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Sevrin said:
victor0021 said:
Does anyone know if there is a way to search tags for models offline? If no one was online matching the tag you searched it would be nice to be about to browse profiles to find when someone would be on that fits that tag description.
You can use the Google search function on the profiles page. The only problem with that is that you will get hits on profiles of models who are rarely or no longer active, and that's probably the majority of them.
It would be rad to be able to search multiple tags AND get offline profiles from the actual homepage, if they could limit it maybe to only models who have logged in within say... 30 days or something?
 
JoleneBrody said:
Sevrin said:
victor0021 said:
Does anyone know if there is a way to search tags for models offline? If no one was online matching the tag you searched it would be nice to be about to browse profiles to find when someone would be on that fits that tag description.
You can use the Google search function on the profiles page. The only problem with that is that you will get hits on profiles of models who are rarely or no longer active, and that's probably the majority of them.
It would be rad to be able to search multiple tags AND get offline profiles from the actual homepage, if they could limit it maybe to only models who have logged in within say... 30 days or something?
Sounds like a job for MyCamGirl.
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Alexandra Cole said:
Joeternal said:
All I did was post a suggestion for better search features on MFC. Then I was bombarded with a bunch of accusatory questions, too many of which which I attempted to answer. But hey, it's been enlightening.

Own it. Humility is more attractive than false naivete.

Sorry I missed this before. I will own the fact that my tone could have been better in a few of my posts. But they were heavily influenced by the tone of the posts I was responding to.

Good luck with your lady. And treat her with more respect.

There is no "my lady". Or at least there isn't just one. And I always treat models with respect. Unless they start attacking me, like they have on this forum. :roll:
 
I've been thinking about this thread, and it bugs me that it was so full of misunderstandings and attacks on my character and/or intelligence. I want to clarify a few things:

1. I've been on MFC on and off for over 4 years. I'm not there every day, but I've probably talked to at least 100 models over that period of time. The number of models who have expressed an interest in me outside of MFC has been about 5 or 6, maybe a few more. I didn't mention those situations to "brag" about them. About half of them were basically offers of a hookup. The other half were more of a relationship that had developed between us. I've done everything I could not to take advantage of anyone, manipulate anyone, or hurt their feelings. But in some cases there is no easy way to back out once somebody opens up to you. I only did because I knew it wouldn't work between us. It still have some doubts and regrets about whether they were the right decisions.

2. It's totally understandable that someone who didn't fit my personal criteria would feel offended by that, even though I should be nobody to them, and everybody has different tastes. It's also totally understandable that a cam girl with a boyfriend would feel the need to strongly insist nothing ever happens between members and models in order to reassure him he has nothing to worry about, even though she knows that's not true. But neither of those things are an excuse for jumping all over somebody and attacking them personally.

3. There are a lot of cam girls who are very cool people. There are a lot of cam girls who aren't. If guys are cynical and/or skeptical about cam girls in general, consider the possibility that someone has given them good reason to be.

Ok, I'm done with this now.
 
No one has attacked you on here, maybe a bit more towards the end where people are getting pretty fed up with you, but at first you just gave us a load of information you apparently didn't want us discussing and we responded to it. If you didn't want us discussing it or responding to it then you shouldn't have given us that information in the first place. No one was attacking you, we were just responding to your post and showing reasonable concern in this situation. Members being delusional about what myfreecams is for can have severe negative impacts on both models and members, and it happens all the time. Regardless of whether this was the case in your situation or not, it's easier for us to just explain it anyway to try and deter this situation happening. In response to people actually trying to help you and simply responding to your posts, which had more to do with your relationships with camgirls than the actual search function so no wonder everyone got confused, you have responded with sheer unpleasantness.

Rather than rising to it you could have just posted "I'm really sorry, I shouldn't have made it about my personal preferences, don't worry, I'm not interested in dating camgirls, I just like the idea of the ones I visit being single. Does anyone know the reason why such a search function hasn't been implemented?"

