Quick question re work for mature models

[Kimber]

Hi all, I have a quick question to ask....I'm in my late 40's and seriously considering webcam work to help out financially. I don't expect to make the same amount of money a much younger (and more beautiful!) model makes, but was wondering if any of you could recommend the best website for me to start? I've looked at quite a few of them and searched for mature models on them - most of the models seem to be non-English speaking women working out of a studio. I'm not sure the 100% mature model sites have enough traffic, so is there a mainstream site any of you would recommend? I'm not in the US so need somewhere that accepts models from other countries. I'm eagerly awaiting my Payoneer card and a wig from eBay so I can get started

I'd really appreciate any advice you can give! Thank you!

 

[JickyJuly]

Sign up for Streamate. Raise your expectations.

 

[Kimber]

Thanks so much for your quick response JickyJuly.

Streamate is the one website I haven't looked at yet!

 

[Kimber]

Hi all, I wasn't sure whether to start a new thread or not. I have another question... I've just looked at Streamate and was wondering if I'm able to list a country other than the one I live in? My accent is pretty obvious (I'm Australian) so was hoping to list myself as UK and use an English accent. Based on my ID being Australian, do I have to show my country as the same as my ID?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help

 

[MadisonGraceLloyd]

I'm from the UK & have the options to display either Australia, New Zealand or UK as the country I'm in so gonna guess you'll have the same. Also I wouldn't worry about changing your accent for all they know you could have recently moved over! I'm just guessing it would be kinda stressful trying to remember to keep it up all the time!

 

[loganlee]

Hi all, I wasn't sure whether to start a new thread or not. I have another question... I've just looked at Streamate and was wondering if I'm able to list a country other than the one I live in? My accent is pretty obvious (I'm Australian) so was hoping to list myself as UK and use an English accent. Based on my ID being Australian, do I have to show my country as the same as my ID?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help

I don't think it's right to fake your location. Apparently a lot of Russian models list their country as UK when in reality they're still in Russia. It upsets models who really are in the UK.

If your worry is security, you can ban your cam from being viewed in your own country. e.g I am listed as being in Malaysia but Malaysia-based people won't be able to see my cam.

 

[GracieHart]

Hi all, I wasn't sure whether to start a new thread or not. I have another question... I've just looked at Streamate and was wondering if I'm able to list a country other than the one I live in? My accent is pretty obvious (I'm Australian) so was hoping to list myself as UK and use an English accent. Based on my ID being Australian, do I have to show my country as the same as my ID?

Thanks in advance for anyone's help

I don't think it's right to fake your location. Apparently a lot of Russian models list their country as UK when in reality they're still in Russia. It upsets models who really are in the UK.

If your worry is security, you can ban your cam from being viewed in your own country. e.g I am listed as being in Malaysia but Malaysia-based people won't be able to see my cam.

I had a post typed out but it is probably best left for the "models only" section.

But if you want to "fake" your country do it and don't worry. Models do it all the time. You can use location blocking but it's not perfect and there have been known to be loopholes (VPNs, people travelling for business, mobile access etc). I didnt want to appear on any google searches with my location, eg "Austrailian naked girls waiting to chat to you now". So on MFC I listed Christmas Island as my location and on Streamate I am still down as an Aussie (where I was travelling around when I set up the profile initially).

You can then choose if you want to be honest about the country you live and are from when asked on cam. that bit is up to you. But dont feel bad about any security measures you feel you need to/want to use to protect your privacy...

 

[AerynShade]

Yeah, I used to put the Falkland Islands as my home country when I was on MFC. It doesn't matter so much.

 

[loganlee]

Maybe it ranges from site to site. Just recall reading a model complaining about a site not allowing her to cam because there's "enough UK models" or something.

I might be totally wrong though.

 

[MadisonGraceLloyd]

I was supposed to press quote not thank
I'm not sure what site she was trying to sign up to but I've never had an issue also if you sign up through Vanessa (link to her details here) she'll approve to to streamate faster than it usually takes & provides more support I believe :-D

 

[Kimber]

Thank you gorgeous girls for all your helpful advice I'm very, very grateful.

