Serious member advice to models

[Maniac]

In no partucular order, below is some of the advice I have sent to models over the years. Suggest other members add to it, and models here critically tear this advice apart to find what is useful/ practical to their situations.

It is all about seduction, getting us to spend. You are pretty enough to do ok even without nude shows or teasing. For that it becomes about friendship, so make sure you listen and socialise. It will take time. Showing a little is part of being open to more in pvt. Always keep whatever you do fun.
You are beautiful enough to play here how you please. The appeal to us is the seduction that comes with your company. This is as much about how you communicate, as anything you choose to show.

For normal shows here, my suggestions to those I like for getting pvt are below.
1. Take Control. If you have trouble best to temporarily ban rather than to ignore the trouble maker. Be polite but assertive, leading your room.
2. You must try to acknowledge all your rooms. Be poilte to all you can
3. Pvt leads to pvt, it's like advertising. (called this rule 1 sometimes too :lol: )
4. Look your best always, after that relax....be confident.
5. All who stay in your room like you in some way...otherwise they would be elsewhere.
6. Always chat leading to pvt (or to goals).
7. Keep pms to a minimum.
8. All your users have a pvt fantasy, when they trust that you can share that, they want pvt.
9. For a pvt start quickly unless otherwise directed.
10. Communication is critical at all times here.
11. Always keep the pvt or group experience flowing, make your best guess what is wanted if you are unsure.
12. Saying no is ok. Decide quickly.
13. Tease to the fantasy (8), never take it too far.
14. Try to have fun, most enjoy watching what you like doing most.
15. Flirt, hair and body touching are critical to being taken. Relaxing and enjoying your guys is the most natural way.
16. Be creative, experiment a bit.

For tease on cam.
- Slow breathing, slow moves down. Hottest teases on cam are always slower.
- Breath control shows you have body control too.
- Remember relaxed is confident, you want us all burning for you.
- Don't forget about the lounges, someone can always be watching. lounges are a members only room, we can link to video feeds of room in freechat
- Keep us talking about you.

Liked to finish and advice on this note, "Kisses, have fun and continue to be adventurous."

On a forum such as this or one on one I would add about user accounts for models, the power of competition for attention in spending, and some notes on personal security. I would also advise strongly other model advice where you can find it, members will never know the more technical concerns involved.

One area where member advice might be especially useful is in how to encourage a basic to become premium, a new premium member to become a regular. I suspect it is through curosity mainly, wanting to know how much fun premiums really have when on.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

There's nothing worse than a know-it-all, that doesn't know it all. Unless you are a model and someone ASKS for your advice, you are in absolutely no position to give it just because you sit on the other side of the screen. After reading your post, I see many flaws in your so-called advice, but I'll let another model tear it apart to correct you. I don't have the patince to deal with someone so arrogant.

 

[Loslonelyboy]

You're a brave man Maniac! Good luck buddy! :thumbleft:

 

[SexyBlue137]

You're a brave man Maniac! Good luck buddy! :thumbleft:

I agree hehe

 

[IsabellaSnow]

There is one massive difference between men and women I often notice which is men like to fix things. What often infuriates women is when men try to fix them/fix their problems by offering the most obvious pieces of advice which have in fact already occurred to the woman.

My mother is an author, and she often gets men(sometimes, but not often women too) coming along saying "why don't you write something like Harry Potter? That sold really well" hmmm very useful... obvious answer that does not work out in practice, sure the intentions are good, but no just no! Then "Yes I like to write sometimes so I know all about this..." possibly trying to be helpful again, but really not.

You can do all the 'right' steps, you can do all the 'right' things, but it can still equate to nothing. For example, I get a fair amount of people in my room, lots watch, plenty chat, but I am missing people who like me who have money and are willing to tip. I'm sure if a lot of my regulars weren't poor as anything, they would be tipping! and many I worry are bankrupting themselves for me! It doesn't mean I'm doing anything wrong or different, it's just luck of the draw if someone comes into my room, takes a special liking to me who actually have money to spend.

I know you mean well but your list is very obvious, and is very easy for you to say, coming from the other side watching us, in practice it is very different. Trying to 'fix' an issue by listing out things we have already thought about a lot and discussed amongst ourselves as though they're the most helpful insightful things that could be said will do nothing but piss off and insult the models. Especially as it's just one member's perspective.

