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[Poker_Babe]

A mother and son from New Mexico are facing some serious jail time since it was revealed that the two were having an incestuous relationship.

Monica Mares, 36, and Caleb Peterson, 19, face up to 18 months behind bars if the couple is found guilty of incest later this year.

The two, who were estranged for almost two decades, are not denying their incestuous relationship. But they want to be allowed to be together and are even asking others to donate to their legal fund.

The couple says they have gone public with their affair in a bid to raise awareness of Genetic Sexual Attraction (GSA) relationship, which is defined as sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings or half-siblings.

“He is the love of my life and I don't want to lose him. My kids love him, my whole family does. Nothing can come between us. Not courts, or jail, nothing,” Mares told the Daily Mail. “I have to be with him. When I get out of prison, I will move out of Clovis to a state that allows us to be together.”

Unfortunately for Mares, who is the mother of nine and said she would give up rights to see them if it meant she could be with Peterson, incest is a crime in all 50 U.S. states – although the penalties vary greatly from state to state.

The couple – who live separately and are legally banned from having contact – began their relationship about a year ago after the two tracked each other down.....Peterson, whose birth name is Carlos, was put up for adoption soon after the then 16-year-old Mares gave birth to him.

Mares and Peterson say that after they met up they developed feelings for each other and it wasn’t long until the relationship turned sexual.

“It felt like I met somebody new in my life and I fell in love with him,” Mares said. “At first I told him, "I'm sorry I don't know how you are going to react to this. I'm your mom and you're my son, but I'm falling in love with you."

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“He was falling in love with his mom and I was falling in love with my son,” she added. “We talked about it and we took off to the park. I said, ‘Would you ever date your mom?’ And he said: ‘Would you ever date your son?’ And I said, ‘Honest truth yes, I would.’”

While the two were able to live in incestuous bliss for a while – staying in Mares’ mobile home with her two youngest children, an argument between the family and some neighbors eventually led to their relationship becoming public knowledge.

“Honestly I never thought we would get into trouble for our relationship. We were both consenting adults – when it comes down to it,” Peterson said. “She's adult. I'm an adult. I can make my own decisions. I never thought it would blow up into something like this.”

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...n-face-jail-time-for-incestuous-relationship/


So anyways, I'm all for keeping the government out of the bedrooms of consenting adults, but just how the fuck can anyone justify subjecting their minor children to an environment such as this. I mean she has the kids calling him dad ffs. And she's willing to give up her parental rights if that means she gets to keep banging her 19 y/o son. This is just wrong on so many levels. And the fact that they're trying to compare their fucked up perversion to being the same as the LGBT community is just insulting. She reminds me of those NAMBLA mother fuckers (no pun intended).

 

[Bocefish]

the fact that they're trying to compare their fucked up perversion to being the same as the LGBT community is just insulting

Ya, how dare they insult such a sensitive community.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Ya, how dare they insult such a sensitive community.

LGBTQIAPD ....technically speaking there's already an 'I' for Incestual.

 

[Worship Jaclyn]

I would obviously never donate but honestly this really just doesn't bother me much. It is messed up she would give away parental rights to her other children, that clearly says she isn't a very healthy person. But since she didn't know him when he was underage, I just don't really care. It's gross to me but I really don't know if I consider the relationship itself wrong. Consenting adults and all that.

 

[DFT]

Mother of 9 by 36? Does she live in a shoe?

I was working up a whole discussion of genetics, livestock, history and royal families. Then decided it was too boring, stick with the classics.

 

[Ambers Troll]

Incestuous relationships are so immature, they always remind me of the teacher and student thing... confused. These people are confusing intimacy with attraction, a common mistake. You don't because you wouldn't, they are completely pointless.

Not that I wouldn't like someone just like my mother, she is super tough and my hero. She escaped a desert attack and serious head injuries from a rapist (she was hit by a block of wood over the head), I once saw her stand up to being beaten by her boyfriend, and she also escaped a kidnap by this same stalker abusive boyfriend. She is the reason I like strong feminine women.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

You know how every so often, you hear about someone who had a family member die, and they kept the body with them in the house for years on end pretending nothing was amiss?

Incest belongs in that category.

 

[Mila_]

Incest is forbidden in most religions and it is instinctually repulsive to some people for the same reasons homosexuality is. Because we evolve to shy away from disease. Incest increases the chances that a bad recessive gene will express itself so malformations, genetic diseases and congenital problems are much more likely to happen to the children of incestuous couples.

