My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co.

[AllisonWilder]

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Hun... you make so many assumptions, it's just, so...
$150. That's about a quarter of rent in the CHEAPEST city in Amercia? We have to earn 4x that much in a week to even qualify to rent an apartment in a place where we don't have to worry about our shit getting stolen and our tires slashed.

I pay $400 in rent for a two story house in a good neighborhood... $600 a month for an apartment? I'd die.

$400 a month for rent is extremely cheap for most people. You're lucky.

Really? I live close to Buffalo, NY. My brother just bought a house down in NC (New) and is paying around 500 a month mortgage and my step-sister is paying 350 for an apartment. Maybe I'm from a family of bargain hunters Never heard of an apartment, unless it's really luxurious, or in NYC, costing 600 a month or more for "bare minimum". Again, I'd die

Double post! I live in Minnesota. In the cheapest part of my city, my last 1-bedroom apartment cost $600 a month plus utilities. My last 2-bedroom apartment cost $850 plus utilities and I had to pay to have a space in the lot so my car wouldn't get vandalized on the street.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

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I need to make 60,000tkns a month to pay for my PART of the 1bedroom apartment.
Also, like the other models have said, you don't know what she needs the money for. Some models have 3+ children.

 

[UncleThursday]

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Hun... you make so many assumptions, it's just, so...
$150. That's about a quarter of rent in the CHEAPEST city in Amercia? We have to earn 4x that much in a week to even qualify to rent an apartment in a place where we don't have to worry about our shit getting stolen and our tires slashed.

I pay $400 in rent for a two story house in a good neighborhood... $600 a month for an apartment? I'd die.

$400 a month for rent is extremely cheap for most people. You're lucky.

It's cheap for most people, since most people live in the more populated areas of the US (East coast I-95 corridor, West coast, along the Mississipi River, other heavily populated areas). But, there are actually plenty of areas in the US where you can find decent places to live at fairly cheap prices. Mostly because A. not a lot of people live in the areas to begin with, B. wages are lower because the cost of living is lower (OK, though we can be real here and say finding decently paying jobs in the higher cost of living areas is also hard as fuck right now) and C. there's absolutely Jack shit to do around there anyway.

My brother was looking at a job in an area of Tennessee near where our grandfather lives, so near Crossville. It was in his field (physics degree) so it payed fairly decent. Looking for a 1 bedroom apartment if he got the job, he found that there were plenty of $300-$400 per month apartments that were decent. Plus he got a quote from USAA about his car insurance, and it was going to be $96 a year for liability.

For the record, the company I work for is also based out of TN, which is why they feel what they pay us is good money. Which it is, for TN. In NJ? It's shit.

I worked with a guy at my last job, where I made slightly more than I do now. They asked him to transfer to the Louisville Kentucky office/warehouse. I asked him if he was getting a raise for it and he said no. But because of the cost of living difference, he said it was basically like getting a raise. Just in the cost difference in apartments, he was instantly saving at least $200 a month in rent, alone.

Check out rent.com and you can see the differences in housing costs. I did to try and get more money at my job. The website plainly stated that TN is the 3rd cheapest state in the Union to live in; with the cost of living being an average of 10% cheaper than the average cost of living in the US and housing/apartment costs being an average of 20% cheaper than the national average. While it stated my state, NJ, is one of the most expensive states to live in; with the cost of living being 35% above the national average and housing/apartment costs being over 70% above the national average. It also stated the average across the state of NJ for a 1 bedroom apartment is $800 a month, though that is because of North Jersey's proximity to NYC. But, even where I live, outside of Philadelphia, good luck finding a halfway decent 1 bedroom apartment for under $650 a month in just rent.

Luna is right and wrong in her assessment of rent. For major cities, she is most definitely in the right. For other areas? Her thinking $150 is 1/4 of rent for a month could be closer to 1/3 or even 1/2 of rent for a decent apartment. But, we pretty much all base our assessments of how much it costs to live by where we already live. I mean, shit, when my brother told me that quote of $96 a year for liability insurance on a car, I almost crashed the car we were in. In NJ, you'll be lucky if you're paying under $1000 a year for just liability insurance.