If I watched football loads yet didn't know how to play, I wouldn't try telling the players what to do/what they could have done better. As really, even though I can watch, what do I know? This is no different.

Sadly in camming and in fact any other business 1 plus 1 does not equal 2. Some people do nearly exactly the same as each other, one may do incredibly well, the other won't.

 

[RolloTomasii]

There is one massive difference between men and women I often notice which is men like to fix things. What often infuriates women is when men try to fix them/fix their problems by offering the most obvious pieces of advice which have in fact already occurred to the woman.

This is very very true, as was pointed out to me several years ago by a female friend who found the habit infuriating and filled me in the fact in very harsh terms (I didn't quite cry ). The problem is even knowing that you lovely ladies often aren't looking for ways to fix their problems from us dumbass men simply someone to listen and make sympathetic noises etc, we (meaning I as obviously I can only speak for myself) can't help it, men have an urge to fix things. So when we offer unwanted or obvious advice it is probably well intentioned if not of any use.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

The problem is even knowing that you lovely ladies often aren't looking for ways to fix their problems from us dumbass men simply someone to listen and make sympathetic noises etc, we (meaning I as obviously I can only speak for myself) can't help it, men have an urge to fix things. So when we offer unwanted or obvious advice it is probably well intentioned if not of any use.

This is exactly it! Well done! you've cracked the code! Women think a lot, so if there's a sucky situation and we're telling someone about it, unless we specifically ask for advice, all we want from people is "That really sucks" If there's say another woman in the same situation who offers some tactful advice then we may take it on board, and it may help but yeah, unless we're asking a man for their opinion, generally it's best to keep quiet lol.

I get it with camming a lot, I say, "god it's quiet tonight," and people start coming up with helpful suggestions of why it's quiet "Maybe they don't have money" "It's always quite on mondays" "It's always quiet on tuesdays" etc "it's beginning of the month" "it's mid month" "it's end of the month" Yeah.... cheers.... really what I want you to do is either tip me or be sympathetic about how awful it is and try and make me feel better. Offering possible explanations to why the night is shit doesn't really help anyone. "Maybe guys, there was a giant spacecraft that came down from space and stole all the tokens!!!!" Maybe, Maybe!

 

[Maniac]

There's nothing worse than a know-it-all, that doesn't know it all. Unless you are a model and someone ASKS for your advice, you are in absolutely no position to give it just because you sit on the other side of the screen. After reading your post, I see many flaws in your so-called advice, but I'll let another model tear it apart to correct you. I don't have the patince to deal with someone so arrogant.

Equally, there's nothing worse than a know-it-all, that doesn't know it all. Unless you are a regular long term member and understand what it is to be seduced pvt, you are in absolutely no position to understand it just because you sit on the other side of the screen.
That is as arrogant as directing advice you see commonly given to models from members.

The idea of posting this was simply to share serious advice, practical insight into what works best. What I posted was just cut and paste of previous things I have sent to help struggling model friends do better. You will note all is about members, and it is obvious, it should be obvious when it is accurate. The hope was collecting all such obvious tips and getting rid of bad ones.

Anyway is posted now for anyone exploring. If someone finds it useful, great.

 

[schlmoe]

I think I hear the sound of thin ice breaking somewhere...

 

[LolasLiger]

As a member, and one who has some time under his belt, I think I am going to try to "reply" to Maniac's suggestion. He, as a member has decided that this is advice that would work for a model in getting the attention of members. But I am a member...and many of thses just won't...in fact many will put me off said model:


1. Take Control. If you have trouble best to temporarily ban rather than to ignore the trouble maker. Be polite but assertive, leading your room.
I don't agree about polite but assertive. Most trouble makers in MFC are trolls. They are immune to politeness. And neither is a temporray ban any good. That last for one day, and in my experience, models who use that do so for a regular who has just stepped out of line. Realeal trouble makers get the 60 day ban. BUT, as we have seen on numerous threads on ACF, the definition of "trouble makers" is very subjective. It for the model to decide whether a member is trouble or entertaining.