You can argue that they are hurting nobody and they are 2 consenting adults, but that is only a partial truth. If they have children and I am inclined to think the mother isnt a fan of birth control juding for her fertility rate, there is a solid chance the child will have whatever recessive diseases they are both carriers of. That will hurt someone: their kids and society as a whole.

Still to those who are "horrified" by this while at the same time asking yourselves how dare them compare their struggle to LGBTVHGTL, let me remind you that 50 years ago society in general thought the way you think about incest but applied to homosexuality. They saw it as a perversion and a deviation similar to bestiality or pedophilia. It has only been normalized in the past 30 years or so. Right now nobody would dare to speak of gays like you speak of incestuous people. Then the next step was transexuals which was seen as a mental illness and a perversion up until 5 years ago or even less. Media is pushing hard to normalize it like they normalized homosexuality. And once transexuality is seen as just one more "flavor" in the ice cream bar of human sexuality they might as well try to normalize incest. It isnt very different after all, it is a sexual deviation, the people engaging in it can claim they were born that way because arent all fetishes pretty permanent? A foot fetishist could say he was born that way too, and who are you to judge?

I think you are either in support of sexual freedom in its entirety or you support the idea that sexual mores have a reason to be. But sitting in the middle approving of one perversion while being horrified at another is contradictory and confusing. If you support gay marriage why not support incestuous marriage as well?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

I think you are either in support of sexual freedom in its entirety or you support the idea that sexual mores have a reason to be. But sitting in the middle approving of one perversion while being horrified at another is contradictory and confusing. If you support gay marriage why not support incestuous marriage as well?

Either. Or.

Black and white at its finest.

 

[Mila_]

Either. Or.

Black and white at its finest.

Seriously, explain to me what the difference is between homosexuality and incest. They are both relationships between 2 consenting adults where nobody is being hurt. Why is one okay and the other one horrifying other than because one is socially acceptable and chic to support and the other one wont be until 2020?

 

[Picnic]

I've read quite a few stories about GSA. They just don't really surprise or disturb me.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Seriously, explain to me what the difference is between homosexuality and incest. They are both relationships between 2 consenting adults where nobody is being hurt. Why is one okay and the other one horrifying other than because one is socially acceptable and chic to support and the other one wont be until 2020?

Homosexuality is an orientation towards members of the same sex.
Incest is sexual relations with a close family member.

So, we EITHER accept and endorse gay marriage, incest, bestiality, and assorted podalic deviances, OR, we all embrace a chaste lifestyle, maintaining our sexual purity on all fronts until such time as we are willing to enter the sacred covenant of marriage.

For the record, I'm not really horrified by incest. Just extremely disgusted. This disgust has nothing to do with social acceptance though, appears to be biological. I remember around puberty, I began having strong feelings of revulsion when confronted with the sexuality of family members. Even to this day, seeing relatives kiss and cuddle (with their spouses, not other family members) sickens me. So idk.

 

[Osmia]

Seriously, explain to me what the difference is between homosexuality and incest. They are both relationships between 2 consenting adults where nobody is being hurt. Why is one okay and the other one horrifying other than because one is socially acceptable and chic to support and the other one wont be until 2020?

I think the longstanding answer is that incest is discouraged for the straightforward reason that it leads to inbreeding (or can). I.e., that led to the taboo, which has been codified into law. Incest is considered a paraphilia, while homosexuality is not.

 

[Osmia]

I've read quite a few stories about GSA. They just don't really surprise or disturb me.

Well, I can at least say that I learned a new acronym today. I didn't know it was a thing.

 

[Osmia]

....I think you are either in support of sexual freedom in its entirety or you support the idea that sexual mores have a reason to be. But sitting in the middle approving of one perversion while being horrified at another is contradictory and confusing. If you support gay marriage why not support incestuous marriage as well?

I think it's possible that in 100 years, all the things we call paraphilias will be seen as normal. I hope not, and I wouldn't want to live in such a world.

Still, human societies evolve to accept things at the pace and to the extent that they find comfortable. The difference between LGBTQ and incest, bestiality etc, is that the former cause no harm to others.

 

[JickyJuly]

A parent, even estranged, cannot have a consenting sexual relationship with their child. Period. Whether she was in his life or not, she is an irreplaceable figure and her putting the moves on her son is rape.

 

[Guy]

Believe or not, it is still legal to marry your first cousin in some states. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States_by_state

 

[Snowie1969]

The problem I see is that as a parent, you do make a certain impression on your children. That can be used to coerce someone into consent. In similar ways, in the past, authority figures have abused this to coerce people into consent as well. Priests, doctors, teachers, employers... you name it.

