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I sent the following letter to MFC:

Dear MFC,

I have an idea for a relatively easily enabled additional functionality which could be added to MFC, which would allow models (and MFC) to gain additional revenue with no more than a minimal setup cost to MFC, and minimal additional effort on the part of both models and customers. Specifically, I ask you to consider the following proposition for the creation of an online MFC video store.

Many models -- perhaps ten percent or more, based on my own brief survey -- have some number of videos for sale for tips of a set amounts of tokens. These videos come in all different formats and, naturally, are typically hosted at locations on other websites which allow people to upload the large file sizes involved and password protect the product. But, to a person seeking to browse generally all videos offered by MFC models, the task is impossible, because there exists no centralized repository of these videos, or of information about them. In order to allow such 'browsing' to be carried out, and thusly to increase the probability that customers will spend tokens on the purchase of videos, I propose the creation of an online MFC video store. The online MFC video store would have two components, a model-facing upload interface, and a customer-facing purchase-and-download interface.

The model-facing interface would permit models to upload videos from their personal computer to a designated storage space on MFC's server, in just the same way as they are now able to do with images. The model, in uploading the video, would be given the option of providing a brief description (perhaps in the range of a few hundred characters) and to classify the video along a number of lines; for example, by number and type of participants -- solo, girl/girl, boy/girl, three girls, 2 girls/1 boy, 2 boys/1 girl, orgy -- by type of acts involved -- shower, striptease, masturbation, penetration with toys, oral sex, anal sex -- by length of video; and by cost in tokens, including any promotional bundling (wherein for example two specified individual videos might cost 150 tokens, but if bought as a pair would cost a total of 250 tokens). All of this information would be input by the model, who would be responsible for its correctness. The model would, as well, have a master page of all of her own uploaded videos (formatted much like the existing page for uploaded images, but vertically arranged), wherein usage statistics would be available (specifically, the number of purchases and perhaps the time of day and geographical location of the purchaser) and where the model-provided information relating to individual videos could be edited, as well.

The customer-facing interface would permit customers to search the collection of uploaded vids by model name, and by the parameters input by the models, for example a customer could easily search for all vids featuring two girls and penetration with toys; or all videos over five minutes in length; or all videos priced between 150 and 200 tokens. Optionally, and again for trivial setup cost, additional parameters could be imported directly from the accounts of the uploading models themselves, so that the customer could for example search for videos by "blond" models, by "Canadian" models, by models identifying as having an "athletic" body type, or by "twenty-seven-year-old" models. Like any online store, the customer would either be able to indicate which videos he wished to purchase, gather them in a 'cart,' and and then pay the store through his tokens for the collection, or to immediately purchase individual videos without going to a collective checkout. Upon making such a purchase, the customer would receive a temporary, automatically generated access code with which to download each desired video. A customer having too few tokens to complete a desired purchase would be given an immediate opportunity to purchase additional tokens sufficient to cover the purchase, so long as the amount needed fell within that customer's existing limitation on the number of tokens able to be held in their MFC accounts. The payment, once made, would be distributed between MFC and the model in the same manner as any regular offline tip.

Naturally, the same geographic restrictions models are able to exercise over their rooms would apply to their videos; if a customer was located in a geographically blocked region relative to any especial model, the vids for that model would simply not appear in that customer's search. Additionally, models could limit access to view information about their videos to premium members, so that members not able to actually purchase videos would be unable to see what offerings that model had. The default setting would be the visibility of available videos, in order to encourage non-premium members to obtain premium accounts for the purchase of videos.

In addition to enabling customers to find videos which meet their interests, implementation of an online MFC video store would permit MFC to avoid models engaging in entirely offsite transactions for the sale of videos, which deprive MFC of revenue generated by those models as a result of their MFC activities. MFC would be able to engage in a degree of tracking of customer video purchase preferences. MFC would additionally continue to obtain the benefit of the video sales even if the models themselves were absent for long periods of time and were not actively engaged in promoting the sale of their own videos. The responsibility for removing videos from the store would rest wholly with the models, and so a model who left MFC entirely without removing uploaded videos would continue to generate revenue for MFC (and herself) through those video sales, even after having ceased to participate as an active model on MFC.

