Models do you care about cam sites Prizes ?

[webcamlive]

So you want models to give you detailed information but you won't do the same and give detailed information about your proposed site and the niche. hmmm

1 It's not yet Live nothing to show 2 It involves another SW niche besides cam models and there are some more complance issues

What’s the niche? Come on, man. You owe the forum that much. At minimum.

Like i said above it involves another Sex Work type beside cam models it's all i can say and don't want to open that pandora box

 

[Lelo1]

I'm not a huge fan of prizes, contest on cam sites. Those costs often come out of model's earnings. Which in turn translates into higher prices for consumers.

 

[webcamlive]

I'm not a huge fan of prizes, contest on cam sites. Those costs often come out of model's earnings. Which in turn translates into higher prices for consumers.

Is it safe to say that instead of prizes Higher Payouts are a better way

 

[GraysonDrake]

Its nice when sites reward success. But it can get super competitive and sometimes cutthroat. Some sites choose to not tolerate model on model harassment and abuse on their site. Best way to combat model squabbles is to not allow models to browse camrooms with their model account or give models the option to ban model accounts from their rooms.

I came from Twitch when I started camming and the culture differences because of this were kind of jarring. Twitch has a feature called "raids" where a broadcaster can take their viewers and send them to another streamer at the end of their show, and it really works well as far as fostering community between broadcasters and helping grow streams.

It's a bit laughable to think of it actually working well but I genuinely wish camsites took this approach, there are so many models that you're not *really* competing with each other, and rewarding cooperation instead would benefit everyone. There are times I end a show with a decent number of people still in my room and I wish I could go dump them on someone who just started up a few minutes ago. I want to make friends with other models, and I want to support them and hype them up and create a community, but the way things are set up makes it almost impossible.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

Is it safe to say that instead of prizes Higher Payouts are a better way

100% yes.

Weird that you are so open to suggestions from non-performers, gotta say.

@GraysonDrake I think you are right that it could be fun to have twitch-esque raids on cam sites, I have had this thought before. But then, I thought about how it could be used maliciously, and felt less excited by the concept. Performers can and do direct their viewers to other performers though, it can be done without it being a function of the platform. No reason you can't verbally/chat direct the raid!

 

[englishmuffins]

I'm not a huge fan of prizes, contest on cam sites. Those costs often come out of model's earnings. Which in turn translates into higher prices for consumers.

How does that translate into higher prices for consumers exactly??

 

[yummybrownfox]

Is it safe to say that instead of prizes Higher Payouts are a better way

I mean, yeah, I've already said this, if you refer back to post #8 in this thread...

 

[yummybrownfox]

100% yes.

Weird that you are so open to suggestions from non-performers, gotta say.

@GraysonDrake I think you are right that it could be fun to have twitch-esque raids on cam sites, I have had this thought before. But then, I thought about how it could be used maliciously, and felt less excited by the concept. Performers can and do direct their viewers to other performers though, it can be done without it being a function of the platform. No reason you can't verbally/chat direct the raid!

This. I suggested this very thing back on page 1 of this thread (That we'd prefer a higher payout percentage instead of contest prizes), but fuck my opinion, right? When a non-performer suggests the same thing I'd already suggested days ago, now it's taken into consideration. Hmmm.

 

[melanieoncam]

I came from Twitch when I started camming and the culture differences because of this were kind of jarring. Twitch has a feature called "raids" where a broadcaster can take their viewers and send them to another streamer at the end of their show, and it really works well as far as fostering community between broadcasters and helping grow streams.

It's a bit laughable to think of it actually working well but I genuinely wish camsites took this approach, there are so many models that you're not *really* competing with each other, and rewarding cooperation instead would benefit everyone. There are times I end a show with a decent number of people still in my room and I wish I could go dump them on someone who just started up a few minutes ago. I want to make friends with other models, and I want to support them and hype them up and create a community, but the way things are set up makes it almost impossible.

This actually already happens. When I was very new I had a couple of very kind models help me out in this way.

Would be nice if there was something set up to make it easier to do though. I would love that.

 

[Lelo1]

How does that translate into higher prices for consumers exactly??

If someone is getting a smaller cut, I would expect them to set their goals higher to make up for it.
There are other ways to make up for smaller cuts, like shorter services.

The same thing happens on clip sites. Like the same video is on two different sites.
And on one site the video is more expensive because the model is getting 60% cut.
While on another site, the same video is less. Because the model is getting an 80% cut.

