Miss Myfreecams... Your thoughts?

[Mila_]

Good you understanding recycling in a models account is not possible, but you still have not shown any maths for the 1,666,666. I take it, you retract the claim.

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Can someone please explain him what I already explained in full detail up there? I think he doesn't understand when I speak.

 

[Puffin]

One million and a half tokens. I would say that is over half of what she needs to rank #1 most months.

Sorry to break it to you. For several years now, it requires more then 1.5 million tokens in total to finish #1 on MFC.

 

[AmberCutie]

Explain your maths.

but you still have not shown any maths for the 1,666,666. I take it, you retract the claim.

She already did, you said you went back to read it, but you missed the math.

But this is how they self tip: they buy large token packages at the best rate they can get, let's assume it's 0.8. So, with this package 1000 tokens would cost them $80. But the model will always receive $50 out of every 1000 tokens she is tipped regardless of how much money the member paid. So far, she has invested $30 bucks. But we are not finished yet. If the model is smart she will also have an MFC affiliate link and buy these tokens through it so she receives 15% of what the member spends back. That would be $12. So... to self tip 1000 tokens, a model needs to spend $18.

A model wants to self tip 10,000 tokens? Costs her $180.

1,666,666tk / 10,000tk * $180 = ~ $30,000
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Sorry to break it to you. For several years now, it requires more then 1.5 million tokens in total to finish #1 on MFC.

One million and a half tokens. I would say that is over half of what she needs to rank #1 most months.

In English, this means that she knows it requires more than 1.5 million tokens.

If you're going to argue so much, please read the words of the person you argue with.

 

[fandango]

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Can someone please explain him what I already explained in full detail up there? I think he doesn't understand when I speak.

I'll give it a shot.

I don't know anything about how the affiliate program works so im going to assume everything you've written before was correct.

After all the re-earning and affiliate percentages are taken into account then the net spend for a model to purchase 1000 tokens is $18

Therefore 1 token = 0.018 cents

$30,000/0.018 = 1,666,666.67 total number of tokens she can buy with her $30k

Hence the $30,000 can equal 1,666,666 tokens

Edit : Oops amber beat me to the punch while I was typing but I'll leave this here anyway

 

[DrWangFei]

Do they still have the MFC affiliate? I haven't kept up with MFC info since leaving that site.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

But this is how they self tip: they buy large token packages at the best rate they can get, let's assume it's 0.8. So, with this package 1000 tokens would cost them $80. But the model will always receive $50 out of every 1000 tokens she is tipped regardless of how much money the member paid. So far, she has invested $30 bucks. But we are not finished yet. If the model is smart she will also have an MFC affiliate link and buy these tokens through it so she receives 15% of what the member spends back. That would be $12. So... to self tip 1000 tokens, a model needs to spend $18. You see how this can become addictive, right?

A model wants to self tip 10,000 tokens? Costs her $180.

There's also one other way for self tipping to work out money ahead. Let's assume the model has decided to self tip and got all her tokens exactly as Kitsune just explained. Now for further math fun...

Imagine a world where she only self tips to take herself private.

10000 tokens divided by 60 tokens a minute for a regular private means she can self pay for 166.66 minutes of private time. At $180 for that many tokens she's paying $1.08 per minute.

But it's a spyable private. For every spy in the show she gets 20 tokens a minute from them. Even if there's only one single spy she's already made back a dollar of that $1.08 she's spending every minute. Two or more and she's money ahead from self tipping.

So a smart model will have a public count of anywhere between 5000 to 8000 tokens that regular members pay for her to enter a spyable private show. Even at 5000 tokens to go private she's already made $250. Which means that in itself has already paid her back for 231 minutes of that private she's going to pay for. Then her other account, or her assistants account immediately takes her private after she's revved up the room with a tease show.

Total for a two hour private. Minimum 5000 tokens to go private. 7200 tokens she's tipped herself. And let's say another 7200 tokens if there's an average of 3 spies the whole time. (Betting that number is higher). 19,400 tokens, or $970 in. Model spent: $129.60 ($1.08x120 minutes)

And of course the main reason she's even on mfc is do publicity to join her private member site where members pay at least $29.99 a month if they sign up for recurring access. So all this is really just incidental income.


Disclaimer: I'll just go with this is all purely conjecture and not singling anyone out so I can later refer back to this line of text should any model surface who just happens to have this EXACT method of operation down to the letter. Which that would be purely coincidence and in no way any comment on that person or resembling reality in any fashion. Yeah, that.

 

[Puffin]

Through the magic of self tipping, 30k dollars become 1,666,666 tokens. One million and a half tokens. I would say that is over half of what she needs to rank #1 most months.

1,666,666tk / 10,000tk * $180 = ~ $30,000.

