Non-Nude Models

[AlexLady]

Hrm. I think that's pretty well put Renegade.

It's certainly a more reasonable view than what I usually hear.

 

[LadyLuna]

It's also probably why they get a lot of business.

How many people keep staring at the cake they can't eat because they want someone to say "go ahead and taste"? Because they CAN almost taste it?

*wonders if she should go non-nude*

*decides against- her fanbase already knows she flashes for every tip unless specifically asked not to by the tipper*

x.x

OH! And I have gotten tips to put clothes on. One guy tipped to get them off. When no one else was tipping, he didn't want the freeloaders to benefit, so tipped to get them back on. lol

 

[RenegadeMikey]

It's also probably why they get a lot of business.

How many people keep staring at the cake they can't eat because they want someone to say "go ahead and taste"? Because they CAN almost taste it?

*wonders if she should go non-nude*

*decides against- her fanbase already knows she flashes for every tip unless specifically asked not to by the tipper*

x.x

OH! And I have gotten tips to put clothes on. One guy tipped to get them off. When no one else was tipping, he didn't want the freeloaders to benefit, so tipped to get them back on. lol

It's really an amazing buisiness strategy that have there.

They stretch, dance, grope themselves, show cleavage, all things that trigger the male hormones to just go "WANT!" I really feel sorry for the models who can only get a 50 token tip for getting fully naked and masterbating, when the non-nudes are getting in the hundreds just to dance in a miniskirt.

 

[naku_vamp]

Well personally iv only ran into one non nude model and she just told me she was a no nude model and i was like "kay sorry" and just left other than that iv only seen a few that just said they don;t get naked in free or at least only flash in free for tips and you gatta go group/privet for full nudity plus what ever else

so yeah iv only seen one completely no nude

 

[Jeeeeesus]

Hhockay, so. This is zeh Erth..

Having had the priviledge of studying human nature (as well as meeting some of the admins) I can definitely asses that MFC generates a lot of traffic when it has openly masturbating chicks in public. The more girls online doing that, at any moment, as possible - the better for MFC. Hence the camscore being based on how much tokens you get plus the time spent online. At this point it's a cycle - tokens are earned by the most sexually open models, which drives their camscore up, which puts them on the front page & gives viewers a taste of the website, which pays them more, which drives up their camscore, etc etc etc.

On the other hand, MFC always has to cater to the OTHER male need, besides sex - companionship. Hence "no mancam" rule. I was told, by one of the admins, that the idea is to hint at a cute, lonely girl at home who just wants to get down and dirty in private. Lonely guys swoop in and find a suitable dump for their excessive money (probably no more than a real demanding girlfriend in life would take), which is also very good for MFC. Allowing men on cam would make it a more porn-like website and the fantasy would be tainted.

Hence why you have the very sexual, adult-oriented girls who get to the top & the surly Romanian "teep me and i vill merry u" OR non-nude models who hint at providing a relationship and taking the guys for all they're worth. Personally, this is the biggest thing that bothers me about non-nude models.


Lastly, I think that it might bother some of our nude models that non-nudes are STILL being tipped by some guys (despite the male sentiment being lragely against them in the first place!) while there are so many other talented girls who provide real quality entertainment for the men's money. And yes, ALL of the non-nude models think that they are "better" than us because of a very popular social meme - anti-slutiness. In short, it is the older women's way of controlling breeding as well as the valuable commodity of sex, being used as a weapon, and expoliting men's natural need for it. I've reffered to it as the "Pussy Economy", much in the same way that major jewellers actually keep a large stock of diamonds but still claim that they cost so much because they are rare. No, they're not.

In this manner, women are able to more effectively bend men to their will, by rewarding and denying sex (and c'mon guys, anyone who has been married can hear a familiar story here) while socialy punishing all other females of the hive to not give away theirs willingly either. Hence why a man who has slept with many is a "pimp", yet a girl is a "slut". Forget about women's rights to a sexually healthy lifestyle! Forget about being loving and civil to your men! Forget any social liberty, we must socially ostracize and punish ANYONE daring to disrupt the Pussy Economy!