2. You must try to acknowledge all your rooms. Be poilte to all you can
Personally I loathe that. If I am in a room and a model is constantly keeping an eye on who is coming and leaving, then the flow of the room is constantly broken. If I happen to visit a model, i don't want to be singled out either unles i acknowledge my presence by posting in the chat.

3. Pvt leads to pvt, it's like advertising. (called this rule 1 sometimes too :lol: )
I am not sure where your evidence for this is. There is absolutely no guarantee that a member who takes a model private will repeat the performance. If i took a model private but then found that we weren't compatible, then I won't be back for more.

4. Look your best always, after that relax....be confident.
Nope, the advice should look your natural self. There is nothing worse than a model who doesn't normally wear makeup who decides that the best is to slap it all on. Or someone who is completely comfortable is vest top and boxers, who decides to do the whole stockings etc look. Members may suggest that a model would look fantastic in X, Y or Z, but that is their own little fantasy. Not who the model really is.

5. All who stay in your room like you in some way...otherwise they would be elsewhere.
You've just contradicted yourself. In point 1 you wrote about how to deal with trouble makers. Hence, not everyone in a room wil be there because they like the model. That is giving false hope.

6. Always chat leading to pvt (or to goals).
Uh?

7. Keep pms to a minimum.
I often hear this in rooms. But it is upto a model how she chooses to communicate with her members. I go to some rooms and the model doesn't take PMs. I go to other rooms where a model talks to most of her regulars in PMs, but still manages to give the main room her attention. It depends upon how well someone can juggle these things. Most people who complain about models who PM tend to be the ones who feel left out. To me that should be an inducment to get to know a model so that you get rewarded with PM previlages.

8. All your users have a pvt fantasy, when they trust that you can share that, they want pvt.
Again nope. That is not the case at all. Taking a model a private is an economic decision. I have discussed my fantasies with models, without promising or claiming that it will lead to a private. What you also seem to be implying is taht a model should lie and claim she shares the same fantasy, just so a member takes her private. If I then discover that the model is just going through the motions then there is no way I will visit her again.

9. For a pvt start quickly unless otherwise directed.
For a private, be prepared by discussing what a member would like and whether a model can offer it. The speed is dependent on what was asked. Nothing worse for me than a model already legs akimbo and at it within seconds.

10. Communication is critical at all times here.
I agree with you there but communication comes in many forms. You've already indicated you hate PMs.

11. Always keep the pvt or group experience flowing, make your best guess what is wanted if you are unsure.
Privates and groups are two way experiences. The members have just as much responsibility to keep the model interested in continuing. Handing all the pressure on the model will do her no good.

12. Saying no is ok. Decide quickly.
Saying no at ANY time is the right of any model, indeed any woman. She can decide during any part of the process. It doesn't have to be quick at all.

13. Tease to the fantasy (8), never take it too far.
Too far? But you adviced in 8 that a model should follow a fantasy so as to get privates. What is too far? Unles a member says it is too far, then how is a model to know. See also you advice on communication.

14. Try to have fun, most enjoy watching what you like doing most.
Contradicts #2 and #8.

15. Flirt, hair and body touching are critical to being taken. Relaxing and enjoying your guys is the most natural way.
I was actually talking to a friend about body language last night. We both agreed that the worst thing is seeing someone try to miimic pop psychology and replicate all that shit advice about hair flicking, pouty lips, fluttering eyelashes etc. If a model does it naturally then great. Otherwise she'll look like a retarded Bambi.

16. Be creative, experiment a bit.
Contradicts #14. Try to have fun, most enjoy watching what you like doing most. I am not saying that the advice itself is wrong. But if you are compiling a list to hand out, then at least be consistant

Ok, maybe i was playing devil's advocate, but you can see that I could just as easily make a list of advice, much of which is based on MY experiences, and it completely opposes yours (even though what I have written is pretty much nonsense).

So the bottom line is that I agree with all posts before mine stating that the only person who can, and should make decisions about what is good for herself and her room, IS THE MODEL.

 

[Evvie]

This is the most pedantic load of bullshit I've ever seen.

