Slow on the uptake (Childish Behaivor)

[camstory]

I was talking with a friend about the reasons most models muted guest, and basics, IMO. It was only as I was telling her of the propensity for which non-prem members have for childish and mean behavior, that I realized why that is to a great extent. I am nothing if not slow on the uptake, - it now seems obvious to me that many of the basics, and guest that act so child like, are in fact children. I am not so sure why it had not occurred to me before, that any one with access to a computer with unrestricted internet could create a basic account, or enter mfc as a guest. I mean I knew that there was much more likelihood for a non-prem member to act as if he was 13 years old, but had never given any thought as to why.

Now confident that it is often, or fairly often the case, that, "Show your pussy bitch", is the adolescent expression of an adolescent, I wonder if it wouldn't make sense for MFC to regulate this aspect better? This can be done with some degree of success, as I recently had to provide a bit of personal info to receive a free gift offered by Marlboro/Philip Morris USA. After the info was processed, the tobacco company still did not have conclusive evidence to assure I was indeed of smoking age, so they asked me to answer a question of multiple choice. This question was built around a bit more personal info, and of the four answers one was obviously the only choice, and on answer it correctly, I was let through.

My concern is not for the overly randy, socially unmannered 13 year old who sneaks on to the site. (For some who have no proper education of such things, there might be as much that is beneficial, as that which is not.) No my concern is with the adult members, and models who have to at times deal with the little cretins. And I suppose there is a bit of concern for the basics, and guest who are muted because of their fellow.... No scratch that last bit, fuck em, if they wish to be heard they can sign up and evolve into real people, - too many freetards as is.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Shaun__]

Most adult males I know still act like 13 year old boys, and they are in there 40s and 50s. Age and maturity are not directly related.

 

[Jupiter551]

Yeah I don't really fancy being surrounded by a pack of 13 year olds jerking off, but how would a multiple choice question help?

 

[schlmoe]

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts? I am in shock that I got your point, and I only had to read your post one time! Congratulations!

 

[inkydoo]

As a start, it seems like MFC could regulate guests by limiting the amount of time they can interact with the site. Say maybe 10-15 minutes, after which a guest's IP Address is blocked for some period of time, maybe 45-60 minutes, before they can get access to the site again. That would at least require them to sign up as basics if they want to be annoying on a constant basis, but then they can be identified and banned as necessary rather then making it a game of guest whack-a-mole.

I know there would be ways for the clever to defeat it, but it would be a start.
I know that prems sometimes like to hang out as guests, so you might want to build a mechanism for exceptions (like not turning on blocking if you've seen a prem login from that IP address in the last 12-24 hours, or have some sort of "premium guest" mode that ignores the restrictions)

Admittedly, this doesn't specifically target the minors out there, but it does target the childish, regardless of age.

 

[Jayne_Black]

You made your point very well! A few things to consider from my perspective:

1)The "show ass bitch" type of guest is really only a minor nuisance. If you are going to be a model you have to have a thick skin because you will hear things like that and a lot worse.

2)Having the guests in the room, whether muted or not, adds to the room count. This can be important for some of the lower camscore models trying to get noticed, because a lot of viewers sort by "most popular room" rather than camscore.

3)Sometimes models log in as guests to perv on their favorite MFC coworkers so as not to detract attention from the show by having another model in the room.

4)From what I understand about banning, it goes by IP as well as name, I might be wrong here (I often am), but that led me to believe that if you ban a specific guest, even if they came back as a basic or a prem, they would still be banned.

I also agree with the statement that there are a lot of grown men that act like 13 year olds. So eh...there's not much that can really be done about that.

 

[Jessi]

If you want to protect the models from the bascis/guests you need only mute them
If MFC actually enforced it's rules, you wouldn't need to worry about stopping underage losers from seeing "innapropriate content"
But since models already do the former and MFC disregards the latter, it really doesnt seem to matter anymore.

 

[ThePioneer]

While I'm sure that some of it's due to teens getting on the site, I think the childish behavior is more of a result of anonymity. Being a premium is similar to living in a small town. Premiums spend a lot of time, money, effort, etc. in developing their identity in a relatively small social circle. They aren't as likely to go around saying "show ass bitch" because people are going to recognize their name and think less of them (Although, there are always going to be people that will act childish given the anonymous nature of the internet).

