Social aspect of camming

[Beawaresweety]

Hello, ACF

I've been thinking of something lately and I'm interested in your (models' and members') opinions.

I've noticed that cam rooms eventually turn into "online porn" rooms more and more.

I respect every model's hustle and if some model considers that beautiful laying with interactive toy inside and sexy moaning to tips is what works best for her, not a problem!

But I'm talking about current situation on cam-sites in general.
A few years ago cam rooms looked more social than now.
I don't know what exactly has been changed but something definitely has.
Maybe models have tried to please their audience because audience started require a porn-style streams. Maybe models have decided to try something new and audience started desiring it and taking this for granted.

But when I visit rooms on cb, I figure out that the most of models don't communicate with users, don't provide any kind of entertainment apart from sexual. And users don't seem so interested in talking either. And it has left me confused.

Actually, I naively assumed that camming was about the perfect combination of "communication&masturbation". But if communication isn't in trend anymore, what's the point of camming? Why don't watch "free" (stolen) porn instead? Isn't it easier?

I'm a model myself but I do support other models here and there. And social rooms seem more appealing to me.
Good-looking girl is fantastic but good-looking girl who knows how to communicate and who can tell some funny stories, even more fantastic, IMO.

What do you all think?
Does communication mean something to you (as for model and as for member)?

If you're a model: Aren't you bored if there is nobody to talk to? Would you like to share a non-sexual parts of your personality with your audience if you knew it'd pay off as well as sharing your sexual part does?

If you're a member: Are you interested in model's personality or do you come to cam-sites for sexual purposes only? Is it a turn-off or a turn-on if there is a hot girl who doesn't talk much but acts sexy? Would you visit a strictly sexual room more than once?

Thanks!

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I think that even without the social aspect watching a cam model still has value in that it's more interactive and with tokens you get a sense of control. It's also a different feeling watching something that you know is happening live than watching a recording.

 

[Astrid_squirts420]

I think there are as many different answers to this as there are models/members.

Some people enjoy the social experience and some do not. Some like the balance, as you have described.

I personally love to chat with my room and hope that they will be fun and interesting with me. Most of the time I have good luck. I get bored easily with a strictly sexual show if it does not stay busy. I am fine only doing sexual stuff if it is going fast and keeping pace. But I cant just sit there with my legs spread and wait.. so I try to switch it up from dancing/teasing to having fun with lights and good conversation and a different topics of interest, sometimes games and prizes etc.

 

[MissAliss515x]

I switch between social and porn. Sometimes, if there is nobody tiping, I sit and talk to them about everything. Then, when I feel like the room is up for it, I start acting more sexual to get tips. I feel I can talk a lot more on Streamate than CB or MFC. SM seems to attract a clientele that is more talkative IMO.

 

[Beawaresweety]

I switch between social and porn. Sometimes, if there is nobody tiping, I sit and talk to them about everything. Then, when I feel like the room is up for it, I start acting more sexual to get tips. I feel I can talk a lot more on Streamate than CB or MFC. SM seems to attract a clientele that is more talkative IMO.

I'm kinda surprised! I know SM is a private-based site. So I thought it'd be much harder to keep audience interested during a public show. Or are you talking about pvts where you spend some time discussing a non-sexual topics with your visitors?

 

[SMuser69]

I'm kinda surprised! I know SM is a private-based site. So I thought it'd be much harder to keep audience interested during a public show. Or are you talking about pvts where you spend some time discussing a non-sexual topics with your visitors?

All members can hide their text from other members keeping conversations somewhat private. I always felt this increased communication because it allow more shy members to communicate in a public forum.

 

[MissAliss515x]

I'm kinda surprised! I know SM is a private-based site. So I thought it'd be much harder to keep audience interested during a public show. Or are you talking about pvts where you spend some time discussing a non-sexual topics with your visitors?

Usually I will repeat the questions asked and answer it. If they don't like it they go. Most of them will switch to normal chat and talk. I send messages only to those who tipped me earlier. I will send 2-3 messages then stop if the client ask for too much without giving.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I'm kinda surprised! I know SM is a private-based site. So I thought it'd be much harder to keep audience interested during a public show. Or are you talking about pvts where you spend some time discussing a non-sexual topics with your visitors?