 

[mynameisbob84]

If there's one thing I've observed during my time here on ACF, it's that cam girls don't like to be told how to do their job. Baffling, I know. "But... I LOVE it when people I don't know tell what I should be doing in order to be successful in my chosen career" I hear you say. I do too! I love it when a customer tells me exactly how I should be bagging their CDs or tells me what albums I should be recommending people to buy. Similarly, I know that when I go into McDonalds and tell the cashier to be a bit more smiley... badabababaa they're luuuuurvin it ( :dance: ) But these cam girls... they're not like other folk. For whatever reason, they don't enjoy being told how to go about their job by us members. Strange but true, yo.

:?

 

[PlayboyMegan]

There's nothing worse than a know-it-all, that doesn't know it all. Unless you are a model and someone ASKS for your advice, you are in absolutely no position to give it just because you sit on the other side of the screen. After reading your post, I see many flaws in your so-called advice, but I'll let another model tear it apart to correct you. I don't have the patince to deal with someone so arrogant.

Equally, there's nothing worse than a know-it-all, that doesn't know it all. Unless you are a regular long term member and understand what it is to be seduced pvt, you are in absolutely no position to understand it just because you sit on the other side of the screen.
That is as arrogant as directing advice you see commonly given to models from members.

The idea of posting this was simply to share serious advice, practical insight into what works best. What I posted was just cut and paste of previous things I have sent to help struggling model friends do better. You will note all is about members, and it is obvious, it should be obvious when it is accurate. The hope was collecting all such obvious tips and getting rid of bad ones.

Anyway is posted now for anyone exploring. If someone finds it useful, great.

Do you want to know what I know as fact? That every member is different and there is no set formula to "seducing him into private" as you imply there is. What you posted above might work best for one model, but not another. Might work best on one member, but not the next.

 

[Trav]

Haha this is awful.

I've been a member for over 2 years and have almost 10k reward points. I have gone private 1 time, to watch a model open something I sent her.

There are a lot of different reasons people come to MFC and tip, maniac. You don't speak from any position of authority over why they're all there. Many members I know who are good tippers are not even interested in private. This list is half obvious, and half just bad, potentially self-limiting advice.

Also, I think it bears mentioning that some of the most successful models on mfc don't even do privates.

 

[KristinKervz]

Although I'm sure you mean well, there is a very simple explanation for why your advice is BS.

I haven't been camming for nearly as long as a lot of these girls but after 20 months I have come to the conclusion that how you look or what you do on cam doesn't fucking matter. I wish each model had their own secret formula to success, but we don't. At least I don't. One day I'll get on cam caked in makeup wearing fishnets and make jack shit, then the next day I get on wearing a tank top, my hair pulled up and no makeup and make double the normal amount. Another day I might do well with makeup. Sometimes I'm highly active throughout my entire shift dancing, teasing, dirty talk, and I won't make much. Other days I pretty much run a voyeur cam barely acknowledging you guys at all and get 50 million privates out of it. I can think of several models who are very successful that look or act nothing like what you describe. I have tried averaging out my earnings on certain days of the week, month, time of day, etc. and there isn't much evidence telling when is the better time to cam. I have changed up my camming setup location, lighting, the way I look and act, everything. In conclusion... what works for one girl may not work for another, and what worked for her the day before may never work again. What one member likes, another member will not. My highest paying member is a man that likes to see me flaunt my fat love handles and belly lol. Do you think if I did that in public chat all day I would make much money? Hell no.

All you see is the fun part of our job. If you could look behind the scenes you would understand how hard we work and how much we try. The fact that most of us have tried just about EVERYTHING and are convinced that there A) is NO secret formula, or B) have found their secret formula... is why we don't like to be told how to do our job. Aside from the obvious, of course. You're not a camwhore.

 

[LadyLuna]

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3. Pvt leads to pvt, it's like advertising. (called this rule 1 sometimes too :lol: )

Pvt empties the room.

I don't know if you meant that one person takes the model private, and when she gets back another person takes her private, or that if a guy takes the model private and likes it, he'll be back. Neither of those are necessarily true.

There are lots of guys who will go private with a model, and if he liked it the only thing that happens is she doesn't get hidden so that he'll see her the next time he gets around to her name. He doesn't want to see the same model every time, he wants a different model every time.

And when anyone takes a model private, once she gets back to the room she'll be LUCKY if 10% of the members are still there. And 90% of the people still there will take a minute or three to realize that she's back and switch back to the window (if they switch back to the window at all), which means she comes in to a room of 10 people, tries to interact, and is stuck with crickets until someone finally says something.

