RateMyCamgirls

[LacieLaPlante]

I do see what you're saying, yes. But I really think for the most part the ratings will be positive and helpful rather than hurtful. We are all on the same team here. I want what's best for you guys and I always watch out for our camgirls. If you know anything about us you'd know we are the best and getting content removed that the girls don't want out there etc. If there is a problem with a girl, we go out of our way to help her out.

Do you seriously not remember Camscorestats.com and the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE comments people left about models there? Comments aren't even allowed anymore because it was so vicious.

Have you not seen mycamgirl and the HORRIBLE comments there?

Those aren't even sites really with the intent to rate a girl, so I'm sure the comments on a site where the intent is to judge her based on appearance, personality, etc will garner some horrible comments as well.

Not to mention, deleting bad comments at the request of the model is kinda wrong too, don't you think?

 

[BarbieLuv]

If you do take this site live and it gets popular, I would like to see an option where girls can COMPLETELY opt out of having themselves listed on the website, because personally, I would never, ever want to be listed on such a potentially toxic site.

All I can see a camgirl ratings site like this being is a den of trolls, poisonous comments, and freeloading guys who are pissed that a girl wouldn't cater to them in free chat (or that a non-nude model wouldn't get naked, a girl whose profile says she doesn't do anal won't shove a dildo up her ass on command, the girl doesn't perform their fetish, etc.) downrating/commenting about the girl just to be spiteful and try to 'get back' at her. That could potentially get very, very nasty.

You've seen the YouTube comments section, right? Now imagine that about camgirls. THAT is what this site is going to degenerate into very quickly. It's also very dehumanizing and insulting; camgirls aren't objects, they're people. Reducing a woman to just the sum of her T&A/whether she happens to tickle your pickle in the way you like is nauseating. :twocents-02cents:

 

[BarbieLuv]

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Just... so much no. The entire FAQ is cringe-worthy and dehumanizing to the models, and is phrased to sound like you're offering the the chance to do reviews on office supplies or baking sheets, not actual people. WTF? :-x

 

[AmberCutie]

Given that:

1. tastes for types of cam girls is so incredibly *subjective

2. people are so much more likely to actually seek out a way to "rate" it if they are unhappy with something than if they are satisfied


leads me to NOT want anything to do with this. I'm betting that (among cam girls who spend time and effort to keep their online persona's "reputation" in tact) most will agree with this sentiment.

 

[SNRProductions]

I guess it's not for everyone. This is actually the first time I've gotten negative response so I'm a bit taken aback. I'll make an option to opt out of the ratings when we work on the site next and try to address some of the concerns here.

 

[DuoShi]

This thread needs more....

 

[SNRProductions]

Actually I've been thinking about it, and you guys sort of inspired me to change some stuff up on there. Next time we update the site, I will change the rating system to be more of a voting or liking system so there's only positive votes and the girls with the most likes will rank the highest. I might even tie it into social media if I can somehow. I'll update you guys when it's been updated and hopefully you'll not have such an issue with it.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

That sounds much better, but I'd still like to say that I don't want to have anything to do with your site. You do not have permission to use any of my pictures or anything connected to me.

Fact is, most members who've ever spent more than a one off purchase from me have continued visiting my room and have been on my friendslist so they can personally talk to me. The only guys who'd need or want to use a site like this would be members who either haven't spent anything on me ever, or have behaved badly in my room so have been banned, or generally have tipped expecting something I don't do and want to have a bitch fit about it. I've never had any issues with a reasonable member, and the only members I've ever had problems delivering what they want is members who are notoriously difficult.

I once had some non camgirl friends of mine come on cam with me as a treat for members, we did a few silly countdowns and actually my friends showed and did a lot more than I thought they would, but it was clear that we weren't going to do a sex show and we weren't staying on very long as I only brought them on to show them what it was like, even so loads of guys tipped and even over a year later people still mention what an amazing cam session it was. Yet because loads of guys tipped, I got several freeloaders coming into the room at other times telling me how I "ripped them off" and "scammed them" because me and my friends didn't dildo each other but still made tokens, even though those particular members hadn't tipped a single token, so there's no possible way I could have ripped them off, they watched a free show and spent no money, just because they would have liked to have seen more doesn't give them the right to complain. Either way, there are still members who'll see something they don't want to see or would rather see more but have no interest in paying for it who feel it's their right to complain and act like they've been personally scammed.