No one would have faulted you for this. As you can see no one has an issue with members liking the idea of a model being single. We have issues with members delving too deep into models personal lives, seeking out the "truth" and members actually trying to date models. To most models they feel that members only wanted them if they're single is irrelevant (unless they were trying to date them) so it's a bit of a roll your eyes moment, but it's not the end of the world.
What you did in this situation is said that you didn't want to date models, but then gave us a load of mixed messages making it seem like you were on the market for dating models, or at least that you try and make them have feelings for you and get off on it.

And you "always" treat models with respect then saying "unless" means you don't always treat them with respect. In fact you've made a few statements which sound extremely disrespectful to models in general. You also clearly treat them in a respectful manner until they displease you. Treating someone with respect is very different to treating them in a respectful way when it suits you. I haven't read anything you've said that sounds like you respect models in the slightest. Maybe this is just how you've come across, but it is how you've presented yourself, so how else do you think we're going to react to you?
 
Joeternal said:
2. It's totally understandable that someone who didn't fit my personal criteria would feel offended by that, even though I should be nobody to them, and everybody has different tastes. It's also totally understandable that a cam girl with a boyfriend would feel the need to strongly insist nothing ever happens between members and models in order to reassure him he has nothing to worry about, even though she knows that's not true. But neither of those things are an excuse for jumping all over somebody and attacking them personally.

I'm going to have to double post as you wrote this as I was typing, but this second statement. This is not why the models here aren't responding well to you. Relationship status has nothing to do with it. We don't care that you won't visit us. Like you said, you're nobody to us. You are only somebody to us on this forum because you've come here. No one has attacked you personally, at least not before perhaps the last page, before they were just responding to you. They have simply responded to the information you've given them and the style which you've written your posts.

And camgirls with boyfriends also don't strongly insist that nothing ever happens between members and models. They certainly don't do it to make it seem like he has nothing to "worry about".

There are a lot of camgirls out there. Most of those you meet and get close to will probably be a camgirl for at least a few years, in that time they will get close to countless members and have plenty of members wanting to get close to them. All the members who speak to her are attracted to her. All the members who tip her feel she's worth the time and money. There is a small chance that she's in a certain place in her life where she might start looking online for a relationship, and there's a small chance one of those members might be someone she's attracted to both physically and personality wise. These models tend to spend years talking to these members before anything develops, and when something does develop they change the dynamic of the relationship, he stops tipping and they meet up. For a model there is a low chance of this happening, and zero chance if you're not on the market for it. To develop feelings for a member you have to be in the right frame of mind. You don't just fall for them when you're in a happy relationship or have no issues with being single.

For a member these odds are like a million to one. He chooses a model out of thousands, he has no idea what she's like, if she's ever going to be in a frame of mind to date a member and if she'll actually like him, and if she sniffs out he wants to date her she'll run a mile. If you were looking to date a model you'd have to spend at least 6 months to a year tipping this model enough to make her notice you and give you extra time, chat to her, she'd have to actually like your personality (and you'll probably never know) and then she'd have to get curious enough to actually want to see you and at that time actually be in the frame of mind of someone who wants to date a member, which is a seriously small chance. Oh and hope there's not another member who'd make it to the cut first. Then of course even if the model is interested, there's a difference between her expressing interest and actually meeting up with a member. Some fancy members but never go through with meeting up.

The models who express very quickly that they want to meet up are quite often scammers or the grey area of models who will be much more flirty with members in a way that could lead them on, which is why the members who want to date models end up in these traps. They don't go after normal honest models, they find the "too good to be true" models. Hence why we have warned you and have been questioning your motives. Not to personally attack you, but to try and stop these situations from happening. Believe it or not these things happen all the time and we get a lot of "I fell for a cam girl" threads here.
 
I would totally be behind a little bit more involved searching mechanic on MFC. I tend to have all the models I want to watch on my friends list already, but I'd like to believe I would have found them earlier if a better search/filter was available. Might be the case; might not. Still, I think it's something that would be cool to see.

As far as the other pages of this thread go, if you're still pullin' on this dude's post or the attitude in his subsequent posts, drop it. It's been dragged on long enough. The dude threw a little bit of the personal into his initial post. We all do it. I did it in the "Rap" Poll Thread in Random. Nobody jumped on me there, so let's jump on him no more.

