Russian Cut Off from Payments

[ArcticKitty]

Random: I have been wondering if Russian models have had to or are having to deal with a lot of trolls and harassment while they're trying to work. Some people are messed up that way, either because they think the model is somehow responsible for the invasion or just to be assholes.

I'm sure that models must have a click, click, block option available but still..

 

[rockin_rod]

Random: I have been wondering if Russian models have had to or are having to deal with a lot of trolls and harassment while they're trying to work. Some people are messed up that way, either because they think the model is somehow responsible for the invasion or just to be assholes.

I'm sure that models must have a click, click, block option available but still..

At least in the room I most frequent, nobody has really been discussing the conflict, just a few comments here and there like these:



But I have noted room visitor numbers are down, so there's definitely an impact. And I'm sure other models who may have a higher profile are attracting the negative comments and trolling.

 

[Dan Epstein]

Wait what? Neither Russia or Ukraine share a border with Germany. And as far as legitimate or contraband trade go, I'm sure that the opportunities have been disrupted.

Wait what? Neither Russia or Ukraine share a border with Germany. And as far as legitimate or contraband trade go, I'm sure that the opportunities have been disrupted.

Pardon my bad geography, not Germany, but much of Europe. The acute point is there though. Ask yourself, how do you know if an illicit economy is disrupted when the illicit economy is not reported? I have 3 writers/journalists recommended for you, the 1st is Ioan Grillo about the global drug trafficking, the 2nd is Misha Glenny with McMafia, and the third is Michael Galeoti with his book about the Russian Vory. It might not solve the conflict, but it helps understand the situation beyond the bumper sticker democracy in popular media. In my humble opinion at least.

 

[Highlander884]

Random: I have been wondering if Russian models have had to or are having to deal with a lot of trolls and harassment while they're trying to work. Some people are messed up that way, either because they think the model is somehow responsible for the invasion or just to be assholes.

I'm sure that models must have a click, click, block option available but still..

Afraid so. I've had to silence some.
It has died down over the last few days though.
Think the most common thing do is asking if the model is russian or declaring in the room that the model is russian.

Wouldnt say they've had any difference in terms of number of tokens in any way with the ladies I follow.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Pardon my bad geography, not Germany, but much of Europe. The acute point is there though. Ask yourself, how do you know if an illicit economy is disrupted when the illicit economy is not reported? I have 3 writers/journalists recommended for you, the 1st is Ioan Grillo about the global drug trafficking, the 2nd is Misha Glenny with McMafia, and the third is Michael Galeoti with his book about the Russian Vory. It might not solve the conflict, but it helps understand the situation beyond the bumper sticker democracy in popular media. In my humble opinion at least.

Well this is going rather off of the trail here but very briefly: First, it's partly about having proportion regarding the economic significance of smuggling. You don't have to be an expert on organised crime for this, just a recognition that the market for illegal drugs or arms or counterfeit goods may be huge and enrich some people who do it but it really is a very small fraction of economic activity. For instance, one can infer that people in the EU spend more on cut flowers than they do on cocaine without needing a market research report in front of them.

Also, proximity and contiguous borders are not required for smuggling, as evidenced from fentanyl precursors from southern China and overdose epidemics in Ohio. Finally, the dead obvious that a hot war that is disrupting daily life disrupts everything.

Sorry, Dan, I don't mean to be overly critical and I fully appreciate that you value looking beyond the public explanation or rationale for events to the real reasons and motivations. I'm just saying that organised crime isn't one of them here. I hope my reasoning makes sense.

 

[Dan Epstein]

Well this is going rather off of the trail here but very briefly: First, it's partly about having proportion regarding the economic significance of smuggling. You don't have to be an expert on organised crime for this, just a recognition that the market for illegal drugs or arms or counterfeit goods may be huge and enrich some people who do it but it really is a very small fraction of economic activity. For instance, one can infer that people in the EU spend more on cut flowers than they do on cocaine without needing a market research report in front of them.

Also, proximity and contiguous borders are not required for smuggling, as evidenced from fentanyl precursors from southern China and overdose epidemics in Ohio. Finally, the dead obvious that a hot war that is disrupting daily life disrupts everything.

Sorry, Dan, I don't mean to be overly critical and I fully appreciate that you value looking beyond the public explanation or rationale for events to the real reasons and motivations. I'm just saying that organised crime isn't one of them here. I hope my reasoning makes sense.

