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I think the challenge of a yearly competition is the risk of exhausting the spirit of competition among both models and members. Monthly competition is a self-contained timeframe and it's not surprising that a model would push intensely for a month, then take a few days or weeks or months off to recover or mitigate the risk of burn-out. But I imagine that members, too, need downtime. If the competition is ongoing, there's nothing to differentiate a competitive push from any other day.

A yearly competition might benefit MFC since there's turnover among both members and models, but that's presuming the turnover is high enough to compensate for the number of members and models who burn out. If it isn't, both models and members will either lose interest or go elsewhere (the trajectory Jicky mentioned earlier). And in the longterm, it would probably lose its impact. You can see these patterns elsewhere, like Black Friday, where, once a year, retailers encourage consumers to beat the shit out of one another for a DVD player. If every day were a Black Friday, it wouldn't work and consumers would give and receive fewer beatings. Or, say, retailers who schedule on-off patterns of sales interspersed with item-specific micro-sales or coupon codes. (If you don't like the sale model, then think of something like a limited-edition, premium-value model.) It's the time-pressure that makes something like a competition work because it counteracts consumer hesitation. If there's no downtime, the pressure loses its impact.

In theory, both a monthly and yearly competition could work with one another if a model modulates the pressure: a few monthly pushes interspersed with downtime, then a final yearly push (etc). But it would take some sensitivity. If we presume members visit more than one model and if we presume members who favor one high-earning models will gravitate towards other high-earning models, then there's a pretty high risk that, in the great Venn diagram of member-model spending patterns, the overlap (members who frequent high-earning models, engage with the competition, spend freely, cover MFC's server costs) will be exhausted very quickly, because not all models will modulate their pressure and the ones who do are unlikely to be in sync with one another. So it's likely that generosity and competitive spirit will eventually be exhausted. Again, turnover could compensate for that, but that's a pretty risky bet. Unless I'm missing something, it seems more likely that you'd just see a growing proportion of general indifference.

A daily competition makes more sense. Models can pick and choose which days to push and members are more likely to see the impact of their efforts.

I'm not into competition personally - at least not when it comes to camming - but like Jicky said, it's an interesting thread.
 
TicTacToe said:
On a side note: I was nothing but respectful towards you and everyone else on this thread. I know you are respected member of ACF, and friends with Ambercutie, but the negativity in your posts all over the board is pretty appalling. You are hostile to male members of this forum, to new members, and to models too. Like a bully basically.

Lolz. The "fuck you" comment aside (which she immediately apologised for) JJ did as JJ always does - post intelligently and passionately. Don't confuse an opposing opinion with "negativity" and "hostility". More often than not, I find myself in agreement with JJ, but on the few occasions we've disagreed on something, she's always argued her point concisely and respectfully. There's a reason her opinion is valued around these parts and it's not cos' she's some meanie-pants bully with an aversion to penis-bearers.
 
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Well I'm glad at least some people understood my point...

Thanks ya'll for having my back. :love5:

Tic... You started an account, walked into a community and started preaching without even saying hello first... then got snarky when people (Me, specifically) shared their actual experiences and reasons for their train of thought
"OK :thumbleft:"

If you expected people to hold your hand and wash your feet while you stood atop your soap box and looked down on the work ethics of 90% of the models AND members (it takes dedication from both sides to achieve those goals) just to shove a doctrine down our throats we have adamantly said we do not support or wish to take part in, I hate to inform you that is not how society works. You don't just get to walk in and declare yourself worthy of respect without making effort to be respectable first.

Maybe you thought you were? Maybe you don't realize your kind of rude... but you are and you were responded to in such.

I'll start boarding up my windows in preparation of the "MFC yearly inquisition" :lol:

Sincerely,
meanie-pants bully with an aversion to penis-bearers
 
Alexandra Cole said:
A yearly competition might benefit MFC since there's turnover among both members and models, but that's presuming the turnover is high enough to compensate for the number of members and models who burn out. If it isn't, both models and members will either lose interest or go elsewhere (the trajectory Jicky mentioned earlier). And in the longterm, it would probably lose its impact.

From my personal perspective as a member, I don't think a lot of models realize the amount of burnout that occurs when they emphasize things like rank and camscore and meeting a certain token goal for the day or week or month or whatever. I don't go to a model's room to engage in competition and I think I am not alone in that. :twocents-02cents:
 
yossarian said:
TicTacToe said:
On a side note: I was nothing but respectful towards you and everyone else on this thread.

