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I, personally, would love to stay at home and cook and clean and run around after the children all day while my husband works, but I think that might be because my boyfriend and I are in a 24/7 BDSM relationship, so I kind of am wired to feel like those are "WIMMIN JOBS" - but I don't think that all women should do it. It's more a matter of personal choice.


An interesting note, though, my bf is in-between jobs (one of those unfortunate cases where he has a Master's degree but no experience so nobody will hire him), and I paid his electric bill with my first MFC paycheck! It was kind of surreal but I also felt very grown-up. hahahaha
 
Shaun__ said:
Neudiin said:
The correct response from a man to this thread is: "Yes dear, what you do is a full time job and its tough. Go relax in a nice hot bath with a glass of wine" :angel5:

If I had a wife that could earn more money than me then my answer would be you go girl.

I spent my early 20s getting paid to clean, and I was cleaning an area way larger than a house. It is not that hard to do. You just need to know what needs to be done and work out a way to do it with out pissing off everybody around you. I used to love the looks on peoples faces as I mopped up there dirty foot prints off my nice clean floor as I followed them around.

I admit my cooking sucks but I think that is a matter of practice more than anything else. I would learn it in time with hard work and study.

I am not saying it is not a job. I am saying it is a better job than mine.

1st off, this thread has gone off point and has degenerated into a male/female discussion on "being a housewife". A great majority of men/woman are never going to agree on this, due to opinions that are hardwired into our brains. There have been studies on this very thing.

That being said, most of the guys who posted are missing the point. You have to know that this is an argument that you cannot win. Even if you have irrefutable empirical evidence to back up you're assertions, then you have to deal with a mad woman. Not to be patronizing, but this is one of those "does this dress make me look fat" questions. You guys KNOW the right answer, just say it. IMO, it's not big enough to merit an argument, which is what would happen in an IRL couples discussion.

So if all you guys think housework is so easy, why is it when women are asked "Does the man in your life help around the house", the great majority say NO. Some polls I have seen approach 90%. Doesn't matter if the household is a 2-worker, or 1-worker.

Now on the original question, there are more "visible" successful women today, simply due to the increased opportunities. Thank Gloria Steinem/Betty Friedan/Cosmo/the ERA debate and Affirmative Action. I think we are all better off for these increased opportunities. Back in Grandad's day, women DID go to college. Unfortunately it was limited by societal norms to teaching, nursing, secretarial type careers. It's quite hard to believe, but even the "7 Sisters" (Female counterparts to the all-male Ivy League) handed out 4-year degrees in Home Ec. Look how far we've come! We still have a long way to go, but we'll get there someday.
 
JickyJuly said:
I think it takes a lot of trust and faith to let someone else be your provider and/or protector. I'm just not that trusting of anyone. Whether I have or have not needs to be on my shoulders for me to feel safe. Many Women probably feel the same. *pops Klonopin to get through the day anxiety free* :shifty:

I know this is off topic... I used to have really bad anxiety.... couldn't get out of the house, bad thoughts, couldn't even converse with family, etc. I have a lot of advice and a book that changed my life... I know you're probably thinking , yeahhhhh right lol but I'm serious!! I rarely have any anxiety anymore... It's a book called "You Can Heal Your Life" By Louise L. Hay go to Amazon.com and get it girl! I know what it's like, so message me if you need any help/advice, or just to chat about it.
 
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schlmoe said:
So if all you guys think housework is so easy, why is it when women are asked "Does the man in your life help around the house", the great majority say NO. Some polls I have seen approach 90%. Doesn't matter if the household is a 2-worker, or 1-worker.

If you want to start a thread full of mad women you can ask why they make bad choices in spouses because I am not.

On topic you see more successful women because they are just as capable as men and are getting the chance to prove it.
 
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It's totally a full-time job, never a moment's peace, never a second to watch Oprah or relax with a tub of ice cream.

(I'm not being sarcastic I promise!)
 
CutieRaena said:
JickyJuly said:
I think it takes a lot of trust and faith to let someone else be your provider and/or protector. I'm just not that trusting of anyone. Whether I have or have not needs to be on my shoulders for me to feel safe. Many Women probably feel the same. *pops Klonopin to get through the day anxiety free* :shifty:

I know this is off topic... I used to have really bad anxiety.... couldn't get out of the house, bad thoughts, couldn't even converse with family, etc. I have a lot of advice and a book that changed my life... I know you're probably thinking , yeahhhhh right lol but I'm serious!! I rarely have any anxiety anymore... It's a book called "You Can Heal Your Life" By Louise L. Hay go to Amazon.com and get it girl! I know what it's like, so message me if you need any help/advice, or just to chat about it.

Oh no. I just embrace my crazies. Keeps life interesting. :shifty:
 
AlexLady said:
If being a mother isn't hard, why is it that even when you're not bringing home the bread you manly men can't at least put on some abs for us? Get in shape bb, it's easy.
Be careful what you wish for.
Source article.
 

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Sevrin said:
AlexLady said:
If being a mother isn't hard, why is it that even when you're not bringing home the bread you manly men can't at least put on some abs for us? Get in shape bb, it's easy.
Be careful what you wish for.
Source article.

Was thinking he looked like the underside of a turtle and then I read that in the article too lol.
That just looks bizarre on someone who obviously has more body fat than would show a 6 pack.
 