Most members who actually pay for camgirls have good relationships with camgirls and pay for them partly for the interaction they can have, so a completely separate camgirl rating site just wouldn't work, why would these well paying "customers" search on the internet for a way to rank and appreciate their favourite camgirl when they can simply tip and chat to them personally? It's for the most part only going to be the 90% of freeloaders who watch models, and really I'm not that cool with people who've never paid for a service before having an outlet to review their free service as though they're actually a paying customer.

As for the social side, well, I get a fair amount here, and I get the rest in my chatroom and on twitter. I mean, I run a chatroom, I don't really need much more socialising than that!

Edit to add: It also now sounds kind of like the MFC rate and admire system, it has absolutely zero benefit to models but you'll still get countless freeloaders devotedly rating and admiring to "support" their favourite model. Or members saying they've rated to try and get free stuff, which sometimes works with less experienced models. I have a feeling if this site did do well many of the good reviews would be for the purpose of trying to coax the model into giving them free content.

 

[Teagan]

I guess it's not for everyone. This is actually the first time I've gotten negative response so I'm a bit taken aback. I'll make an option to opt out of the ratings when we work on the site next and try to address some of the concerns here.

She asked to have the option to be taken off the site itself. Not just reviews. Personally I don't want to even be listed there at all.

See the issue with me is that these people can rate models based on nothing. They can go through the site an down any girl who isn't their fav model. Heck other models could go do it too. And it happens. Girls have had other girls fans come to their room and start trouble. Girls have gone into other girls rooms and start trouble. Now you're just giving them an open forum to do so and anon.
I like how on SM guys can leave tags but models can make them not show. To rate the girl (star or comment) he has to have actually gotten a paid show. Otherwise he can't. In your system any beggar can complain a girl didn't do what he demanded for free. That's not a fair just system. On SM girls can also have guys ratings removed if they are unfair. Yours seems to say we just must not have put on a good show. Suck it up basically. If it is a malicious though you'll look into it... What does that mean really? How can we prove it's malicious vs a true review? We can't. So it's your discretion to remove it or not. That makes me uncomfortable greatly.

I understand what you are trying to do here. I mean I get it. I just don't see the point of it really. Like why would I want to be listed there? Why would I want to be at the top? What benefit does it really bring me? If your answer is to possibly bring me more followers, fans, paying members,friends... I don't believe that. Maybe a girl may get 1 new person to see them but really why would I waste my time on 1 person from your site when I could spend more time on say Twitter or on cam and reach thousands of potential new friends? I don't see any benefit for us girls.

 

[Just Me]

Given that:

1. tastes for types of cam girls is so incredibly objective

2. people are so much more likely to actually seek out a way to "rate" it if they are unhappy with something than if they are satisfied


leads me to NOT want anything to do with this. I'm betting that (among cam girls who spend time and effort to keep their online persona's "reputation" in tact) most will agree with this sentiment.

I am thinking you meant subjective and I agree if that is the case.

Nothing good can come from rating things that are subjective. If you don't know the person that posted the review it is quite worthless. What one person may like another may not. If it is just reviews of whether or not some service was provided in a timely and professional manner, you might have something. But without proof and having the anonymity of posting from the internet, reviews of personal services like those provided by cam models become less than reliable. If some poster posts a review and they have had their feelings hurt by a model, I doubt we will get an honest review.

 

[AmberCutie]

Given that:

1. tastes for types of cam girls is so incredibly objective

2. people are so much more likely to actually seek out a way to "rate" it if they are unhappy with something than if they are satisfied


leads me to NOT want anything to do with this. I'm betting that (among cam girls who spend time and effort to keep their online persona's "reputation" in tact) most will agree with this sentiment.

I am thinking you meant subjective and I agree if that is the case.

Nothing good can come from rating things that are subjective. If you don't know the person that posted the review it is quite worthless. What one person may like another may not. If it is just reviews of whether or not some service was provided in a timely and professional manner, you might have something. But without proof and having the anonymity of posting from the internet, reviews of personal services like those provided by cam models become less than reliable. If some poster posts a review and they have had their feelings hurt by a model, I doubt we will get an honest review.

Thank you for catching that! Going to edit now... ('cuz I have magic powers and can edit any time. muahahah)

 

[Sevrin]

A lot of pervs register here just to complain about some model who did them wrong. As a rule, they get a hard time, because who the fuck are they, anyway? Others come here to gush. Neither provides information that's useful. A site like this would just compile a lot of equally useless opinions and present them as "consumer information".