Guests/Basics on the other hand are urban dwellers. They can go around saying whatever rude comments they want because they are lost in a sea of other people. They never really develop an identity. As already mentioned it is easy to log in as a guest or make a premium account. If they get banned they move on to the next person without even giving it a thought.

If you have ever lived in a major city you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I see it all the time, but most commonly when I go out with friends at night. People will make dumb/rude remarks to others, especially to women, simply because they know that they will probably never see that person again in their life.

This isn't just a problem with MFC, it's the nature of the internet, you see it in the form of forum trolls and so forth. The only way to truly stop this sort of behavior would be to require internet IDs that link your actions on the internet to an actual person and not just an IP address (in my opinion of course).

 

[Jupiter551]

While I'm sure that some of it's due to teens getting on the site, I think the childish behavior is more of a result of anonymity. Being a premium is similar to living in a small town. Premiums spend a lot of time, money, effort, etc. in developing their identity in a relatively small social circle. They aren't as likely to go around saying "show ass bitch" because people are going to recognize their name and think less of them (Although, there are always going to be people that will act childish given the anonymous nature of the internet).

Guests/Basics on the other hand are urban dwellers. They can go around saying whatever rude comments they want because they are lost in a sea of other people. They never really develop an identity. As already mentioned it is easy to log in as a guest or make a premium account. If they get banned they move on to the next person without even giving it a thought.

If you have ever lived in a major city you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I see it all the time, but most commonly when I go out with friends at night. People will make dumb/rude remarks to others, especially to women, simply because they know that they will probably never see that person again in their life.

This isn't just a problem with MFC, it's the nature of the internet, you see it in the form of forum trolls and so forth. The only way to truly stop this sort of behavior would be to require internet IDs that link your actions on the internet to an actual person and not just an IP address (in my opinion of course).

That's even sadder, that people are such dickwads when they think they can be. I hate people.

 

[Shaun__]

While I'm sure that some of it's due to teens getting on the site, I think the childish behavior is more of a result of anonymity. Being a premium is similar to living in a small town. Premiums spend a lot of time, money, effort, etc. in developing their identity in a relatively small social circle. They aren't as likely to go around saying "show ass bitch" because people are going to recognize their name and think less of them (Although, there are always going to be people that will act childish given the anonymous nature of the internet).

Guests/Basics on the other hand are urban dwellers. They can go around saying whatever rude comments they want because they are lost in a sea of other people. They never really develop an identity. As already mentioned it is easy to log in as a guest or make a premium account. If they get banned they move on to the next person without even giving it a thought.

If you have ever lived in a major city you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I see it all the time, but most commonly when I go out with friends at night. People will make dumb/rude remarks to others, especially to women, simply because they know that they will probably never see that person again in their life.

This isn't just a problem with MFC, it's the nature of the internet, you see it in the form of forum trolls and so forth. The only way to truly stop this sort of behavior would be to require internet IDs that link your actions on the internet to an actual person and not just an IP address (in my opinion of course).

That's even sadder, that people are such dickwads when they think they can be. I hate people.

I am people. Why U hate me?

 

[StacyMoore]

While I'm sure that some of it's due to teens getting on the site, I think the childish behavior is more of a result of anonymity. Being a premium is similar to living in a small town. Premiums spend a lot of time, money, effort, etc. in developing their identity in a relatively small social circle. They aren't as likely to go around saying "show ass bitch" because people are going to recognize their name and think less of them (Although, there are always going to be people that will act childish given the anonymous nature of the internet).

Guests/Basics on the other hand are urban dwellers. They can go around saying whatever rude comments they want because they are lost in a sea of other people. They never really develop an identity. As already mentioned it is easy to log in as a guest or make a premium account. If they get banned they move on to the next person without even giving it a thought.

If you have ever lived in a major city you will know exactly what I'm talking about. I see it all the time, but most commonly when I go out with friends at night. People will make dumb/rude remarks to others, especially to women, simply because they know that they will probably never see that person again in their life.

This isn't just a problem with MFC, it's the nature of the internet, you see it in the form of forum trolls and so forth. The only way to truly stop this sort of behavior would be to require internet IDs that link your actions on the internet to an actual person and not just an IP address (in my opinion of course).

That's even sadder, that people are such dickwads when they think they can be. I hate people.

I am people. Why U hate me?

We no hate you♥♥♥ ;-)

 

[Jupiter551]

Not all people, just the behaviour of peoplekind.