Thanks for clearing that up Amber! That's would be self-tipping ~$82,000 with ~$52,000 returning. Not self-tipping ~$30k dollars.

In English, this means that she knows it requires more than 1.5 million tokens.

Yea, I missed that.

 

[Puffin]

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This seemed like a good thread to put this. Recently MFC added a menu item on the homepage. A little eye that shows Miss Myfreecams models online ordered by rank. But the interesting thing is if you click next and keep going, it is now showing another update. They are showing ranks all the way up to 1000 now.




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Great that such improvements are being made. I do wonder what happens if a model changes her name to a common word used in topics, such as naked or topless.

 

[JickyJuly]

Would a self-tipping model be able to write off the cost of it in her taxes as advertising or something? This whole conversation and the math is blowing my mind a bit.

 

[SoTxBob]

Would a self-tipping model be able to write off the cost of it in her taxes as advertising or something? This whole conversation and the math is blowing my mind a bit.

I have been privy to a few models that say their tax guys do this for them. It is indeed listed as adv and promotion budget.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I don't for a second doubt it happens, but is the prestige of that Miss MFC crown really that important to models? Using numbers that have been plucked from my bot-bot, let's say a model ranked #3 is sitting on $70k in tokens earned for the month. How many models in that situation would go to the trouble of tipping themselves $30k in tokens (of which they'd get back what, $18k? I'm too lazy to do the math) just so they can have a crown over their profile image that they know, and will always know deep down, they never really earned? Is that truly work $12k to a model?

 

[Puffin]

I don't for a second doubt it happens, but is the prestige of that Miss MFC crown really that important to models? Using numbers that have been plucked from my bot-bot, let's say a model ranked #3 is sitting on $70k in tokens earned for the month. How many models in that situation would go to the trouble of tipping themselves $30k in tokens (of which they'd get back what, $18k? I'm too lazy to do the math) just so they can have a crown over their profile image that they know, and will always know deep down, they never really earned? Is that truly work $12k to a model?

You right in that it's not worth doing.

BTW, the $$$ amount required to move up that final two ranks, #3 to #1 are much bigger then you are suggesting.

 

[AmberCutie]

How many models in that situation would go to the trouble of tipping themselves [...] just so they can have a crown over their profile image that they know, and will always know deep down, they never really earned? Is that truly work $12k to a model?

For some maybe it's just the ego boost of the crown, but from a business point of view, there could be big benefits to having your name in lights, so to speak.

I'm not saying I recommend it or even agree with it, I feel it's pretty much a shady and cheaty tactic. But there could be a big benefit to spending at least *something* to advance placement enough to get that limelight and buzz going about yourself that could propel you into a higher earning bracket.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

But there could be a big benefit to spending at least *something* to advance placement enough to get that limelight and buzz going about yourself that could propel you into a higher earning bracket.

Yep, I believe it was you who recently made the point of higher rankings means higher number of people in the room. So even if a model tips herself to get higher ranking it will have benefits. Most likely those benefits will outweigh the costs.

 

[Mila_]

I don't for a second doubt it happens, but is the prestige of that Miss MFC crown really that important to models? Using numbers that have been plucked from my bot-bot, let's say a model ranked #3 is sitting on $70k in tokens earned for the month. How many models in that situation would go to the trouble of tipping themselves $30k in tokens (of which they'd get back what, $18k? I'm too lazy to do the math) just so they can have a crown over their profile image that they know, and will always know deep down, they never really earned? Is that truly work $12k to a model?

For some models it is "bling". Getting the crown is like, say, buying a Cadillac. Nobody needs a Cadillac, there are many cars cheaper and more reasonable to buy if what you care about is money or comfort or reason, so why do people buy a Cadillac? Because so many of us make decisions with our lizard brains. Driving a car makes other people notice you, makes you the cool chick. Same with buying the MFC crown.

But girls like that, who buy the crown for bling are not the repeat offenders I was discussing in my post as they only go for rank once or twice a year. The consistent cheaters are the biggest problem with Miss MFC if you are an honest model because they turn the contest into a joke, they fuck up the camscore system by screwing with the average and keeping their camscore artificially high (and yours low if you don't engage in it, etc. And the consistent offenders self tip out of really bad ego issues. More than money or anything else. You notice their health deteriorate but they don't take a break even though in theory they could afford it more than comfortably, or they live in shitty houses in a 3rd world country village when they supposedly make $100k a month. Nobody is that thrifty unless they have a problem. I think some of these girls spend almost everything they make in self tipping. Like an addiction. I compare it to gambling. Nobody who isn't a gambler would think that becoming one makes sense. It doesn't make sense! Who would gamble all their money at a casino? And yet some people do, they even sell their homes and gamble the money away, or their children's college funds. It doesn't make sense for a normal person, but a gambler is not a normal person.