 

[englishmuffins]

If someone is getting a smaller cut, I would expect them to set their goals higher to make up for it.
There are other ways to make up for smaller cuts, like shorter services.

The same thing happens on clip sites. Like the same video is on two different sites.
And on one site the video is more expensive because the model is getting 60% cut.
While on another site, the same video is less. Because the model is getting an 80% cut.

1. I would think that models who price the same vid differently depending on the site, rather than the same price, would be doing themselves a disservice by doing that. Consumers like consistency even if it's across multiple sources. It's not business savvy to price differently across multiple sites, that might hurt a model's reputation, but that is my opinion. The only sensible reason I could see a model doing such a price variation on a video is to see what price is the larger attractor.

2. Models are constantly adjusting their prices to match market demand that maximizes our profits. The percentage payout falls outside of the model's hands. We do what we can to maximize our earnings no matter the payout and we are constantly looking at our numbers to see what attracts customers. If a model has something priced to high, and no sales come of it, then they will have to price adjust until a sale occurs.

3. Each site's payouts come with pros and cons to the model. Take OF for example. Creators get a large payout but the downside is that there are a lot of site glitches, no site-driven traffic to creators (not to SW creators at least), meh stream quality, etc. Creators do all of the footwork for driving traffic to their OF, as a tradeoff for the 80%.

Contests and prizes have little effect on driving higher prices for consumers, if anything it'd do the opposite. Nonetheless though, if you can't afford a service, vid, product, whatever, then find a model or creator that is within your price range.

 

[webcamlive]

This. I suggested this very thing back on page 1 of this thread (That we'd prefer a higher payout percentage instead of contest prizes), but fuck my opinion, right? When a non-performer suggests the same thing I'd already suggested days ago, now it's taken into consideration. Hmmm.

I saw it and because your post and this second post i concluded the High Payout i jus didn't react to it ....

 

[RuthStrawberryblonde]

I like the bonus days they provide incentive to dedicate a block of hours, fit with my lifestyle and other work much better.

 

[GraysonDrake]

This. I suggested this very thing back on page 1 of this thread (That we'd prefer a higher payout percentage instead of contest prizes), but fuck my opinion, right? When a non-performer suggests the same thing I'd already suggested days ago, now it's taken into consideration. Hmmm.

For real though you're 100% on it. Having higher payouts, or at least events where models get higher percentage payouts for a set period of time would be fucking sick.

I give zero fucks about contests. My stream is too small to really even consider competing and even if it wasn't I don't really appreciate being pandered to. The prizes also only benefit people who are already doing really well, and it doesn't provide much of a boost for everyone else despite claims to the contrary.

It's like Reaganomics for porn XD

 

[webcamlive]

I like the bonus days they provide incentive to dedicate a block of hours, fit with my lifestyle and other work much better.

Can you explain what is a bonus day? what site does that ? thanks

 

[RuthStrawberryblonde]

Can you explain what is a bonus day? what site does that ? thanks

SM they stipulate a certain number of hours streaming usually in a 48 hour specific period, on specific dates. Once that number of hours is hit all eligible earnings from within that period plus any extra time you put in are boosted by a percentage. Eligible are earnings with the room, not video sales or referral link earnings.

 

[AudriTwo]

Why you bbs still helping this leech?

 

[RuthStrawberryblonde]

Why you bbs still helping this leech?

Ah just noticed joined 2 weeks ago, asks questions - I am guessing they trying to set up their own service by 'researching' here instead of doing their own leg work.

 

[GraysonDrake]

Why you bbs still helping this leech?

y'know, fair point.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

Ah just noticed joined 2 weeks ago, asks questions - I am guessing they trying to set up their own service by 'researching' here instead of doing their own leg work.

With a bad attitude. It's really strange to me that so many come here looking to gain something from the masses of information we have shared between all of us, while not only offering nothing in return to the community, but being downright rude to the people they are simultaneously expecting assistance from.

 

[Smoothie]

With a bad attitude. It's really strange to me that so many come here looking to gain something from the masses of information we have shared between all of us, while not only offering nothing in return to the community, but being downright rude to the people they are simultaneously expecting assistance from.

The weirdest part is he says it’s an upcoming “fetish” site but refuses to name the fetish, despite being directly asked to do so. The fact that he refuses to spit out that detail is notable.

Your advice could be helping him build something sketchy or illegal, for all we know.

 

[GraysonDrake]

The weirdest part is he says it’s an upcoming “fetish” site but refuses to name the fetish, despite being directly asked to do so. The fact that he refuses to spit out that detail is notable.