It varies from model to model. Some do well with a social free chat, others find it impossible to get shows while being talkative. And, yes, lots of guys take us private so they can chat with us without the risk of someone else pulling us into a show. Some also like a little pillow talk after they cum.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

If you're a member: Are you interested in model's personality or do you come to cam-sites for sexual purposes only? Is it a turn-off or a turn-on if there is a hot girl who doesn't talk much but acts sexy? Would you visit a strictly sexual room more than once?

As a member, it's a blend for me with strong emphasis on personality and how well I interact with the model. I enjoy the social aspect of cam rooms. But, at the same time, it's fun to have the tease that leads to other things as well. I actually get bored in rooms which are purely just sexual as I could just hit up RedTube, or other sites and watch non-interactive porn to tug it to.


That being said, I haven't been feeling cam sites all that much of late due to a number of factors. So, recently decided to take a break so I can focus on a few things going on in my personal life. Once I get them knocked out of the way, I'll re-evaluate everyting and come back if I'm feeling up to it. Have met a lot of great models over the years I've been on MFC. Had a lot of great times with those I've had the pleasure to get to know and spend time with. Will miss that aspect of it. Those I told I was taking a break seemed supportive of it, said they understood.

 

[Mila_]

Easy: social rooms are harder to manage than a to-the-point room and it can be less profitable. So why bother.

In my personal experience the optimal customer turn-over you aspire in your room is 3 months. That's how long you want members to stay a regular for. Why? Here is a list of reasons:

1) Most members will tip out of a credit card and 3 months is how long it takes them to burn through their credit. Past the 3 month mark most of them won't be able to tip you again but they will still take up space, expect favorable treatment in your room and might even get upset when you start to give other members priority. Ideally you want them to leave BEFORE they run out of funds so the meltdown when reality sinks in happens in someone else's room. If they stay after they run out of cash and they see you start to give other member's priority many of them will become quite toxic toward you and will even attempt to poison the well in your room, figuring out how to keep members like these from wrecking your room is a career of it's own.

2) Members who tip out of disposable income as opposed to credit cards will go through a courtship phase that will last a couple of months and once they have settled and they feel they got a spot in your room they will learn every little trick in your room and attempt to "hack" it with tokens or fall on tipping patterns that are both unhealthy for the room and annoying for you. Like attempting to triple dip on their tips.

3) The longer members are in your room the bigger the chance they will develop relationships among each other. This sounds great in paper, and I am happy I could provide space for friendships to grow in my room, however... this sometimes backfires in a horrible way when you have a falling out with a member and he decides to make it very public to all of "his friends" friends he met in YOUR room. It creates a lot of stress for the model.

4) Other users... new and random passersby will easily identify who the big guns in the room are after months of them clearing your goals and will simply wait for the big fish to clear every countdown without helping. This makes it so it's very hard to cultivate new regulars, especially high tipping ones.

For all these reasons a to-the-point room with a high customer turnover is the ideal provided the site is getting enough paying traffic... this way every person who tips you is watching you with fresh eyes and is probably also new to the site so he hasn't gotten jaded. If you don't encourage attachment members will simply move along and not make your room their home. The model avoids drama and having to navigate impossible social situations while still making bank.

If you like a room and you find a "home" in it... make sure you TIP THE MODEL the same.. even after months have passed. This way she will be able to keep up her social style.

 

[LilyPink]

I have a theory that people are getting the sociable aspect from streaming sites like twitch instead.

 

[Finchomatic]

As a member, it's a blend for me with strong emphasis on personality and how well I interact with the model. I enjoy the social aspect of cam rooms. But, at the same time, it's fun to have the tease that leads to other things as well. I actually get bored in rooms which are purely just sexual as I could just hit up RedTube, or other sites and watch non-interactive porn to tug it to.


That being said, I haven't been feeling cam sites all that much of late due to a number of factors. So, recently decided to take a break so I can focus on a few things going on in my personal life. Once I get them knocked out of the way, I'll re-evaluate everyting and come back if I'm feeling up to it. Have met a lot of great models over the years I've been on MFC. Had a lot of great times with those I've had the pleasure to get to know and spend time with. Will miss that aspect of it. Those I told I was taking a break seemed supportive of it, said they understood.

I've been trying to take a 'break' for some quite some time now. And I am like you, just not 'feeling it' anymore. The excitement is not what it was when a person first discovered the cam world.
The cam world is fun and all otherwise, but eventually a person has to realize when to walk away. I've been limiting my interactions with many I have made 'online cam friends' with as well a limiting my online time.

