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Hi, I'm barely successful model. I've tried chaturb, and some other cam websites and I barely get any views. All is taken by girls and dudes with thousands of fans.

And I've stumbled upon this blog. Do you think this method might work for me?
http://webcam.joomla.com

Thank you for your opinion. I'm desperate establish myself as model.
 
I don't work on CB but I would say its a hugeeee no no to be promoting yourself in other girls cam rooms just to drive traffic to your own.
 
The fact that this blog doesn't even mention the top two cam sites - sketch.

Hearing from members I hear most members get annoyed by folks peddling to them while they are visiting other girls.

Check out this forum for great advice. There's like a gazillion threads about getting viewers and working on success.
 
The fact that this blog doesn't even mention the top two cam sites - sketch.

Hearing from members I hear most members get annoyed by folks peddling to them while they are visiting other girls.

Check out this forum for great advice. There's like a gazillion threads about getting viewers and working on success.

Going by either SimilarWeb or Alexa (I know many camgirls prefer intuition over data, but still) the most trafficked sites are Chaturbate, LiveJasmin and BongaCams. Which one is first will vary based on who's data your going off of. One also needs to look at country traffic. If you're looking at USA, MFC would be either second or third, based on whether you're going off Alexa or SimilarWeb. BongaCams is most popular in the CIS countries, which doesn't do much good for models in the Western World.

I'm assuming MFC is one of the "top two cam sites". What's the other one you were thinking of?

The 3 sites listed have model referral programs, so I'm assuming that's the reason those three sites are the ones chosen.

Hi, I'm barely successful model. I've tried chaturb, and some other cam websites and I barely get any views. All is taken by girls and dudes with thousands of fans.

And I've stumbled upon this blog. Do you think this method might work for me?
http://webcam.joomla.com

Thank you for your opinion. I'm desperate establish myself as model.

I didn't know that Joomla is offering a hosted version of their CMS. Learn something new every day. Kind of wondering if the OP is an affiliate who slapped together that single blog post on that subdomain, thinking (s)he could drive some model referrals.
 
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I don't work on CB but I would say its a hugeeee no no to be promoting yourself in other girls cam rooms just to drive traffic to your own.

Blog writes about not directly promoting cross webcam platforms but through other websites or social networks.
I'm not sure if CB admins check models IG or FB or Twitter
 
Yeah I wasn't talking about Alexa ratings. But we all know they aren't accurate.

What I was going for was from a models perspective these are the sites that are worth working on. Clicks on a site doesn't mean we make reliable income. Alexa means nothing when I say popular. As a cam model I don't give a shit about clicks or viewers. I care about quality of those viewers as well as quality site policies.

It is a general consensus LJ is shady and pays TERRIBLE. Any cam gal worth her salt doesn't typically send other gals to LJ.

Top sites recommended by models (therefore the most popular where it matters) does infact include MFC and SM.

Not sure about LiveJasmin but I've read quite good about them.

And MFC is total mess. Something like defunct MySpace.
 
Going by either SimilarWeb or Alexa (I know many camgirls prefer intuition over data, but still) the most trafficked sites are Chaturbate, LiveJasmin and BongaCams. Which one is first will vary based on who's data your going off of. One also needs to look at country traffic. If you're looking at USA, MFC would be either second or third, based on whether you're going off Alexa or SimilarWeb. BongaCams is most popular in the CIS countries, which doesn't do much good for models in the Western World.

I'm assuming MFC is one of the "top two cam sites". What's the other one you were thinking of?

The 3 sites listed have model referral programs, so I'm assuming that's the reason those three sites are the ones chosen.



I didn't know that Joomla is offering a hosted version of their CMS. Learn something new every day. Kind of wondering if the OP is an affiliate who slapped together that single blog post on that subdomain, thinking (s)he could drive some model referrals.

Yeah I wasn't talking about Alexa ratings. But we all know they aren't accurate.

What I was going for was from a models perspective these are the sites that are worth working on. Clicks on a site doesn't mean we make reliable income. Alexa means nothing when I say popular. As a cam model I don't give a shit about clicks or viewers. I care about quality of those viewers as well as quality site policies.

It is a general consensus LJ is shady and pays TERRIBLE. Any cam gal worth her salt doesn't typically send other gals to LJ.

Top sites recommended by models (therefore the most popular where it matters) does infact include MFC and SM.
 
Yeah I wasn't talking about Alexa ratings. But we all know they aren't accurate.

What I was going for was from a models perspective these are the sites that are worth working on. Clicks on a site doesn't mean we make reliable income. Alexa means nothing when I say popular. As a cam model I don't give a shit about clicks or viewers. I care about quality of those viewers as well as quality site policies.

