my chaturbate account got banned

[aravind_92]

yesterday my account got banned, I was talking about some other cam site with one of my friends but that was not in public it was a private chat does that account for not abiding by the site rules ? could this be the reason why my account has been banned ? has anyone faced similar situation ? need some advice on how I can get my account unbanned. It's really important to me.
Thank you!

 

[TashaDutch]

apparently chaturbate bans accounts for no good reason at all, or they just invent one
wouldn't worry too much, this is happening to alot of models as well
give mfc a try..

 

[emptiedglass]

Well, if it's against their rules to talk about other sites, it probably doesn't matter if it's a public or private conversation.
"Private" messages or shows aren't necessarily as private as most people think. Site admins almost always have access to them.

 

[Nordling]

Well, if it's against their rules to talk about other sites, it probably doesn't matter if it's a public or private conversation.
"Private" messages or shows aren't necessarily as private as most people think. Site admins almost always have access to them.

If true, that's extremely unethical. A private message should be just that; the internet's privacy is ragged enough as it is, without blatant invasions by site owners. The only exception should be if a law enforcement agent has a warrant.

 

[Evvie]

Private shows should never be considered private by any stretch of the imagination. They are public to everyone but members in your chat room at the time.

If it was a private message between two friends, I can see why it would be kind of silly to have an account banned, especially if the conversation was along the lines of, "How's it going on those other cam sites," not, "Hey friend chaturbate sucks, you should only spend your money elsewhere."

In the end, though, Chaturbate has made it pretty clear that models are on the bottom rung of respect and importance. Although, honestly, this is true of every camsite. Except maybe F4F.

 

[legmanct]

Privates are not private...

I remember quite a few years ago, I was on (I believe it was) ifriends and was spending a lot of money. They then sent me a email saying that if I spent so much by the end of the month they would send me a special url which would give me special access for 3 months.

So I spent that amount and they gave me the url, and basically I could go to that url and type in any models name who was online and I could see what she was doing, if she was doing a private, I could see it... and she didn't know I was there. I did feel like a creep for peaking in a few times, but it helped me learn the girls who were just going through the motions, and which girls actually liked and enjoyed what they were doing it.

I did make a mistake one time though, I decided to go into a private with a girl I was watching for a few weeks, and we got into private I asked her if she could do something that I saw her do before. She said she never did that before and I said something like "Yeah I saw you do it for a guy on Tuesday night." which kind of spooked her. (whoops!)

 

[Evvie]

Privates are not private...

I remember quite a few years ago, I was on (I believe it was) ifriends and was spending a lot of money. They then sent me a email saying that if I spent so much by the end of the month they would send me a special url which would give me special access for 3 months.

So I spent that amount and they gave me the url, and basically I could go to that url and type in any models name who was online and I could see what she was doing, if she was doing a private, I could see it... and she didn't know I was there. I did feel like a creep for peaking in a few times, but it helped me learn the girls who were just going through the motions, and which girls actually liked and enjoyed what they were doing it.

I did make a mistake one time though, I decided to go into a private with a girl I was watching for a few weeks, and we got into private I asked her if she could do something that I saw her do before. She said she never did that before and I said something like "Yeah I saw you do it for a guy on Tuesday night." which kind of spooked her. (whoops!)

I'm super curious to know what site this is.

 

[AmberCutie]

Many cam sites have rules in place that don't allow a model to give out any personal contact information, including mentioning other sites she's on. I would imagine they have ways of scanning through private messages and mails to ensure this isn't happening, and to ban/warn those who do.

So yeah, anything you type in a private message, or say in a private, isn't necessarily private, especially from the admins of the site.

 

[Nordling]

Many cam sites have rules in place that don't allow a model to give out any personal contact information, including mentioning other sites she's on. I would imagine they have ways of scanning through private messages and mails to ensure this isn't happening, and to ban/warn those who do.

So yeah, anything you type in a private message, or say in a private, isn't necessarily private, especially from the admins of the site.

The capability is certainly there, but if sites are found to be doing this, they should be avoided like the plague. If a business labels an area private, either online or in a brick building, then the customer has a reasonable expectation that that area IS private. This, to me, is no different than a business owner installing secret cameras in women's restrooms. Their motive is unimportant.

 

[TashaDutch]

In the end, though, Chaturbate has made it pretty clear that models are on the bottom rung of respect and importance. Although, honestly, this is true of every camsite. Except maybe F4F.

well, i've never had such a degrading and rude treatment as i have had by F4F...

 

[emptiedglass]

Many cam sites have rules in place that don't allow a model to give out any personal contact information, including mentioning other sites she's on. I would imagine they have ways of scanning through private messages and mails to ensure this isn't happening, and to ban/warn those who do.

So yeah, anything you type in a private message, or say in a private, isn't necessarily private, especially from the admins of the site.