Joeternal, don't bother replyin' to posts you feel are attacks. The more you do it; the more you leave yourself open for attacks by the same cat or others. The last few pages are evidence enough of that. Let it be. Let it flow.

In conclusion, MFC...get at it with the search. I'd dig it.
 
DuoShi said:
Joeternal, don't bother replyin' to posts you feel are attacks. The more you do it; the more you leave yourself open for attacks by the same cat or others. The last few pages are evidence enough of that. Let it be. Let it flow.

Yep. I've said everything I have to say.
 
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To be fair to the OP, if my first post on this forum had resulted in one throw-away sentence that wasn't even important to the overall point of my post and was only used as an example to be pounced on and incessantly questioned over the course of however many pages we're at now, with each of my subsequent posts being cross-examined by a self-appointed jury ultimately telling me that I'm at best delusional and at worst a liar... I probably wouldn't have come back, ya know?
 
It's been educational on some level. Take this gem:

Isabella_deL said:
No one was attacking you, we were just responding to your post and showing reasonable concern in this situation. Members being delusional about what myfreecams is for can have severe negative impacts on both models and members, and it happens all the time. Regardless of whether this was the case in your situation or not, it's easier for us to just explain it anyway to try and deter this situation happening.

Leaving aside the implicit insult directed at me, following the claim that no one is attacking me (you might be delusional), it's good to understand that this mindset exists. The statement about "what myfreecams is for" is a direct contradiction of MFC's own stated guidelines. If models and members want to date, or have any other kind of relationship that isn't illegal, they're all for it.

There is a site I visited before MFC, that had extremely tight restrictions on interaction between models and members. They logged, monitored and recorded every chat, and their software would automatically kick you out of a model's room if you typed "Facebook", "Twitter", "email" and so forth. That site is a ghost town now, and all of their models have migrated to MFC.

Maybe that kind of site would be better for models who are extremely paranoid. Or if you just want to collect money for getting naked without having much personal interaction, maybe Streamate or some other site is best for you.

But the fact that MFC clearly positions itself as a wide open site where there are no rules means that if a substantial number of models have the mentality exhibited here, they're trying to hold members to a separate set of rules that MFC doesn't hold them to. If somebody asks you personal questions, you're perfectly within your rights to decline to answer. If they ask you out on a date, you're perfectly within your rights to decline the offer. But you have no right right to attack that guy and accuse him of all kinds of crazy things, when he's merely acting in accordance with MFC's own rules.

The best thing about MFC is that it allows models to succeed however they want to. The "shut up and give me your money" attitude expressed here is harmful to models who don't want to spend all day shoving stuff up their ass. And it gives models who buy into a license to lie to and manipulate members to get their money, because hey after all, it's just "fantasy".

Very enlightening, without a doubt. I probably understand much better now exactly why I don't like the models I don't like on MFC.
 
Joeternal said:
The best thing about MFC is that it allows models to succeed however they want to. The "shut up and give me your money" attitude expressed here is harmful to models who don't want to spend all day shoving stuff up their ass. And it gives models who buy into a license to lie to and manipulate members to get their money, because hey after all, it's just "fantasy".

Dude just drop it. You keep moaning about us responding to these points but you keep continuing. You clearly haven't read or understood anything that I have tried to explain to you. The "delusional" comment was not directed at you, it was directed at members who are delusional. Believe it or not there are a shit ton of them.

I don't think any models have made any posts that say they have a "shut up and give me your money" attitude, I don't even know where you're getting this from. Not telling a member about your relationship status for your own reasons isn't exactly lying or manipulating them, it's not telling a complete stranger personal details about your life. And actually a large amount of members like chatting to models who feel they can completely be themselves and not judged for their personal life. I'm totally honest with members who actually tip me and get to know me about my life situations (within reason) and I don't spend any time "shoving things up my ass", oh and I'm also completely honest that I'm on myfreecams for money!

I'm sorry, I'm finding it really difficult not to respond when I see such ignorant comments. Yes myfreecams doesn't stop members and models from dating, just like a lot of businesses wouldn't stop a worker dating a customer. That doesn't mean workers or customers should use businesses as dating sites. They should use it for its function and if stuff happens then stuff happens. This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
 
Isabella_deL said:
Not telling a member about your relationship status for your own reasons isn't exactly lying or manipulating them, it's not telling a complete stranger personal details about your life.