 

[bob]

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From what I read here, it would seem that most people are realistic about MFC and its role in our lives. But unlike the rest of you, I think that a large percentage of people are, as I called it, lost in MFC world.

etc.

the threads here are full of the "wtf" from participants here about those "lost" members at MFC. :lol: ....not really a fair statement to say that you're the only one here who sees it
but i'd agree there are some real tragedies
i'd also agree that almost every room has at least one guy (guest, basic or premie) who comes in questioning everything based on personal, generic assumptions....for me, it feels like a knife edge of anger glinting in the sun.

personally, after i've dismissed the kids and their bombast, the self-righteous on a personal mission, and the ones who hate themselves for loving camland, and can only blame it on the site's existence.....i'm left with guys who i assume are recovering from something that happened to them in camland.....that number is not so big.

I just find the whole MFC dynamic, with its topics, camscores and MissMFC competition bizarre and potentially destructive to members.

kinda like sitting in a very comfortable metal and plastic box powered by a computer controlled bomb, and cruising down the road at 70mph? :-D
yeah....sure its potentially destructive....but it still gets most people where they want to go.

To say it yet again, it just seems to me that guys are placing too strong an emphasis on an artificial relationship and trying to help people out that really don't care all that much about them. And these tips that are "not for topic" are just obvious attempts by members to act like they are above everyone else.....

as to the first sentence.....yeah....i see some of that....but i see models who DO care too: sure the relationships could accurately be called "working relationships", and for some guys, it's emotionally difficult to sift that truth out onto the cutting board of reality....and they do things like help out models "just because" or tip "not for topic" to get a certain quality of attention from that woman.

but that's why they're there, isn't it?....it doesn't automatically make them fools because they choose not to see the site the way you do....as a porn site, pure and simple.....unless perhaps it's you who see you yourself as being "above everybody else" because of the clarity of your vision.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[Nordling]

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Hun... you make so many assumptions, it's just, so...
$150. That's about a quarter of rent in the CHEAPEST city in Amercia? We have to earn 4x that much in a week to even qualify to rent an apartment in a place where we don't have to worry about our shit getting stolen and our tires slashed.

I pay $400 in rent for a two story house in a good neighborhood... $600 a month for an apartment? I'd die.

$400 a month for rent is extremely cheap for most people. You're lucky.

It's cheap for most people, since most people live in the more populated areas of the US (East coast I-95 corridor, West coast, along the Mississipi River, other heavily populated areas). But, there are actually plenty of areas in the US where you can find decent places to live at fairly cheap prices. Mostly because A. not a lot of people live in the areas to begin with, B. wages are lower because the cost of living is lower (OK, though we can be real here and say finding decently paying jobs in the higher cost of living areas is also hard as fuck right now) and C. there's absolutely Jack shit to do around there anyway.

My brother was looking at a job in an area of Tennessee near where our grandfather lives, so near Crossville. It was in his field (physics degree) so it payed fairly decent. Looking for a 1 bedroom apartment if he got the job, he found that there were plenty of $300-$400 per month apartments that were decent. Plus he got a quote from USAA about his car insurance, and it was going to be $96 a year for liability.

For the record, the company I work for is also based out of TN, which is why they feel what they pay us is good money. Which it is, for TN. In NJ? It's shit.

I worked with a guy at my last job, where I made slightly more than I do now. They asked him to transfer to the Louisville Kentucky office/warehouse. I asked him if he was getting a raise for it and he said no. But because of the cost of living difference, he said it was basically like getting a raise. Just in the cost difference in apartments, he was instantly saving at least $200 a month in rent, alone.

Check out rent.com and you can see the differences in housing costs. I did to try and get more money at my job. The website plainly stated that TN is the 3rd cheapest state in the Union to live in; with the cost of living being an average of 10% cheaper than the average cost of living in the US and housing/apartment costs being an average of 20% cheaper than the national average. While it stated my state, NJ, is one of the most expensive states to live in; with the cost of living being 35% above the national average and housing/apartment costs being over 70% above the national average. It also stated the average across the state of NJ for a 1 bedroom apartment is $800 a month, though that is because of North Jersey's proximity to NYC. But, even where I live, outside of Philadelphia, good luck finding a halfway decent 1 bedroom apartment for under $650 a month in just rent.