The capability is certainly there, but if sites are found to be doing this, they should be avoided like the plague. If a business labels an area private, either online or in a brick building, then the customer has a reasonable expectation that that area IS private. This, to me, is no different than a business owner installing secret cameras in women's restrooms. Their motive is unimportant.

Unfortunately, most sites bury their privacy policies in unnecessarily long terms of service documents that people rarely read before clicking on "I agree." Sometimes they're pretty vague about how and where your information will be stored or used. Unless your communications are encrypted, or they specifically say they won't read your mail, don't assume it's truly private. I think, in this digital age, the word "private" is being redefined as "not viewable to the general public."
How incredibly silly would it be of anyone here to start trashing Amber in a PM and then get upset if she saw it and proceeded with disciplinary action?
As far as cameras in washrooms go, that's different. Legality aside, if they put a sign on the door that indicated video surveillance was being used, entering the facilities would generally imply acceptance of the conditions. Waiting until one made it home or fertilizing the vegetation in behind the building would demonstrate the refusal of these conditions.

 

[Nordling]

Many cam sites have rules in place that don't allow a model to give out any personal contact information, including mentioning other sites she's on. I would imagine they have ways of scanning through private messages and mails to ensure this isn't happening, and to ban/warn those who do.

So yeah, anything you type in a private message, or say in a private, isn't necessarily private, especially from the admins of the site.

The capability is certainly there, but if sites are found to be doing this, they should be avoided like the plague. If a business labels an area private, either online or in a brick building, then the customer has a reasonable expectation that that area IS private. This, to me, is no different than a business owner installing secret cameras in women's restrooms. Their motive is unimportant.

Unfortunately, most sites bury their privacy policies in unnecessarily long terms of service documents that people rarely read before clicking on "I agree." Sometimes they're pretty vague about how and where your information will be stored or used. Unless your communications are encrypted, or they specifically say they won't read your mail, don't assume it's truly private. I think, in this digital age, the word "private" is being redefined as "not viewable to the general public."
How incredibly silly would it be of anyone here to start trashing Amber in a PM and then get upset if she saw it and proceeded with disciplinary action?
As far as cameras in washrooms go, that's different. Legality aside, if they put a sign on the door that indicated video surveillance was being used, entering the facilities would generally imply acceptance of the conditions. Waiting until one made it home or fertilizing the vegetation in behind the building would demonstrate the refusal of these conditions.

I agree with all you've said, insofar as reality. But, I stand by my ethics stance. Regardless of any "agreement" signed off on or simply because "we can," it is unethical and immoral to spy on people--in any setting, when they may have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

As far as Amber spying on our PMs, I'd like to say I think I know her well enough to trust she'd simply not do that. Reality? Anything can happen. And yeah, if you utilize someone's forum then badmouth them in PMs, karma's gonna get you.

 

[AmberCutie]

Just to clear up anyone reading the last few posts and wondering:

I cannot read your PMs here at ACF unless someone reports them. If a PM is reported to me, I can read that single PM in its entirety. Otherwise, there is no way for me to stick my nose into your PMing business, so please don't fret.

But I'd also like to think you guys aren't really talking shit about me here at the forum anyway. At least save that for your MFC PMs. :lol:

 

[LadyLuna]

On the other hand, as a model who mostly follows the rules, I'm very glad that the camsite admins have access to the logs of all my conversations so I can go to them if I need help with a member who was giving me problems. (While these examples are given in the present tense, they are not the here-and-now. However, all of these have happened, either to myself or to other models.)

Example: on streamate, where ratings matter, person takes me exclusive and starts doing daddy/daughter roleplay. I report and ban them, they give me a bad rating, so I tell streamate. They take that rating off (and possibly ban them from the site as such roleplay is against the tos).

Example 2: on MFC, there's a member who is stalking me. I give MFC the timestamps of the pm's which prove that the member is stalking me, and he gets banned from the site.

Example 3: on the forum, there's a member sending pm's to all the models asking for them to do a custom video for a tiny price, and harasses any model who pm's back with a decline of the invitation. We report the pm's, and the member is banned.

If a site has rules in place that apply to private and not just public, then they need to be able to see that those rules are being followed, which means they need access to the private areas of the site. The thing is, with how very many models and members are on the site, and how very few admin there are in comparison, they don't have time to read all the information. So they will do one of two things:

1. implement a system for members and models to report the rulebreakers, and a system for dealing with those reports.
2. have a script that goes through all the text chat looking for key words, flagging instances with those key words. Have a system for the admins to look at any flagged messages and deal with them as needed (did the model encourage it? or turn it down?).

The second part, the system for dealing with the reports, is where many sites fail. A lot of sites will institute a policy of "so many flags, model gets banned", allowing members to figure out how many flags are needed and flag the account of models they don't like the required number of times.