Um, how many times have you stated on the forums that you are in a relationship but you list your status as single? Isn't that lying?

Isabella_deL said:
I'm sorry, I'm finding it really difficult not to respond when I see such ignorant comments.

And I'm sorry, but I find it difficult not to respond when people keep making the same hypocritical comments over and over.
 
The only reason I've made these last few posts is because it's finally fallen into place for me why I was attacked the way I was for what seemed to me to be innocuous statements. Like I said, it's been educational.
 
RainyDayGuy said:
Isabella_deL said:
Not telling a member about your relationship status for your own reasons isn't exactly lying or manipulating them, it's not telling a complete stranger personal details about your life.

Um, how many times have you stated on the forums that you are in a relationship but you list your status as single? Isn't that lying?

Isabella_deL said:
I'm sorry, I'm finding it really difficult not to respond when I see such ignorant comments.

And I'm sorry, but I find it difficult not to respond when people keep making the same hypocritical comments over and over.
Since when can't you be in a relationship and not be counted as single? Nowhere does Isabella say she's married, so she IS single. In this thread it's been explained over and over why a model may not wish to disclose her relationship status--why are you attacking this? Hypocrisy is a very powerful word and in this instance a case of jumping the shark.
 
Nordling said:
Since when can't you be in a relationship and not be counted as single? Nowhere does Isabella say she's married, so she IS single. In this thread it's been explained over and over why a model may not wish to disclose her relationship status--why are you attacking this? Hypocrisy is a very powerful word and in this instance a case of jumping the shark.

Just in this thread,

Isabella_deL said:
mynameisbob84 said:
One thing I can't help but wonder is how many of the models who would be against members viewing MFC as a dating site (in general, not specifically the models in this thread), are the same models who claim to be single despite being in a relationship.

This is something I can answer. I still list myself as single because I don't like members asking about my relationship. It's none of their business, I literally hate personal questions about my sex life or comments about my boyfriend.

There is a big difference between not discussing your relationship status and listing yourself as single when you are not. It is hypocritical to complain about members wanting to date you when you have listed yourself as single and the implied (and sometimes directly stated) reason for doing so is to attract more people to your room and make more money.
 
Nordling said:
RainyDayGuy said:
Isabella_deL said:
Not telling a member about your relationship status for your own reasons isn't exactly lying or manipulating them, it's not telling a complete stranger personal details about your life.

Um, how many times have you stated on the forums that you are in a relationship but you list your status as single? Isn't that lying?

Isabella_deL said:
I'm sorry, I'm finding it really difficult not to respond when I see such ignorant comments.

And I'm sorry, but I find it difficult not to respond when people keep making the same hypocritical comments over and over.
Since when can't you be in a relationship and not be counted as single? Nowhere does Isabella say she's married, so she IS single. In this thread it's been explained over and over why a model may not wish to disclose her relationship status--why are you attacking this? Hypocrisy is a very powerful word and in this instance a case of jumping the shark.


Good point! In the eyes of the law, not married=single. When the census folks come around, they mark you as " single" if you're dating or engaged.

I don't see why some people care so much, though. The only situation where it even matters if a model's involved or not would be if she were to lead her viewers to think that she's interested in dating them when she's not, but that's certainly not the case with probably 99% of models who blur the truth on their relationship status. While it's true that there are scammers out there, they are few and far between.
 
Nordling said:
Since when can't you be in a relationship and not be counted as single? Nowhere does Isabella say she's married, so she IS single. In this thread it's been explained over and over why a model may not wish to disclose her relationship status--why are you attacking this? Hypocrisy is a very powerful word and in this instance a case of jumping the shark.

MFC provides models and members several options for martial status. One choice is no answer so the field doesn't even appear on the profile. This seems to me to be an honest way that models with serious boyfriends and/or married can avoid dealing with the issue. A second answer is "involved", this seems to be far more accurate description of Isabella status than single.

But what the hell it is the internet and members can be billionaires with 12" inch cocks and 40 years old models can be 21 year old virginal nymphomaniacs if they want to be.