Hence why the non-nude models hate on us. We represent change in the old structure of the female collective mind, and society as a whole. Don't let their dark whispers taint your self-esteem, to make you feel dirty and bad for having a sexual appetite and wanting to show off your goodies on cam and have fun. Truth is, they are also jealous of our freedom. The only reason they themselves are nude-resistant is a result of the weigth of all the other women's opinions, the grandmas, and the social pain that comes form their disapproval. So they join in to the voices because it's easier to conform, social pressure does that, as well as all the assault on our self-esteem from all the horrific and insidious insults they try to throw our way.

Don't worry, they're wrong. They are scared and they are angry. They are extremely unhappy and their lack of self-expression and satisfaction of their needs as a woman is not met. While here WE are - happy, sexual, relaxed, open to life and new possibilites. WE have courage.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

Cherry, all I can say to that right now is bravo.

I might have more to say later, but I need to think it thru before saying it. A proper response to that needs to be put as eloquently as your post was.

 

[MilaMilan]

damn cherry you have a way with words.....and I agree...wow

 

[QueenMeadow]

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There wasn't a smiley standing and clapping, but that speech needs a standing ovation.


Also,

marry me cherry! I'll love you long time and let you get to third base

 

[LuxDahl]

Brilliant analysis, Cherry. Although it did bring to mind that the fact that I don't lie about being attached is probably cockblocking a lot of my viewers. :-D

 

[cerealkillermg]

although i fully agree with cherry...
didnt this thread start as a 'stop hating non-nude models' thread

personally i dont think that any one model is better than any other...
or any person for that matter...
for you are ALL EQUALLY INFERIOR TO ME!!!
WUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

 

[Bocefish]

Puss-enomics :lol: Love it!

Methinks the major gripe is the 'holier than thou' attitude in the secret sisterhood society.

 

[Mirra]

Brilliant analysis, Cherry. Although it did bring to mind that the fact that I don't lie about being attached is probably cockblocking a lot of my viewers. :-D

Well I don't think the sharing of said information has hurt Amber too much and she feels much more at ease about her camming I believe since letting the Jawbs out of the bag so to speak. If the guy is looking for love on MFC, they need to be redirected to match.com or something. If they cannot masturbate to you because you have a significant other, they might need help that MFC just cannot provide.

P.S. CherryPi ftw. Much respect for that incredibly well thought out post.

 

[LuxDahl]

Well I don't think the sharing of said information has hurt Amber too much and she feels much more at ease about her camming I believe since letting the Jawbs out of the bag so to speak. If the guy is looking for love on MFC, they need to be redirected to match.com or something. If they cannot masturbate to you because you have a significant other, they might need help that MFC just cannot provide.

Haha, I feel you. I'm never like "My husband this, my husband that" in chat (I don't even wear my ring on camera), but if people ask about my marital status, I'm honest. A lot of guys DO act all hurt and discouraged about it when they find out. Kinda silly.

Amber is actually why I decided not to lie. My husband thinks I should have but I suck at lying. I would've slipped up at once point.

*puts thread back on rails*

Can't knock a nude model's hustle, but I would appreciate if the few I've seen would drop the holier-than-thou attitude. Obviously they can't be THAT prudent if they're on MFC to begin with.

 

[naku_vamp]

Personally, I have a love/hate relationship with the non-nude models.

First, they fuck the system. And i LOVE anyone who fucks the system. It's just the irony, sweet delicious irony.

Also, they make money. Loads of guys are willing to see a girl dance erotically, even if they remain fully clothed. If they can make money without even showing a nipple, then all the better to them! I would much rather see a fully clothed girl dance and have a good time then sit watching some romanian whos only spoken english consists of 'tip' and 'hi bb' whore herself as much as possible.

However, the downside to the non nude models is quite simple. They are very attractive. Now, I know all of you models who do decide to get naked are hot as well, I concider myself good friends with quite a few of you, so hopefully you don't take this as an insult, becaues it truly is not.

A normal model is like "Having your cake and eating it too". It's sweet, tasty, amazing, and leaves you feeling a bit guilty afterwards.

A non-nude model is like having your cake, but not being able to eat it. It's frustrating, because you WANT the cake, but you are not allowed it. No matter how much you beg, scream, cry, or bargain, they will not let you eat the cake. No matter how much you try, the cake forever remains uneaten.