Wonder why girls went to mostly public shows? Partly because of this phenomenon.

 

[Evvie]

Although I'm sure you mean well, there is a very simple explanation for why your advice is BS.

I haven't been camming for nearly as long as a lot of these girls but after 20 months I have come to the conclusion that how you look or what you do on cam doesn't fucking matter. I wish each model had their own secret formula to success, but we don't. At least I don't. One day I'll get on cam caked in makeup wearing fishnets and make jack shit, then the next day I get on wearing a tank top, my hair pulled up and no makeup and make double the normal amount. Another day I might do well with makeup. Sometimes I'm highly active throughout my entire shift dancing, teasing, dirty talk, and I won't make much. Other days I pretty much run a voyeur cam barely acknowledging you guys at all and get 50 million privates out of it. I can think of several models who are very successful that look or act nothing like what you describe. I have tried averaging out my earnings on certain days of the week, month, time of day, etc. and there isn't much evidence telling when is the better time to cam. I have changed up my camming setup location, lighting, the way I look and act, everything. In conclusion... what works for one girl may not work for another, and what worked for her the day before may never work again. What one member likes, another member will not. My highest paying member is a man that likes to see me flaunt my fat love handles and belly lol. Do you think if I did that in public chat all day I would make much money? Hell no.

All you see is the fun part of our job. If you could look behind the scenes you would understand how hard we work and how much we try. The fact that most of us have tried just about EVERYTHING and are convinced that there A) is NO secret formula, or B) have found their secret formula... is why we don't like to be told how to do our job. Aside from the obvious, of course. You're not a camwhore.

I would say 60% of the model's only forum is dedicated to helping each other out with suggestions and advice, from women who have a lot of experience and know what they're doing. I encourage members to realize we do have our own support system between each other, and we are not blind to the member's POV.

Also, when Maniac speaks, keep in mind he prefers models with over a 4000 camscore, so his advice is probably targeted towards models who are already successful, not new models.

 

[JoleneBrody]

14. Try to have fun, most enjoy watching what you like doing most.

This is the most worthwhile thing you have to say and it completely contradicts the entire existence of this post.
So I tip my hat and offer you this song...


Serious model advice to members. Find a model you like, enjoy her company, tip her and don't be THAT guy.

 

[Maniac]

Wow always fasciniates me when people scan and comment with out thinking first or reading properly.

As a member, and one who has some time under his belt, I think I am going to try to "reply" to Maniac's suggestion. He, as a member has decided that this is advice that would work for a model in getting the attention of members. But I am a member...and many of thses just won't...in fact many will put me off said model:


1. Take Control. If you have trouble best to temporarily ban rather than to ignore the trouble maker. Be polite but assertive, leading your room.
I don't agree about polite but assertive. Most trouble makers in MFC are trolls. They are immune to politeness. And neither is a temporray ban any good. That last for one day, and in my experience, models who use that do so for a regular who has just stepped out of line. Realeal trouble makers get the 60 day ban. BUT, as we have seen on numerous threads on ACF, the definition of "trouble makers" is very subjective. It for the model to decide whether a member is trouble or entertaining. You agree thx

2. You must try to acknowledge all your rooms. Be poilte to all you can
Personally I loathe that. If I am in a room and a model is constantly keeping an eye on who is coming and leaving, then the flow of the room is constantly broken. If I happen to visit a model, i don't want to be singled out either unles i acknowledge my presence by posting in the chat.
I said acknowledge/ notice, not talk to.... I agree with you (point 10). Will agree is an impossible task, you can't take even good advice to an extreme.
3. Pvt leads to pvt, it's like advertising. (called this rule 1 sometimes too :lol: )
I am not sure where your evidence for this is. There is absolutely no guarantee that a member who takes a model private will repeat the performance. If i took a model private but then found that we weren't compatible, then I won't be back for more. I was not refering to repeat pvt experiences but another member trying pvt. The reason this so often works is obvious. The spy option is available, a long pvt in particular shows the model can please at least one member, model confidence increases, model satisfaction goes up and so on.