Luna is right and wrong in her assessment of rent. For major cities, she is most definitely in the right. For other areas? Her thinking $150 is 1/4 of rent for a month could be closer to 1/3 or even 1/2 of rent for a decent apartment. But, we pretty much all base our assessments of how much it costs to live by where we already live. I mean, shit, when my brother told me that quote of $96 a year for liability insurance on a car, I almost crashed the car we were in. In NJ, you'll be lucky if you're paying under $1000 a year for just liability insurance.

All true, but it misses the point...are all models expected to move to the West Virginia hills to live?

I live in Oregon, which isn't close to rent in NYC or LA...but a modest 2-bedroom may easily cost $825/mo or more.

 

[UncleThursday]

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I need to make 60,000tkns a month to pay for my PART of the 1bedroom apartment.
Also, like the other models have said, you don't know what she needs the money for. Some models have 3+ children.

This is part of why I could never live in Southern California, Megan. I stayed with some friends who had a 2 bedroom apartment in Woodland Hills and it cost them $5000 in rent. But your bedroom, alone, looks bigger than the living room they had in that apartment. The guy in the relationship is a video game designer, though, and at the time worked for Neversoft (Tony Hawk's Pro Skater series and Guitar Hero series from GH3 on), so he made decent money. Now he works for Bungie (Halo series until recently) and lives near Redmond, WA. His rent is a lot cheaper now.

The other major part being I'm not hot enough to survive there. :lol:

Seriously, the few times I have been to LA for conventions, I thought I must be one of the ugliest people in the city.

 

[PinkiePixi]

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Hun... you make so many assumptions, it's just, so...
$150. That's about a quarter of rent in the CHEAPEST city in Amercia? We have to earn 4x that much in a week to even qualify to rent an apartment in a place where we don't have to worry about our shit getting stolen and our tires slashed.

I pay $400 in rent for a two story house in a good neighborhood... $600 a month for an apartment? I'd die.

$400 a month for rent is extremely cheap for most people. You're lucky.

Really? I live close to Buffalo, NY. My brother just bought a house down in NC (New) and is paying around 500 a month mortgage and my step-sister is paying 350 for an apartment. Maybe I'm from a family of bargain hunters Never heard of an apartment, unless it's really luxurious, or in NYC, costing 600 a month or more for "bare minimum". Again, I'd die

Double post! I live in Minnesota. In the cheapest part of my city, my last 1-bedroom apartment cost $600 a month plus utilities. My last 2-bedroom apartment cost $850 plus utilities and I had to pay to have a space in the lot so my car wouldn't get vandalized on the street.

Living in a shitty fucking part of NYC (manhattan) costs me over $1,200 a month for a TINY one bedroom place thats incredibly old with serious heating/plumbing/rodent issues, and drug dealing neighbors. And that is by far one of the cheaper apts you can get on the island without living in a housing project (or I assume, I admittedly dont know much about them.)

 

[bob]

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This is part of why I could never live in Southern California, Megan. I stayed with some friends who had a 2 bedroom apartment in Woodland Hills and it cost them $5000 in rent.

if they ever move back....tell 'em i'll be happy to rent them my 4 bedroom house, with a pool, for that.....i'll need a little time to evict the family that's only paying 3800 for it, tho :lol:

 

[UncleThursday]

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All true, but it misses the point...are all models expected to move to the West Virginia hills to live?

I live in Oregon, which isn't close to rent in NYC or LA...but a modest 2-bedroom may easily cost $825/mo or more.

No, I'm not saying that. But I am saying that it costs different to live in different areas. Where we both think $400 a month is cheap for a 1 bedroom apartment, for some places people would scoff at that as being super expensive for what it is.

But, we're going by our assessment based on what we see in where we live.

I know a model with 4 kids who lives in Kansas, has a 4 bedroom house and pays $500 a month in mortgage. When I told her that the same sized house on similar land would be at least $3000 a month in mortgage, here, she nearly died. But, she has never lived in an area where it has been much more expensive to live. So she doesn't have any idea of the price difference in areas of the US.

