OSAMA WAS KILLED

[Bocefish]

I'm scared about what will happen next and the people partying and dancing around like idiots sure aren't doing anyone any favours.

The terrorists have wanted most of the western world dead long before the killing of Bin Laden. Being scared is exactly what they want. I'm sick and tired of seeing the U.K. and even the U.S. on occasion bend over backwards catering to those fuckwads. They publicly behead journalists, stone innocent women and children to death and basically torture/slaughter innocent people on a regular basis. Not to mention the disgusting things they do to opposing forces captured before parading their dismembered bodies down the street for public jubilation.

If people can get some sort of closure and/or happiness from the death of the most wanted man in the world, I say good for them.

I just wish I could have been part of the team that ventilated the assholes head.

 

[Cassidy Nicole]

I had my god parents both killed in the world trade centers so I mean yeah I am happy he is dead, we finally caught him... but IMO it is only going to get worse. He wasn't dumb... He had people set up to take his spot and I am sure already had plans in place for when he is captured or died...

 

[Jupiter551]

I think it's a stretch to imply those thousands and thousands of people all had loved ones in the twin towers. In fact, I suspect people who did lose loved ones in the twin towers know better than anyone how hollow this 'revenge' feels.

I'm not at all surprised that people feel satisfaction over this, I'm a bit surprised they'd dance in the street, but the thing I think is really fucked up is that making the death of a man responsible for the planning and funding of an event that killed thousands of innocents into a national party only cheapens the deaths of the innocents and the gravity of the events themselves - and so does making his death a symbol of 'victory'.

There's no victory for anyone whose family died there. I'm sure they wanted those responsible to face punishment, but celebration? I doubt it.

No matter how you add it up, innocent death + death of guy responsible does not = dancing in the street.

Just saying, this stopped being about the victims of September 11 about 9 years ago.

 

[Bocefish]

Just saying, this stopped being about the victims of September 11 about 9 years ago.

Maybe for Australians, but America will...

 

[LaylaAnn]

I honestly think the dancing in the streets is about more then the death of Osama. The country is celebrating what it symbolizes. Fuck with the country and you are dead. If it takes ten years then it takes ten years. We will not stop until you pay. I mean what is the alternative? " You killed thousands but we will let you live in peace because your death wont bring them back and we are afraid of what your idiot buddies might do to us" I`m with Boce on this one. I think Obama should have brought his head out on a stake when he addressed the country :lol:


I do see what Indie and Cassidy are saying and like I said 99 percent of the time I whole heartedly agree. But this isn`t a pissed off husband who murdered his wife in a fit of rage and we are left debating if he deserves the death penalty. This is a man who changed the world in ways we have yet to realize. Terror on this scale is a a whole different ball game.

And yes there were thousands and thousands effected by 9/11. Over 3000 dead . I`m sure each one had family and friends. Let`s not assume to know how they feel right now.

 

[Cassidy Nicole]

I honestly think the dancing in the streets is about more then the death of Osama. The country is celebrating what it symbolizes. Fuck with the country and you are dead. If it takes ten years then it takes ten years. We will not stop until you pay. I mean what is the alternative? " You killed thousands but we will let you live in peace because your death wont bring them back and we are afraid of what your idiot buddies might do to us" I`m with Boce on this one. I think Obama should have brought his head out on a stake when he addressed the country :lol:


I do see what Indie and Cassidy are saying and like I said 99 percent of the time I whole heartedly agree. But this isn`t a pissed off husband who murdered his wife in a fit of rage and we are left debating if he deserves the death penalty. This is a man who changed the world in ways we have yet to realize. Terror on this scale is a a whole different ball game.

And yes there were thousands and thousands effected by 9/11. Over 3000 dead . I`m sure each one had family and friends. Let`s not assume to know how they feel right now.

He deserved what he got completely. Its not this particular guys death it is what it symbolizes. We have fought to get this guys for 10 years, we set out to get him and we did. Like you said he wasnt a pissed off husband who murdered his wife... This was a guy who headed up the world's largest terrorist organization in the world and impacted hundreds of thousands of people, not just from 9/11 but numerous other attacks all over the world.