Now a site like MyCamgirl, doesn't pretend to be objective. The "reviews" are presented as the opinions of one guy, discussing his favourite models, and the models being "reviewed" are cooperating. It's just respectfully presented entertainment.

 

[JubalCobb]

Now a site like MyCamgirl, doesn't pretend to be objective. The "reviews" are presented as the opinions of one guy, discussing his favourite models, and the models being "reviewed" are cooperating. It's just respectfully presented entertainment.

There are multiple parts of mycamgirl

On the front page there are some longer posts which I think are the reviews you're talking about. Apparently by mycamgirl himself. This is what you're referring to.

If on the other hand you go to the cam sites where she works section of the site, you'll find that even random unregistered people can write comments. This is where you find nasty comments such as models are expecting to occur on ratemycamgirls.

While I like mycamgirl a lot, it makes me mad seeing this nasty comment about someone I like a lot.

$modelname is a fucking whore! She's only interested in tokens and money! She is so fucking fake!!! What I heard is that she's going into the porn business... Just the right place for her!

clearly this random has never been in her room. My girl would need to get registered at mycamgirl to take care of that nonsense. I'm not sure i even want to point it out to her. :angry4:

tl:dr mycamgirl allows the same type of nonsense people are mad at ratemycamgirls for possibly allowing.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

clearly this random has never been in her room. My girl would need to get registered at mycamgirl to take care of that nonsense. I'm not sure i even want to point it out to her.

I wouldn't. Personally I'd rather not know what a random troll says about me unless I went looking for it.

I've never really used Mycamgirl other than checking out model's (including my own) stats. It's interesting to learn about how often certain girls cam/what their camscores are and how well they've done in miss mfc in the past. I have zero interest in reading reviews.

I mean reviews for camgirls are pointless. You might as well review every person in the world and then other people can read those reviews to decide whether they want to be friends with a person or not. It's a ridiculous idea, some people might hate my friends and would say some pretty bad stuff about them, or find them boring or irritating, but I find them interesting, funny and entertaining. Not everyone has the same idea of what beautiful is, or what funny is, or what sexy is. Just like there are friends for everyone, there are camgirls for everyone, and they completely depend on preferences.

 

[Jillybean]

But how will you verify the members rating the girls have ever done a show with them?

The site I work on is Streamate. And members can rate you. And ratings mean stuff. I've gotten rated poorly because I've refused to fist my asshole. All I had to do was email Streamate and they removed the poor rating because it clearly states that I don't do that kind of thing.

So, what means do you have to keep this a fair and honest forum for proper reviews? You really don't. You'd have to approve every rating and review as it comes in to weed out the obvious trolls. That's what Amazon does. That's why Amazon's reviews are so helpful.

I also would prefer not to be shown on this site at all.

 

[mynameisbob84]

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A lot of pervs register here just to complain about some model who did them wrong. As a rule, they get a hard time, because who the fuck are they, anyway? Others come here to gush.

This, in a nutshell, is why a site like the one you're describing is doomed to fail. By and large, the members who would use such a site would fall into one of two categories - those with an axe to grind, and those who have convinced themselves that their favourite model is a goddess who can do no wrong and anyone who suggests otherwise is just a little bitch who doesn't truly know "their" model 'cos if they did, they'd know that she's perfect in every way. This doesn't benefit members - the data isn't going to be of sufficient validity, ya know? And it won't benefit models - got called a cunt and banned a member as a result? One star review for you, bitch! Was asked to unfurl thy titties and had the audacity to ask for a tip first? One star review for you, bitch! Plus, there's all the other issues that the models here have already mentioned.

You seem like a decent guy, but I don't think your goal of creating a website with a community vibe for cam models and members is ever gonna be realised with your current idea. For such a community vibe to exist, you first need to provide a hook that's gonna be beneficial to model and member alike. I'd suggest a site that matches the right member to the right model and allows said models and members to communicate with one another once they've been matched. I mean, I've given this all of two minute's thought so there's bound to be problems I currently don't foresee, but I've just convinced myself something like that could work.

Maybe approach it like a dating site. Everyone who joins creates a profile, and members are asked to answer a series of questions to determine which type of model(s) they're "matched" to...

What is your main goal when you visit a cam site?
To find sufficient wank material so you can quickly bust a nut and go about your day? Well, here are some models who primarily focus on doing privates. Check out their profiles and see if any of them take your fancy, yo.