For example, I'd never want to live in Hawaii. I know people who live there, and know how much they pay for everything. It makes my area seem cheap in comparison. But for some people, they think they could definitely live there for the weather, but they simply do not know how much more expensive everything is in that state.

The US is a big country. There's no one standard we can place on how much things cost. In one area, what some people view as expensive, people from another area would view as normal, or even cheap (cost of rent, food, gas, cigarettes, etc.).

So, we can't assume all models have the same expenses, just as the models can't assume all members have the same expenses.

 

[Nordling]

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Exactly. Which is why it's not germane to list what an individual pays when we're discussing why it's not fair to accuse a model of "making too much," which is silly anyway.

"Hey, I live under a bridge! I pay no rent! Why should you ask for tokens!?"

 

[UncleThursday]

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Living in a shitty fucking part of NYC (manhattan) costs me over $1,200 a month for a TINY one bedroom place thats incredibly old with serious heating/plumbing/rodent issues, and drug dealing neighbors. And that is by far one of the cheaper apts you can get on the island without living in a housing project (or I assume, I admittedly dont know much about them.)

Pixi brings up a big point. One that I learned years ago.

In the mid 90s I knew a guy who lived in Philly but took a job in NYC when his former job didn't want to pay him and extra $5000 a year as a software designer. So he found a company in NYC that jumped at the chance to pay him $10,000 more per year than his Philly job (which is all he asked for), but he didn't move to NYC. He commuted by train. And the NYC company thought they were getting a steal.

Why?

They found some cost of living calculator online at the time, and I'm sure we could find one if we wanted, now; and it showed that to live the same lifestyle you were used to in the Philly area at $40k a year (at that time, mid-90s), you would have to be making over $100k in NYC. So, even paying to commute, he was still bringing home more money than he was before; and the company in NYC was saving money because they fully expected most people to be asking over $100k a year for that same job. They were basically payng him half of what they expected him to ask for.

And Philly is less than 120 miles from NYC. Not far at all. But, in that short distance, the cost of living more than doubles.

NYC is expensive as shit.

 

[UncleThursday]

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This is part of why I could never live in Southern California, Megan. I stayed with some friends who had a 2 bedroom apartment in Woodland Hills and it cost them $5000 in rent.

if they ever move back....tell 'em i'll be happy to rent them my 4 bedroom house, with a pool, for that.....i'll need a little time to evict the family that's only paying 3800 for it, tho :lol:

I think he and his wife and her 2 kids are quite happy in the Redmond area. He makes more at Bungie than he did at Neversoft and pays far less for everything. :lol:

But, Megan is paying $3k for her part of the rent for her apartment. So, it's easy to assume the apartment she lives in is $6k a month. To which I say :help:

 

[JustAnothePerv]

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Just for the record, my comments referred to higher rated models that get will get big tips repeatedly from a few members. For example, the "5000 so I can got out with my friends" topic referred to a model that wanted that for one night. In fact, she wanted it in about 2 hours, and got it. That was literally her topic, and sure enough, her lost puppies tipped her all the way off of MFC and straight to some restaurant or club.

I am not referring to the average model on MFC. And I certainly know that 5000 tokens, after taxes, would hardly be enough to survive on in a month. But the models that I am referring to often make 5000 tokens in a few hours, and often live in countries where they can get away with not paying taxes.

It is situations like that I find absurd. I think that far more often than not, the members dropping those nukes have lost touched with reality and feel like they are supporting "friends" as opposed to someone that will soon be a stranger to them.

And do I know every model's financial needs? Of course not. But again, I was referring to models raking in the big bucks, not your average model. While it is possible that some model may have needs that go beyond her needing $20,000/month, be it before or after taxes, I am guessing that she is doing just fine.

MFC, its camscore situation, and its Miss MFC contest is all set up for member manipulation, be it intentionally done by models or not. Topic - help raise my camscore. Topic - get me to #... Go TeamABC! Rah! Rah! Rah! I just find it ridiculous, and it appears to me that a lot of members get lost in it all.