 

[LaylaAnn]

Exactly Cassidy. I think this is why all the celebration doesn`t bother me like it would in any other circumstance. A family member of a victim of 9/11 was quoted saying ," Celebrating a person`s death is unnatural, but this feels natural."
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I also share your fear in what may happen next, but what else are we to do. If a extremist fuckface wingnut attacks our country and we do nothing out of fear of retribution, then we are screwed. That is a dangerous message to send. Also I think it should be noted that Bin Laden has been somewhat irrelevant in the Al Qaeda world for quite some time now. There is a new generation of terrorists that have literally not heard of him. I`m sure he has some devout followers that are highly pissed, but he wasn`t the terror kingpin with thousands of followers at the time of his death.

 

[LilyPink]

There's so much propaganda in America. I never truely understood the extent of it until now. Do you really know what goes on in the countries that the western allies have invaded? People have died there too. Innocent people. And probably more than 3000. There will always be war and innocent people will always be killed. Your country is not always in the right and you CAN have a different opinion to the one you're being told to have.

 

[Jupiter551]

And yes there were thousands and thousands effected by 9/11. Over 3000 dead . I`m sure each one had family and friends. Let`s not assume to know how they feel right now.

You're right we shouldn't assume we know how they feel but I still doubt they're popping champagne corks.

Not one single person here is condoning or mitigating what he, or other terrorists have done, but if you think the Patriot Act (there's a name that clearly isn't propaganda), the Dept of Homeland Security, increased surveillance and detention powers over your own citizens, and two wars (so far) that have dragged on for like 8 years so far all helped to make the world a safer place than it was on Sept 12 2001, I think you're extremely naive.

Maybe for Australians, but America will...

That's not what I meant Boce, I meant that the actual events, and the human impact they had, were eclipsed by the media circus and the "War on Terror" a loooong time ago. Was weeks of 24 hour news coverage of the plane flying over and over into a building really a tasteful and respectful patriotic hug for the families of the victims? Or just newsporn for everyone else?

I deplore the acts of terror and loss of human life...and I also deplore the tawdry commercialization of the entire thing.

I think it's really sad that media, and your (former) administration made agreeing with every single policy and being a patriot completely indivisible.

Anyone who spoke out in your country against even the slightest thing touching on the war on terror was labelled anti-american, despite professing their outrage and horror at the sept 11 attacks. If you guys have to sacrifice some of your greatest ideals of freedom I think that's really sad, because in the past some of America's most respected patriots were the ones who had the courage to speak out in opposition of public opinion.

 

[Bocefish]

Your country is not always in the right and you CAN have a different opinion to the one you're being told to have.

Thanks Lily, I would have never guessed we have that right, being a veteran and all. I somewhat agree about the MSM and their propaganda tactics. Nobody is perfect, but for the most part, we at least try to get things right.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

A few points...

1- It's not just about 9/11, though that was the moment that changed everything. Osama was on the FBI's Most Wanted list BEFORE 9/11 happened. His words, actions and money (for he had quite a bit of it) led to the deaths of thousands of innocents all over the world. Men, women, children. Christian, Jewish, Muslim. He and his followers didn't discriminate and won't discriminate in who they kill. They just use Islam as a means to explain their violent actions.

2- There are those who say that it will lead to retaliation. And that may be true. Just keep in mind that Osama was the one all the rest of them all swore loyalty to. So despite the fact that it's not the end of the fight, this is still a major defeat for them.

3- Yes, it's weird to be celebrating someone's death. And yes, this won't bring back all who have died. But this is a man (if you can call such an inhumane being a "man") who's name will forever be listed with Hitler, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan and others as the worst people ever to inhabit the universe. And if this brings some closure to the family and friends of those who've lost someone from the acts of his followers and they feel the need to celebrate, than who are we to tell them no?

 

[LaylaAnn]

Not one single person here is condoning or mitigating what he, or other terrorists have done, but if you think the Patriot Act (there's a name that clearly isn't propaganda), the Dept of Homeland Security, increased surveillance and detention powers over your own citizens, and two wars (so far) that have dragged on for like 8 years so far all helped to make the world a safer place than it was on Sept 12 2001, I think you're extremely naive.