For some maybe it's just the ego boost of the crown, but from a business point of view, there could be big benefits to having your name in lights, so to speak.

I'm not saying I recommend it or even agree with it, I feel it's pretty much a shady and cheaty tactic. But there could be a big benefit to spending at least *something* to advance placement enough to get that limelight and buzz going about yourself that could propel you into a higher earning bracket.

If done in moderation and with sense like the spyable private strategy someone explained above it can be profitable, I guess. I don't know if it pays off in the long run or if it is that much more profitable than doing your best and keeping everything you earn. I guess it depends on how you go about it.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Would a self-tipping model be able to write off the cost of it in her taxes as advertising or something? This whole conversation and the math is blowing my mind a bit.

Yes, that would be a legitimate form of advertising. Although, I can imagine the conversation with the IRS auditor being really interesting .

I thought that MFC had ended their affiliate program this year. The bring a friend program is pretty trivial amount of money in context of a a Miss MFC discussion.

That would increase the cost of per token self tipping from 1.8 cents to just under 3 cents. At which point it would pretty much impossible to justify as a business decision and would be pure vanity.

 

[fandango]

But girls like that, who buy the crown for bling are not the repeat offenders I was discussing in my post as they only go for rank once or twice a year. The consistent cheaters are the biggest problem with Miss MFC if you are an honest model because they turn the contest into a joke, they fuck up the camscore system by screwing with the average and keeping their camscore artificially high (and yours low if you don't engage in it, etc. And the consistent offenders self tip out of really bad ego issues. More than money or anything else. You notice their health deteriorate but they don't take a break even though in theory they could afford it more than comfortably, or they live in shitty houses in a 3rd world country village when they supposedly make $100k a month. Nobody is that thrifty unless they have a problem. I think some of these girls spend almost everything they make in self tipping. Like an addiction. I compare it to gambling. Nobody who isn't a gambler would think that becoming one makes sense. It doesn't make sense! Who would gamble all their money at a casino? And yet some people do, they even sell their homes and gamble the money away, or their children's college funds. It doesn't make sense for a normal person, but a gambler is not a normal person.

If its not too close to naming people how do you spot someone who is doing it, like is there a way you can tell when you're watching in their room or do you need to really pay close attention over a long period of time?

Also how many models out of the top 20 each month do you think do it? Are we talking just a few or more like 15+ out of 20?

 

[Mila_]

If its not too close to naming people how do you spot someone who is doing it, like is there a way you can tell when you're watching in their room or do you need to really pay close attention over a long period of time?

Also how many models out of the top 20 each month do you think do it? Are we talking just a few or more like 15+ out of 20?

I don't think you can tell unless you are a model in rank competition with them because the way I learned this happened was with token discrepancies. When you compete against a girl and you pass her, you know exactly how many tokens she made on her last shift, how many tokens she needs to pass you, etc. When a girl cheats there are amazing discrepancies all the time, you are head to head and it looks like she passes you with "magic" when she tips herself. With clean girls this doesn't happen, you know she made the tokens she needed to pass you cause you saw it happen in her room.

There are signs though. Top 10 models living in a $1500 a month rental in a village in Guatemala, for example... It could be a sign. I suspect any girl who ranks in top 20 consistently too, every month every year. This is almost impossible to do without cheating unless you have a really wealthy member putting you there. Girls with members like these are much more rare than the girls pulling top 20 runs every month and everyone knows who the member is because his reputation exceeds hers.

Honestly, ranking top 20 is a mix of many factors including luck. You don't just "decide" that you are going for a top 20 month and it magically happens. What you do is you put in the hours needed and exciting content and games, but even doing your best if you aren't lucky you won't rank there. So what I would do when I cammed on MFC was play the board. If I had a really solid first couple of days and I knew I had a chance at top 20 I would play it up and make it happen, but I learned not to announce it beforehand because it is very hard to do if you don't have a solid start. You can also ask your regulars to make a special effort for rank once in a while, but when you rank top 20 every month your members get used to that "new normal" it isn't exciting anymore, and most of them can't afford the extra effort every single month anyway, so that boost a model who goes for top 20 once in a while gets from her members, a perma-top-20 girl doesnt.

So I am more inclined to believe the girls who push for top 20 once in a while and also make good money on the regular, than I am to believe a "magical" cam girl just figured out the recipe to be top 20 without failure every single month of her camming career. There are cam girls with more charisma than others or more successful strategies, but there is a cap to a camgirls average income and after 3 years you know where that cap is.

 

[ComicOzzie]

I notice that MFC now shows the models' ranks up to the Top 1000, instead of the Top 250, when you click on the models' menus. Ladies, what do you think about this change? When I pointed this out to a model that was online, she did not like it at all.