When a model with a 1500 camscore tells me she is upset about her score, I believe her. When one with a 5000 camscore does the same, I try not to throw up. And when I see models cry with tears of joy when they end up #1 and tears of sadness because they just miss out on being top 3, I just keep thinking "This is pathetic." Sorry, but is just how I look at the whole situation, and those nukes that the top models get in the name of true friendship strike me as absurd.

 

[16_bit]

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So many points to cover so i'll just stick to the few i have a response to already.

First, for those members with this supposed strong connection to a model, did you ever see her doing a show BEFORE this connection developed? Second, now that you have this personal connection, do you leave the room whenever she does a show, or even if she is simply wearing a bra and panties and doing sexy things? Third, once the topic is reached, even if you didn't "tip for topic" because you are such good friends and want to just help her out, do you leave the room before the show starts? And finally, how often do you "check out" your "friend" while logged in as a guest or basic?

Just because a member is friends with a model doesn't mean they have to leave and never see a show. I'm sure most of us have 'real life' friends that we check out and would like to see naked, but that doesn't mean we're deluded in our friendship with them. Hell, the model i'm friends with, most of her friends have seen her naked at some point with her being a stripper and it doesn't concern her at all, people are different and while some would hate the thought of their friends seeing them naked, others aren't fussed.

The problem is that, more often than not, these guys that are being nice and helping a model out will lose touch with them in time. The model will finish school, hopefully get a decent job and move on with her life. She will do EXACTLY what the goodhearted member intended. But often, she will leave him behind. What is she going to do? Be friends with some guy from a porn site and introduce him to her husband one day as "John, the nice guy that I met on that porn site I used to be on."? You think her husband is ever going to believe John never pictured or even saw his wife naked unless she was truly a non-nude model and be comfortable being around him? You think the model is going to want to have John in her life when doing so 1) reminds her of a past that she is very likely happy that she left behind and 2) risk having her relationship with a guy from a porn site interfere with her marriage?

In a word, yes. Not all friendships will last (but not just because they are online) and they won't all fail when the model leaves mfc and gets a partner. The model i'm friends with intends on keeping in touch with as many as she can when she eventually leaves mfc, of course we'll talk to her less as we'll also have things in our own life but if you want the friendship, you'll find a way. And i knew her now ex boyfriend and i talked to him a fair bit, he didn't seem to have a problem with me at all. Models partners are going to be different, some will be jealous and some would be fine with it and become friends with the member too.
And i wouldn't agree that models would be very happy they left behind camming, most are proud of what they do and will think fondly back at the days on getting on cam, i get that feeling from a lot of models on this forum.

But it is not, and anyone who says that they are on MFC, a porn site, just for the social aspects of things, is delusional or a liar in my view.
I think that the member is being generous and personally, if it isn't a non-nude model, I enjoy the show that often results, lol.

Then delude me up!! You seem so convinced that mfc has to be a porn site, you seem to need to label it and that you can only enjoy the naked/sexual side of it. Why couldn't you enjoy a show from a non nude model? They might not get naked but they still could put on a great show depending on what it was. And I, like many others on this forum, enjoy the social side of mfc and not just with models, but with other members. The members room introduction and popularity would seem to prove that.

Seriously, "Topic - My goal is xxxx tokens."? Are you kidding me? Your topic is basically "Tip me because I want xxxx tokens."?

Depends on what the goal is for. Goals can be ways of informing members what show is on offer currently and how close it is to happening, especially when getting multiple smaller tips towards the goal. Otherwise the model would have to keep count and members wouldn't know if it was 2 tokens away or 200.

These goals are thousands of dollars in a month for a single (supposedly) model going to school in a country where tuition is often around $1000 for an entire semester.

Where the hell do you live and how can i move there? According to about.com, the average cost for an in state college is $16,357 a year. I believe most have 2 semesters, sometimes 3 so you're looking at an average of $8,000 or $5,400 a semester. Hopefully someone from the US can make a more reliable average than me, i don't really know but i know the model i'm friends with needs about $3,000 a semester.