I love cake.
*cries*

my good sir..the cake is indeed a lie

 

[hU89YYUghghgv78]

I come to MFC for entertainment, most of the time for adult entertainment but not always.
One of my favorite models is non-nude and in the 6 months I've been a regular visitor I've never heard her say a bad thing about any other model.
She is quite attractive but also brings something else to the table, she's either singing, dancing, playing an instrument or painting/drawing most of her cam time.

If a woman can earn a living by putting her god given talents to use whether that be her body or not good for them, but I don't think it's right for either side to look down on the other.

 

[Keithy]

I tipped amber a lot because for the longest time I thought she didn't own any clothes at all.

 

[Mirra]

Keithy, that's pretty hilarious. I approve.

 

[luvsyou]

i hated on a model big time who wouldn't take anything off. however, it was because she said she would if i tipped an agreed amount. i tipped it and she refused.

i spread the word for about a week about her.

i think it was well justified.

otherwise i could care less.

 

[RenegadeMikey]

i hated on a model big time who wouldn't take anything off. however, it was because she said she would if i tipped an agreed amount. i tipped it and she refused.

i spread the word for about a week about her.

i think it was well justified.

otherwise i could care less.

Who was that?

 

[pyrite1965]

i hated on a model big time who wouldn't take anything off. however, it was because she said she would if i tipped an agreed amount. i tipped it and she refused.

i spread the word for about a week about her.

i think it was well justified.

otherwise i could care less.

You weren't the guy in the lounge who tipped 20+ tokens were you?

 

[luvsyou]

nope....I wouldn't bother for 20 tokens.

This was over 100. The model is now gone.

 

[Sugarysweet]

Hhockay, so. This is zeh Erth..

Having had the priviledge of studying human nature (as well as meeting some of the admins) I can definitely asses that MFC generates a lot of traffic when it has openly masturbating chicks in public. The more girls online doing that, at any moment, as possible - the better for MFC. Hence the camscore being based on how much tokens you get plus the time spent online. At this point it's a cycle - tokens are earned by the most sexually open models, which drives their camscore up, which puts them on the front page & gives viewers a taste of the website, which pays them more, which drives up their camscore, etc etc etc.

On the other hand, MFC always has to cater to the OTHER male need, besides sex - companionship. Hence "no mancam" rule. I was told, by one of the admins, that the idea is to hint at a cute, lonely girl at home who just wants to get down and dirty in private. Lonely guys swoop in and find a suitable dump for their excessive money (probably no more than a real demanding girlfriend in life would take), which is also very good for MFC. Allowing men on cam would make it a more porn-like website and the fantasy would be tainted.

Hence why you have the very sexual, adult-oriented girls who get to the top & the surly Romanian "teep me and i vill merry u" OR non-nude models who hint at providing a relationship and taking the guys for all they're worth. Personally, this is the biggest thing that bothers me about non-nude models.


Lastly, I think that it might bother some of our nude models that non-nudes are STILL being tipped by some guys (despite the male sentiment being lragely against them in the first place!) while there are so many other talented girls who provide real quality entertainment for the men's money. And yes, ALL of the non-nude models think that they are "better" than us because of a very popular social meme - anti-slutiness. In short, it is the older women's way of controlling breeding as well as the valuable commodity of sex, being used as a weapon, and expoliting men's natural need for it. I've reffered to it as the "Pussy Economy", much in the same way that major jewellers actually keep a large stock of diamonds but still claim that they cost so much because they are rare. No, they're not.

In this manner, women are able to more effectively bend men to their will, by rewarding and denying sex (and c'mon guys, anyone who has been married can hear a familiar story here) while socialy punishing all other females of the hive to not give away theirs willingly either. Hence why a man who has slept with many is a "pimp", yet a girl is a "slut". Forget about women's rights to a sexually healthy lifestyle! Forget about being loving and civil to your men! Forget any social liberty, we must socially ostracize and punish ANYONE daring to disrupt the Pussy Economy!