Did someone say that? I must have missed it.

There's so much propaganda in America. I never truely understood the extent of it until now. Do you really know what goes on in the countries that the western allies have invaded? People have died there too. Innocent people. And probably more than 3000. There will always be war and innocent people will always be killed. Your country is not always in the right and you CAN have a different opinion to the one you're being told to have.

Well I personally like my opinion spoon fed to me, but we are getting off topic. A life lost is tragic no matter where it is. We weren`t discussing the war in the middle east. That is a whole other debate. I`m just relieved to turn on the television and see something other then the coverage of the royal wedding.

 

[Bocefish]

Another thought for conspiracy theorists...

Osama Bin Laden and Adolf Hitler both were announced dead on May 1st. Isn't it interesting that these two notorious murderers and terrorists lost their lives on nearly the same day? Along those lines... it was at precisely 2230 hours that a newsreader announced the death of Adolf Hitler on May 1, 1945. It was at exactly 2230 hours on May 1, 2011 that President Barack Obama announced the news from the White House that Osama Bin Laden was dead.

Coincidence?

 

[LaylaAnn]

Can I also just add that these are the things that should be debated. We should hear every opinion and there are bound to be dozens. Important matters should be brought front and center and everyone should get involved in the debate. I just don`t want it to become personal. Lets keep in mind that although our views may differ, there is no need for any personal attacks. These discussions inevitably get heated, as they should, but I want to go on the record saying I respect everyone here and their opinions. Even if they are wrong :lol: That was totally a joke by the way

 

[LaylaAnn]

Another thought for conspiracy theorists...

Osama Bin Laden and Adolf Hitler both were annonced dead on May 1st. Isn't it interesting that these two notorious murderers and terrorists lost their lives on nearly the same day? Along those lines... it was at precisely 2230 hours that a newsreader announced the death of Adolf Hitler on May 1, 1945. It was at exactly 2230 hours on May 1, 2011 that President Barack Obama announced the news from the White House that Osama Bin Laden was dead.

Coincidence?

Interesting Boce. They kept saying he was supposed to be on at 1030p but he was delayed

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I am a leftist, liberal, whatever you wish to call it. I was one of those that was allowed to enjoy to be called unpatriotic and anti-american because of my not supporting G.W. Bush, and the war.

I still stand by my belief that the invasion of Iraq was based on a pile of bullshit and would like to see soldiers return as soon as possible, HOWEVER, Bin Laden has been a top the most wanted list far before 9/11/2001 and has done whatever he could to cause death and terror to western civilization and anyone that opposed him and is more than just an idea or a belief he is a person.

I'm not going to tell people how to spontaneously react to the news and have the emotional release that they did, much like how the fans at the Phillies Mets game last night started chanting USA as soon as the news came out before the players even knew what was going on.

 

[Rose]

Can I also just add that these are the things that should be debated. We should hear every opinion and there are bound to be dozens. Important matters should be brought front and center and everyone should get involved in the debate. I just don`t want it to become personal. Lets keep in mind that although our views may differ, there is no need for any personal attacks. These discussions inevitably get heated, as they should, but I want to go on the record saying I respect everyone here and their opinions. Even if they are wrong :lol: That was totally a joke by the way

agreed. my only stance on this is that i'm ready for my dad to be able to FINALLY start wrapping up his mission so he can come home completely. he's been active duty for over 23 years and in the army for over 26...my (barely) 18 year old brother is shipping off to basic in less than a month too. i'm just sick of this war dragging on and stealing my family away from me. my grandfather was in vietnam and too many other relatives have been in various wars as well. my dad has been on every single DAMNED tour to help fix the problems these damn terrorists have caused. before this year, i was lucky to see him once every 2 years... all this celebration seems hollow and unwarranted because i still don't have my father back and now i'm losing my brother.

 

[nerdguy]

Did you all hear how he was found? The CIA found his leaked PSN info.