It is a general consensus LJ is shady and pays TERRIBLE. Any cam gal worth her salt doesn't typically send other gals to LJ.

Top sites recommended by models (therefore the most popular where it matters) does infact include MFC and SM.

"Popular" and "Profitable" aren't necessarily the same. One could argue that there's usually a correlation, but it's not science. "Popular" and "profitable" are also contingent upon the model. A German model will probably perform much better on MyDirtyHobby than an American model would. Therefore, a site that is "profitable" and "popular" for you doesn't mean it is for everyone. You don't have to worry about that, but I'm shooting emails overseas every day. It's very relevant to me. I need to work off data and not intuition. I also work off a lot of feedback, and global feedback. It varies from place to place.

Another thing that's not taken into consideration is the whitelabels and embeds. If it was possible to take that into consideration, SM would be way higher up on the list. Hell, the traffic for their TV channel they got isn't accounted for either. Which, if the whitelabels weren't generating money (thus generating models money), webmasters wouldn't be using them. Someday Google is going to swing the ban-hammer on all those sites due to them all running off the same nameservers and having basically 100% duplicate content, but until then, it's a factor not taken into consideration.

I'm really interested to see if MFC implements an in-house affiliate program and if you can see a correlation in the traffic reports. One could argue that their recent drop might be due to them leaving Crakrevenue, but there's so many factors going into everything, that it's difficult to know for sure. If they did implement an in-house affiliate program and traffic starts spiking, it would add talking points to that argument.

Which I did make some money off the MFC affiliate program. Lot of people Googling "camming sites" which I rank very highly for. Because of this, I do get some insights into customer referrals and spending. Which, if I'm making money, that means that models are making money too. That's how revshare works. Going off those metrics, Chaturbate performs better. Hell, SkyPrivate performs better for that matter. SM never performed that great, but I ended up giving all that action to a Streamate model, as she could actually access the SM model referral program, which I can't. Customer traffic wasn't performing, so figured might as well. Actually should email her and see how it's performing.

Don't have much insight outside of that, as with most programs you have to choose between model or customer referral links, but I do have what little insight I could offer from that. Don't have that insight anymore, as MFC is no longer with Crak. really wish I still did.

Another area one could look at is domain authority, which is a MOZ metric and based off crawlers so it's not sample data like Alexa or SimilarWeb. They've reverse-engineered Google to 70% accuracy and continuely crawls like Googlebot in order to tweak algo signals to better match Google's SERPs. Since Google doesn't update PageRank data anymore, the entire SEO industry goes off of DA. Here's how the top-5 sites when it comes to DA:
  1. ImLive: 77
  2. LiveJasmin: 69
  3. Cams.com: 69
  4. Chaturbate: 68
  5. BongaCams: 67
The relevance? Higher DA means that content will perform better on their site. There's tons of other signals in the algo outside of just backlinks, and I've never actually crawled the different sites, but in theory, the category pages should perform better on the higher DA pages. This leads to more traffic, and assuming the traffic converts, more money.

Also, look at all the industry awards. MFC used to win all the time. I think they once took XBIZ Best Camming Site 4 or 5 years in a row. MFC doesn't win anymore. Sure, it's the opinion of the industry, but there's camming models voting as well. Maybe all the other sites are just better at driving votes.

So I am basing my assumptions on more than just Alexa. But on the topic of SimilarWeb, you should check out the Google Analytics of all the sites your running and compare it to SimilarWeb data. It's actually surprisingly accurate. Not perfect, but the graphs are always trending in the right direction. All the seasonal traffic is fairly accurate as well.
 
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It's also worth mentioning that camming is more popular in the CIS countries than the Western World. Looking at the industry as a whole, I'm more concerned about the CIS than I am about America. Therefore, I find what's "popular" and "profitable" over there more relevant, and that is BongaCams and SkyPrivate, even though it's not exactly a "camming site".

Skype shows are very popular over there and the companies based out of Romania so they have some excellent support for the various Eastern European languages.

It's a big international industry and it's not a "1-size fits all" deal.
 
That article is the worst advice article I may have ever read, and there are some bad ones out there.
 
It's also worth mentioning that camming is more popular in the CIS countries than the Western World. Looking at the industry as a whole, I'm more concerned about the CIS than I am about America. Therefore, I find what's "popular" and "profitable" over there more relevant, and that is BongaCams and SkyPrivate, even though it's not exactly a "camming site".

Skype shows are very popular over there and the companies based out of Romania so they have some excellent support for the various Eastern European languages.

It's a big international industry and it's not a "1-size fits all" deal.
Maybe that is why so many of your opinions and posts are unpopular among the rest of ACF. The folks that are here, both members and models, are more influenced by what is popular in the Western World. While we do have a handful of members/models from Eastern countries, even they are mostly from the "most popular sites" (SM, MFC, CB) and are speaking from experience as such. This site's advice and input are basically 95% based on what WE find popular and profitable.