It's a shady area, but it should be open for discussion. Not that that should automatically lead to acceptance or dismissal.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Incest is forbidden in most religions and it is instinctually repulsive to some people for the same reasons homosexuality is. Because we evolve to shy away from disease. Incest increases the chances that a bad recessive gene will express itself so malformations, genetic diseases and congenital problems are much more likely to happen to the children of incestuous couples.

You can argue that they are hurting nobody and they are 2 consenting adults, but that is only a partial truth. If they have children and I am inclined to think the mother isnt a fan of birth control juding for her fertility rate, there is a solid chance the child will have whatever recessive diseases they are both carriers of. That will hurt someone: their kids and society as a whole.

So... by your own admission, homosexuality and incest are two completely different things, yes?

And once transexuality is seen as just one more "flavor" in the ice cream bar of human sexuality they might as well try to normalize incest. It isnt very different after all, it is a sexual deviation, the people engaging in it can claim they were born that way because arent all fetishes pretty permanent? A foot fetishist could say he was born that way too, and who are you to judge?

It's wildly different. At least when it's a parent and a child involved. A child can not consent to sex with a parent. It's a completely uneven relationship where the parent has all the power from the moment of birth. It's akin to a grown man grooming a 12 year old girl for the next 6 years, having sex with her, and then arguing "me having sex with this consenting adult is no different to homosexuality". And having a foot fetish is not damaging. Inbreeding is.

I think you are either in support of sexual freedom in its entirety or you support the idea that sexual mores have a reason to be. But sitting in the middle approving of one perversion while being horrified at another is contradictory and confusing. If you support gay marriage why not support incestuous marriage as well?

Because gay marriage is the union of two consenting adults who love each other. It's an equal relationship where no one party has (knowingly or not) co-erced the other in to something that could negatively affect that couple's children and children's children.

 

[Mila_]

Homosexuality is an orientation towards members of the same sex.
Incest is sexual relations with a close family member.

So, we EITHER accept and endorse gay marriage, incest, bestiality, and assorted podalic deviances, OR, we all embrace a chaste lifestyle, maintaining our sexual purity on all fronts until such time as we are willing to enter the sacred covenant of marriage.

For the record, I'm not really horrified by incest. Just extremely disgusted. This disgust has nothing to do with social acceptance though, appears to be biological. I remember around puberty, I began having strong feelings of revulsion when confronted with the sexuality of family members. Even to this day, seeing relatives kiss and cuddle (with their spouses, not other family members) sickens me. So idk.

I am going to break this down into points to make it easier to read...

1) Homosexuality was once seen not as an orientation but as "sexual relations with other men" which is why it was considered a deviation. Incest could also be defended in the same manner. Incestuous people could say incest is an orientation, that they only feel attracted to family members because it is a matter of degrees of intimacy.

2) Bestiality and pedophilia up until now have been seen as different because there is the matter of consent involved. A kid or a dog cannot consent, therefore both of them are seen in one way or another as rape. Incest can be rape or molestation as well if the family member is below the age of consent, in this case the son is a grown man so from the POV of consent this shouldnt be put in the same bag as pedophilia or bestiality but it can be compared to homosexuality.

3) I never spoke of chastity or virginity until marriage so bringing that up is misrepresenting what I said with a straw man fallacy. What I said is, you need to have some consistency. Either you support that whatever happens between 2 consenting adults is none of anybody's business or you dont. Picking and choosing based on how society sees one or the other is sheep mentality.

I think the longstanding answer is that incest is discouraged for the straightforward reason that it leads to inbreeding (or can). I.e., that led to the taboo, which has been codified into law. Incest is considered a paraphilia, while homosexuality is not.

Homosexuality leads to the spread of STDs (I am talking about male homos not lesbians they are the group less affected by contagious STDs) this has been proven over and over because the friction in anal sex creates micro rips the skin of both the anus and the penis creating blood contact between the partners. This causes disease to spread much faster. Some STDs are really dangerous and up until the discovery of penicillin were incurable. We have cures for most of them now, but viral STDs have no cure. The best way to stop STDs from spreading in a society is by having heterosexual monogamous couples.

 

[Mila_]

So... by your own admission, homosexuality and incest are two completely different things, yes?



It's wildly different. At least when it's a parent and a child involved. A child can not consent to sex with a parent. It's a completely uneven relationship where the parent has all the power from the moment of birth. It's akin to a grown man grooming a 12 year old girl for the next 6 years, having sex with her, and then arguing "me having sex with this consenting adult is no different to homosexuality". And having a foot fetish is not damaging. Inbreeding is.