You prefer just to sit back and chill for an hour or two, shooting the shit with a sexy naked lady and a similarly-minded room? These models tend to spend most of their time in public chat, talking about whatever inane bollocks springs to mind. Go check out their profiles.

You're submissive? These models will happily dominate you. Go check out their profiles. You have a fetish? These models just happen to cater to that very fetish. Go check out their profiles. You like musician models? This chick plays the oboe. Go check her out.

And so on, and so forth. The more information a model puts in her profile and the more questions a member answers, the better the "matches" will be. Members could get recommendations based on the type of room, the type of shows offered, fetishes catered to, interests ("oh, you're an avid stamp collector. Go see this model. Maybe you could compare stamp collections in a private!"), physical characteristics, whatevs.

There's all kindsa shit you could incorporate into the site - video/pic set sales, chat rooms, a feature that allows music playlists to be shared, a feature for arranging private shows in advance, notifications for model's schedules, announcements, etc.

I reckon something like that could be beneficial to model and member alike :twocents-02cents:

 

[MyCamgirl]

I'm following this discussion and I'm happy this has started. Valuable opinions :thumbleft: For a long time I have been planning on having a discussion with girls about some issues addressed here and other things. I'm kinda busy. But after the contest I'll get back to this.

 

[SexySteph]

If on the other hand you go to the cam sites where she works section of the site, you'll find that even random unregistered people can write comments. This is where you find nasty comments such as models are expecting to occur on ratemycamgirls.

At least they're presented as comments rather than reviews. Idk, I expect bullshit in comments section but when you call something a review you kind of give it "authority" and a feeling of validity.

 

[SNRProductions]

I have an announcement!

Because of your feedback here we adjusted the rating system on the site. Now rankings are based on "likes" within a 30 day period. So models with the most likes within 30 days get rated the highest. I would assume everyone is happy with that?

For those that had reservations about our rating system before, I invite you to register with an account now at http://www.ratemycamgirls.com/ where we're positive all the time lol :dance:

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Whatt????? No..... Not this again...

I would assume everyone is happy with that?

You assume wrong. I'm amazed you still went through with this idea. Even the "rate and admire" system on myfreecams pisses me and a lot of models off. Let alone an off site "liking" system.

This one is sure, much less harmful to the models than your original plan, and if you have model profiles on there then it might give us more publicity, but again, it's just as biased and unfair as the camscore system. Of course girls who already are high ranked on sites will get more dudes liking them because of the exposure they get, more dudes will have seen them as it's clear that a large amount of members never stray below the first few rows. So great, you'll just get the ranked already popular top models of various sites, something that members could do themselves.

Not only this, but if someone goes to myfreecams, streamate, really any camsite, they'll see live models currently on cam. These models are already ranked with the sites own ranking system. On your site they would just see already popular models. These models might come on cam at all sorts of random hours. So a member searches through a bunch of models, finds a girl he likes, to find that she's never on cam when he's on.

As far as I gathered before you're expecting girls to actually sign up to your site... But what would we really gain? Our pictures would be making you money, and I assume you'd hope that we'd put something in our sigs/tell people on our sites to "like" us on your site, therefore giving you more traffic, but I doubt they'd be making us money. I somehow doubt you're going to draw much traffic at all, at least not much traffic we don't already have and definitely won't compete with a camsite. Are you going to offer a reward to the cam model with the most "likes" every month? Maybe a nice sized amazon gift voucher (in the currency she chooses).

 

[LaceyRoyce]

This is my listing.

http://www.ratemycamgirls.com/profile/view.php?id=26622

the pictures are old. SO old. LIKE.. from my first week camming. over 3 yrs ago.

And the link to take them to my mfc profile does this

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/Miss_Lollipophttp://



i don't see that having a promotional page up is necessarily a bad thing.. but .. are all the pages broken like this. Where are you sourcing your pics from. Do you have rights to use them on your site?? (I don't remember giving you permission to use my pictures for profit)

Only Myfreecams and myself have copyright over those pictures.

I am really glad that you're only allowing positive feedback 'likes' on the site.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Just had a quick look on the site.... There does still seem to be a 5 star rating system in place. What's interesting is going through the girls, there seem to be pretty much the same number of "votes" on loads of them. Like there'll be a random number of girls in a row who only have 7 votes, then it'll move to a row of girls with 10 votes, then 5 votes, etc. It doesn't seem to have much pattern. Then most of the girls with 5 stars have 5 votes... a few random numbers, but 5 seems like the magic number. Does that seem weird or is that normal?