Here, let me help you. This is what you're doing:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... =Mansplain

This is exactly it. What is up with this behaviour? It happens so often. I don't think in most cases it's a conscious attempt to put the woman down and more unconscious ignorance and the wish to make themselves feel important, clever and useful. In the best case scenario it's simply pointing out the obvious and in the worst case scenario it's completely wrong. It's also something that men do a lot more than women. Men seem to want to fix things with a simple answer even when something doesn't need fixing. In most cases though the man has thought about someones issue for a whole 20 seconds to 2 minutes and points out the first answer not thinking that maybe the person they're "helping" has probably thought at length about solutions to their issue.
Kind of on par to "I can't find my keys anywhere", and someone going "Have you checked your bag/pocket?"
 
Miss_Lollipop said:
:liar: I come bearing penis!
I guess I'm required to smite thee? Apparently? ... I'm not sure how this works from here. :lol:

I'll throw out here that I am in no way opposed to the Miss MFC competition, quite the opposite in fact, I think it's wonderful for the site! I really enjoy doing a little top 100 run from time to time. Over the years MFC has slowly moved to make it more accessible to a larger group of models to see their names in lights, including most recently making the top 250 list available. MFC seems to be moving in the opposite direction of this proposed idea, and closing the gap between the top 20, and the rest of the models. My point of my ranking history was not to complain, I have chosen to only make occasional top 100 pushes for mine and my rooms overall well being. I have a life as well as three businesses, I just don't have the time. My point was only in that I happened to be in a rare spot to have a very first hand witness experience during two of the biggest changes in the Miss MFC ranking competition, so when I speak of the effects and how increased competition would only push the idea of a model who is not able to do top 100 at least once completely out of the realm of feasible... I'm doing so from a place of actual experience and not speculation.

While it may be very motivating to the few models who know they will take the crown, it's is likely to have the opposite effect on others and create a feeling of hopelessness and failure where there need not be. To further enforce that idea, that Tic also seems to have (funnily enough helps make my point) to members and models, that if you are not in the top 20/100 you are not successful.

Competition IS motivating, but when the competition becomes too exclusive for most to play it can create a poison in the atmosphere that negatively affects everyone.
 
I think a very slim minority of models are driven by external competitions. The bulk of us want to perform the best we can when we're online, have fun with the members in our room, consistently improve our shows and earnings, pay our bills, and enjoy our lives.

I can't see how this yearly contest idea would benefit anyone except the top four or five models in the running. Desiring more and more recognition and prestige is, by definition, narcissistic. There is much more to being a successful model than an MFC rank.
 
Miss_Lollipop said:
:liar: I come bearing penis!

I hate all penis bearers... I feel an irrational need to point and laugh when they're not erect and an uncontrollable hatred when they are. I must be in the wrong job as my job pretty much requires me to be nice to penis bearers... :whistle:

For this "camgirls hate men" theory to actually work all camgirls would have to be hostile to every man who comes to this forum. This just isn't the case. It's a select few members who get this treatment and the feelings seem to be shared by camgirls and male members alike. I really doubt it's anything to do with the sex of the person and more people just disagreeing with them. If a guy disagreed with me here my first response wouldn't be that he's sexist and hates women.

The reason that more male members tend to get shot down on this forum is pretty simple. The camgirls here are here as part of our jobs, most of us are relatively careful with what we say on the public forum even if we seem very free with our opinions. We're much more likely to be invested in this forum in the longterm and therefore less likely to mess things up. We are also not completely anonymous. Things we say here can come back at us.
Put this together with the fact that most successful camgirls also have a fair amount of social intelligence and tend to be the kinds of people that are appealing to spend time with. Members on the other hand may be very charismatic and socially intelligent but there is no reason for them to be. In fact places like camsites are very popular with men who find social situations more difficult than others, or perhaps are having issues with women in real life. It's not that difficult to come to a conclusion that put a bunch of socially savvy women together with less socially savvy dudes in a situation where people are encouraged to be open with their opinions, the men are much more likely to come across issues. It has nothing to do with sex. Camgirls have come to this forum before and have been called out in the same way. Sometimes I step out of line and someone will call me out on it. Most of the time I'll apologise for it, but I don't accuse the person of bullying or sexism if I don't agree. Plenty of male members are on this forum and have never been called out on anything.

Maybe camgirls are less tolerant of members being irritating here, but we deal with it on a daily basis at work, having it seep into this forum is an annoyance and many see no reason why they should hold their tongue. I think the forum is a better place because of it. Those who stick around tend to be really cool guys who respect camgirls and their work. I rarely find any of the frequent members of this forum irritating.