I'll have no worries keeping up a UK accent as I lived there for years. The Aussie accent is quite unique and as we are still a reasonably small country with only 20 million or so, I'm worried about being recognised. Surely there aren't that many Australian women in my age group doing webcam work.

Having said that, I'll be wearing a wig and doing some heavy make up as well!

Thank you for Vanessa's details - I'll definitely contact her once I've received my Payoneer card and can start working.

Were any of you concerned about providing your ID as proof of age? Do you know of anyone who ever photoshops the ID to have a different date of birth, name or address? I saw one website which said you had to provide a photo of yourself holding the ID next to you, but that's easily gotten around by just printing out the adjusted ID to the same size as the real one. Just curious I'm a little worried about my real identity being found out, but I appreciate that payment has to be done using a real name. It's more my real date of birth and address I'm wanting to keep private.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Sites like MFC and SM will not give out your personal info.
I would NOT photoshop your ID since I'm pretty sure that's illegal and they have your social security # and tax info anyways so that would do no good.

 

[loganlee]

There was that one incident where 4chan went around hacking softcore sites and some porn sites then named and shamed the girls (which is hypocritical imho, I am PRETTY SURE they fap to porn anyhow). However, this was a one in a million thing. Chances are it won't happen again. A lot of sites have now taken extra measures to make sure their stuff doesn't get Doxed (again).

And yeah, forging your ID might lead to your getting banned from sites, so please don't do that. We don't want to encourage underage girls from doing something similar, apparently the Philippines is even banned from a majority of sites because they have a tendency to exploit underage girls into camming due to their poverty level.

By right, all your legal documents should only be seen by the people in charge of verifying your age.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Chances are it won't happen again. A lot of sites have now taken extra measures to make sure their stuff doesn't get Doxed (again).

Chances are it will happen again. I'd love for you to explain the new security measures camsites have put in place to stop this from happening.

Not something models should be worried about but something they should be aware of.

 

[Kimber]

A big thank you again for all your help and advice You've all given me more information in two days than I've been able to find online in the past two weeks

As I'm not in the US, I don't have a social security number (we don't have that here) and will be declaring income in Australia and paying my own tax as a self-employed person. I'm not sure why a website needs any of my tax information, especially if I'm not in the country they're based in. I'm still waiting for my Payoneer card so once I have that all payments will go onto the debit card, and it's up to me to declare the correct income amounts. The Payoneer account is in my real name so that's something that I will have to be honest about to wherever I end up working.

As I clearly look my age (sad but true) I don't think anyone will look into my ID twice to try and verify my age. I don't look anywhere near 18, let alone under it haha. Having said that I was just wondering whether scanning in and emailing my real ID (an Australian driver's licence) is a good idea considering the number of online security breaches lately - I'm thinking of Apple's Cloud in particular but also the huge number of viruses that have done the rounds this year and caused headaches for everyone having to change their passwords yet again. I'll think more about this but am tempted to "adjust" by a digit or two my date of birth (not necessarily the year, just the day and month) and my home address (my house number) so that I'm not 100% identifiable. A name is just a name, but a name with a date of birth and home address is something we all should be highly protective of.

I'll keep thinking about this, so thanks again for all your wonderful help and taking the time to give friendly advice to a stranger

 

[AerynShade]

You do realize that your shows will be recorded, and will end up on a porn site/forum for the entire world to see, right?
It might even happen the very first time you do a show. If you are so concerned about people recognizing you that you want to photoshop your ID (which is a bad idea) then maybe cam work isn't the best job for you.

 

[MadisonGraceLloyd]

I really wouldn't suggest adjusting any of your details, it's already been said in this thread you will most likely be banned from the site, I'm gonna assume that they're pretty good at checking that sort of thing as camming underage is illegal not something that's just frowned upon. I do get the fact that you want your privacy in fact there is a page here that give soooo much info about how to keep your details private, but I agree with Annie if you feel the need to go so far as to adjust your details then camming probably isn't for you as you will be uploaded to tube sites which obviously don't have location blocking!