Chaturbate has this problem. Members have figured out that if a model is reported a certain number of times, she will be banned automatically. She doesn't even have to have done anything wrong, just denied one member's request if he has enough friends on the site (or accounts of his own). This is only mitigated by the model being able to collect enough regulars who will counter the abusive flags, as members are capable of submitting a "this model did nothing wrong" report to counter one of the "this model broke the rules" reports.

The best system would have a bunch of people verifying the reports, only allowing users to report a certain number of models a day (per user), and a model only being reported once an hour on the whole, with an instant screen-shot involved in the report with the option to include other screen shots. And have strikes against members whose reports are denied. If a member gets 20 strikes a week for a month, ban that member. But it would cost too much money to pay enough people to cover that many reports, so they won't do it.

 

[Nordling]

LadyLuna,

It's one thing to share a PM when a troll is harassing you or lying about you. But my objection is for a site of any kind to peruse PMs randomly, like some kind of corporate voyeur, looking for crap that's really none of their business.

Oh, and RIP Annette.

 

[AmberCutie]

LadyLuna,

It's one thing to share a PM when a troll is harassing you or lying about you. But my objection is for a site of any kind to peruse PMs randomly, like some kind of corporate voyeur, looking for crap that's really none of their business.

Oh, and RIP Annette.

If I ran a cam site, I'd have some sort of trigger/flag for keywords being typed in any chat, including a PM chat or Mail, and those flagged messages would be able to be read by the moderators to look into problems. Totally guessing here, but it's possible that cam sites use a method like this to track down rule-breakers and such.

 

[SoTxBob]

Camsite/email/PM trigger or flag words are very common in your everyday life communications...[Utah Data Center pops to mind] I'd be very surprised if all governments didnt do this as well as most corporations with any kind of IT.
As for "ethics and camsites" ... I wish unicorns were real too ... :lol:


Yes, R.I.P. Annette. :icon-cry: Tis a sad day for Mouseketeer land.

 

[Nordling]

Camsite/email/PM trigger or flag words are very common in your everyday life communications...[Utah Data Center pops to mind] I'd be very surprised if all governments didnt do this as well as most corporations with any kind of IT.
As for "ethics and camsites" ... I wish unicorns were real too ... :lol:


Yes, R.I.P. Annette. :icon-cry: Tis a sad day for Mouseketeer land.

Yes, unicorns should exist. lol

Seriously though, it has to do with one's relationship with a corporation. Sure, employees can expect to have their email read and with the use of keywords to speed the process--although I still don't think the right to privacy as an employee has reached any conclusion as of yet. But with regard to a cam site? Assuming they're legal entities, I expect them to treat customers just as a brick store would treat their customers--without snooping in areas marked private.

Yeah, naive to expect that at this point but I refuse to accept it as a permanent situation.

Now, excuse me, while I go attend to a windmill that needs to be tilted at.

 

[SexySteph]

Many cam sites have rules in place that don't allow a model to give out any personal contact information, including mentioning other sites she's on. I would imagine they have ways of scanning through private messages and mails to ensure this isn't happening, and to ban/warn those who do.

So yeah, anything you type in a private message, or say in a private, isn't necessarily private, especially from the admins of the site.

The capability is certainly there, but if sites are found to be doing this, they should be avoided like the plague. If a business labels an area private, either online or in a brick building, then the customer has a reasonable expectation that that area IS private. This, to me, is no different than a business owner installing secret cameras in women's restrooms. Their motive is unimportant.

But if privates were truly private and unviewable, rules would be ineffective. "No beastiality" unless you're in private where we won't know about it. "No incest" unless you're in private and we can't catch you. And it's not like the guys who get these privates would report the models. And I doubt the guys who have access to these watch for jollies. They just watch/listen for certain things cuz it's their job. As long as the only people that can see my privates are the customer or the guys in charge of compliance, I don't care. I'm at work, I have to follow rules and they have to enforce them.

 

[MyCamgirl]

Totally guessing here, but it's possible that cam sites use a method like this to track down rule-breakers and such.

MyGirlFund reads or at least used to read private messages and issues warnings if certain words are used.

I heard of a guy who got instant ban for mentioning MyFreeCams in a Cams.com's chat room. I never tested to see if it really happens. At one point in the past, not sure if this is still in place, Cams.com used to filter words like "hotmail", "yahoo" and "gmail" in live chat. You can guess why.

Due to massive spam, a few years ago LiveJasmin (how ironic) implemented a word filter to prevent spammers from posting links in the chat. They also block some words. I don't know what words. Admins also have access to chat logs.

 

[aravind_92]

well good that I got unblocked yesterday, the support was quick at replying to my emails and they responded well. The reason stated was I was suspected to be under aged...well now I'm verified but since my account got unblocked I can view cams but can't talk to them....I keep sending messages...no one apart from me see them posted in to public chat box. I even tried posting continuous graphics but was never even silenced while the rest were getting silenced. similar thing happens when I broadcast myself....don't think my cam shows up for others users. any idea guys ? #chaturbate
Thank you!