 

[NerdieBirdie]

Since my car accident I haven't really ranked better than #2000, so for now it doesn't affect me, but it just reminded me of a situation slightly off topic, but relate-able to this, and how I think members may interpret it.

So in June of 2015, I had someone who tipped me 3775 and 1875 quite a bit offline. This caused my camscore to jump, because the bulk of my tokens were offline. I peaked to 4400 that month. Because of this, I had a regular of mine, who was consistent from day 1 of camming, send me a long message about how we had to part ways. He only liked supporting small time models. (Under 3000 was his concept of that.) This upset me, I was confused how a friend would drop me over that, despite me being the same person. He never replied back to me, and never did come back to my room. Literally the next month my camscore was already back in the 3000s and slid by end of 2015 to 2???. I have always remained a sub-3000 camscore model since.

So this guy used an aspect of MFC to determine what he thought my overall income was and ceased to support me.

So anyways this makes me think about how sometimes occasional supporters might see me be like #200 on the first day of the month and be like, "OH so you really blew up huh? You're making big bucks now?"

And its like, no, I worked 10 hours today and the counter for Miss MFC just restarted. Its pure chance. But just like the camscore guy, I've seen people comment on my rank and tell me they only like "the secret, hidden, low ranked girls" and leave my room. Which is all hilarious now because I didn't even hit $1000 IN THE WHOLE MONTH, last month on MFC. But I have people who have refused to ever come back to me based on one time I did well (or appeared to do well, camscore can easily be manipulated.)

So I can see how someone sitting at #900, which is decent for some main bills, but not ballin', could experienced a guy who doesn't really understand the financial numbers behind that, judging her as being "high ranked" for having the numbers.

All this aside, I believe I read a girl can simply opt-out, so I guess this resolves all this. But anyway, dem my thoughts.

 

[Poppy01]

Oh my goodness NerdieBirdie that's really say . I'm sorry to hear about your car accident too. I can't believe they just ditched like that! Did they not think that thanks to them your in that position? Some people!

In regards to the topic I like the update. I'm a small fish on MFC very small...but since the update my regs like to clap and tip more if they see I am getting better in the rankings .

Good that we have the option though x.

 

[Picnic]

I honestly love it. As someone who often falls into the #1000-2000 range but wants to be doing better, I think this will be a helpful tool for both myself and my dudes who want to help me push through rank goals.

I'm planning to go for #900 in November, and I love the idea of not having to frequently update my rank on manycam - people will be able to see it on their own!

 

[AmberCutie]

For anyone who doesn't like it, there is an option:



Also we already had some chat about this in another thread so I merged, in case you were confused.

 

[MDouble00]

My opinion has been to never really put stock into rank or cam score when determining the models I visit. There are so many girls on the site to only look at the first couple of rows or based off a monthly list seems so limiting.

Reading through some of the more recent replies about members who stopped tipping because of a camscore or rank bump is pretty bad form in my book.

That said a few models that I tip, I have found when they crack the top 200 in a given month their way of working their show's suddenly turns to focusing strictly on the rank. And while I still tip I don't like the added come on let's stay top 200 pressure. Or each day after it becomes let's get back into the top 200, 150, etc. Instead of the normal let's just have fun vibe that exists when rank is not in play.

 

[bsurs]

For those who set their homepage model list to show Miss MFC rank, the Model List Settings popup now has the option of displaying up to the top 1000. (The Miss MFC page itself still lists only up to the Top 250, though.)

 

[DonCornillio]

Models receiving 80% or more of her tokens as "ninja" are really suspicious! It is quite easy to figure out self-tipping and models that play the game fair on top 20. I will not say names but a girl with 40+ regulars getting almost all of her tips on public chat can get top 20 every month easily and fair, a model with 4 reagulars, a really quiet room and almost never reaches goals but still on top 20 ALWAYS is really really suspicious. (unless they have BIG whales on their rooms).

 

[Kickaz]

This thread has become another conspiracy theory whith absolutely no proof!

First of all drama exists with lower models as well. In fact most of the drama I have seen has come from models that do not place top 100. It's easier to notice the drama of top 100 because they are on more hours usually and more members see them.
Second lots of people are talking about self tipping being such a big thing in the top 20 and during my four years on mfc and 3 years of getting top 9 I have never seen it happen at such frequency that it should be noted as a problem. I have also talked with a lot of the top models and no one really would do anything like that because if you are already top 20 it would be completely stupid to tip your own money. It would be pretty stupid to tip your own money at any rank in my opinion.
Also winning miss mfc is not like winning the oscars. Sorry but when we retire no one will really care who we were on mfc and how many times we got the crown. All that matters is if you were able to provide security for yourself.
It's still a great competition and it keeps me motivated every single month to be more creative and entertain my room the best I can. It aslo is the main reason why mfc does so well.