You have your way of looking and things and i have mine, i have no wish to force my opinions on you because they are just my opinions and i have no doubt sometimes my opinions are wrong. And i did read both of your longer posts so i also read the part where you said you have no problem in general with guys following only one model, mainly with guys that tip big and claim it in terms of friendship. But your view on the site seems to be it's porn and we all here for that. MFC was the first cam/interact site i ever came across and i came to the site through curiosity. What could be free about it, how did it work and other things. I didn't think oh great, porn where i can talk. Yes the models get naked and sometimes do sexual things but they are not required to, and that's what makes it different to a porn site. Models can actually do anything they want on here, and some non nude models have been a success.
The world is becoming more open to sex and sexuality and maybe mfc reflects that. The popularity of nudists, poly relationships and friends with benefits shows that just because you've seen someone naked or doing something sexual doesn't mean you can't be friends anymore, and can sometimes bring people closer.

 

[Nordling]

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It may be ridiculous when people fly to Vegas to lose $10,000 on the tables...but I'm not going to worry about it or them. I have several friends who do this on a regular basis...they get a thrill out of it. Who am I to judge their decision?

 

[16_bit]

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It may be ridiculous when people fly to Vegas to lose $10,000 on the tables...but I'm not going to worry about it or them. I have several friends who do this on a regular basis...they get a thrill out of it. Who am I to judge their decision?

Barney Stinson! No wait, he'd probably save a thousand for strippers... :-D

 

[bob]

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When a model with a 1500 camscore tells me she is upset about her score, I believe her. When one with a 5000 camscore does the same, I try not to throw up. And when I see models cry with tears of joy when they end up #1 and tears of sadness because they just miss out on being top 3, I just keep thinking "This is pathetic." Sorry, but is just how I look at the whole situation, and those nukes that the top models get in the name of true friendship strike me as absurd.

ahhhh...ok....i can agree that there are models and members in the rare air at the top of the site who get lost in the whole mystique of MFC....and if your point is that the models are getting much more for their involvement there than the members, then i'm beginning to understand your point....

personally, it's one of the reasons the top models are of occasional and passing interest to me...and i simply do not care enough to judge either the nature of the personal relationships on that mountain top, or the psychology of the players there......

 

[AllisonWilder]

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Just for the record, my comments referred to higher rated models that get will get big tips repeatedly from a few members. For example, the "5000 so I can got out with my friends" topic referred to a model that wanted that for one night. In fact, she wanted it in about 2 hours, and got it. That was literally her topic, and sure enough, her lost puppies tipped her all the way off of MFC and straight to some restaurant or club.

First of all, no model on MFC gets the money earned that night immediately so it's pretty much irrelevant when topics say 'tip xxxx so I can go out tonight". Second of all, if you don't like it, don't watch. Members and models DO form online friendships and it's not even your business what other members tip for.

I am not referring to the average model on MFC. And I certainly know that 5000 tokens, after taxes, would hardly be enough to survive on in a month. But the models that I am referring to often make 5000 tokens in a few hours, and often live in countries where they can get away with not paying taxes.

:roll:

It is situations like that I find absurd. I think that far more often than not, the members dropping those nukes have lost touched with reality and feel like they are supporting "friends" as opposed to someone that will soon be a stranger to them.

It's not your place to judge anyone other than yourself. You have no idea what these members feel.

And do I know every model's financial needs? Of course not. But again, I was referring to models raking in the big bucks, not your average model. While it is possible that some model may have needs that go beyond her needing $20,000/month, be it before or after taxes, I am guessing that she is doing just fine.

If I made $20,000 this month, I'd have enough money to pay off ONE of my student loans and pay my cable/internet/phone bill. I would have nothing leftover. You can't assume that because a model seems to make a lot of money that they're just logging off and rolling around in their crazy amounts of money.

MFC, its camscore situation, and its Miss MFC contest is all set up for member manipulation, be it intentionally done by models or not. Topic - help raise my camscore. Topic - get me to #... Go TeamABC! Rah! Rah! Rah! I just find it ridiculous, and it appears to me that a lot of members get lost in it all.