I guess it really has to do with a cloud finally lifting after 'real life' events happened and hiding in front of a computer to escape reality is not really healthy.

 

[SMuser69]

I have a theory that people are getting the sociable aspect from streaming sites like twitch instead.

Yes and no. I think Twitch has made is more difficult for 'non-nude' social models because it seems to not stop streamer who gain sub for 'softcore' or 'teasing' perks. But there's always going to be viewers that are looking for full nude or a less limited format of adult cam sites.

Where twitch has the advantage is it's not considered a negative to lurk a twitch stream or feel like you aren't part of a twitch streamers community without being an active participant. Also The money model is different because it's not 'adult' the streamers are more able to use mainstream revenue sources like patreon and paypal on top of twitch subs.

 

[magicalbananas]

"If you're a model: Aren't you bored if there is nobody to talk to? Would you like to share a non-sexual parts of your personality with your audience if you knew it'd pay off as well as sharing your sexual part does?"

I'm very much a social cammer on CB as I'm doing it as a side hussle to my main camming platform which is based around pvts and grps. It works well as it gives me a break from having to act very "porn star like".
I talk to my regulars on CB about how my day is going to my sex life and things and still get tipped. (Being tipped on there isn't really an issue for me as I'm doing it for the company).
I do prefer is some aspects just getting straight to the point, it can be very tiresome if you just want to sit in peace yet you have to keep up a social act

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I guess it really has to do with a cloud finally lifting after 'real life' events happened and hiding in front of a computer to escape reality is not really healthy.

Everyone has their reasons for joining the cam world. Whether to escape reality for a bit, to "scratch an itch" in terms of a fetish or kink, social anxiety, or what have you. As you said, it's knowing when it's time to leave. Many models have retired since I've been on MFC, I know of at least two more who will be retiring in the coming months that I used to be at least a semi-regular in their rooms.

But, when one decides it's time to leave, do so peacably and don't belittle women or other models. At least one such member here went off the deep end and it felt like they joined a cult who were hard set on hating women. I know how much I've spent, time given, etc. and have no regrets on it. Just simply a time for me to take a break, and most likely will eventually move on.

 

[Beawaresweety]

When I do finally leave there will be no announcement. It will be as though my online presence never existed. But simply a candle extinguishing itself.

Sorry for interrupting but I wanted to say that I'd highly appreciate if a regular of mine warned me before leaving. No need to explain anything, just let me know. I'd be fine&I'd appreciate your wish to share this decision with me.

It's very confusing when good members just disappear. I usually start thinking there may be something wrong with me and this thought has affected my cam life a little here and there. Some time later I've learned how to manage it but I still highly appreciate when people let me know. And I'll be happy to see them in my room again when their "real life problems" are solved.
On contrary, I feel kinda awkward when people who were a good regulars but who didn't bother to notify me about their leaving, come back to my room like they haven't disappeared for a long time. I can't call it a pleasant experience because of some unexpected awkwardness.

So if you are a regular in some rooms, it might be nice of you to let models know about your decision.

Just my two cents.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Sorry for interrupting but I wanted to say that I'd highly appreciate if a regular of mine warned me before leaving. No need to explain anything, just let me know. I'd be fine&I'd appreciate your wish to share this decision with me.

It's very confusing when good members just disappear. I usually start thinking there may be something wrong with me and this thought has affected my cam life a little here and there. Some time later I've learned how to manage it but I still highly appreciate when people let me know. And I'll be happy to see them in my room again when their "real life problems" are solved.
On contrary, I feel kinda awkward when people who were a good regulars but who didn't bother to notify me about their leaving, come back to my room like they haven't disappeared for a long time. I can't call it a pleasant experience because of some unexpected awkwardness.

So if you are a regular in some rooms, it might be nice of you to let models know about your decision.

Just my two cents.

Yep, thus why I told some I was taking a break. To me, it is common courtesy. No different than telling a friend you will be unavailable for a while due to needing to focus on a few things.

I was told by a couple of models they still wanted to stay in contact, so we'll see how that works out. For the most part, I always kept offline communication to a minimum out of respect for their time.

 

[JustMilfnAround]

Easy: social rooms are harder to manage than a to-the-point room and it can be less profitable. So why bother.