Because gay marriage is the union of two consenting adults who love each other. It's an equal relationship where no one party has (knowingly or not) co-erced the other in to something that could negatively affect that couple's children and children's children.

This thread is not about molestation, but about incest.

Molestation is a form of pedophilia, incest not necessarily is. In the OPs case they were estranged for 20 years and their incestuous relationship began when they were reunited as adults.

You dont seem to know much about incest as a deviation. Tons of people fantasize about sex with a parent or siblings and they werent molested or abused as children. It is a legit fetish that can go beyond the realm of fantasy for some.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I think the longstanding answer is that incest is discouraged for the straightforward reason that it leads to inbreeding (or can). I.e., that led to the taboo, which has been codified into law. Incest is considered a paraphilia, while homosexuality is not.

While I emotionally understand the "eww gross reaction" to this couple. I'm struggling to see why there is logical or should be a legal difference between allowing this couple to have a relationship and any of the other types of relationship which were generally forbidden in the US just a generation ago.

Inbreeding isn't necessarily bad. It occurs in nature, and human routine inbreed livestock and pets to enhance a breed. But using the possible bad result of offspring seems to me to set a dangerous precedent.

For decades we've allowed parents with sickle cell anemia to marry, even though their children have heightened risks of severe medical problems. Advance in our understanding of DNA is almost certainly going to reach the point soon where we have a lot of knowledge about the various risks associated with a particular couple having offspring. Are we going to draw a line and say "if you have X% chance of having children with autism, downs syndrome etc. you can't get married.'?
Let's say that this couple was 20 years older, and mom was past menopause. What would be the reason to prevent them from marrying then?
If the standard is that anything two consenting adults do in a bedroom is fine, then we should be consistent.

 

[mynameisbob84]

This thread is not about molestation, but about incest.

Molestation is a form of pedophilia, incest not necessarily is. In the OPs case they were estranged for 20 years and their incestuous relationship began when they were reunited as adults.

You dont seem to know much about incest as a deviation. Tons of people fantasize about sex with a parent or siblings and they werent molested or abused as children. It is a legit fetish that can go beyond the realm of fantasy for some.

I'm talking specifically about incest involving parent and a child. Even with the estrangement, even with "consent", it's a completely uneven relationship in terms of power. As to your second point, the key word is "fantasy". There are rape fantasies, cannibalism fantasies, snuff fantasies, racial humiliation fantasies, etc. etc. That doesn't mean that those things should occur freely in the real world.

 

[Mila_]

I'm talking specifically about incest involving parent and a child. Even with the estrangement, even with "consent", it's a completely uneven relationship in terms of power. As to your second point, the key word is "fantasy". There are rape fantasies, cannibalism fantasies, snuff fantasies, racial humiliation fantasies, etc. etc. That doesn't mean that those things should occur freely in the real world.

Most sexual attitudes begin as a fantasy that can then turn into experiences in the real world. Some people have no interest in making their fantasies happen, but others do. There are even cannibalists out there eating each other's body parts voluntarily. They spend years fantasizing about it until they find someone who agrees to be eaten. There was a prominent case in Germany about 5 years ago of a dude who ate another dude's penis and let him bleed to death and he had the victim on tape explaining that he had given him permission and was both their fantasies.

Homosexuality is an attitude that sometimes begins with fantasizing about it and watching gay porn and then later crystallizes itself in actual gay experience. Even BDSM starts as a fantasy. So why is it different with incest?

 

[paige_orion]

Homosexuality leads to the spread of STDs (I am talking about male homos not lesbians they are the group less affected by contagious STDs) this has been proven over and over because the friction in anal sex creates micro rips the skin of both the anus and the penis creating blood contact between the partners. This causes disease to spread much faster. Some STDs are really dangerous and up until the discovery of penicillin were incurable. We have cures for most of them now, but viral STDs have no cure. The best way to stop STDs from spreading in a society is by having heterosexual monogamous couples.

I think unsafe sex leads to the spread of STDs, not homosexuality. The same STDs that affect male homosexuals affect heterosexuals as well. Decades ago, safe sex was much more uncommon. But we've wisened up a bit. I am not sure of the statistics between homosexual and heterosexual incidents of STDs, so I cannot say which community accounts for more STDS. I know that birth-control in the form of condoms between heterosexuals can help prevent the spread STDS, which is something that gay men or women obviously don't need to worry about. Gay men might be more susceptible to certain STDS because of the micro-rips, but that happens amongst heterosexuals as well. The epidemic is global, and effects every community, every sexuality, every race and gender.