But if you accuse somebody of lying, you open yourself up for additional scrutiny. How is this jumping the shark?
 
Let's go somewhere then!
I'm going to send off an email to MFC support suggesting the ability to search multiple tags, and maybe the option to see offline models who have logged on within 30 day or so.

The more messages they get the better!
 
HiGirlsRHot said:
Nordling said:
Since when can't you be in a relationship and not be counted as single? Nowhere does Isabella say she's married, so she IS single. In this thread it's been explained over and over why a model may not wish to disclose her relationship status--why are you attacking this? Hypocrisy is a very powerful word and in this instance a case of jumping the shark.

MFC provides models and members several options for martial status. One choice is no answer so the field doesn't even appear on the profile. This seems to me to be an honest way that models with serious boyfriends and/or married can avoid dealing with the issue. A second answer is "involved", this seems to be far more accurate description of Isabella status than single.

But what the hell it is the internet and members can be billionaires with 12" inch cocks and 40 years old models can be 21 year old virginal nymphomaniacs if they want to be.

But if you accuse somebody of lying, you open yourself up for additional scrutiny. How is this jumping the shark?
Hypocrisy is what I noted, not lying. Although they are related words, I consider calling someone you don't really know a hypocrite to be a very serious, accusation. I would never call Isabella a hypocrite. Everybody lies, as the song goes, but hypocrisy is serious shit.
 
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RainyDayGuy said:
Nordling said:
Since when can't you be in a relationship and not be counted as single? Nowhere does Isabella say she's married, so she IS single. In this thread it's been explained over and over why a model may not wish to disclose her relationship status--why are you attacking this? Hypocrisy is a very powerful word and in this instance a case of jumping the shark.

Just in this thread,

Isabella_deL said:
mynameisbob84 said:
One thing I can't help but wonder is how many of the models who would be against members viewing MFC as a dating site (in general, not specifically the models in this thread), are the same models who claim to be single despite being in a relationship.

This is something I can answer. I still list myself as single because I don't like members asking about my relationship. It's none of their business, I literally hate personal questions about my sex life or comments about my boyfriend.

There is a big difference between not discussing your relationship status and listing yourself as single when you are not. It is hypocritical to complain about members wanting to date you when you have listed yourself as single and the implied (and sometimes directly stated) reason for doing so is to attract more people to your room and make more money.
So harmless advertising practice is now that serious to you? So serious that you'd call a valued member of this community a hypocrite? It's one thing to say you disagree with the practice, but by name calling, you truly are jumping the shark.
 
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HiGirlsRHot said:
Nordling said:
Since when can't you be in a relationship and not be counted as single? Nowhere does Isabella say she's married, so she IS single. In this thread it's been explained over and over why a model may not wish to disclose her relationship status--why are you attacking this? Hypocrisy is a very powerful word and in this instance a case of jumping the shark.

MFC provides models and members several options for martial status. One choice is no answer so the field doesn't even appear on the profile. This seems to me to be an honest way that models with serious boyfriends and/or married can avoid dealing with the issue. A second answer is "involved", this seems to be far more accurate description of Isabella status than single.

But what the hell it is the internet and members can be billionaires with 12" inch cocks and 40 years old models can be 21 year old virginal nymphomaniacs if they want to be.

But if you accuse somebody of lying, you open yourself up for additional scrutiny. How is this jumping the shark?

I would never judge a model for lying about her relationship status regardless of what it is and here's why...

If a model lists herself as single but has a significant other consider the possibility that it's because she doesn't want to answer questions about that person and their relationship. We share a LOT of ourselves with people but sometimes it's nice to keep some things to ourselves. Relationships are private. If you were dating a cam model (and I know some of you would never consider it, so think about your significant other sharing your most intimate moments with all her friends instead) I don't think you would want her discussing it. Personally, even if I was dating someone, casually or seriously, I would lie about it. Why? Because he wouldn't be part of my work and therefore I don't want to discuss him. That's my decision and if someone thinks I'm a terrible person for lying about it then I don't really want them in my life anyway. I would rather lie to thousands of men than to have to deflect questions about my significant other.