3) The longer members are in your room the bigger the chance they will develop relationships among each other. This sounds great in paper, and I am happy I could provide space for friendships to grow in my room, however... this sometimes backfires in a horrible way when you have a falling out with a member and he decides to make it very public to all of "his friends" friends he met in YOUR room. It creates a lot of stress for the model.

4) Other users... new and random passersby will easily identify who the big guns in the room are after months of them clearing your goals and will simply wait for the big fish to clear every countdown without helping. This makes it so it's very hard to cultivate new regulars, especially high tipping ones.

For all these reasons a to-the-point room with a high customer turnover is the ideal provided the site is getting enough paying traffic... this way every person who tips you is watching you with fresh eyes and is probably also new to the site so he hasn't gotten jaded. If you don't encourage attachment members will simply move along and not make your room their home. The model avoids drama and having to navigate impossible social situations while still making bank.

This has always been an issue in my room. I'm very social and like to talk to the guys but I am getting burnt out on it. It's always been my hustle and has worked out okay for keeping more long term regulars (3-4 years some of them!), but I am emotionally drained after just a few hours online of having to just talk to them constantly. When I moved to CB in March it's just gotten worse. #3 has happened recently and it was a very public chastising more than a fall out and a good portion of my regulars haven't returned. (A mod did something totally out of line and I called him out on it semi-politely but it made things uncomfortable for sure). My other mod even left for a few weeks because he got burnt out on having to "entertain" everyone. I've noticed that it is really hurting my income. Once the regs disappeared my income started to go back up.

And #4 for sure! UGH! This is the most frustrating because I need their tips, love to hit goals but you hit the nail on the head with this one.

I'm going to have to learn to change my style and start being more to the point after 4 years of being the "omg you are awesome to talk to" chick.

 

[Mila_]

Sorry for interrupting but I wanted to say that I'd highly appreciate if a regular of mine warned me before leaving. No need to explain anything, just let me know. I'd be fine&I'd appreciate your wish to share this decision with me.

It's very confusing when good members just disappear. I usually start thinking there may be something wrong with me and this thought has affected my cam life a little here and there. Some time later I've learned how to manage it but I still highly appreciate when people let me know. And I'll be happy to see them in my room again when their "real life problems" are solved.
On contrary, I feel kinda awkward when people who were a good regulars but who didn't bother to notify me about their leaving, come back to my room like they haven't disappeared for a long time. I can't call it a pleasant experience because of some unexpected awkwardness.

So if you are a regular in some rooms, it might be nice of you to let models know about your decision.

Just my two cents.

I actually prefer members NOT to tell me anything and just stop showing up (unless it's someone who has been consistent for literally years). That way when they come back we can all pretend they never left. Otherwise it feels to me like they are justifying the absence like my room was an obligation and obligation is the death of joy. Amazing the diversity in headspace from one model to another

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I actually prefer members NOT to tell me anything and just stop showing up (unless it's someone who has been consistent for literally years). That way when they come back we can all pretend they never left. Otherwise it feels to me like they are justifying the absence like my room was an obligation and obligation is the death of joy. Amazing the diversity in headspace from one model to another

That is interesting. I definitely prefer a heads up. I worry about them.. especially a few ppl I know w illnesses. I've lost enough regs to death's now I just.. worry.

Yesterday a lovely semi reg came and told me he was deploying and how long for. I super appreciated that.. but he did it cos he'd heard me say I like to know when ppl are going away so I dont worry....

So I guess moral is... listen to ur models preference?

 

[Finchomatic]

I actually prefer members NOT to tell me anything and just stop showing up (unless it's someone who has been consistent for literally years). That way when they come back we can all pretend they never left. Otherwise it feels to me like they are justifying the absence like my room was an obligation and obligation is the death of joy. Amazing the diversity in headspace from one model to another

Exactly, everyone is different.
To be honest, (and this is just my opinion) emotional attachments don't belong on a cam site regardless of people knowing each other in whatever way they do. Emotional attachments over time cause issues for all parties involved. I learned the hard way and now distance myself. It's why I despise mods who act like white knights (A debate for another time) . In the end it is all just business and should remain that way.

 

[Sevrin]

As someone who's been watching cams on and off for 13-ish years, and been a member here for not quite as many, but still a lot of years, I'm heartened that, as my body grows old and infirm, one thing remains constant: threads about how camming used to be more to people's liking. It's kind of like how America "used to be great". I've always liked chatting with models, and I don't find it any harder to find someone to chat with now than I did then. The main reason I don't hang around as much as I used to is that I no longer want to spend money on this luxury like I did, and I don't want to leech.