(seriously I laughed hard when I heard that one)

 

[nerdguy]

On to a serious note, since I can't figure out to edit the post I made above.

Do you think that we can finally get closure for 9/11 now?

 

[Eva_ChangeN]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sour ... ecade.html


Check that link out...I know we all don't need more conspiracies, but hey, why not!

 

[Bocefish]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sour ... ecade.html


Check that link out...I know we all don't need more conspiracies, but hey, why not!

Ya, the long-extinct KGB had him cryo-vac packed for just the right moment and slipped his body into that house just moments before the spec-ops SEAL Team 6 arrived. Oh, and OBL's wife was probably a paid cia informant too.

Do you think that we can finally get closure for 9/11 now?

Everyone grieves in different ways.. but it's likely a good start for many.

 

[kayceecane]

Thanks Lily, I would have never guessed we have that right, being a veteran and all. I

Thanks for your service Boce
:handgestures-salute:

 

[Bocefish]

Thanks for your service Boce
:handgestures-salute:

T'was my pleasure Kaycee

 

[Eva_ChangeN]

Thanks Lily, I would have never guessed we have that right, being a veteran and all. I

Thanks for your service Boce
:handgestures-salute:

Seconded! :thumbleft:

 

[Bocefish]

Eva_ChangeN and everyone.

 

[Mirra]

I am quite glad that Osama is no longer out there because I believe he was at least slightly unique within Al-Qaeda due to his financial means as well as being a devastatingly persuasive force for his radical interpretations of the Koran. I feel a sense of relief despite the fact that I doubt we'll ever know exactly what impact his death will have on the world. I will even say I PERSONALLY feel the operation leading to Osama Bin Laden's death was more justified than what lead to the capture and eventual hanging of Saddam Hussein. I personally didn't dance in the streets. I didn't celebrate at all. That said, the effects of his terrorist acts have been felt much more by people other than myself so I do not feel it is my right to judge them.

As far as the slight disagreements going on in this thread, I'm about to rustle some feathers I fear. I really hope one day the world and the US will be able to understand each other but with how things are right now, I'd sometimes rather not mentioning being proud of being an American simply to avoid crap that gets spewed from the mouths of some people looking to start a fight. While they may have some points that are valid, they tend to be incredibly condescending towards "Americans" as a whole which I, of course, take offense to. Stereotypes may exist for a reason but give us each our chance to prove whether or not we deserve to be lumped into the pile or not, mmmkay? You might find some of us aren't as brainwashed as you might think.

 

[Jupiter551]

I think this is probably a terrible topic to be discussed here, or anywhere really lol.

 

[Bocefish]

The more I think about it... I have to call BS that he was buried at sea. Being prior military, I know we didn't spend all that time and money building a replica compound training site... just to go in there and ventilate the brain pan of the most wanted man in the world without thoroughly interrogating him. AFAIC, the entire buried at sea snowjob is to keep the nutjobs in a holding pattern as long as possible and OBL is probably being interrogated as I type . The only thing that buried at sea scenario is lacking, is the tidy red bow to wrap it all up in to keep the stink at bay.:text-bs: :twocents-02cents:

 

[bawksy]

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[Jupiter551]

The more I think about it... I have to call BS that he was buried at sea. Being prior military, I know we didn't spend all that time and money building a replica compound training site... just to go in there and ventilate the brain pan of the most wanted man in the world without thoroughly interrogating him. AFAIC, the entire buried at sea snowjob is to keep the nutjobs in a holding pattern as long as possible and OBL is probably being interrogated as I type . The only thing that buried at sea scenario is lacking, is the tidy red bow to wrap it all up in to keep the stink at bay.:text-bs: :twocents-02cents:

yeah seriously...after 10 years and billions of dollars there's no way they put a bullet in the guy without interrogating him and if he died during they would be scrupulous about having a body to prove it.

They couldn't be seen to take him alive though...it would have raised questions about international law, questions of what kind of punishment he would face, would there be a trial etc etc...

And that may all seem trivial to the person in the street but the administration needs to keep moral high ground on it...killed during the raid is the only practical political outcome.