Nevermind the Apocalypse: Earliest Mayan Calendar Found

[Poker_Babe]

Thought this was pretty cool, just wanted to share it.

Nevermind the Apocalypse: Earliest Mayan Calendar Found

 

[Bocefish]

So much for the Mayan Doomsdayers. :whistle:

"The Mayan calendar is going to keep going for billions, trillions, octillions of years into the future," said archaeologist David Stuart of the University of Texas, who worked to decipher the glyphs. "Numbers we can't even wrap our heads around."

Absolutely astonishing such a primitive culture accomplished what they did.

 

[missmeowmixx]

Thanks for the post Poker_Babe! Okay, ranty ahead about said doomsayers, and why they irk me. You've been warned. =^_^=

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Oh my gosh! Stuff like this just makes me SMH sometimes! Nifty article and I'm really glad they've found evidence of "the calendar doesnt stop" and hopefully it will find its way into popculture/common knowledge (although its a bit doubtful... people love drama so much that they dont seem to notice that underneath all this is the sweetest most dramatic mystery ever 'told'!)

The Mayan Calendar never "ended" in the first place, this discovery is the opposite of new. Saying that the calendar "predicts the end of the world" because the long count is "ending" is like saying the gregorian calendar "ends" on December 31st every year. i mean sure it does, but then its just January again, not the END OF THE WORLD. :? lol.

Sure, the calendar tracks time cycles of different lengths (there's a 260-day cycle the same as human gestation, a 13moon lunar cycle of 360+5 days and then tuns, katuns and baktuns which add up to thousands of years.) But it doesn't "END."

If more would actually study it in any detail and be willing to be confused about it for a week or two, they would find a rich source of information guiding and clarifying their own lives, the cycles and stages of their lives, and how they relate to Time and each other. But instead, so many seem to just look at how so many things switch over in 2012 &say, "OMG! LOOK AT THAT! THATS GONNA BE A BIG DEAL AND SHIT IS GONNA BLOW UP! TELL YOUR FRIENDZ!"

sure, it might. I wouldn't be surprised if it did, and perhaps it is the "end of time" but its not the "end of the world." time and the world are NOT the same thing!





/vent





anyways. sorry. the maya calendar and zodiac are brilliant. They've helped me unerstand WTF is going on with myself/my life/the world so much.


I subscribe to 13moon.com's natural time updates by email and i highly recommend it. If you can look past what seems to be kinda cheezy wording a lot of the time, it's worth it. It reminds you when we change moons, and on special days or turnings of the wheel.

for example on May 2 I received....

"On the Natural Time Calendar, we are now within Moon 11 on the Spiral of the 13-Moon Year: The Spectral Serpent Moon of Liberation (May 2 - May 29). On this sacred timing system, each of the 13 Moons correspond to one of the 13 Tones of Creation. This Moon 11 brings the focus of Tone 11: The Spectral Tone of Liberation, also invoking the key words: Dissolve and Release.

We have now completed Moon 10 - The Planetary Dog Moon of Manifestation, and now we move on, into the energetic of Tone 11, and the Totem of Serpent. "The snake dwells in so many places, climates and environments, comes in so many colors, shapes and sizes that this creature can be said to be one of the most versatile of all. Indeed snakes represent versatility, transmutation and change, their natural inclination to shed their skins, leaving behind the old, and adapting to the new, supports this idea."



Okay, so it sounds like "hippy bullshit" but trust me, if you listen to this stuff and let it guide your mind, you will reap the benefits, and thats just the shallowest and most self serving reason to do it. :lol: :lol:


Lastly I've been reading a book called "Beyond 2012: a complete guide to end-of-time predictions" by geoff stray. and it's REALLY GOOD! the maya calendar of course figures prominently in much of it, but this guy goes through EVERYONES opinions on EVERY possible variation of ideas on 2012, astrologically, historically and alll over the place, adding his own insights and calculations and tying it all together. it's fucking fantastic! I really really recommend it to y'all. =)


sorry for ranting. this stuff is just all related. And my IRL friends and i have exhausted the subject, it seems sometimes, so it seems like second nature to me, and i want y'all to enjoy it too. take some time to ponder it, i consider it more important than a lot of the lulz i know we spend many hours on, as a webbernetz based group of peeps.

