xstreamium said:
Sounds legit, I hate those pesky age verification and tax forms, they're really holding us back as an industry.
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Sounds legit, I hate those pesky age verification and tax forms, they're really holding us back as an industry.
So they can get instant refunds at any time AND you're not even doing thorough age verification on either parties???
I'm sure you mean well but this post kind of exposes an alarming lack of understanding of that which you're trying to undertake.
"If a member is disconnected, they get an instant refund and there's nothing we can do to stop that refund"
This is just... so if I'm a member and I do a ten minute private and then switch my router off, do I get an instant refund? Has the cam girl now just done a ten minute private for free?
"No middleman for payments"
So... you're expecting models and members submit their credit card details directly to you? Not a trusted company like Payoneer but a brand new upstart company with no prior experience in their field? And you say that you having no control over the payments is a good thing, but it really does sound like a pretty terrible thing...
"Hey, I've been charged too much!"
"Sorry! We have no control over that!"
"Hey, I didn't get paid for this private!"
"Sorry! We have no control over that!"
"Hey, this model didn't do what she promised to do in our private. Can I get a refund?"
Sorry! We have no control over that!"
"No forms, just 3 clicks and you're camming!"
You can't possibly be serious, can you? How do I, as member of your site, know that I'm not talking to and potentially jerking off to a minor? If that ever happened and I found out, I'd be more than a little tempted to sue the shit out of you.
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mynameisbob84 said:
Given the sometimes unpredictable nature of the legal system, I would be a little more tempted to grind every hard drive in sight to dust and go lay low in a monastery in Tibet for a couple of decades.
One thing that jumps out at me. This site is ready to go live in a week or so, but only now are models being approached for input? Does not bode well methinks...
GenXoxo said:
Will it is pesky a lot of girls don't want to do such things they just want to get going and get paid.
xKatieBabyx said:
There is no need as the site is nothing but a directory of links. The software is responsible for it not us as we are merely a directory say like the piratebay. Of course there will be 'report' a link.
You only pay for what you want to see so if your cut short you get a full refund. No, the camgirl is paid for the 4 minutes the user used.
"No middleman for payments"
No, there are no credit cards being used.
We are a directory of links we aren't serving the streams on our server. Of course, we'll have a report button as such.
I have a feeling I came to the wrong place to ask such things on this site. I was more just trying to help better empower the whole webcam experience on all fronts. Nobody seems interested in something different and totally new. So I'll take what I've been given and move along as such. I figured maybe SOMEONE would be interested in make the site that is already built a ton better , but people want to look back it seems. No worries! It isn't for everyone I get it
How does one lock a topic on this ?
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:lol:Nobody seems interested in something different and totally new. So I'll take what I've been given and move along as such. I figured maybe SOMEONE would be interested in make the site that is already built a ton better , but people want to look back it seems. No worries! It isn't for everyone I get it
AmberCutie said::lol:Nobody seems interested in something different and totally new. So I'll take what I've been given and move along as such. I figured maybe SOMEONE would be interested in make the site that is already built a ton better , but people want to look back it seems. No worries! It isn't for everyone I get it
You are the admin can you lock this topic down as its proving no use to anyone here I'll just move on no worries.
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xstreamium said:
It's not like there are some silly laws that you have to comply with regarding porn. Oh, no, you don't have to have age verification on file or anything!
Good luck with that!
SaffronBurke said:xstreamium said:
It's not like there are some silly laws that you have to comply with regarding porn. Oh, no, you don't have to have age verification on file or anything!
Good luck with that!
We aren't responsible for what people do on the software as its p2p all we are is a link ( and yes people can report a link ) . If we were a site with full streams on our servers then yes you are correct. So yes once again the laws wouldn't apply to us it applies to the software creator not us. Just like we have no control over the stream its impossible as its decentralized. You just don't understand the technology that is the problem. But its fine no worries
It always surprises me that potential site owners will come to a giant group of camgirls, and rather than saying "maybe what I'm offering isn't as useful or innovative as I think", determine "you guys just don't get it and aren't interested". :lol: Everyone's wrong but me!!!!