The best way to stop STDs from spreading is to always use protection and get tested often, and only sleep with partners who have been tested recently. Whether you are straight or gay. I don't think one's sexual orientation leads to spreading STDS. It's ignorance and the belief in one's own immortality (or rather, "that can't happen to me" kind of naivety").

I know that recently, a camgirl made a post asking men about their last STD testing. It was terrifying to see the numbers of men who had never ever ever been tested, and this was mostly heterosexual men. And amongst men that I know personally... Not one of them have been tested until they think they might already have something. I know that isn't a scientific study by any means, but it was startling to see. I think more people worry about birth control than worry about STDs, unfortunately. And that's what spreads STDs along.

However, this is a complete deviation from the original topic. And I am awful at debating, but I thought I'd dip my toe into the debate waters and give it a try.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

1) Homosexuality was once seen not as an orientation but as "sexual relations with other men" which is why it was considered a deviation. Incest could also be defended in the same manner. Incestuous people could say incest is an orientation, that they only feel attracted to family members because it is a matter of degrees of intimacy.

2) Bestiality and pedophilia up until now have been seen as different because there is the matter of consent involved. A kid or a dog cannot consent, therefore both of them are seen in one way or another as rape. Incest can be rape or molestation as well if the family member is below the age of consent, in this case the son is a grown man so from the POV of consent this shouldnt be put in the same bag as pedophilia or bestiality but it can be compared to homosexuality.

3) I never spoke of chastity or virginity until marriage so bringing that up is misrepresenting what I said with a straw man fallacy. What I said is, you need to have some consistency. Either you support that whatever happens between 2 consenting adults is none of anybody's business or you dont. Picking and choosing based on how society sees one or the other is sheep mentality.

1) If you choose to defend incest in the same manner, that does not make it the same thing, and I am not required to view them the same way just to satisfy your insistence upon consistency.

2) I disagree on this point as well. I view them differently because they make a little voice in my head say "WTF!?". In this case, the son being a grown man is even more wtf-ish. Technically, sex with a dead person is just masturbation.

3) Wasn't a straw man. Was me lampooning you for resorting to religious tactics. And just because you say we need consistency doesn't mean we do. I can form opinions of what happens between people on a case by case basis. Stop trying to make me conform.

 

[SexySteph]

I saw something the other day explaining that sometimes when a child (or adult child, w/e) is reunited with an estranged parent they never knew that sometimes this kind of thing happens. It was on something on A&E or something I don't remember and I don't really want to google it and end up on a list. lol

But basically it's not like a predatory thing but the chemicals related to familial love aren't that different from those related to romantic love and it can cause them to confuse what they're feeling for each other as something else? I didn't really grasp the whole scientific breakdown but apparently this isn't entirely unheard of (but taking it to the level of a relationship instead of 'that's a weird feeling I'm having, let's ignore it' is definitely reeeeeally uncommon).

Not defending it or condemning it. More like "here's a random fact that sort of explains this weird thing!"

 

[Osmia]

....The best way to stop STDs from spreading in a society is by having heterosexual monogamous couples.

Or by banning sex altogether!

 

[justjoinedtopost]

The best way to stop STDs from spreading in a society is by having heterosexual monogamous couples.

Problem: heterosexual monogamous couples produce homosexuals.

 

[Osmia]

I saw something the other day explaining that sometimes when a child (or adult child, w/e) is reunited with an estranged parent they never knew that sometimes this kind of thing happens. It was on something on A&E or something I don't remember and I don't really want to google it and end up on a list. lol

But basically it's not like a predatory thing but the chemicals related to familial love aren't that different from those related to romantic love and it can cause them to confuse what they're feeling for each other as something else? I didn't really grasp the whole scientific breakdown but apparently this isn't entirely unheard of (but taking it to the level of a relationship instead of 'that's a weird feeling I'm having, let's ignore it' is definitely reeeeeally uncommon).

Not defending it or condemning it. More like "here's a random fact that sort of explains this weird thing!"

Along those lines, but maybe the opposite result....there's a set of genes (and their corresponding proteins embedded in cell membranes) called the MHC. It's involved in many immune system functions such as destruction of cancer cells and rejection of organ transplants. In any case, there was a famous experiment in which a group of men with various different MHC types wore t-shirts to sleep in for two nights. The shirts were then given to a group of women, who were asked to smell the shirts. The women consistently preferred the shirts from men whose MHCs differed from their own (if two people are closely related, they have similar MHCs; if not related, they have dissimilar MHCs). So, this is a biological mechanism we aren't consciously aware of, and it steers us away from incestuous relationships. Religious and social prohibitions came well after this, of course.