4. Look your best always, after that relax....be confident.
Nope, the advice should look your natural self. There is nothing worse than a model who doesn't normally wear makeup who decides that the best is to slap it all on. Or someone who is completely comfortable is vest top and boxers, who decides to do the whole stockings etc look. Members may suggest that a model would look fantastic in X, Y or Z, but that is their own little fantasy. Not who the model really is.
A model knows what she prefers in terms of her own look, and it can vary. This point was about owning your look, not worrying too much after choosing it, backing your beauty.
5. All who stay in your room like you in some way...otherwise they would be elsewhere.
You've just contradicted yourself. In point 1 you wrote about how to deal with trouble makers. Hence, not everyone in a room wil be there because they like the model. That is giving false hope. Trouble makers like a model too, by like I mean they are interested in some way. In terms of regular visitors, the advice is to not to doubt that interest, they want something from the model or room she creates.

6. Always chat leading to pvt (or to goals).
Uh? Easy one to understand. Chase the fantasies members have of you that lead to pvt/ other goals. This is about not letting members take you away from your goals.

7. Keep pms to a minimum.
I often hear this in rooms. But it is upto a model how she chooses to communicate with her members. I go to some rooms and the model doesn't take PMs. I go to other rooms where a model talks to most of her regulars in PMs, but still manages to give the main room her attention. It depends upon how well someone can juggle these things. Most people who complain about models who PM tend to be the ones who feel left out. To me that should be an inducment to get to know a model so that you get rewarded with PM previlages. This is about keeping attention on those really interested, keeping your room active for those taking an interest in the model. Pms should be restricted to only those who matter to the model, they deserve to have public support/ contribution from those claiming to like them. Models are too often used/ distracted by friends and lose opportunity.

8. All your users have a pvt fantasy, when they trust that you can share that, they want pvt.
Again nope. That is not the case at all. Taking a model a private is an economic decision. I have discussed my fantasies with models, without promising or claiming that it will lead to a private. What you also seem to be implying is taht a model should lie and claim she shares the same fantasy, just so a member takes her private. If I then discover that the model is just going through the motions then there is no way I will visit her again. This is so obvious. 'Users' can afford and do go pvt (group or tip), this is referring to the decision to go pvt, that want. As a 'user' we all want the model to fulfill some fantasy, to consent to create it for us. The importance to a model is that if she figures this out, we are hers, psychologically anyway.

9. For a pvt start quickly unless otherwise directed.
For a private, be prepared by discussing what a member would like and whether a model can offer it. The speed is dependent on what was asked. Nothing worse for me than a model already legs akimbo and at it within seconds. We agree. This is about etiquette. It is simply rude to deliberately waste time. Experienced members are usually pretty much ok with delays or any problems.

10. Communication is critical at all times here.
I agree with you there but communication comes in many forms. You've already indicated you hate PMs. We agree, and pms are part of good communication.

11. Always keep the pvt or group experience flowing, make your best guess what is wanted if you are unsure.
Privates and groups are two way experiences. The members have just as much responsibility to keep the model interested in continuing. Handing all the pressure on the model will do her no good.We agree. This is advice on poor communication or problems. Breaking flow at the wrong point will disrupt a good pvt or group experience, sometimes it is best to guess and reconnect communication that way. A smart member will go with the flow, or otherwise decide.

12. Saying no is ok. Decide quickly.
Saying no at ANY time is the right of any model, indeed any woman. She can decide during any part of the process. It doesn't have to be quick at all. We agree, you understood that one

13. Tease to the fantasy (8), never take it too far.
Too far? But you adviced in 8 that a model should follow a fantasy so as to get privates. What is too far? Unles a member says it is too far, then how is a model to know. See also you advice on communication. Too far is fulfilling the fantasy outside of pvt/ tip goals. Teasing to that fantasy is obvious (e.g. feet guys will ask for foot games and so on)

14. Try to have fun, most enjoy watching what you like doing most.
Contradicts #2 and #8. No it doesn't. Paying attention as best you can is #2, no barrier to having fun. This one is actually a hint about what fantasies you are most likely to find taking you pvt (#8), they will flow closely to what you most have fun performing, best to assume so anyway.