:roll:

When a model with a 1500 camscore tells me she is upset about her score, I believe her. When one with a 5000 camscore does the same, I try not to throw up. And when I see models cry with tears of joy when they end up #1 and tears of sadness because they just miss out on being top 3, I just keep thinking "This is pathetic." Sorry, but is just how I look at the whole situation, and those nukes that the top models get in the name of true friendship strike me as absurd.

I would think that any MFC model would cry tears of joy to finish in the #1 spot. It's A LOT of hard work and ridiculously long hours. If you put everything you had into getting to the top spot and finished at #3, you would be happy, but also disappointed.

Lastly, why do you care so much about what these other members are tipping models? So long as they're not using your credit card, I would think that it shouldn't be this big of an issue.

 

[bob]

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So long as they're not using your credit card, I would think that it shouldn't be this big of an issue.

:thumbleft:

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

This is part of why I could never live in Southern California, Megan. I stayed with some friends who had a 2 bedroom apartment in Woodland Hills and it cost them $5000 in rent.

if they ever move back....tell 'em i'll be happy to rent them my 4 bedroom house, with a pool, for that.....i'll need a little time to evict the family that's only paying 3800 for it, tho :lol:

I think he and his wife and her 2 kids are quite happy in the Redmond area. He makes more at Bungie than he did at Neversoft and pays far less for everything. :lol:

But, Megan is paying $3k for her part of the rent for her apartment. So, it's easy to assume the apartment she lives in is $6k a month. To which I say :help:

I pay $1,500 for my (lesser) part of the rent. I take out 50% of everything I earn for taxes/savings. :thumbleft:

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

I will never understand why members get so wrapped in what a model is making or spending her money on. Who gives a fuck. She earned it.

Members are supposed to be on the site to interact and enjoy what the model has to offer, and if they like, tip.

I think I am going to start keeping tabs on what my Dr. makes and maybe start judging what they spend their money on, because clearly, they make too much and that is totally my business because I pay them a copayment for their services.


tl;dr: What a model makes or spends her money on is no one's business. Even if she cries in her topic. Hit next. Period. End of story.

I mostly agree and analogies are always dangerous but. Many years ago a newspaper uncovered that head of the regional United Way was making $1 million a year and spending lavishly on office and entertainment. Donation dropped because many people felt, gee I thought my money was going to help the local soup kitchen or boy scouts and it is really being used to pay for this woman extravagant life style. Now she certainly could make a case that she earned the money donations were up, and more businesses had signed up United Way. But perceptions matter.

I am more inclined to tip more for a struggling single mom, than someone who has a rich husband/boyfriend or seems dropping thousands on parties, clothes, drugs etc. However, if the rich girl is putting on a better show and I enjoy it more I'll give her more. I agree that tipping doesn't give us the right get copy of a model's tax returns, but I think it is human nature to be curious.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

I mostly agree and analogies are always dangerous but. Many years ago a newspaper uncovered that head of the regional United Way was making $1 million a year and spending lavishly on office and entertainment. Donation dropped because many people felt, gee I thought my money was going to help the local soup kitchen or boy scouts and it is really being used to pay for this woman extravagant life style. Now she certainly could make a case that she earned the money donations were up, and more businesses had signed up United Way. But perceptions matter.

I am more inclined to tip more for a struggling single mom, than someone who has a rich husband/boyfriend or seems dropping thousands on parties, clothes, drugs etc. However, if the rich girl is putting on a better show and I enjoy it more I'll give her more. I agree that tipping doesn't give us the right get copy of a model's tax returns, but I think it is human nature to be curious.

That is a non-profit organization. MFC is porn and entertainment.

I agree that people are curious, but to judge and believe a model is less deserving of being tipped because she is financially secure seems a bit ridiculous.

This is why pity tips are dangerous. If everyone had the mind frame that only the struggling are worthy of tips, everyone would be struggling.

What about the model who doesn't share her financial burdens and just wants to keep things private? Maybe she has nice things because she worked hard all her life and has fallen on tough times. So it may appear she is doing well because she has nice things yet she is having a hard time making rent. I guess she is shit out of luck.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

I mostly agree and analogies are always dangerous but. Many years ago a newspaper uncovered that head of the regional United Way was making $1 million a year and spending lavishly on office and entertainment. Donation dropped because many people felt, gee I thought my money was going to help the local soup kitchen or boy scouts and it is really being used to pay for this woman extravagant life style. Now she certainly could make a case that she earned the money donations were up, and more businesses had signed up United Way. But perceptions matter.

