Models feedback needed, new service to promote rooms

[gonegirl4]

Wow, so much important/useful information. Thanks so so much TallulaBlythe.

The problem is, the people who watch free videos on a tube site are usually not interested in paying for porn, or for participating in the culture of camsites, they're vastly different environments.

I can see why there's that perception,

It's not just a perception though, to us it's a fact of the business. we are flat out told so time and time again by guys who abuse us for daring to charge for things they feel entitled to. Like seriously, as someone who spends a lot of time and energy exploring marketing options for camgirls, if only I got $1 for every time someone told me that it's pointless to pay for porn because that's what pornhub is for- I'd be making bank!
Every interaction I've had with someone who tells me they watch a lot of porn on tube sites inevitably also involves them telling me that I've got no hope trying to convince people to pay for something they can get for free. Every single one.

The thing is that we as camgirls, and obviously our customers to, know exactly what those tube site guys are missing- that real time personal interaction has the ability to turn what was once a solo and at times lonely experience of jacking it to a computer screen into something really social and special and definitely worth paying for! In a private session you can direct the girl of your dreams to do all of the things you like, just how you like it, and just for you! it's a really intimate and amazing experience and you sure as hell don't get that when you're watching free tube videos.
The problem is that tube sites have created a culture of people feeling entitled to porn for free. If you could actually find a way to bridge that disconnect between the customers we cater to (as TallulaBlythe mentioned the majority of us automatically mute viewers who haven't put money into their accounts not because we only want to talk to the guys with money, but because the guys who made an account just that day or just stopped by the site are not only not going to tip us, but they are also demanding, often rude, and in the end they disrupt our shifts and piss off actual customers!) and the traffic that will be coming our way. Increase in exposure makes us nothing if it's all guy's we'll mute.. and my experience with guys who've come over from tube sites tells me that the percentage of them who will see the value in becoming customers is absolutely tiny. I think that is going to be one of your biggest hurdles in convincing girls to come on board

 

[Lorelei]

I'm afraid I don't have a lot to add to all of this, but I really, genuinely wanted to say to the OP: Thank you for carrying on such a civil and professional discussion, and for making it mostly free of typos and grammatical errors. (I saw one instance of the wrong your/you're and I got worried because I'm me.)

Aside from your current business proposition, I'd like to know more about the firm you work with that's great at DMCAs. I would be interested in paying for a service like that if they're willing to work with individuals, and I suspect I'm not the only one. At the moment, pulling down stolen content is more important to me than adding to the ridiculous volume of camgirl tubesite material.

One last thing: There's quite a bit of argument over "the type of person who uses tubesites," and I understand where you're coming from, OP: Tubesites absolutely make money. The problem is the old 80/20 rule—most of our income comes from our regulars. And I'd venture a guess that the majority of that income-via-regulars—say 80% of it—comes from 20% of that pool of people. It's a long winded way of saying that the best customers, the ones that we care about finding, and care about keeping, are rare. And the chance of those customers finding their way to a camgirl via a tubesite and becoming one of her top-tier customers... well, that seems pretty statistically unlikely.

(In my case, 63% of my income last year was from less than 10% of my paying customers. I may be an outlier.) :twocents-02cents:

That said, I'd love to be proven wrong and I'm curious to see how your data collection test run goes. I hope you'll come back and let us know!



Postscript to add that I feel a little weird referring to my tippers as "customers." The camgirl-regular relationship is a nebulous one, and I'd say it's somewhere between "client" and "good friend." :love5:

 

[GracieHart]

I personally wouldnt be interested in this type of service as I am actively trying to keep myself off tubesites. However, I don't think your idea is completely crazy. Subscription sites like x-art and backroom casting couch, actively post teasers on tube sites to advertise their videos and websites so I am assuming converting some of the viewers of the free videos into paying customers must work for them otherwise why do it

Would it be possible to get the data on the rate of conversion (i.e. how many views of the video does it take to get someone to actually subscribe to to the paid site) from something like this? I know camgirls and subscription sites are different but it would mean that when you are presenting this opportunity to camgirls you will have little more knowledge on if it will work as a business model and how much of an increase in paying customers the girls can expect. Also some camgirls have their own private subscription sites as well so they might be more likely to be interested as well. :twocents-02cents:

Edit: I like Lorelei would be interested in the DMCA side of things though

 

[Teagan]

I wouldn't use this service just because I'm not a big fan of posting my videos, but can I offer a suggestion?

In the screenshot you posted, the link is quite small and honestly just looks like typical tubesite spam! Maybe you could change it so it looks a bit more integrated? If I saw it, I'd assume it was just another one of those "horny moms in your area" or whatever type of links.

I'm not sure how you could do it, maybe with a little profile or even a photo of the girl to show that it actually is the same girl from the video? Just something a bit more personal might help!!

Good luck :hello2:

Agreed. It looks like spam and nothing I would click. Putting it above the Cheating Wives spam banner and bigger font would look better. "Missy uploaded this video herself. Click here to watch her online right now." And if she's offline it's a link to her twitter or something. The girls could choose what to show when online and what to offline even.

And if the girls are creating their own account their avatar could be included. A clickable one to go to her page where her other uploads are there and her links to find her more as well. Most girls work multiple sites so having which one she is online currently would take some coding on your part too probably. So if she is on MFC that should be shown as she is online and if she switches to streamate it should change ya know.