I heard nothing back, so maybe they're running with it or maybe they're ignoring it. But I think it would be a great resource, if there were a page where all models could post links to vids for sale, and members could peruse those offerings and parse them by especial interest. If MFC doesn't want to do something with this, then somebody ought to and perhaps I will....
 
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Pandeist said:
I sent the following letter to MFC:

Dear MFC,

I have an idea for a relatively easily enabled additional functionality which could be added to MFC, which would allow models (and MFC) to gain additional revenue with no more than a minimal setup cost to MFC, and minimal additional effort on the part of both models and customers. Specifically, I ask you to consider the following proposition for the creation of an online MFC video store.

Many models -- perhaps ten percent or more, based on my own brief survey -- have some number of videos for sale for tips of a set amounts of tokens. These videos come in all different formats and, naturally, are typically hosted at locations on other websites which allow people to upload the large file sizes involved and password protect the product. But, to a person seeking to browse generally all videos offered by MFC models, the task is impossible, because there exists no centralized repository of these videos, or of information about them. In order to allow such 'browsing' to be carried out, and thusly to increase the probability that customers will spend tokens on the purchase of videos, I propose the creation of an online MFC video store. The online MFC video store would have two components, a model-facing upload interface, and a customer-facing purchase-and-download interface.

The model-facing interface would permit models to upload videos from their personal computer to a designated storage space on MFC's server, in just the same way as they are now able to do with images. The model, in uploading the video, would be given the option of providing a brief description (perhaps in the range of a few hundred characters) and to classify the video along a number of lines; for example, by number and type of participants -- solo, girl/girl, boy/girl, three girls, 2 girls/1 boy, 2 boys/1 girl, orgy -- by type of acts involved -- shower, striptease, masturbation, penetration with toys, oral sex, anal sex -- by length of video; and by cost in tokens, including any promotional bundling (wherein for example two specified individual videos might cost 150 tokens, but if bought as a pair would cost a total of 250 tokens). All of this information would be input by the model, who would be responsible for its correctness. The model would, as well, have a master page of all of her own uploaded videos (formatted much like the existing page for uploaded images, but vertically arranged), wherein usage statistics would be available (specifically, the number of purchases and perhaps the time of day and geographical location of the purchaser) and where the model-provided information relating to individual videos could be edited, as well.

The customer-facing interface would permit customers to search the collection of uploaded vids by model name, and by the parameters input by the models, for example a customer could easily search for all vids featuring two girls and penetration with toys; or all videos over five minutes in length; or all videos priced between 150 and 200 tokens. Optionally, and again for trivial setup cost, additional parameters could be imported directly from the accounts of the uploading models themselves, so that the customer could for example search for videos by "blond" models, by "Canadian" models, by models identifying as having an "athletic" body type, or by "twenty-seven-year-old" models. Like any online store, the customer would either be able to indicate which videos he wished to purchase, gather them in a 'cart,' and and then pay the store through his tokens for the collection, or to immediately purchase individual videos without going to a collective checkout. Upon making such a purchase, the customer would receive a temporary, automatically generated access code with which to download each desired video. A customer having too few tokens to complete a desired purchase would be given an immediate opportunity to purchase additional tokens sufficient to cover the purchase, so long as the amount needed fell within that customer's existing limitation on the number of tokens able to be held in their MFC accounts. The payment, once made, would be distributed between MFC and the model in the same manner as any regular offline tip.

Naturally, the same geographic restrictions models are able to exercise over their rooms would apply to their videos; if a customer was located in a geographically blocked region relative to any especial model, the vids for that model would simply not appear in that customer's search. Additionally, models could limit access to view information about their videos to premium members, so that members not able to actually purchase videos would be unable to see what offerings that model had. The default setting would be the visibility of available videos, in order to encourage non-premium members to obtain premium accounts for the purchase of videos.

In addition to enabling customers to find videos which meet their interests, implementation of an online MFC video store would permit MFC to avoid models engaging in entirely offsite transactions for the sale of videos, which deprive MFC of revenue generated by those models as a result of their MFC activities. MFC would be able to engage in a degree of tracking of customer video purchase preferences. MFC would additionally continue to obtain the benefit of the video sales even if the models themselves were absent for long periods of time and were not actively engaged in promoting the sale of their own videos. The responsibility for removing videos from the store would rest wholly with the models, and so a model who left MFC entirely without removing uploaded videos would continue to generate revenue for MFC (and herself) through those video sales, even after having ceased to participate as an active model on MFC.