I've not been paying too close attention for like 3 or 4 years to MFC, my primary cam fix site for the past 9 years, since my previous main site shut down, but when I returned recently, I didn't find that much had changed in terms of what went on in rooms. The technology has changed, what with video improvements and the now common Lovense vibrators and models on smartphones selling Snapchat and more likely to have recorded content to sell, but there have always been and are now, rooms where models give it all away in free, scam, do nothing, and yes, spend their whole shifts completely dressed with regulars. And whatever they're doing, there have been people complaining about it. You can read back.

One thing that does change, at least for a lot of us, over time, is our preference for connection over, or in addition to quick erotic stimulus. That's just part of getting older. We want what we want, and if we're not getting the thing we want as readily, we imagine that it's the world that's changed. If you're a coal miner or auto worker looking for steady, fat paycheck, that may be true, but if you're on a cam site looking for fulfillment, meh, I don't think so.

TL;DR: Nostalgic bullshit

Now if you'll pardon me, I need to go tend to the dry skin on my feet, something that really has changed over time.

 

[Beawaresweety]

Exactly, everyone is different.
To be honest, (and this is just my opinion) emotional attachments don't belong on a cam site regardless of people knowing each other in whatever way they do. Emotional attachments over time cause issues for all parties involved. I learned the hard way and now distance myself. It's why I despise mods who act like white knights (A debate for another time) . In the end it is all just business and should remain that way.

Surely, everyone is different. But since it's business, when a good regular disappears, I personally prefer to know that problem isn't in me, i.e. in my service. It has nothing to do with emotional attachments.
Just an example. When you delete an app, you get the last notification, "We're sorry to see you go, tell us what happened". And there are a few options, you've been offered to click and choose. I highly doubt the companies are truly sorry to see me go But they need a statistics at some point. So do I.
I want to know it isn't related to the service I've been providing lately because I tend to try new and to change my tactics with time.
That's simple.
Of course, any model has the right to give zero fucks about what people think and why they leave, and if it actually works for someone, not a problem!
To each their own. And I choose to be aware of everything that may affect my business, i.e. my earnings.

 

[Beawaresweety]

As someone who's been watching cams on and off for 13-ish years, and been a member here for not quite as many, but still a lot of years, I'm heartened that, as my body grows old and infirm, one thing remains constant: threads about how camming used to be more to people's liking. It's kind of like how America "used to be great". I've always liked chatting with models, and I don't find it any harder to find someone to chat with now than I did then. The main reason I don't hang around as much as I used to is that I no longer want to spend money on this luxury like I did, and I don't want to leech.

I've not been paying too close attention for like 3 or 4 years to MFC, my primary cam fix site for the past 9 years, since my previous main site shut down, but when I returned recently, I didn't find that much had changed in terms of what went on in rooms. The technology has changed, what with video improvements and the now common Lovense vibrators and models on smartphones selling Snapchat and more likely to have recorded content to sell, but there have always been and are now, rooms where models give it all away in free, scam, do nothing, and yes, spend their whole shifts completely dressed with regulars. And whatever they're doing, there have been people complaining about it. You can read back.

One thing that does change, at least for a lot of us, over time, is our preference for connection over, or in addition to quick erotic stimulus. That's just part of getting older. We want what we want, and if we're not getting the thing we want as readily, we imagine that it's the world that's changed. If you're a coal miner or auto worker looking for steady, fat paycheck, that may be true, but if you're on a cam site looking for fulfillment, meh, I don't think so.

TL;DR: Nostalgic bullshit

Now if you'll pardon me, I need to go tend to the dry skin on my feet, something that really has changed over time.

I appreciate your opinion and thanks for the link!

But something has changed, IMHO. Yeah, it may be not so hard to find a model to talk to but it's pretty hard to find a member who wants a full interaction, i.e. the mix of chit-chat and erotic stuff altogether.

Needless to say, demands for erotic stuff have been changed too. People have seen literally EVERYTHING on the Internet.
You can surprise your audience only if you've got three boobs or eleven fingers (better if you use additional one in a sexy way as well, lol).

And so many members are being confused when you tell them you don't do such and such.