A lot of models are willing to try new sites (look how popular ManyVids got), but if you'd done an iota of research you'd see how many sites collapse without warning, leaving unpaid models and displaced members. You need to build trust amongst your models, and your members. You definitely didn't do that (Also omg the age verification thing, I'm sure your site will enjoy a long and prosperous run, hope Juju doesn't hear about it).
I look forward to seeing the announcement on all the major media outlets :lol:
A lot of models are willing to try new sites (look how popular ManyVids got), but if you'd done an iota of research you'd see how many sites collapse without warning, leaving unpaid models and displaced members. You need to build trust amongst your models, and your members. You definitely didn't do that (Also omg the age verification thing, I'm sure your site will enjoy a long and prosperous run, hope Juju doesn't hear about it).
I look forward to seeing the announcement on all the major media outlets :lol:
GenXoxo said:
Well part of the problem most are stuck on the old technology and aren't willing to think outside the box. This technology has nothing to do with current websites so there is lack of understanding of how it works. It isn't everyone is wrong but me ...I'm just pointing out what it can do better and people aren't understanding it. But, that is fine. I was more just wondering what camgirls look for in a site so not sure how it turned into you shouldn't do it , you aren't good enough, it will cost you to much lol .... its like really ? What are you my mothers ? haha...
I understand that totally I never said it wouldn't fail I just said I'm prepared better then the previous ones because I literally have probably less then 1/3 their costs hence the reason they failed!
And yes, it will be on major media sites already has been ( the technology ) that is now they are looking to introduce it to webcams and we are the first to do so.
If people aren't understanding, then explain it. Clearly I don't understand it and wouldn't sign up to a site where I'll be broadcast next to underage girls or scat play or whatever else this software allows. Maybe I am misinterpreting it, but having models understand your site is extremely important - can you explain how this works and how it is legal?
I can guarantee that if you want professional models, you need to verify their age and provide them with tax forms. It's not complicated at all, but it is necessary if you want to bring over any currently successful models.
I can guarantee that if you want professional models, you need to verify their age and provide them with tax forms. It's not complicated at all, but it is necessary if you want to bring over any currently successful models.
So what is it exactly that your website offers? MFC for example provides cam girls with a platform to cam from, it brings them traffic generated by ad campaigns, it hosts pic sets for members to buy, it offers tech support and pays models through a trusted third party payment processor. Models don't pay MFC a single cent. Instead, the site takes its money from the members when they buy their tokens.
If that's a basic example of how a traditional cam site works, what will your site be doing differently and what will make it better?
Also! Your website as it stands seems to be aimed at a group of cam girls who either don't exist, or wouldn't be able to use your site anyway.
"Tired of webmaster pimps?"
If a model has a "webmaster pimp" it's because they either don't have the space to cam from or can't afford a computer/internet connection, and joining a studio is their only practical way to cam. So these models won't be joining your site unless you offer them what the physical studios offer them. Models who don't work for studios, don't have "webmaster pimps".
"Tired of ridiculously unfair cam site charges?"
Models don't generally pay to cam and there are no charges with the cam site directly. Models earn 100% of every token they are tipped. The cam sites (generally) take their cut from the member's end.
"Bitcoin"
Bitcoin isn't trusted in the same way that cold hard cash is. I think you'll struggle finding models who would choose to be paid in bitcoins over cash.
If that's a basic example of how a traditional cam site works, what will your site be doing differently and what will make it better?
Also! Your website as it stands seems to be aimed at a group of cam girls who either don't exist, or wouldn't be able to use your site anyway.
"Tired of webmaster pimps?"
If a model has a "webmaster pimp" it's because they either don't have the space to cam from or can't afford a computer/internet connection, and joining a studio is their only practical way to cam. So these models won't be joining your site unless you offer them what the physical studios offer them. Models who don't work for studios, don't have "webmaster pimps".
"Tired of ridiculously unfair cam site charges?"
Models don't generally pay to cam and there are no charges with the cam site directly. Models earn 100% of every token they are tipped. The cam sites (generally) take their cut from the member's end.
"Bitcoin"
Bitcoin isn't trusted in the same way that cold hard cash is. I think you'll struggle finding models who would choose to be paid in bitcoins over cash.