I heard nothing back, so maybe they're running with it or maybe they're ignoring it. But I think it would be a great resource, if there were a page where all models could post links to vids for sale, and members could peruse those offerings and parse them by especial interest. If MFC doesn't want to do something with this, then somebody ought to and perhaps I will....
Historically, MFC tends to ignore messages which are not short and sweet. I know you put a lot of thought in to this, but it does come across as a little pedantic. It is one thing to say, "Yo MFC, you should have a video system," and another to explain to the admin how a sorting system would work and telling them, "Naturally, the same geographic restrictions models are able to exercise over their rooms would apply to their videos..." A lot of the stuff you say sounds like you are their boss and instructing them how to make a video system suited to you, and if I were an admin reading that, I would think that the guy who wrote it has zero respect for my intelligence.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with programming/site building, but creating an entire massive video hosting section to any website is going to be expensive, especially considering the hosting costs. MFC has thousands of models and some models have hundreds of videos. It would be very likely that any video hosted by MFC would have very long upload/download times, be degraded in quality, and have file size limits. One thing I am VERY happy with is that I have my own personal site to which I can easily upload videos, and because I pay for hosting, the download time is quick as well.

Also, I am not sure if you understand how offline tipping works. When models are tipped offline, MFC does not take part of that money from us. MFC gets their cut when members buy tokens, not when members tip models. Having a video portion would not stop models from selling videos through third-party payment systems. And if they put one up, I could see the lounge flooded with members not only advertising model's stolen videos for sale, but offering great deals on the newest uploads from dozens of models at a time. Models are already hard-pressed to sell videos before they are leaked, and if new videos from every model were advertised at a central location, models would probably get paid for far fewer of them.

Beyond that, MFC would likely not host any videos with men. The reason models sign contracts with MFC is because they could get in serious legal trouble if they were selling videos with unregistered people who could be minors. It's one thing if I upload a video with my girlfriend, but quite another if I expect MFC to host it for me. They would either refuse or I would have to submit two forms of photo ID and have her sign a waiver.

Having a video section of the site is fine in theory, but I see little to no chance MFC will ever do it.

Beyond that, there are dozens of good websites that many models already use to sell their videos, like Clips4Sale and Extralunchmoney. It's not as if there is a lack of resources for people to sell pornography online.
 
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Bocefish said:
Not to mention there are several other sites that do this which MFC has purchased.
pics plz
 
Evvie said:
Historically, MFC tends to ignore messages which are not short and sweet. I know you put a lot of thought in to this, but it does come across as a little pedantic. It is one thing to say, "Yo MFC, you should have a video system," and another to explain to the admin how a sorting system would work and telling them, "Naturally, the same geographic restrictions models are able to exercise over their rooms would apply to their videos..." A lot of the stuff you say sounds like you are their boss and instructing them how to make a video system suited to you, and if I were an admin reading that, I would think that the guy who wrote it has zero respect for my intelligence.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with programming/site building, but creating an entire massive video hosting section to any website is going to be expensive, especially considering the hosting costs. MFC has thousands of models and some models have hundreds of videos. It would be very likely that any video hosted by MFC would have very long upload/download times, be degraded in quality, and have file size limits. One thing I am VERY happy with is that I have my own personal site to which I can easily upload videos, and because I pay for hosting, the download time is quick as well.

Also, I am not sure if you understand how offline tipping works. When models are tipped offline, MFC does not take part of that money from us. MFC gets their cut when members buy tokens, not when members tip models. Having a video portion would not stop models from selling videos through third-party payment systems. And if they put one up, I could see the lounge flooded with members not only advertising model's stolen videos for sale, but offering great deals on the newest uploads from dozens of models at a time. Models are already hard-pressed to sell videos before they are leaked, and if new videos from every model were advertised at a central location, models would probably get paid for far fewer of them.

Beyond that, MFC would likely not host any videos with men. The reason models sign contracts with MFC is because they could get in serious legal trouble if they were selling videos with unregistered people who could be minors. It's one thing if I upload a video with my girlfriend, but quite another if I expect MFC to host it for me. They would either refuse or I would have to submit two forms of photo ID and have her sign a waiver.

Having a video section of the site is fine in theory, but I see little to no chance MFC will ever do it.