15. Flirt, hair and body touching are critical to being taken. Relaxing and enjoying your guys is the most natural way.
I was actually talking to a friend about body language last night. We both agreed that the worst thing is seeing someone try to miimic pop psychology and replicate all that shit advice about hair flicking, pouty lips, fluttering eyelashes etc. If a model does it naturally then great. Otherwise she'll look like a retarded Bambi. We both agree. This advice is more about forming a habit of flirting, much like being on a date. You do have control of personal spacing, and what we focus on.

16. Be creative, experiment a bit.
Contradicts #14. Try to have fun, most enjoy watching what you like doing most. I am not saying that the advice itself is wrong. But if you are compiling a list to hand out, then at least be consistant Fun and experimentation/ creativity are mutually exclusive? I disagree

Ok, maybe i was playing devil's advocate, but you can see that I could just as easily make a list of advice, much of which is based on MY experiences, and it completely opposes yours (even though what I have written is pretty much nonsense).

So the bottom line is that I agree with all posts before mine stating that the only person who can, and should make decisions about what is good for herself and her room, IS THE MODEL.

As you can see by my corrections, understanding any advice must be well clarified, hence the reason for this topic. Thankyou for proving my earlier point. The bottom line is that the only person who can, and should make decisions about what is good for herself and her room, IS THE MODEL. Hopefully she makes choices that best serve her success, all suppotive members want that for our favourites in the end.

 

[Evvie]

Wow always fasciniates me when people scan and comment with out thinking first or reading properly.

As you can see by my corrections, understanding any advice must be well clarified, hence the reason for this topic. Thankyou for proving my earlier point. The bottom line is that the only person who can, and should make decisions about what is good for herself and her room, IS THE MODEL. Hopefully she makes choices that best serve her success, all suppotive members want that for our favourites in the end.

So... "here are 13 things that I tell models to do, but models should ignore all of that and just do what they want."

 

[LolasLiger]

Wow always fasciniates me when people scan and comment with out thinking first or reading properly.

Is that more of your sage wisdom? Maybe i should sit cross-legged at the feet of the Master and absorb more.

FYI, I read exactly what you wrote, and still decided to post what I did. You have to acknowledge the validity of my interpretation, even if you don't agree with it...otherwise you are negating your own. It isn't just models who do what they like...most of us members have brains and free-will too.

 

[KristinKervz]

Although I'm sure you mean well, there is a very simple explanation for why your advice is BS.

I haven't been camming for nearly as long as a lot of these girls but after 20 months I have come to the conclusion that how you look or what you do on cam doesn't fucking matter. I wish each model had their own secret formula to success, but we don't. At least I don't. One day I'll get on cam caked in makeup wearing fishnets and make jack shit, then the next day I get on wearing a tank top, my hair pulled up and no makeup and make double the normal amount. Another day I might do well with makeup. Sometimes I'm highly active throughout my entire shift dancing, teasing, dirty talk, and I won't make much. Other days I pretty much run a voyeur cam barely acknowledging you guys at all and get 50 million privates out of it. I can think of several models who are very successful that look or act nothing like what you describe. I have tried averaging out my earnings on certain days of the week, month, time of day, etc. and there isn't much evidence telling when is the better time to cam. I have changed up my camming setup location, lighting, the way I look and act, everything. In conclusion... what works for one girl may not work for another, and what worked for her the day before may never work again. What one member likes, another member will not. My highest paying member is a man that likes to see me flaunt my fat love handles and belly lol. Do you think if I did that in public chat all day I would make much money? Hell no.

All you see is the fun part of our job. If you could look behind the scenes you would understand how hard we work and how much we try. The fact that most of us have tried just about EVERYTHING and are convinced that there A) is NO secret formula, or B) have found their secret formula... is why we don't like to be told how to do our job. Aside from the obvious, of course. You're not a camwhore.

I would say 60% of the model's only forum is dedicated to helping each other out with suggestions and advice, from women who have a lot of experience and know what they're doing. I encourage members to realize we do have our own support system between each other, and we are not blind to the member's POV.

Also, when Maniac speaks, keep in mind he prefers models with over a 4000 camscore, so his advice is probably targeted towards models who are already successful, not new models.

I guess I should specify that I cam mostly on Streamate which is very unpredictable from day to day lol. Maybe it's not the same on MFC? Honestly the models only forum has been a life saver for me. It's the reason I'm always trying new things by saying "how you look or what you do on cam doesn't fucking matter", that's just the way I see it in MY situation but it may be different for others. Perhaps I worded that wrong

 

[JoleneBrody]

Wow always fasciniates me when people scan and comment with out thinking first or reading properly.