Hence why the non-nude models hate on us. We represent change in the old structure of the female collective mind, and society as a whole. Don't let their dark whispers taint your self-esteem, to make you feel dirty and bad for having a sexual appetite and wanting to show off your goodies on cam and have fun. Truth is, they are also jealous of our freedom. The only reason they themselves are nude-resistant is a result of the weigth of all the other women's opinions, the grandmas, and the social pain that comes form their disapproval. So they join in to the voices because it's easier to conform, social pressure does that, as well as all the assault on our self-esteem from all the horrific and insidious insults they try to throw our way.

Don't worry, they're wrong. They are scared and they are angry. They are extremely unhappy and their lack of self-expression and satisfaction of their needs as a woman is not met. While here WE are - happy, sexual, relaxed, open to life and new possibilites. WE have courage.

I guess you're referring to some non nude models, which might be true, but there are many non nudes/non public nudes (like myself) who are pretty much no where near what you just described. Why be bothered that a man is tipping a non nude model? Unless she is making promises for more and then just taking the tip and leaving them empty handed, then I can't understand why a nude model would be upset at a non nude model. If a man tips willingly, he is obviously enjoying himself. No one made him type the amount and hit the tip button. He is obviously enjoying himself enough to show appreciation for whatever this model is doing for him. Whether it be dancing, laughing, smiling, chatting, getting naked, masturbating, etc people tip for what makes them happiest for the most part. (And I am not referring to the girls who promise things like meeting and then don't follow through)

Who is to say what "real" entertainment is? Real can be anything, to EACH individual. I don't think any single person has a right to say what real entertainment is since everyone has different opinions. Hell, real might be the fakest mfc model online to some people but it's not my place to say otherwise. I also never would say otherwise because I come on MFC and do my thing. I have fun with my friends who visit often daily and they don't want me nude. In fact they'd prefer I'd just chat and hang out even in my most comfortable clothes I sleep in. I never have a problem with how other models do things. I often hear some models are tipped very large amounts and the word gets around. Am I upset because that model is a nude mfc model and got tipped 20,000 tokens? Naw not even a little bit. It just means she's obviously doing a great job at what she does so why do I care?

I hate to sound mean but seriously I dislike it when someone tells me how I think as a non nude model. I don't look at other models and think man I am SO BETTER than them. No. I could care less about what other models do in their rooms. I like to keep things personal which is why I choose no nudity in public and only nudity in pvt. I don't understand why others have a problem with how I do things..I'm not judging anyone else for how they do things.

I guess I just feel that you were trying to make non nudes look bad by basically explaining how horrible they ALL are and claiming that non nudes think they're better than nudes, yet you came off sounding hypocritical. It sounded to me like you were pretty much saying nudes are better. I don't care who does what on MFC but I don't see the need to talk badly about any MFC model. Aren't we all just having fun and enjoying ourselves in different ways? Why do non nudes have to be looked down upon simply because they don't share the same views or feelings as others?

Oh well. I'd say until you know every single non nude model, it's not very nice to talk badly about them and categorize them all the same.

 

[RogueWarrior]

Ok, I'm gonna bump this since it has been over a year since the last post and there have been quite a few new forum members since then.

And also because I wanted to start a thread on this subject, but rather than being chastised for not properly using the search function, *bump*

 

[Anonymous]

Ok, I'm gonna bump this since it has been over a year since the last post and there have been quite a few new forum members since then.

And also because I wanted to start a thread on this subject, but rather than being chastised for not properly using the search function, *bump*

LOL.


Non-nude models: If they choose to be non-nude, it's their decision. A model's facial expression and body movements/dancing can be sexy too. If she's decided to be non-nude, okay. Respect her decision or gtfo. None of that "Oh come on, bb. Will ya do it for me?" shit.

Besides, no matter what you do, you're always gonna have those guys who want MORE.....

"Let's see u get those clothes off, bb." *model gets naked*
"HOT body! How 'bout u oil those tits, bb?" *model gets oiled up*
"Damn girl, u sexy! Let's see u finger dat pussy." *model fingers herself*
"Mmmm, nice and tight! Bet u can't handle my 14"! Ride dat toy for me, gurl!" *model fucks a toy*
"Fuck yeah, girl, u got me hard! Lemme see u fuck your ass."
"WHAT? Y U DON'T DO ANAL, MA? DAMN, THAT'S A SHAME."