Beyond that, there are dozens of good websites that many models already use to sell their videos, like Clips4Sale and Extralunchmoney. It's not as if there is a lack of resources for people to sell pornography online.

A fair analysis. I was trying to be thorough and not so much pedantic, but even taking out the hosting and purchasing aspect, it'd be nice to have one place where MFC model vids are indexed so that a member looking to get something suiting his tastes (from a model he might already like, or might wish to visit in the future) can peruse what's available in broad strokes.
 
I would bet money they already have considered this and either passed on it because they just don't want to, or are considering it for the future.

People are constantly sending me suggestions on things I could be doing or selling as if the only reason I'm not doing them is because I hadn't thought of it. I've considered a ton of new ideas, but for the most part I am content with my current set up and choose not to. When someone tells me I should do this or that, sometimes I actually feel a tad insulted that they think I wasn't smart enough to have already thought of it.

Regardless of what some people may think of the owners of MFC, I believe they know the business and what their competitors offer, etc. It's a tad silly to think they haven't already thought about this.

:twocents-02cents:
 
Shaun__ said:
Maybe you should get with fewrgfggg and start a campaign Pandeist.
Hah! I get it.
 
This has been my experience:
Historically, MFC tends to ignore messages

In addition to what has been said, I'd like to add:

*If MFC wanted to have a video sales site, they could stock it with the (rumored) hundreds of terabytes of archived streams. And they wouldn't have to give the models a single token.

*I do not see this being an advantage for the models. So you ask a model where her videos are, do you think she wants to send you to a page/site where there are hundreds, or maybe thousands of other model's videos to browse?
 
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Bocefish said:
Not to mention there are several other sites that do this which MFC has purchased.
pics plz
I only know one: CamWhores, that now belongs to the same company that owns MFC.
 
Bocefish said:
Yeah, that site and Naked.com has archived videos, some free and some for sale. I heard MFC bought them out last year.
As far as I know, Naked.com still belongs to the porn empire of Reality Kings. Which explains why we find so many RK porn actresses camming there.
 
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Pandeist said:
I sent the following letter to MFC:



I heard nothing back, so maybe they're running with it or maybe they're ignoring it. But I think it would be a great resource, if there were a page where all models could post links to vids for sale, and members could peruse those offerings and parse them by especial interest. If MFC doesn't want to do something with this, then somebody ought to and perhaps I will....

What do you mean by this line?
 
HoldItNow said:
Pandeist said:
I sent the following letter to MFC:



I heard nothing back, so maybe they're running with it or maybe they're ignoring it. But I think it would be a great resource, if there were a page where all models could post links to vids for sale, and members could peruse those offerings and parse them by especial interest. If MFC doesn't want to do something with this, then somebody ought to and perhaps I will....

What do you mean by this line?
I believe he is suggesting that because there is no place on the Internet for a woman to sell sexual clips and videos of herself, he is going to create a resource to do so.

It also seems, however, that this fellow is a spammer trying to start a grass-roots campaign for his unique and new idea, given his multiple accounts posting on the subject.
 
Evvie said:
I believe he is suggesting that because there is no place on the Internet for a woman to sell sexual clips and videos of herself, he is going to create a resource to do so.

You beat me too it.

Evvie said:
It also seems, however, that this fellow is a spammer trying to start a grass-roots campaign for his unique and new idea, given his multiple accounts posting on the subject.

The spambot from this morning is probably unrelated to him. One did the same thing to another member before.
 
Spambot was unrelated. They take a snippet from a recent post and copy/paste it so it looks almost legit to someone who hasn't already read the copied topic, then add their spam link.
 
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MyCamgirl said:
Evvie said:
Bocefish said:
Not to mention there are several other sites that do this which MFC has purchased.
pics plz
I only know one: CamWhores, that now belongs to the same company that owns MFC.
Camwhores has been owned by the same company as MFC since Admin Kevin took it over from Stile a couple years ago.
 
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Evvie said:
It also seems, however, that this fellow is a spammer trying to start a grass-roots campaign for his unique and new idea, given his multiple accounts posting on the subject.

Where d'you get that idea? No, I only have the one account. I am Pandeist here, Pandeism on Twitter and Tumblr and YouTube, Pandeism Fish on E2.... you see, there's a pattern there. ;)
 
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