Your advice could be helping him build something sketchy or illegal, for all we know.

I think his fetish is claiming to be building a fetish site.

 

[Smoothie]

I think his fetish is claiming to be building a fetish site.

Starting to think that’s the best-case scenario.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

sketchy or illegal

Yeah,

1 It's not yet Live nothing to show 2 It involves another SW niche besides cam models and there are some more complance issues

Like i said above it involves another Sex Work type beside cam models it's all i can say and don't want to open that pandora box

sketchy vibes.

 

[webcamlive]

With a bad attitude. It's really strange to me that so many come here looking to gain something from the masses of information we have shared between all of us, while not only offering nothing in return to the community, but being downright rude to the people they are simultaneously expecting assistance from.

Forums are places where you can ask people opinions
Here is a forum for cam model ... I am a Product Manager for a cam site that will be launched soon
I came here to ask the models questions to see what they like and don't like i didn't force nobody to answer what is rude about this ?
I'm trying to provide value implementing features and lisening to models opinion in the product i help build and launch ,
Thanks and Regards

 

[AudriTwo]

I came here to ask the models questions to see what they like and don't like i didn't force nobody to answer what is rude about this ?

one way you have been rude is spamming threads asking us basic ass questions that you could also do searches for. these are answers models have given in previous threads. yes, forums are a place you can ask questions, but most other forums would also get annoyed with the number of threads a newbie is posting. we are not here to spoonfeed people information that has been repeated a million times. there are threads of changes that models and members both would like to see for their preferred camsite. if you are a product manager, you should know how to do basic research.

oh and the remarks to models' opinions you desperately want have been rude.

when you create a product, you are going to get criticized. may it be the product itself or you. if you want to get in this business, get used to it. a lot of us are tired of joe schmoes showing up with promises of bells and whistles. wanting a piece of the cam pie. if you want to create a product for us, do it. show us you can create and launch a successful camsite with decent traffic.


and i made a meme :F

 

[Smoothie]

Forums are places where you can ask people opinions
Here is a forum for cam model ... I am a Product Manager for a cam site that will be launched soon
I came here to ask the models questions to see what they like and don't like i didn't force nobody to answer what is rude about this ?
I'm trying to provide value implementing features and lisening to models opinion in the product i help build and launch ,
Thanks and Regards

Again… what is your “niche?” Let’s figure out if what you’re working on is even legal before you continue interrogating everyone for research.

 

[webcamlive]

Again… what is your “niche?” Let’s figure out if what you’re working on is even legal before you continue interrogating everyone for research.

Do you understand that i have a boss and a contract and for the moment not allowed to disclosure url etc ... 2 SW jobs caming together and the company is very establish with several sites in the other niche now expanding to caming

 

[GraysonDrake]

Do you understand that i have a boss and a contract and for the moment not allowed to disclosure url etc ... 2 SW jobs caming together and the company is very establish with several sites in the other niche now expanding to caming

You are literally begging people for free marketing advice and then getting upset when they give it to you. I dunno what to tell you but you're not going to get the answers you want if you can't be forthcoming about information. Loads of reps for actual established websites can easily provide proof of their existence on here.

I'm sorry that the bare minimum is hard for you.

 

[Smoothie]

Do you understand that i have a boss and a contract and for the moment not allowed to disclosure url etc ... 2 SW jobs caming together and the company is very establish with several sites in the other niche now expanding to caming

I didn’t ask you for the URL. I asked you for the niche/fetish. Like four times now.

Do YOU understand that there is a LOT of sketchy shit out there and that people might feel more comfortable if they knew exactly what they were helping you build with their advice and years of experience?

Do you understand that the less you tell us, the more we must assume the worst (if only to cover our OWN asses)? I’ve given you three or four opportunities to at LEAST say “don’t worry, it’s nothing illegal” and somehow you aren’t willing to do that. And if it’s potentially illegal, your super-secret contract won’t matter anyway because it will be unenforceable by law, and your boss won’t matter either because he’ll be in deep shit.

Not trying to be a dick, but you’re making it very difficult to trust you. And as others have pointed out, you get really defensive over basic questions despite asking this forum for direction.

I mean, you’re clearly looking for guidance. Can we agree on that? And if you’re looking for guidance here, that implies there are a lot of things about your own business that you do not yet know. Also fair?

Given all of that, are we within our rights to wonder if one of the things you don’t yet know is that your idea may not be legal? And maybe the professionals here should help you determine THAT before you build something that becomes evidence in a criminal trial or something?