:lol:

 

[Marokite]

I'm an example of someone who enjoys rooms of both nude and non-nude models. I've tipped both styles. The naked is a plus, but it's not necessary since I'm not there for fapping. I really just enjoy talkative and/or interactive ladies. So the models' styles are not what bothers me. What bothers me are the assholes that have no respect. If a model has non-nude in her topic, then they should not mention it or move on to the next lady. If she doesn't have it in her topic (usually have in the profile then) and she says, "Sorry, non-nude", they should either move on or shut up about it. The worst part about a non-nude model's room are these guys that totally ruin the vibe by calling the model out on it. Like being a jerk is going to make her suddenly say, "You know what? I think I'm going to get naked just for you."

 

[Nordling]

Ok, I'm gonna bump this since it has been over a year since the last post and there have been quite a few new forum members since then.

And also because I wanted to start a thread on this subject, but rather than being chastised for not properly using the search function, *bump*

LOL.


Non-nude models: If they choose to be non-nude, it's their decision. A model's facial expression and body movements/dancing can be sexy too. If she's decided to be non-nude, okay. Respect her decision or gtfo. None of that "Oh come on, bb. Will ya do it for me?" shit.

Besides, no matter what you do, you're always gonna have those guys who want MORE.....

"Let's see u get those clothes off, bb." *model gets naked*
"HOT body! How 'bout u oil those tits, bb?" *model gets oiled up*
"Damn girl, u sexy! Let's see u finger dat pussy." *model fingers herself*
"Mmmm, nice and tight! Bet u can't handle my 14"! Ride dat toy for me, gurl!" *model fucks a toy*
"Fuck yeah, girl, u got me hard! Lemme see u fuck your ass."
"WHAT? Y U DON'T DO ANAL, MA? DAMN, THAT'S A SHAME."

:lol:

:lol: So very true.

 

[FrecklesXxX]

By its own definition MFC is an adult entertainment site. If the conversation alone isn't something you'd share with a 16 year old, it's pretty consistent with the philosophy of the site. Unless MFC changes their approach and becomes strictly a porn site, non-nudes aren't going anywhere, so deal with it.

I must concur with those who put it so well previous to my post, some people may find the non-nude models enticing as there is still the mystery and excitement of "she is so hot clothed, how does she look naked?" It's a form of teasing. Most non-nudes still do erotic dances, after all, so it isn't as if the show isn't sexual on some level and therefore "justified" on an adult site like MFC. I have yet to see a successful non-nude who doesn't do erotic dancing. Whether it's no penetration in public chat or no nudity or otherwise not doing anything a model isn't comfortable with, there's always someone who will be unsatisfied. Everyone has their own flavor and everyone has their own taste.

Non-nudes provide a contrast for nudes... as the saying goes there is no light without dark. For this I am grateful as it adds variety and tells us much about human desire.

 

[SoTxBob]

..... rather than being chastised for not properly using the search function, *bump*

LOL.. yes heaven forbid we not spend half an hour searching for some random post we have no idea even exists. He who is in charge of thread is mighty touchy at times :violin:

 

[BCamden]

As long as there's no nudity promised, then there's no nudity required.

I think models not only are able to, but have every right to, choose to be as (un)dressed as they like. As long as they're not badmouthing other models for their choices, what's the issue?

Plus, I notice an underlying assumption in a lot of posts that sexuality -> nudity. While that's a general truth, it's not a universal truth. Some folks will find a clothed model more sexually appealing.

Finally, we all know a lot of members come here for the (not necessarily sexual) social aspects as much as anything else. In some cases they may even view nudity as distracting/interrupting of other interactions.

 

[NayruFae]

Okay, so I know this topic is TOTALLY dead, but I just stumbled upon it when searching about non-nude talk.

I really don't like the idea that all non-nude models apparently are holier than thou, CherryPi's post being an epitome of that attitude. I'm non-nude and I have full respect for nude models, same as I have respect for other non-nudes. It's two different areas of entertainment and both are valid. By no means do girls across the board think they are 'above' those who are nude, and I don't think it would be valid to think that anyway. Sugarysweet summed up a lot of the points I'd like to make towards that. I'm not really a generalization-friendly person.

I don't think there should be this big angry divide between non-nude nude models, it kind of saddens me to see the hateful kind of response CherryPi has taken the time to write. :I