 

[camstory]

Most adult males I know still act like 13 year old boys, and they are in there 40s and 50s. Age and maturity are not directly related.

Yes I absolutely agree, there are many adult men who still behave as if they are in middle school. On the other hand, just because there are many examples of immature male behavior among adult males, I don't think you can say there is no relationship between age and maturity, Or I would not anyway.

 

[camstory]

Premiums spend a lot of time, money, effort, etc. in developing their identity in a relatively small social circle. They aren't as likely to go around saying "show ass bitch" because people are going to recognize their name and think less of them

Yes I agree that this accounts for most of the difference in the bad behavior of Premiums vs. guest/basics.

I guess I was mostly thinking of the times I was surprised, after scolding a basic, or guest, about their bad manors, and not getting the response I would expect from an immature male adult, (aka douche). It was like the proverbial thought bubble popped up with, "Oh now it makes sense" when I allowed that these non-responses, jump room, or even apologetic reactions to my scolding, might just be youngsters, caught running around the pool, so to speak.

I suppose our best tool in combating the rude, obscene, and nasty behavior is to apply a 100% non tolerances policy, while trying to not get so concerned with it that our actions reward those who find pleasure in upsetting others. I just think if there is any way in which some of this type of thing can be culled away, we would be that much better off.

 

[camstory]

I'm sorry, I know I am triple posting here. I had tried to get this onto the last, but time ran out on edit.

I hate the abuse people do to others. I especial hate the abuse I see against someone, who has made them self as vulnerable, as one does by camming. I understand that this comes with the job, and that part of making it as a cam model, is developing that thick skin. That does not mean that I will ever accept mean behavior, as simply something we must live with, nor does it mean that I necessarily think it is a good thing, for a young lady to have to develop that thick skin. :twocents-02cents:

PS. I have not been at MFC for long, (just under a year) but it seems to me that this has gotten a little better in recent months? It may be by chance, or because I have found rooms to frequent, that for what ever reason, draw less abuse, - I'm not sure. What I fear, is that this is now only my perception, having developed a thicker skin myself, and having grown indifferent to things one should never be indifferent to.

 

[SoTxBob]

That's even sadder, that people are such dickwads when they think they can be. I hate people.

Animals are the better choice Jup.. Thats why I prefer my furry critters over the 2 legged ones much of the time. :-D

 

[Jupiter551]

That's even sadder, that people are such dickwads when they think they can be. I hate people.

Animals are the better choice Jup.. Thats why I prefer my furry critters over the 2 legged ones much of the time. :-D

Agree 100%

 

[Nordling]

I'm sorry, I know I am triple posting here. I had tried to get this onto the last, but time ran out on edit.

I hate the abuse people do to others. I especial hate the abuse I see against someone, who has made them self as vulnerable, as one does by camming. I understand that this comes with the job, and that part of making it as a cam model, is developing that thick skin. That does not mean that I will ever accept mean behavior, as simply something we must live with, nor does it mean that I necessarily think it is a good thing, for a young lady to have to develop that thick skin. :twocents-02cents:

PS. I have not been at MFC for long, (just under a year) but it seems to me that this has gotten a little better in recent months? It may be by chance, or because I have found rooms to frequent, that for what ever reason, draw less abuse, - I'm not sure. What I fear, is that this is now only my perception, having developed a thicker skin myself, and having grown indifferent to things one should never be indifferent to.

I doubt it's gotten better. In my case, I won't hang out in a room where complete dickwads are tolerated. If you have done that, even as an unconscious tendency, you probably find yourself more and more in better-behaved rooms.

One exception is the case of a room where the model loves to bait the trolls and makes it into a game. Good for a few laughs now and then, if it isn't what the room is about.

 

[camstory]

That's even sadder, that people are such dickwads when they think they can be. I hate people.

Animals are the better choice Jup.. Thats why I prefer my furry critters over the 2 legged ones much of the time. :-D

Thought this was interesting. From the profile of SirWanksaBit, "Pets: yes; dogs often make better people, than people do."

 

[Alana Cruise]

I don't care about rude members but I don't like the idea of knowing a 13year old boy is watching me masturbate. Yes MFC doesn't enforce rules but total nudity is allowed in free chat. I don't like that just anyone can log into free chat. So, how difficult could it be to have some sort of age verification? For me, I am only doing cum shows in group or private now due to that possibility and I don't want to preform for freeloaders. I allow guest and basics to chat until they show they can't act right and then I mute them. I have found a few basics to be a lot of fun and some go premium. Personally I would prefer as a member to view the site before purchasing tokens; so, I give them a chance.