Some get annoyed, some get shocked, kinda "I thought every model would offer it nowadays".

And the truth is... members have a choice. Too many choices since there are much more models than before. And tomorrow there will be even more models than today. Which is good, I guess. Competition is a part of game.

But my conclusions about changes are based on things I've been asked to perform lately and on common feeling gotten from all the latest communications with my new-ish (or old but with new wishes) audience.

So maybe nothing has changed from your perspective and I can get that. But there IS something new from my perspective.

Maybe old members haven't been changed, maybe even whole audience hasn't been changed extremely but wishes and demands have been changed.

And it'll be changed one billion more times since now.
And I can't predict where it goes to.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I appreciate your opinion and thanks for the link!

But something has changed, IMHO. Yeah, it may be not so hard to find a model to talk to but it's pretty hard to find a member who wants a full interaction, i.e. the mix of chit-chat and erotic stuff altogether.

Needless to say, demands for erotic stuff have been changed too. People have seen literally EVERYTHING on the Internet.
You can surprise your audience only if you've got three boobs or eleven fingers (better if you use additional one in a sexy way as well, lol).

And so many members are being confused when you tell them you don't do such and such.

Some get annoyed, some get shocked, kinda "I thought every model would offer it nowadays".

And the truth is... members have a choice. Too many choices since there are much more models than before. And tomorrow there will be even more models than today. Which is good, I guess. Competition is a part of game.

But my conclusions about changes are based on things I've been asked to perform lately and on common feeling gotten from all the latest communications with my new-ish (or old but with new wishes) audience.

So maybe nothing has changed from your perspective and I can get that. But there IS something new from my perspective.

Maybe old members haven't been changed, maybe even whole audience hasn't been changed extremely but wishes and demands have been changed.

And it'll be changed one billion more times since now.
And I can't predict where it goes to.

Maybe it's my own perception. But, in the rooms I've been in on MFC, it seemed like a majority of the active members there wanted a blend of chit-chat and erotica. Admittedly, I don't have the knowledge of what they've been asking for. Nor do I have the knowledge of who's tipping, and who isn't. That's all behind the scenes, each model knows of her own room.

I'm glad that each model is different, and typically have different things to offer. Same with limitations of what they do. Self-respect goes a long way in my book.

Like you mentioned, requests have changed. I've heard this from a few different models over the years. At least one I know has said that she refuses to do certain things that some have started asking for. She didn't elaborate too much on what said requests are, and I didn't want to ask since I felt it wasn't important to the discussion. But, in a way, it sounded like maybe it's due in part to a slight change in the general age of newer members. A couple of models I know have stated something similar. If you're seeing more tenured members starting to have similar requests, perhaps it's brought on by things they've seen/heard requested?

 

[Mila_]

Surely, everyone is different. But since it's business, when a good regular disappears, I personally prefer to know that problem isn't in me, i.e. in my service. It has nothing to do with emotional attachments.
Just an example. When you delete an app, you get the last notification, "We're sorry to see you go, tell us what happened". And there are a few options, you've been offered to click and choose. I highly doubt the companies are truly sorry to see me go But they need a statistics at some point. So do I.
I want to know it isn't related to the service I've been providing lately because I tend to try new and to change my tactics with time.
That's simple.
Of course, any model has the right to give zero fucks about what people think and why they leave, and if it actually works for someone, not a problem!
To each their own. And I choose to be aware of everything that may affect my business, i.e. my earnings.

Well... if it’s worth anything members leave for any number of reasons and 99% of the time it will have little to do with you or your show. Sometimes they will run out of money and will be shy to participate the way they used to without tipping. Sometimes they get a girlfriend and stop visiting out of respect for her. And on other occasions they find a new model that they are more attracted to out of novelty. Now... if you don’t make a big deal out of their absence some of these members will come back. The guy who ran out of money gets a job! The one with the girlfriend splits up or gets permission. The novelty of the new shiny girl wears off and he finds his way back to your room. This happens because he doesn’t feel like you are watching him too closely or like he has to justify himself to you or the social circle in your room. However if he feels pressured and makes up an excuse (many members won’t tell you the /real/ reasons) he feels like he needs to also justify his coming back which creates tension and awkwardness. I aim to be a refuge from stress and that includes the stress of expectations. And in my experience when a good regular leaves because he is dissatisfied it’s usually because of some perceived slight.. less consistent members can leave because of a delay in delivery of content or goods and they will usually make it known and you can talk it out with them if you want