DISCUSS! :handgestures-salute: :handgestures-salute:

 

[Nordling]

And I'd like to add that I've noticed over the years how often we refer to other cultures as "primitive." They aren't primitive, all peoples have the same quality of minds as modern, "first world" cultures. It's all relative, and you can't judge a culture qualitatively because they don't have iPhones.

 

[Bocefish]

And I'd like to add that I've noticed over the years how often we refer to other cultures as "primitive." They aren't primitive, all peoples have the same quality of minds as modern, "first world" cultures. It's all relative, and you can't judge a culture qualitatively because they don't have iPhones.

It's a relative description and yes they were primitive. Their culture started around 2600 B.C. and died out around 900 A.D.

 

[Nordling]

And I'd like to add that I've noticed over the years how often we refer to other cultures as "primitive." They aren't primitive, all peoples have the same quality of minds as modern, "first world" cultures. It's all relative, and you can't judge a culture qualitatively because they don't have iPhones.

It's a relative description and yes they were primitive. Their culture started around 2600 B.C. and died out around 900 A.D.

The length of their existence as a civilization makes them "primitive?" How? One can only hope that "Western culture" lasts as long.

 

[Bocefish]

prim·i·tive   [prim-i-tiv]
adjective
1.
being the first or earliest of the kind or in existence, especially in an early age of the world: primitive forms of life.
2.
early in the history of the world or of humankind.
3.
characteristic of early ages or of an early state of human development: primitive toolmaking.
4.
Anthropology . of or pertaining to a preliterate or tribal people having cultural or physical similarities with their early ancestors: no longer in technical use.

 

[Nordling]

prim·i·tive   [prim-i-tiv]
adjective
1.
being the first or earliest of the kind or in existence, especially in an early age of the world: primitive forms of life.
2.
early in the history of the world or of humankind.
3.
characteristic of early ages or of an early state of human development: primitive toolmaking.
4.
Anthropology . of or pertaining to a preliterate or tribal people having cultural or physical similarities with their early ancestors: no longer in technical use.

In the context in which you used the word, only definition 4 is the only one that comes close. I hardly think that applies to the Mayan.

I suggest you look into anthropology with a bit more depth than a dictionary:

http://www.pbs.org/thinktank/transcript920.html

MR. BAKER: So there were two major contributions -- I'd think his two major contributions were challenging this notion that there was something called savage, primitive, and civilized cultures, that was number one. And number two, that there was something called inferior and superior races. Those were his -- and he was reacting, he spent his career trying to tackle those two very important 19th Century ideas, and I think was successful. So today when we talk about cultures, plural, we can thank Franz Boas, because before that it was Culture, with a capital C, and there was just people who either had it or didn't.

 

[Bocefish]

The Mayans didn't even have metal tools yet. If you want to continue arguing over a simple adjective that clearly states you're wrong, go argue with the dictionary people.

 

[Nordling]

The Mayans didn't even have metal tools yet. If you want to continue arguing over a simple adjective that clearly states you're wrong, go argue with the dictionary people.

You don't understand what a dictionary is. They report how words are commonly used, they do not prescribe their usage, nor do they go into enough depth to use them for a subject as sophisticated as anthropology. To call the Mayans "primitive" is to be thinking with a 19th century thought process.

Metal tools? Do you think the quality of a culture has anything to do with their material possessions? Educate yourself.

 

[Bocefish]

The Maya had many different gods. They also had rituals. One of those rituals was human sacrifice.
The Mayan Kings were considered to be direct descendants of the Mayan Gods.

So 19th century of me to consider that a primitive culture. :lol:

 

[Nordling]

The Maya had many different gods. They also had rituals. One of those rituals was human sacrifice.
The Mayan Kings were considered to be direct descendants of the Mayan Gods.

So 19th century of me to consider that a primitive culture. :lol:

We're kind of going OT...my fault, but I'd say lots of cultures have aspects which leave us thinking of nightmares, but that isn't related to them being "primitive." Their horrible human sacrifices were done with very sophisticated rituals. lol

Our own culture, with all of our believed advancement, still hasn't won the war on poverty, e.g.