So all of your SEO based thought process skews your views to be more worldwide and as you said "more concerned about CIS countries". It all sort of makes sense now.
 
Maybe that is why so many of your opinions and posts are unpopular among the rest of ACF. The folks that are here, both members and models, are more influenced by what is popular in the Western World. While we do have a handful of members/models from Eastern countries, even they are mostly from the "most popular sites" (SM, MFC, CB) and are speaking from experience as such. This site's advice and input are basically 95% based on what WE find popular and profitable.

So all of your SEO based thought process skews your views to be more worldwide and as you said "more concerned about CIS countries". It all sort of makes sense now.

Hmmm....This entire time I thought it was because I could care less about political correctness.
 
I'm assuming MFC is one of the "top two cam sites". What's the other one you were thinking of?
Undoubtably Streamate. Most people on ACF, refer to the big three in no particular order as Chaturbate, MyFreeCams and Streamate.

Also, look at all the industry awards. MFC used to win all the time. I think they once took XBIZ Best Camming Site 4 or 5 years in a row. MFC doesn't win anymore. Sure, it's the opinion of the industry, but there's camming models voting as well. Maybe all the other sites are just better at driving votes.
Awards is a way to establish credibility for a new company or product. I imagine MFC feel they are credible enough and no longer see a return on paying for awards from the marketing budget. They can be bought of course, notice webcam company of the year goes to chaturbate the award sponsor.
 
Undoubtably Streamate. Most people on ACF, refer to the big three in no particular order as Chaturbate, MyFreeCams and Streamate.


Awards is a way to establish credibility for a new company or product. I imagine MFC feel they are credible enough and no longer see a return on paying for awards from the marketing budget. They can be bought of course, notice webcam company of the year goes to chaturbate the award sponsor.

Yeah, I don't know why Streamate didn't immediately come to mind. Flirt4Free has been making some power-plays recently, so I was kind of stuck on them even though I knew that wasn't going to be the answer. I guess that's my B2B-bias. I try to monitor as much of the business-side of things as possible. The moves that companies are making today could shift the playing field years from now. I definetely have my eyes of F4F and Camsoda, of all people, who's really surprising me. I happen to know that Naked.com made some very, very good friends and making some very, very interesting moves, so I'm very interested to see how that pans out.

MFC has been doing some cost-cutting all around the place. I was shocked to see them cut ties with Crak. By the way, does anyone know anything about their affiliate login page and in-house affiliate program? I emailed them about it after they ended their revshare agreement with Crak, they opened my damn email like 50 times from different locations (I seed my shit) and never responded to me.

Asked around the webmaster community and nobody knows anything about it. Had an MFC model reach out to some points-of-contact that she had and they referred her to their 'bring a friend' wiki page which has some insanely shady wording:

  • NO SPAMMING. You may not spam your referral link in any way.
  • NO REFERRING YOURSELF. You will not get tokens if you refer yourself.
  • NO REFERRING FROM MYFREECAMS. Telling guests to join using your link is not allowed.
  • NOT ALL REFERRALS WILL COUNT. Our system does its best to determine legitimate referrals from fraud. Sometimes it makes mistakes.
  • NO COMPLAINING. The system is automatic. If your referral didn't get credited, sorry, there is nothing we can do.
  • NO CHEATING. If you cheat or abuse the system, you will be banned.
This is just for fun
This Bring a Friend program was created to be just a fun way for members to get a few extra free tokens for telling their friends about the site. Please do not try to turn it into something more than that.

Don't spam, don't try to cheat the system, don't try to turn it into a commercial enterprise. And if your tokens do not get credited, please do not complain. Sometimes the system does not work.

This system is not officially supported
We spend all of our time working on the important parts of MyFreeCams.com and that means we spend very little time on this Bring a Friend system which means it is Not officially supported, so you are using it at your own risk.

Your referral may not count, and your tokens may not get credited. Please do not contact us to tell us about this. We are busy with other things and do not have time to support or improve this system. If you do not like it, please do not use it.

Which, at least she got a response, I guess.
 
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Yeah, I don't know why Streamate didn't immediately come to mind. Flirt4Free has been making some power-plays recently, so I was kind of stuck on them even though I knew that wasn't going to be the answer. I guess that's my B2B-bias. I try to monitor as much of the business-side of things as possible. The moves that companies are making today could shift the playing field years from now. I definetely have my eyes of F4F and Camsoda, of all people, who's really surprising me. I happen to know that Naked.com made some very, very good friends and making some very, very interesting moves, so I'm very interested to see how that pans out.