As far as your site offering DMCA for girls while that is great the thing is we already have this. Pretty much every site offers to send them for us. The only issue we have is some sites not listening to DMCA take downs. Those even you can not help with. As well as some sites having our stuff on paid sites or paid sections of forums we cant get into without paying but again you can not get into those either unless you pay for memberships to them to send the notices and im pretty sure you aren't going that far for the girls either. MFC and the other sites don't do this either so im not just picking on you. Just showing you that you offering this isn't a big incentive. What we cant take down ourselves you cant either, unless you know a hacker that is .... lol.

Now i present a different side to your idea that im not sure you thought of. I used to cam but have since switched to full time doing videos only and selling them on clips4sale.com. Not sure if you've heard of it or seen it but basically it is a huge video only site. Many girls here use them and some are like me and solely do videos alone now. Anyway my thing would be while I do not NEED advertising as c4s brings the traffic to me i have been thinking of doing my own just to up my sales even more. More never hurts. I like money. There are many girls like me who have hundreds of videos for sale. Id have no issue posting some to tube sites myself or using you to post to many of them actually. Since I do not cam my link would simply be to my store and I would be out nothing as freeloaders wouldn't be getting anything from me for free but seeing the trailer as all my stuff is pay for only and no camming.

The thing though is c4s is more of a fetish site than straight vanilla content most camsites offer. So the videos and the ones girls like me would upload might not be masturbation but SPH (small penis humiliation), CEI (cum eating instruction), burping, sneezing, hiccups, etc. All of those very huge sellers on the site mind you. Huge giant fetishes that sell really well for us but it would be up to you to allow those type to be on your site of course. Im not sure if you thought about having more fetish ones available or not even. I guess the issue that might arise is that with a site like c4s there isnt affiliate links to use. Its just a link to my page or any other girls pages or categories people have uploaded into. You dont make money off of it like you would using sign ups. So i'm not sure really if that would be worth it to you as only the other ad revenue on the trailers page is what you'd make money off of.

Now c4s does give us girls info on where clicks are coming from to our page already so any data as far as what videos are being clicked on most and how many times would be available to you by me or any other girl on the site. Also it would open up your market a bit to more into fetish stuff but whether or not that is a market you want to go into would be up to you of course like I said. Provided you gave the link to the girls of where you posted them as for us to know which ones are not you to have them taken down.

To me its not a big deal to edit a video for a trailer or teaser type thing. I mean im already in the editor. Ive saved the whole vid. Ive now cut that down to make a gif and save that. Is it really that huge of a thing to do another edit and save? Not in my opinion. Especially if I know i'm potentially getting paying sales for it.

Im just gonna lastly say i'm glad you came here and have been very professional in the replies here. Its wonderful to see cause we do get a lot of unprofessional people trying to ride our gravy trains for nothing.

 

[ACFFAN69]

Postscript to add that I feel a little weird referring to my tippers as "customers." The camgirl-regular relationship is a nebulous one, and I'd say it's somewhere between "client" and "good friend." :love5:

I like to think of it like a particle... It's both as well as everything in-between, until the act of observation :thumbleft:

Edit: Don't over-think/observe things, lest you risk the probability of the wave function, which can cut both ways.

 

[caireen]

I think that if there was some way for the camgirls involved to get a piece of the affiliate revenue there might be more interest. For example, for every conversion linked through a particular model's video, she gets 10% of the payout. Even that small I think could be a huge advantage to camgirls and you could be affiliate marketers that camgirls are happy to work with...

In the case of Streamate, I feel that we are already taken advantage of by affiliate marketers SO much that willingly handing over content we worked hard on so that someone else can yet again profit from our work sounds not-so-great. However, I also recognize that without affiliate programs, we would have little traffic on Streamate. If you could find a way to create a greater advantage for the camgirl, you might have more success.

For example, My Porn Profile pays per video camgirls tweet and upload to their site. It's a very small amount, but a lot of girls take part in it because it adds up. I don't think paying per video upload in your case is a great idea because poor quality or boring videos are not likely to result in conversions but if camgirls received a small amount of money per conversion it could be great.

 

[NataliaGrey]

This community ROCKS!!! Wow, seriously impressed and grateful for all the feedback.

Video sales make up a huge portion of my income.

Clearly this is one of my fundamental misconceptions. If anyone could share data on this it would be much appreciated. (ie 80% videos 20% cams, etc.)

I think even this sentence shows that perhaps you should take more time watching cams before getting involved in business with them. Many, if not most, camgirls offer things for tips, so there is rarely a tip for "cams." I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that term to be honest. If a girl has a countdown of 1000 tokens for a cumshow, and someone buys a video for 200 tokens, the countdown will go down to 800 tokens. So the member is paying for a video and the live camming. Of course not everyone does it that way, but I do believe it's becoming more and more common. Here's my breakdown from the last week though.

Videos 36% (videos sold while live on cam)
Misc. 24% (flashes, random requests, small random tips, etc - all new tippers get a video in my room, so many small tips are actually for that video, too)
Snapchat 11%
Spanks 7%
Clubs 20% (my club membership is mostly for videos, too)
Clips 2% (manyvids, clips4sale, and extralunchmoney)

So, I would say videos, clubs, and clips are my video sales, bringing it to 58%, and 42% for everything else. It's hard to give exact numbers, since I'm sure some club memberships are really "just because" tips, and some people tip just to get the new tipper video, but this is the best estimate I can give without overthinking it and trying to guess the intent of a tip.

Edited to add: This is my point of view from a MyFreeCams model. It could be totally different on other sites, especially more private based ones. And like I said, even on MFC not all models include everything toward the countdown.