I am more inclined to tip more for a struggling single mom, than someone who has a rich husband/boyfriend or seems dropping thousands on parties, clothes, drugs etc. However, if the rich girl is putting on a better show and I enjoy it more I'll give her more. I agree that tipping doesn't give us the right get copy of a model's tax returns, but I think it is human nature to be curious.

That is a non-profit organization. MFC is porn and entertainment.

I agree that people are curious, but to judge and believe a model is less deserving of being tipped because she is financially secure seems a bit ridiculous.

This is why pity tips are dangerous. If everyone had the mind frame that only the struggling are worthy of tips, everyone would be struggling.

What about the model who doesn't share her financial burdens and just wants to keep things private? Maybe she has nice things because she worked hard all her life and has fallen on tough times. So it may appear she is doing well because she has nice things yet she is having a hard time making rent. I guess she is shit out of luck.

You are reading more into than I said. #1 is how good the show. I am happy to tip Lexxistar even though she is Miss MFC this month, because she is cute as hell and puts on a boner inducing cum show. If Lexxi had cam score of 1000 and saw her in the same outfits, with same toys, and was saving up for a new HD webcam, I'd tip her more, for a variety of reasons. Practical I'd like to see her with a better webcam cause I'd benefit. Selfish, lots of guys tip Lexxi 500 tokens, so it is no big deal, for struggling cam model 500 is a big deal, she will be probably treat me nicer than #1 MFC girl for the same size tip. Finally altruistic I get satisfaction out of helping others less fortunate than myself.

Anyways those are my motivations, I don't claim to speak for anybody else. In a site where 90% tip nothing I wouldn't be demeaning the motives of the 10% who are.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

This makes sense. Just like models can spend their money how they choose, members can tip for whatever reasons they like. I just see a lot of models get scrutinized about what they spend their money on when discussing camscores, tips, etc. and it irritates the life out of me.

I do apologize if I read into your posts.

You are right it is their money, they earned it, and they can spend however they like.
The nice thing about the forum is to get different perspectives from two sides and I understand yours.
It is also a real treat to get an apology, especially after I made sharp comment. On a male dominated forum I can often go several pages before I get a grudging acknowledgement, that maybe it is conceivable that there might more than one valid viewpoint.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

Really? I live close to Buffalo, NY. My brother just bought a house down in NC (New) and is paying around 500 a month mortgage and my step-sister is paying 350 for an apartment. Maybe I'm from a family of bargain hunters Never heard of an apartment, unless it's really luxurious, or in NYC, costing 600 a month or more for "bare minimum". Again, I'd die

Wow, you're lucky to only be paying $400/month. That's a few hundred cheaper than what a one-bedroom apartment in Maryland costs.

When I lived in Long Island, New York, I lived in a tiny studio apartment that was like $700/month.

 

[Airwolfe]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

God damn it! Does anyone on Amber's forum ever stay on the thread topic?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

God damn it! Does anyone on Amber's forum ever stay on the thread topic?

Welcome to the internet. So who do people like for the world series?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

God damn it! Does anyone on Amber's forum ever stay on the thread topic?

Nope. By the time this reaches page 10, it'll have become a thread about unicorns...lol.

 

[Shaun__]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

God damn it! Does anyone on Amber's forum ever stay on the thread topic?

Nope. By the time this reaches page 10, it'll have become a thread about unicorns...lol.

:whistle:

 

[spikyhaired]

Re: My response. CamScores, Money laundering, MilaMilan & Co

God damn it! Does anyone on Amber's forum ever stay on the thread topic?

Welcome to the internet. So who do people like for the world series?

Yeah, no doubt. That AL East game... Wow! But, for realz, my team's ballpark is, like, a super far drive, and who wants to pay for the gas just to get there? And, anyway, I think I'm supposed to take my car in for a recall notice.

Speaking of which, did you hear that bad lumbar support in car seats can cause lower back problems? I read something about it somewhere on the interwebz...