As you can see by my corrections, understanding any advice must be well clarified, hence the reason for this topic. Thankyou for proving my earlier point. The bottom line is that the only person who can, and should make decisions about what is good for herself and her room, IS THE MODEL. Hopefully she makes choices that best serve her success, all suppotive members want that for our favourites in the end.

My existence among the ranks of MFC just proves every ones point.

 

[AllisonWilder]

Well, damn. Now I can just go and print off the OP, tape it to my wall and I'll have a cheat sheet to success. Woot! :dance:

 

[bob]

maniac....you offered your advice as something that you've told models over the years....my assumption with this post is that what you posted wasn't a "laundry list" that you presented complete to each model, but rather each model got one or maybe a few pieces of your advice during the course of your relationships with them.

i feel that in THAT sense, your advice is laudable, but would also point out that as generalities, they are either pretty darn obvious, or applicable to individual models and/or situations

the best tool we have for advice -for the usual model/member relationship- is the token, which speaks our voice with all necessary eloquence and force :angel12:

accompanied by our opinion, nothing more need be said, unless we're asked :twocents-02cents:

 

[AllisonWilder]

Well, damn. Now I can just go and print off the OP, tape it to my wall and I'll have a cheat sheet to success. Woot! :dance:

Maniac, thanks for thanking my post but I feel compelled to tell you that my post was pure sarcasm... :?

 

[Maniac]

Well, damn. Now I can just go and print off the OP, tape it to my wall and I'll have a cheat sheet to success. Woot! :dance:

Maniac, thanks for thanking my post but I feel compelled to tell you that my post was pure sarcasm... :?

I know

 

[bob]

It isn't just models who do what they like...most of us members have brains and free-will too.

omg.....how many tokies do those things cost? :lol:
(or maybe i can just a wishlist :smilebox: )

 

[Maniac]

If there's one thing I've observed during my time here on ACF, it's that cam girls don't like to be told how to do their job. Baffling, I know. "But... I LOVE it when people I don't know tell what I should be doing in order to be successful in my chosen career" I hear you say. I do too! I love it when a customer tells me exactly how I should be bagging their CDs or tells me what albums I should be recommending people to buy. Similarly, I know that when I go into McDonalds and tell the cashier to be a bit more smiley... badabababaa they're luuuuurvin it ( :dance: ) But these cam girls... they're not like other folk. For whatever reason, they don't enjoy being told how to go about their job by us members. Strange but true, yo.

:?

This sums up the advice thing well.
Members are seen as customers, missing the fact that we are active participants in our own choices/ product.

Haha this is awful.

I've been a member for over 2 years and have almost 10k reward points. I have gone private 1 time, to watch a model open something I sent her.

There are a lot of different reasons people come to MFC and tip, maniac. You don't speak from any position of authority over why they're all there. Many members I know who are good tippers are not even interested in private. This list is half obvious, and half just bad, potentially self-limiting advice.

Also, I think it bears mentioning that some of the most successful models on mfc don't even do privates.

The pvt fantasy plays out in pm/ yahoo/ outside of pvt for you.... for me too. Making my favourite happy is the best feeling.
Sadly any list must be generic, it is the model herself who begins to put the rest of it into focus. Most of what I cut and pasted was for those doing badly chasing pvt time, and for many new models. Most of it is simply suggestions on better communication and help with increasing confidence. Most of those falling way down the camscore list have lost one or both.

 

[AmberCutie]

I get it with camming a lot, I say, "god it's quiet tonight," and people start coming up with helpful suggestions of why it's quiet "Maybe they don't have money" "It's always quite on mondays" "It's always quiet on tuesdays" etc "it's beginning of the month" "it's mid month" "it's end of the month" Yeah.... cheers.... really what I want you to do is either tip me or be sympathetic about how awful it is and try and make me feel better. Offering possible explanations to why the night is shit doesn't really help anyone. "Maybe guys, there was a giant spacecraft that came down from space and stole all the tokens!!!!" Maybe, Maybe!

I haven't even finished reading through the rest of this thread yet but I just HAVE to jump ahead to quote this for how true it is.