GenXoxo said:
You don't broadcast on our site per say. The link is something you sign up for elsewhere ( we have it embedded this site as an iframe in our website of the site you sign up at ) so you are signing up with their site not ours. All you are signing up with us is to link your link to our directory of other links. So you aren't streaming from our website ( technically speaking ) you are just streaming from your computer which you might say will 'duh'. I'm just saying the technology is p2p there is nothing between it no website, no server all your doing is creating a link with the software ( on that site ) to stream p2p with the end user. I guess another way to address your question is to ask is yahoo.com responsible for links that go to underaged girls/scat sites ? And, usually people report it and its taken down same way here.
Well with Bitcoin you decide what you want to do with it tax wise so technically that falls on the person to take care of not us , as 100 % of the profits goes to them. This system is truly 100 % gives you complete control of everything. We are just a directory of links to your shows. Thanks for asking to clarify not sure how much it helped. I'll post a screenshot of the site in action if need be.
mynameisbob84 said:
Haha no worries myameisbob84 I know I should have known better then bringing something so complex technology speaking here. Oops :0
This is why its probably best to just lock this thread up and move on and I already have a few dozen webcam girls signed up who understand it. They still want to know more about Bitcoin etc.,etc. I'll answer your post also.
So, like a bitcoin version of CamModelDirectory or SkyPrivate?
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Thinking that models and members aren't technologically literate is absolutely insulting. Your description of your site is a mess in your post above. It's not us that are dumb, it's you that are terrible at explaining things.
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Rude. As. Fuck. :hand:xstreamium said:
Thinking that models and members aren't technologically literate is absolutely insulting. Your description of your site is a mess in your post above. It's not us that are dumb, it's you that are terrible at explaining things.
Why so condescending, though?
What is it with bitcoin dudes assuming anyone who isn't interested just isn't as smart/cool/etc as they are? Sounds like teenagers when their mom tells them to turn down the shitty emo music. I've used bitcoins a handful of times, it was fine, still don't see it as a huge game-changer for the industry and most of my regulars aren't interested. Again just shows how little you know of the industry you want to revolutionize.
What is it with bitcoin dudes assuming anyone who isn't interested just isn't as smart/cool/etc as they are? Sounds like teenagers when their mom tells them to turn down the shitty emo music. I've used bitcoins a handful of times, it was fine, still don't see it as a huge game-changer for the industry and most of my regulars aren't interested. Again just shows how little you know of the industry you want to revolutionize.
mynameisbob84 said:
I'm not saying what is out there doesn't work it clearly does. I was just using technology that is out there to create ( in my opinion obviously and a few others I know ) a more empowering / trustless system that allows YOU the creator of content to benefit 100 % .
We are in beta meaning its being tried out behind the scenes. The sites itself will be launched with a directory of links that will stream pay-per-secoind-bitcoin model. Webcam sites are taking a cut and we are just eliminating this aspect.
While this could be the case I do think having 4 billion dollars worth of it out there its worth going after and you could be right , it could be a personal choice.
Yes, it's my lack of technological understanding that's preventing me from using this site.
AerynShade said:
This subject is complex I admit it. Sometimes even for me it can be complex. That isn't being rude that is reality.
GenXoxo said:
I never said it was a game changer I came here asking what you all think makes a great camsite nothing more and nothing less. I think Bitcoin and pay-per-streaming is a pretty cool feature that should be used. Should I be shot for that ?
You're not starting a cam site so I'm not sure why you need input on what we think makes a good one.
You're making a directory. Those do already exist. You are nothing revolutionary.
You're making a directory. Those do already exist. You are nothing revolutionary.
Not really sure why I'm here arguing with people ? if you don't want to tell me what you think makes a great cam website then no worries. Like I said lets just lock this thread down and call it a day. I'll move on no worries. Admin ?
AmberCutie said:
Because I want to add additional things to the directory the directory has profiles around the streams which can add new cool things. Just wanted people to think outside the box for this and never said it was a revolutionary idea. Not sure why people are putting words in my mouth ?
See the part I bolded in my previous quote/reply here.AmberCutie said::lol:Nobody seems interested in something different and totally new. So I'll take what I've been given and move along as such. I figured maybe SOMEONE would be interested in make the site that is already built a ton better , but people want to look back it seems. No worries! It isn't for everyone I get it
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