 

[SNRProductions]

Isabella, I'll try to think of some things to get other profiles more views as well. You do make a valid point in that the same girls will get more exposure simply by being at the top. I'd like to have it integrated with online status and feature profiles of models that are online as well. I'd like to give awards out to the top model of the month eventually as well. That's a good idea.

Lollipop, I fixed your link.

 

[Zoomer]

I never saw this thread originally

First - a serious question. Do you have permission to use all those pictures? I ask because "Claim this profile" model profiles still have pictures... If you haven't, then tut tut!

Second - my pop up blocker is working well. It should not have to. It reveals your motivation for creating the site - money. Urgh.

Third - some content you have to register to see (forums). Why? The one thing you can be sure of is I won't bother joining to see what else is there... You should show all the features, but perhaps you can only use some if you're signed up/in.


So, personally, I see zero value in your site. There is no reason to visit. Now you can argue over that, but that's a users opinion. It's a pointless site at present. I'm not going to find a new model on a cam site and think "I know, lets go rate her on that site!". Nor am I going to sit and think "Hmm, where shall i go look for a hot lady... I know, if I go to that site I can find who's been voted!". Cam sites do this for me already - so what's the purpose. Given the last comments on the top-ish models shown on your site, it appears to be that way too (40 odd months since some comments on a highly rated model?).

To me the concept is all wrong. There are ratings on the site the models work on... and ratings are your supposed raison d'etre. So why visit your site? You want a community, but you have to register first - can't see what a "fun" community it is before hand. Again, what purpose? Those "rate my face" type sites were popular back in like 2001. There's a reason they're not popular now. Likewise, there is no revisit purpose. Why to return?

But my biggest problem is that there's no reason to rate. It serves no purpose... certainly not as the reason to visit the site.

Now, one improvement I would personally make - depends on your time, your competence and your host quality. The improvement would simply be - the "like" should return results of similarly liked girls. I don't mean similarly frequently liked, I mean 25% of those who liked model X also liked model Y. Now rating would have a purpose - if I find A hot, and someone else finds A hot - then we may have similar tastes. However, most cam sites have already implemented this too

Another issue I'd say is the choice of models. If I like a model on site A, i'm unlikely to go to site B or C or D - because I don't want to have dozens of sites with my credit card details. Filter models by site. Otherwise the ratings are utterly pointless to me anyway... most aren't relevant as i won't go to that site.

Do you seriously not remember Camscorestats.com and the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE comments people left about models there? Comments aren't even allowed anymore because it was so vicious.

The comments were supposed to be fun and constructive. I ended up, daily, receiving notifications (I had to create a "flag this comment for review" system) about bad comments.
The problem was the commenter's are free to make shit up - and that is precisely what happened. Pure, utter, bile. Then the white knights would likewise just gush with pure vomit. Strangely enough, sometimes people would argue with themselves in the comments (pretending to be 2-3 different people and starting flame wars). I concluded that people are fucking nuts. I closed the comments - it was just too much insanity. Then again, I was getting (at that time) about 1000-3000 unique users per day. It was a very busy site surprisingly

I made a voting system to ("recommend") and also used "views" to provide fun rankings along side the camscore and camscore changes - but these were then abused to heck and back.

Due to one person generating about 7000 likes for a single model in a single hour - but that put strain on the host (shared hosting, use too much resources even though it isn't much actual resource usage, the host took the site down for a day).

In the end I gave up (that was more due to the hosts being really irritating than the users in all honesty) as it became more hassle than it was worth - especially since by that time MyCamGirl came along and did the same thing, but better

Now it just trundles on and I really should do maintenance... but motivation there is none.

 

[curvyredhead]

I am not sure if I am annoyed or happy that I am not on the site.


Also--It's great that you fixed, lollipop's link.....but it appears they are all messed up.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Isabella, I'll try to think of some things to get other profiles more views as well. You do make a valid point in that the same girls will get more exposure simply by being at the top. I'd like to have it integrated with online status and feature profiles of models that are online as well. I'd like to give awards out to the top model of the month eventually as well. That's a good idea.

Lollipop, I fixed your link.

You do not have permission to use my pictures. You ignored that part of my post. Please take them down in the next 48 hours (this is me being friendly), or I'll send you a DMCA and give you no option.

Oh and yeah this appears to be a problem with site wide code not just my profile