MFC has been doing some cost-cutting all around the place. I was shocked to see them cut ties with Crak. By the way, does anyone know anything about their affiliate login page and in-house affiliate program? I emailed them about it after they ended their revshare agreement with Crak, they opened my damn email like 50 times from different locations (I seed my shit) and never responded to me.
MFC Terms and conditions Section 3 of User Submissions includes 'affiliate', so I figure it is, or was, real. The text is unique according to Google, so NOT some copy and paste.
This license shall include, but is not limited to, the right to copy and transfer your entire profile, or portions thereof, and all its content, including text, pictures, photographs, personal description, and any contact information, to any affiliate or related or partner sites of ours and to post such content on different pages of the Website at our sole discretion.


Asked around the webmaster community and nobody knows anything about it. Had an MFC model reach out to some points-of-contact that she had and they referred her to their 'bring a friend' wiki page which has some insanely shady wording:
I've heard some models (including the model I created a member account through) say the 'bring a friend' thing didn't work, as in it creates no revenue for them. I never tried it, until now, if you want to test it, sign up to MyFreeCams here. I tried using my member accounts for the affiliate login page but the password was not accepted.
 
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MFC Terms and conditions Section 3 of User Submissions includes 'affiliate', so I figure it is, or was, real. The text is unique according to Google, so NOT some copy and paste.

I've heard some models say the 'bring a friend' thing didn't work, as in it creates no revenue for them. I never tried it, until now, if you want to test it, sign up to MFC here. I tried using my member account for the affiliate login page but the password was not accepted.

Crak does still offer a PPL program. Think it's a dollar per free signup. You have to manually apply and get approved for it though. If you want I can shoot an email to Erik over there and expedite the process. I've got some wonderful rapport with them.

I'm not a huge fan of PPL, personally. Sure, I make $2 per day off MFC from it, but I'm actually still making more money off the older revshare referrals.

They also offer deep model linking. It's not the greatest and hits the homepage then kind of does what I'm assuming is a meta-refresh, redirecting to the model chatroom.

Might want to ask them if it's still supported. I know they changed around their domains for the affiliate links, and not really doing business with MFC anymore, they might not have bothered updating it.

Crak's been suggesting that their webmasters start using a different revshare program of theirs instead. Forget which site they've been trying to transition webmasters to. It's a whitelabel / landing page style thing for a camming site and doesn't link directly to the camming site. Obviously it doesn't do anyone with directory-style pages (like me) or MFC models (like you).
 
You are losing me with the jargon. What is PPL?
Are you refering to http://blog.crakrevenue.com/my-free-cams-payout-bump-at-4-ppl/


Sorry, affiliate marketing lingo. Forget sometimes that not all camming models are also doing affiliate marketing, which they all should be. It's a great way to hedge self-promotion, as you could be getting a commission or revshare for any new signups, regardless of whether they spend on you or not. If they do spend on you, it's like double-dipping, especially if it's a revshare program.

PPL = "Pay Per Lead". These programs offer a couple bucks for free registrations. Pretty much the only people using these are those ewhoring fuckers posing as models.

PPS = "Pay Per Sale". Commissions for each sale. In the camming industry, these programs will pay you X-amount of dollars after the referral buys X-amount of tokens.

CPA = "Cost Per Action" very similar to PPS, but slightly different. For example; User downloads something or completes a survey.

Revshare = "Revenue-sharing". Get a percentage of all your referrals spendings. Sometimes it's lifetime and sometimes it's duration-based. For example; SkyPrivate will pay a revshare for the 1st year and LiveJasmin has a tiered system where it's a different percentage for the first few months, then drops.

Webmaster Referral = Get paid for referring webmasters / affiliates to the programs. This was my main gig before I jumped into the camming industry.

Model Referral = Something that's unique to the camming / amateur industry, but we're in the industry, so it's relevant. Most programs are commission-based, but some are revshare.

How is or how was, a revshare referral link created?

Now you kind of lost me, lol. Are you talking about the 5% for referring other affiliates? Or the lifetime revshare that used to be offered?

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The 5% webmaster referral is under Make More $$$, the other affiliate offers are under Web Offers or Mobile Offers.
 
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Just quoting so you get the announcement

If you ever want to learn more about affiliate marketing, feel free to holler me. The forum works just fine, and can also shoot an email to info@webcamstartup.com. It's how I've been making all my money for the last couple years. Camming affiliate marketing is fucking money too. I've dabbled as an adult webmaster before, and the traffic doesn't convert. No one wants to pay for porn anymore. I was shocked when I started seeing customer conversions on Chaturbate. Like quite literally shocked. I wasn't even targeting customer traffic and was pre-conditioned to adult affiliate programs not being profitable.

But yeah, any questions, shoot them my way. I run resource sites. Answering questions is kind of what I do ;)
 
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