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JickyJuly said:
I think it takes a lot of trust and faith to let someone else be your provider and/or protector. I'm just not that trusting of anyone. Whether I have or have not needs to be on my shoulders for me to feel safe. Many Women probably feel the same. *pops Klonopin to get through the day anxiety free* :shifty:

Just wanted to let you know that I know what it's like to have to deal with anxiety. I don't have it anymore, only sometimes here and there, but nothing like it used to be. The only thing that helped me was Louis L. Hay's book called "You Can Heal Your Life." You can find it on Amazon.com for cheap.
 
CutieRaena said:
JickyJuly said:
I think it takes a lot of trust and faith to let someone else be your provider and/or protector. I'm just not that trusting of anyone. Whether I have or have not needs to be on my shoulders for me to feel safe. Many Women probably feel the same. *pops Klonopin to get through the day anxiety free* :shifty:

Just wanted to let you know that I know what it's like to have to deal with anxiety. I don't have it anymore, only sometimes here and there, but nothing like it used to be. The only thing that helped me was Louis L. Hay's book called "You Can Heal Your Life." You can find it on Amazon.com for cheap.

Umm look up there ^^^ she responded to this already darlin :)
 
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Lydia_Deetz said:
This thread is getting out of hand quickly! Nothing like a bunch of dudes that think they know what it is like to be a mother :roll:

Well, in our defence it is a word exclusive to the female...

Unless, of course, you are reinforcing outdated and (not really) insulting/patronising stereotypes that men cannot possibly do housework and raise a child, nor do the same job as your stereotyping (if that is what it was) implies when in such a relationship with a lady either :roll:

If you were... then maybe there is a roll reversal :cool: :lol:

As for the topic, historically women have been higher academic achievers all the way up to at least the start of University. However, for why more ladies go to college it may help to have a more robust analysis - such as career paths for ladies and gents (with average numbers entering sectors) and the required qualification levels for each. People tend to do qualifications that are needed for certain career aspirations :)

It certainly would be interesting to see how the figures (especially with job sectors) have changed (ratio wise) of male:female over the years. I imagine there are still certain sectors dominated either way, but as you increase the education levels for careers there is less likely to be physical jobs where certain gender characteristics (okay, strength in the average) exist making them more suitable/attractive to one gender over the other. Whether the proportion of men going to college is falling at the same time, or increasing at a lower rate, would be interesting too :)

Alternatively, maybe the ladies are just going to college because that's where they are more likely to get a college educated guy, who will earn more than those without college education - and so mean the lady can stay at home and watch Opera... :lol:

wait, I can't slip in excess sexist comments for humour without offending someone? Oh well... fuck it :D
 
Some people have been devolving this thread from "house keeping" now it's at "mother" and it's silly. Of course a man can never be a mother, mother is gender specific.

This has devolved from the issue of more successful women (which isn't true, you're measuring success wrong) to housekeeping being hard work (it wasn't for me) to raising children (also, I loved every second of it, it wasn't hard on me) to being a mother. It's like you're not fighting to make a point, you're fighting to find a point you're right at.

I could go on more, but why bother?
 
Lydia_Deetz said:
CutieRaena said:
JickyJuly said:
I think it takes a lot of trust and faith to let someone else be your provider and/or protector. I'm just not that trusting of anyone. Whether I have or have not needs to be on my shoulders for me to feel safe. Many Women probably feel the same. *pops Klonopin to get through the day anxiety free* :shifty:

Just wanted to let you know that I know what it's like to have to deal with anxiety. I don't have it anymore, only sometimes here and there, but nothing like it used to be. The only thing that helped me was Louis L. Hay's book called "You Can Heal Your Life." You can find it on Amazon.com for cheap.

Umm look up there ^^^ she responded to this already darlin :)

yeah i didn't see page two you don't have to point it out
 
CutieRaena said:
Lydia_Deetz said:
CutieRaena said:
JickyJuly said:
I think it takes a lot of trust and faith to let someone else be your provider and/or protector. I'm just not that trusting of anyone. Whether I have or have not needs to be on my shoulders for me to feel safe. Many Women probably feel the same. *pops Klonopin to get through the day anxiety free* :shifty:

Just wanted to let you know that I know what it's like to have to deal with anxiety. I don't have it anymore, only sometimes here and there, but nothing like it used to be. The only thing that helped me was Louis L. Hay's book called "You Can Heal Your Life." You can find it on Amazon.com for cheap.

Umm look up there ^^^ she responded to this already darlin :)

yeah i didn't see page two you don't have to point it out
I'm glad she did. I thought I was having some trippy Deja Vu. She was cute/sweet about it :thumbleft:
 
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CutieRaena said:
Lydia_Deetz said:
CutieRaena said:
JickyJuly said:
I think it takes a lot of trust and faith to let someone else be your provider and/or protector. I'm just not that trusting of anyone. Whether I have or have not needs to be on my shoulders for me to feel safe. Many Women probably feel the same. *pops Klonopin to get through the day anxiety free* :shifty:

Just wanted to let you know that I know what it's like to have to deal with anxiety. I don't have it anymore, only sometimes here and there, but nothing like it used to be. The only thing that helped me was Louis L. Hay's book called "You Can Heal Your Life." You can find it on Amazon.com for cheap.

Umm look up there ^^^ she responded to this already darlin :)

yeah i didn't see page two you don't have to point it out

I wasn't trying to be a bitch ( trust me I don't have to try ;) ) Just trying to be helpful.
 
To get back on topic... there was a recent news report stating that more and more women are realizing the time and toll it takes to be successful in the corporate world today. Many of them are opting out of promotions or just plain quitting because of the toll it takes, saying it's not worth it... Of course, a lot of these women were also mothers.

I have no doubt women can be as successful, or even surpass their male counterparts if they have the ambition and drive. Besides they have tits.
 
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