 

[Jupiter551]

I don't care about rude members but I don't like the idea of knowing a 13year old boy is watching me masturbate. Yes MFC doesn't enforce rules but total nudity is allowed in free chat. I don't like that just anyone can log into free chat. So, how difficult could it be to have some sort of age verification? For me, I am only doing cum shows in group or private now due to that possibility and I don't want to preform for freeloaders. I allow guest and basics to chat until they show they can't act right and then I mute them. I have found a few basics to be a lot of fun and some go premium. Personally I would prefer as a member to view the site before purchasing tokens; so, I give them a chance.

Yeah I agree, but the issue I think is finding an age verification system that actually works. Obviously anyone can click a link that says "Enter" or "I agree". Having a credit card is a more effective way of verifying age but it would drive away a lot of legitimate traffic who don't want to share their details with some random porn site, or think it's a scam and they'll be charged, or just can't be bothered typing anything in right now (they might feel differently once pussy is in their face).

I think that's the crux of the issue; MFC's "gimmick" if you like, is attracting a lot of traffic, some of whom will spend money. Invasive age verification procedures would destroy this. From a business angle, they're only going to do that if they're forced to by law.

 

[inkydoo]

Having a credit card is a more effective way of verifying age but it would drive away a lot of legitimate traffic who don't want to share their details with some random porn site, or think it's a scam and they'll be charged, or just can't be bothered typing anything in right now (they might feel differently once pussy is in their face).

With the availability of pre-paid credit cards (or gift cards) that you can buy with cash, having a CC isn't a particularly good way to demonstrate age either. There's certainly no age limit on using them (I know people who give them as gifts to minors), but I don't really think there's an age limit on buying them either.

Just in case people don't remember, kids have managed to acquire pornography and other sexual materials since long before the World Wide Web came along. I had plenty of friends growing up who had adult magazines (ranging from classier Playboy and Penthouse to trashier things whose names I don't really recall) they got from older siblings or other male relatives, either directly or by "borrowing" them. And if wasn't that, it was the swimsuit edition of SI or the Victoria's Secret catalog, or even the Sear's catalog. Curiosity about the female body sexuality is hard-wired into the brains of most adolescent males (except the ones who have a hard-wired curiosity about the male body).

And while it may make models uncomfortable, I'd rather a teenage boy watch a real woman pleasure herself on MFC than get his ideas of what pleases a woman from much of the porn they put out these days (not that there isn't some acting on MFC, but it's rarely close to the stuff you see women "enjoying" in a lot of porn). I just ask that they shut up and/or treat the models with respect while they're there (If I were in that situation (as a teen), I'd lurk in total silence, lest someone figure me out and put a stop to it).

 

[Jessi]

I know that some sites and services don't allow prepaid credit cards, so that makes it a little easier. But MFC will never give up that insanely huge traffic flow.

 

[missmeowmixx]

Just in case people don't remember, kids have managed to acquire pornography and other sexual materials since long before the World Wide Web came along. I had plenty of friends growing up who had adult magazines (ranging from classier Playboy and Penthouse to trashier things whose names I don't really recall) they got from older siblings or other male relatives, either directly or by "borrowing" them. And if wasn't
that, it was the swimsuit edition of SI or the Victoria's Secret catalog, or even the Sear's catalog. Curiosity about the female body sexuality is hard-wired into the brains of most
adolescent males (except the ones who have a hard-wired curiosity about the male body).

And while it may make models uncomfortable, I'd rather a teenage boy watch a real
woman pleasure herself on MFC than get his ideas of what pleases a woman from much
of the porn they put out these days (not that there isn't some acting on MFC, but it's
rarely close to the stuff you see women "enjoying" in a lot of porn). I just ask that they
shut up and/or treat the models with respect while they're there (If I were in that
situation (as a teen), I'd lurk in total silence, lest someone figure me out and put a stop
to it).

well said.

I looked at lots of porn when I was 13. it was all total shit hahah.

Its up to us as cam models to teach these kids (and grownups too) how to be respectful of women... and what real bodies are like. porno certainly won't. a lot of times they are legitimately clueless.

this is also why I get a bit angsty about plastic bodies. people go into the real world and expect ppl to look like that!! and expect it of themselves too. alas.....