I'm honest about being married/divorced and when it comes up I can't believe the shit guys say about my ex without knowing anything about him... "what a dumbass to let you go" or "man, he must have been stupid" or "did he cheat on you?" or "he must not have been able to satisfy you, huh?". It may be hard for some people to believe but he and I are still friends and have a tremendous amount of love and respect for each other. These comments are tacky and rude and instead of being flattered (should I be flattered by these comments?) I'm absolutely appalled. Then I feel like I have to defend him and our relationship! Ugh. So, when I'm on cam looking for sexy good times I don't want to talk about him or any of my other partners. It's not about wanting to deceive someone, it's about protecting the people I love and not sharing our life together with random people on the internet. I realize that sounds harsh, but please try to put yourself in a model's shoes when it comes to lying/not disclosing every detail of her life and relationships with people they don't know.

TL;DR
At the end of the day I would much rather say I was single and deal with men asking to meet/date/fuck me than to have them ask about my significant other. :)
 
Yeah I think this is just going down one of those roads... It feels like a car crash, you shouldn't look, but you can't help it!

I also haven't changed my relationship status on myfreecams since starting, I was single when I started so I've kept it like that. I do not lie to members who actually chat to me about it, I tell them the truth, I've just decided to keep it that way to avoid unnecessary questions, comments and of course in a case that I became single again I'd rather not have to change it back. It's hardly lying and I don't think it's hypocrisy either. I'm in my early 20s, I might stay with my boyfriend forever and get married etc, but I may also have lots of relationships before I finally settle down. Maybe I should change it, but honestly it's not something I've ever thought about or has ever negatively effected me. I haven't deliberately put it like that to lie, I just haven't seen a need to update it. If I were to change it I'd just not disclose it to avoid comments, but no one who's a tipper has ever seemed to give a crap so really I don't see the need to go to the effort to appease people who've never even tipped me.

I don't get many issues with members getting too clingy or expressing they want to date, I am very blunt as a person and make my feelings on this sort of thing extremely clear. Those who want to cling tend to move on very quickly. Those who stick around are the guys who enjoy a social atmosphere and like the friendship aspects and seem pretty happy with how it is. Maybe I'd make more money if I cammed a different way, but I made the decision when I first started that extra income wouldn't be worth the mental stress of camming in a way that wasn't comfortable for me.

It's not something that should have to be explained. I see it as much lying as if someone hadn't bothered updating their relationship status on Facebook. I mean call the internet police and call out everyone on Facebook who hasn't changed their relationship status or status's where they live. Girls who list themselves as single there should expect tons of dating requests from strangers! Can't complain, they said they were single! Clearly means they want to date!
 
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Here's my solution: models who are in a relationship should say so on their profile, and then list "single roleplay" as one of their offerings. That way the guy knows exactly what he's getting into, and exactly how much "fantasy" is involved. :thumbleft:

As members go, MFC has made quite a bit of money off of me over time. There are individual models who I've tipped a lot. I've been known to tip 1000 tokens just because I like somebody, without asking for anything in return. I've been known to take models private for an hour or more just to chat, with no "show" involved. I'm the rare thing known as a tipper, not a freeloader.

So keep that in mind when you sit around and talk behind our backs, or whatever it is you do in the "Models Only" forum, about how you should pepper spray and ban any guy who wants to get to know you on a personal level. I will tip big, but I'm not going to tip someone big unless I get to know them and like them. If I just wanted to anonymously look at some girl getting naked and doing whatever else she might do, there's free porn all over the internet. Or you can just sit in a model's room on MFC and freeload. Having some real interaction and getting to know each other is the thing that sets MFC apart, and anyone who thinks otherwise might be delusional about what MFC is for. :) :twocents-02cents:
 
Joeternal said:
Here's my solution: models who are in a relationship should say so on their profile, and then list "single roleplay" as one of their offerings. That way the guy knows exactly what he's getting into, and exactly how much "fantasy" is involved.

I suggest you write to MFC with your recommendation.

...I've tipped a lot.

I've been known to tip...

I'm the rare thing known as...

I will tip big...

I'm sure you will have their full attention.

So keep that in mind when you sit around and talk behind our backs, or whatever it is you do in the "Models Only" forum...

We just talk about sports.
 
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