It’s not organized crime, just organized criminal governments in this case. What puts Putin in power isn’t Russia, but the supply chain outside Russia that is so dependent on Russian energy commodities. Russia is having trouble ruling over the whole of Russia, and they wouldn’t be able to hold on to Ukraine for too long. In a simple manner, it’s globalization that gave him power, not his Soviet mediocre career in the KGB.

 

[ArcticKitty]

It’s not organized crime, just organized criminal governments in this case. What puts Putin in power isn’t Russia, but the supply chain outside Russia that is so dependent on Russian energy commodities. Russia is having trouble ruling over the whole of Russia, and they wouldn’t be able to hold on to Ukraine for too long. In a simple manner, it’s globalization that gave him power, not his Soviet mediocre career in the KGB.

I don't disagree but I'm afraid I can't see where you're going with this. Also, would it be a good idea for us to start a new thread elsewhere? I don't mind and anyone else who is interested in a geopolitical discussion can join in on that.

 

[Dan Epstein]

No more politics for me, being an Israeli with a Romanian citizenship in progress, with mixed Russian and Ukrainian roots, I can only be biased in too many directions. I just hope some global banking roots can work for remote freelancers, web cam models included.

 

[Finchomatic]

All this would have been avoided if many nations leaders did not have superiority complex/s.

 

[AudriTwo]

looks like whats app and instagram will no longer be available for russians.

Russia moves to ban Instagram as it designates Meta an ‘extremist organisation’

Meta recently changed its hate speech policy to allow for posts calling for violence again the Russian military

uk.finance.yahoo.com

oh and americans can no longer send US dollars to russian nationals.

Executive Order on Prohibiting Certain Imports, Exports, and New Investment with Respect to Continued Russian Federation Aggression | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[Lelo1]

I wonder what else they will block on the 14th.

 

[Empty]

By the way, outside of geopolitical talk if someone had an idea pertaining to the original topic I would be glad to hear it (and saying "cryptos" isn't an answer if you can't name an exchange allowing you to cash out in Russia)

 

[Lintilla]

By the way, outside of geopolitical talk if someone had an idea pertaining to the original topic I would be glad to ear it (and saying "cryptos" isn't an answer if you can't name an exchange allowing you to cash out in Russia)

At this point you need to ask the person you're trying to send to what they can receive, or at the very least, ask for advice somewhere other than a forum mainly populated by English-speaking Americans. But the answer is increasingly "cryptos", sorry, and also, depending on where you're located, that it's not allowed in general.

 

[Empty]

At this point you need to ask the person you're trying to send to what they can receive, or at the very least, ask for advice somewhere other than a forum mainly populated by English-speaking Americans. But the answer is increasingly "cryptos", sorry, and also, depending on where you're located, that it's not allowed in general.

Yes I know, the problem being that there isn't so many solutions anyway. If it shows something at least it's how much were wrong all the people saying "ahahaha sanctions will have no effect" and "just use crypto, government can't do anything against that".
In the worst case it's still possible to cash out their money myself and send the money back in gold in a letter, but this is expensive and unreliable with many points of failure

 

[ArcticKitty]

By the way, outside of geopolitical talk if someone had an idea pertaining to the original topic I would be glad to hear it (and saying "cryptos" isn't an answer if you can't name an exchange allowing you to cash out in Russia)

Yeah, I *did* try to politely suggest that realpolitik was a subject for another thread. Apparently I was too subtle.

 

[ArcticKitty]

At this point, I really think that the best that an American and likely other Westerners who wants to help a Russian model can do is to send as much as affordable while it's still possible with all best wishes. Because the best that they can do is forward and not look back on their modeling days as they try to survive however they can.

 

[AudriTwo]

By the way, outside of geopolitical talk if someone had an idea pertaining to the original topic I would be glad to hear it (and saying "cryptos" isn't an answer if you can't name an exchange allowing you to cash out in Russia)

Yes I know, the problem being that there isn't so many solutions anyway. If it shows something at least it's how much were wrong all the people saying "ahahaha sanctions will have no effect" and "just use crypto, government can't do anything against that".
In the worst case it's still possible to cash out their money myself and send the money back in gold in a letter, but this is expensive and unreliable with many points of failure

there are crypto atms now at gas stations. hell my bank is starting to install them inside their branches. local branch got one last month. there are crypto-cash exchange options, russians have to look for them. here i googled crypto atms in russia and LOOK: https://coinatmradar.com/country/177/bitcoin-atm-russian-federation/
there aren't a lot because it's new. but it is still an option.


americans and most other countries have banned/sanctioned sending anything monetary value to russian nationalists (people residing in russia). if you send gold, you may face serious consequences. i believe its considered treasonous.

at this point before any of you white knights want to send money, check your countries' sanctions to see what it prevents you from doing as a citizen. im not gonna sit here and tell you what you should and shouldn't do. but sometimes

 

[andreaStrip]

At this point, I really think that the best that an American and likely other Westerners who wants to help a Russian model can do is to send as much as affordable while it's still possible with all best wishes. Because the best that they can do is forward and not look back on their modeling days as they try to survive however they can.