 

[PlayboyMegan]

A big thank you again for all your help and advice You've all given me more information in two days than I've been able to find online in the past two weeks

As I'm not in the US, I don't have a social security number (we don't have that here) and will be declaring income in Australia and paying my own tax as a self-employed person. I'm not sure why a website needs any of my tax information, especially if I'm not in the country they're based in. I'm still waiting for my Payoneer card so once I have that all payments will go onto the debit card, and it's up to me to declare the correct income amounts. The Payoneer account is in my real name so that's something that I will have to be honest about to wherever I end up working.

As I clearly look my age (sad but true) I don't think anyone will look into my ID twice to try and verify my age. I don't look anywhere near 18, let alone under it haha. Having said that I was just wondering whether scanning in and emailing my real ID (an Australian driver's licence) is a good idea considering the number of online security breaches lately - I'm thinking of Apple's Cloud in particular but also the huge number of viruses that have done the rounds this year and caused headaches for everyone having to change their passwords yet again. I'll think more about this but am tempted to "adjust" by a digit or two my date of birth (not necessarily the year, just the day and month) and my home address (my house number) so that I'm not 100% identifiable. A name is just a name, but a name with a date of birth and home address is something we all should be highly protective of.

I'll keep thinking about this, so thanks again for all your wonderful help and taking the time to give friendly advice to a stranger

Once again, I believe photoshopping your ID is illegal. Don't do it. Just don't.
You can get a po box with a street address and change your ID address if you are THAT concerned. But really, you still have your legal name on it so changing your bday is not going to do much. A bday alone is not going to throw a stalker off.
And looking your age means NOTHING. My sister is 17 and looks 27, I shit you not.

I don't know anything about taxes in your country. But in America we have to pay taxes as a self-employed person and that is something the site needs to know.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

As I'm not in the US, I don't have a social security number (we don't have that here) and will be declaring income in Australia and paying my own tax as a self-employed person. I'm not sure why a website needs any of my tax information, especially if I'm not in the country they're based in. I'm still waiting for my Payoneer card so once I have that all payments will go onto the debit card, and it's up to me to declare the correct income amounts.

It's because the site needs to comply with the law, which includes having clear records of where the money is going, like any other employer. Same goes for the i.d. The site is required by law to have (undoctored) copies of everyone's i.d.

I wouldn't mess around with that part. Just make sure you're signing up with a legit site.

 

[KylieJacobs]

If they notice that you photoshopped your ID, they won't accept you. I know it wont help with the security breach concerns, but if you're concerned about your profile age once you're camming, that can be changed to anything that you want. The website (streamate for example) needs your correct information (ID, etc), but you can use a stage name and a different birthday for your actual camming profile.

 

[Camgirl]

Regardless if your money gets loaded on to your payoneer card, Streamate is the one paying you. We are all independent contractors who are required to pay self-employment taxes and report our earnings, so that is no different here in the states. They need your tax identification number because they are a legitimate company, and legitimate companies require this information when they have independant contractors. You are not being paid under the table.

Age/identity verification is only a small part of why sites need your id. It is because they are a business and required by law to do so since 1. You are a subcontractor and they are paying you money, and 2. Regardless of where you live they have to report the money they pay you.

For American models streamate issues a Form 1099 to us and then also submits a copy of that to the IRS, therefore the government will absolutely know what we earned and there is no just putting what you chose to report. Legally, Streamate is required to report your income. I am not sure exactly how this is reported since it will be foreign income on your part and because of the tax treaty between Australia and the US. I am sure they will need your TFN though.

You should not forge any of your documents. You should treat this the same way you would treat any other professional endeavor where a legitimate company will be paying you.

 

[Kimber]

My understanding of the US/Aust Tax Treaty is that it isn't applicable to personal income and I'll check next week with our tax office whether I would need to provide a TFN or ABN to a US owned company. With self-employed income in Australia we don't use a TFN, but a registered ABN as a sole trader. I wasn't worried so much about being stalked by anyone online, although that's certainly something worth taking precautions to prevent - my concerns re using real, identifiable information as contained in a driver's licence was the risk of identity theft or online breaches that result in personal information being on-sold without knowledge or consent. The security of the sites and their encryption/storage of your data is what's worrying me the most, but I'll do some more research into this. Thanks again for all your input and advice