 

[Beawaresweety]

Well... if it’s worth anything members leave for any number of reasons and 99% of the time it will have little to do with you or your show. Sometimes they will run out of money and will be shy to participate the way they used to without tipping. Sometimes they get a girlfriend and stop visiting out of respect for her. And on other occasions they find a new model that they are more attracted to out of novelty. Now... if you don’t make a big deal out of their absence some of these members will come back. The guy who ran out of money gets a job! The one with the girlfriend splits up or gets permission. The novelty of the new shiny girl wears off and he finds his way back to your room. This happens because he doesn’t feel like you are watching him too closely or like he has to justify himself to you or the social circle in your room. However if he feels pressured and makes up an excuse (many members won’t tell you the /real/ reasons) he feels like he needs to also justify his coming back which creates tension and awkwardness. I aim to be a refuge from stress and that includes the stress of expectations. And in my experience when a good regular leaves because he is dissatisfied it’s usually because of some perceived slight.. less consistent members can leave because of a delay in delivery of content or goods and they will usually make it known and you can talk it out with them if you want

Mila, thank you and your post definitely makes some sense!
Just a real example: I've had a very good regular who ran out of money once and notified me that he couldn't afford my (and everyone else's in this industry) service anymore. I thanked him for letting me know, wished him to have a good luck with stabilizing his financial situation and said, "I'll be happy to see you in my room whenever you feel like it and whenever you're able to afford it again". He thanked me for my sweet words and we had stopped communicating for three months (Though, he had purchased the permanent access to my Snapchat earlier so he was seeing my posts time from time but I haven't paid any personal attention to him anymore).
And finally, he came back! His financial situation is fine now and he has been supporting my streams lately as much as before.

He could leave without letting me know and I personally would feel weird if he fell out of nowhere 3 months later.

I really don't care about /real/ reason. He might avoid sharing the details about financial issues and it still would have been fine because he notified me about leaving. And I think it's nice when a very good regulars let me know.

Though, I totally respect your right to build up your business communications any way you like! But, as I said before, to each their own.

 

[Beawaresweety]

If you're seeing more tenured members starting to have similar requests, perhaps it's brought on by things they've seen/heard requested?

I think they simply have seen it fulfilled in other rooms and not necessarily have seen/heard requested.
They've seen something and they started thinking it'd be fine to request. Requests are ok but cheeky demands and unrealistic expectations at the point where all models must fulfill this specific yet somehow at the current moment popular request aren't ok.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I think they simply have seen it fulfilled in other rooms and not necessarily have seen/heard requested.
They've seen something and they started thinking it'd be fine to request. Requests are ok but cheeky demands and unrealistic expectations at the point where all models must fulfill this specific yet somehow at the current moment popular request aren't ok.

Thanks, and I agree it is okay to inquire. But, if a model says "No", then leave it at that.

Admittedly, I have joked with a model on something, and it's now a running joke between us. It's kept respectful, and we both know each other's boundaries.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Surely, everyone is different. But since it's business, when a good regular disappears, I personally prefer to know that problem isn't in me, i.e. in my service. It has nothing to do with emotional attachments.
Just an example. When you delete an app, you get the last notification, "We're sorry to see you go, tell us what happened". And there are a few options, you've been offered to click and choose. I highly doubt the companies are truly sorry to see me go But they need a statistics at some point. So do I.
I want to know it isn't related to the service I've been providing lately because I tend to try new and to change my tactics with time.
That's simple.
Of course, any model has the right to give zero fucks about what people think and why they leave, and if it actually works for someone, not a problem!
To each their own. And I choose to be aware of everything that may affect my business, i.e. my earnings.

OK but like.... People die. For all any model knows, a regular could be visiting as a form of escape from a terminal illness, and it advances quicker than they expected. Or they have a heart attack, or a stroke, wind up in a car crash, a natural disaster happens, if they're in the US they could get caught up in a mass shooting.... They can't really give us a heads up that they're about to die unexpectedly. Is it common? Probably not. Does it happen? Certainly. Some models have been contacted by a deceased member's spouse, friend, or relative, but not everyone has someone that close to them.

Also, maybe I'm weird, but I refuse to tell apps why I'm deleting them. Mind ya business, nosy app (it's cause my phone is full, leave me alone).