You say incredibly sensible words. It really is

 

[hidden_evelina]

I heard Paxum is the only way for Russian models now to get paid by camsites. I hope they won't cut them off.

 

[ArcticKitty]

One thing I'm wondering about is that even if models in Russia are still able to receive payment through cam sites how much of that is she actually getting and is there a danger of being ripped off by the studio she's working for?

Please pardon my ignorance; before last week I would have thought that a web cam studio referred to a model's home office/workspace.

 

[Derek_Zoolander]

The entire Russian economy will go through radical change. It’s time for these cam models to find new work. This is the new reality.

 

[rockin_rod]

looks like whats app and instagram will no longer be available for russians.

That reads as though WA won't be affected, since it is considered a means of communication.
And the widespread anouncements about this blocking seem to be more about publicising the hitting back at western-based social media, since using VPN should overcome local restrictions.

The entire Russian economy will go through radical change. It’s time for these cam models to find new work. This is the new reality.

My friend said loan rates have gone up massively and together with the uncertainty over earning money, it seems the entire economy there will contract. Very real prospect people will be defaulting on their rent and loans and getting into difficulty. And anyone who has worked in an industry that does not allow them to show recent work history and taxation is going to struggle to find new employment elsewhere.

 

[GraysonDrake]

I don't understand your comments. Russians have died too. At least 10,000 Russians have been killed by Ukraine in the Donbas over the past 8 years. Meanwhile, Russia has done everything possible to avoid killing Ukrainian civilians during this invasion. They have even tried to minimize the deaths of Ukrainian soldiers. They are simply destroying the infrastructure of war.

Did you even watch the video?

wowwwww dude. You're really saying that Russia has the moral high ground after invaliding another country and bombing its civilians? You're a piece of work my dude. There's no such thing as an ethical invasion, this is still an atrocity and what they are doing is despicable.

Also what you said isn't even true.

 

[Lelo1]

One thing I'm wondering about is that even if models in Russia are still able to receive payment through cam sites how much of that is she actually getting and is there a danger of being ripped off by the studio she's working for?

Please pardon my ignorance; before last week I would have thought that a web cam studio referred to a model's home office/workspace.

If there is anything illegal going on, there is probable less protection, and a greater chance of exploitation.

Russia is talking about Legalizing Piracy from any sanctioning country.
Which could includes movies, tv shows, software, porn, extra.
UN could do the same to Russia.

 

[JulieSamSan]

If there is anything illegal going on, there is probable less protection, and a greater chance of exploitation.

Russia is talking about Legalizing Piracy from any sanctioning country.
Which could includes movies, tv shows, software, porn, extra.
UN could do the same to Russia.

Russia has pirated before, only without official permission

 

[ArcticKitty]

I mean the studio ripping off the models. It seems to me that they may just loot the till and take off, fuck you. Someone wanting to help out a Russian model may want to keep that possibility in mind.

 

[ArcticKitty]

GraysonDrake, yeah, the propaganda he was spreading is sickening, isn't it.

And I think it has become accepted more widely than I first thought. Yesterday on FB, someone on a friend's thread posted along the lines of "How do we know if the strike on the children's hospital was real?"

 

[alexakitty]

I heard Paxum is the only way for Russian models now to get paid by camsites. I hope they won't cut them off.

I suppose that crypto can work for them too

 

[Ozzie_]

GraysonDrake, yeah, the propaganda he was spreading is sickening, isn't it.

And I think it has become accepted more widely than I first thought. Yesterday on FB, someone on a friend's thread posted along the lines of "How do we know if the strike on the children's hospital was real?"

A model I casually follow on IG and had visited a few times in my early days on SC (I always thought she was German, turns out probably Russian -- not that I care about that) said that she was moving to Telegram where she would post news showing both sides of the situation.

All I could think was "Russia invaded Ukraine, there is only one "side" in this regard!".

If Ukraine has done bad things to some of its citizens, that is another, separate, issue.

 

[Highlander884]

Might be meaning showing the real news and not the propaganda that's shes dealing with at home? Only a possibility that's what she meant.