Sorry it's rant O'clock :p I fell asleep too early and got woken up the middle of the night. I just want to clarify that I can only speak for myself, but I love penis bearers. Sure I think a whole load of dudes can be total arseholes, but I also think that so many men are wonderful people. Men and women are very different, but we make up two sides. It's important that we get along rather than being "them" and "us". Some men seem to think that women start hating men more after being a camgirl. I have not found this in the slightest. I think this only happens if you're already a lesbian and didn't like male company to begin with. Hanging out with people you don't like probably could make you feel a bit resentful. I think I understand men a lot more since becoming a camgirl, but my up and down dislikes for the male sex has nothing to do with camming.
 
Isabella_deL said:
Miss_Lollipop said:
:liar: I come bearing penis!

Sorry it's rant O'clock :p I fell asleep too early and got woken up the middle of the night. I just want to clarify that I can only speak for myself, but I love penis bearers. Sure I think a whole load of dudes can be total arseholes, but I also think that so many men are wonderful people. Men and women are very different, but we make up two sides. It's important that we get along rather than being "them" and "us". Some men seem to think that women start hating men more after being a camgirl. I have not found this in the slightest. I think this only happens if you....didn't like male company to begin with. Hanging out with people you don't like probably could make you feel a bit resentful. I think I understand men a lot more since becoming a camgirl, but my up and down dislikes for the male sex has nothing to do with camming.
Agreeing with Isabella. I had become wary and afraid of men, especially those in authority, after some personal situations where men really abused their power. Camming helped me so much! I've met so many cool men, had a lot of fun, and enjoyed sexuality and exploration in a way that was safe and exciting for both parties involved. Because of camming, my fear dissipated, and my strength returned. Camming has helped me come back to really liking men, restored my self-confidence, and really helped my healing in a way I don't think anything else could have.

Blanket statements never work. There are thousand and thousands of camgirls and millions of men. We're all different.
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Back on topic -- there's something else I wanted to say about this whole "if you aren't in Top X, it's because you aren't working hard enough" argument. First, most people are not motivated by more and more money. Second, the statement ignores that models have other things in their lives. Many are in school, some have families, some have other jobs.

We all know how much work it takes to get in the upper echelons in terms of MFC rankings. But that isn't a balanced life. To slight a model for "not working hard enough" is to ignore that she may be working at other things or have other priorities in her life. Money is only one measure of success, and it only means a lot when you don't have it. I'm older. I've made lots of money; I've lost lots of money. That's just life.

Furthermore, the statement makes no sense. It's illogical. There are only 100 top spots. If 117 women work equally hard, do the same things, put in the same effort offline, and have the same number of people in their rooms, there are still only 100 top slots.

If the reward was that every model who made over XXXXXX tokens in a month got recognition and a reward, then the statement would hold more weight, because then, anyone could strive for the minimum amount of tokens to be considered a Top Model. The current ranking only allows for 100 women to be considered Top Models. That means that the 101st or 135th could have worked just as hard, but there are still only 100 slots.

I don't think a yearly competition would motivate anyone other than the top few. I also think it could be wearying for members. I know some members enjoy the competition and like helping their favorite model achieve higher rankings. I also think the majority are more interested in having fun, relaxing, and unwinding with someone pretty, personable, and with whom they enjoy spending time.

MFC is work, not a pageant. If people are comfortable with and like themselves, then their work, the friendships they make, and the money they earn are sufficient enough 'rewards'. They don't typically need external validation from artifice.
 
There's one big thing that a few people have touched on, but I don't think it's been highlighted enough.

Miss MFC ranking is not the only way to define success.

Just because a girl doesn't place well in the Miss MFC ranking does NOT mean the site is not working well for her.

So, Tic, while your statement that if the site doesn't work she might want to look elsewhere is true, the idea that placing in the MFC competition is the way to determine whether or not it's working for her is false.

It's simple: models need to put in enough work to make the money needed to maintain the lifestyle they wish to have. If they are putting in 30+ hours a week and STILL not making enough money, it's time to find a different site. Or try splitting sites. (I make the most money when I alternate between two different jobs, and two sites count as two jobs, so that works for me).

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Some models are motivated by competition. For these models, the MFC contest does provide incentive to be creative and provide a better service.

Some models are not motivated by competition. For these models, the MFC contest does nothing but provide an occasional goal to reach.

Some models are discouraged by competition. For these models, the MFC contest gives them a defeatist attitude which is counterproductive, and leads to worse service. Unless they manage to ignore it.

The camscore is the same deal as the Miss MFC contest, but instead of being about overall tokens, it's about tokens per hour.

Models: if you are one of those people who get defeated by competition, it's best to ignore the competitions.

Yes, sitting around without token flow hurts the camscore. But if you aren't online, there's no chance anyone will find you. It's a balance between being online often enough to build a brand, and not letting dull moments kill your placement.

But there's something aside from homepage placement. There's TAGS. We can tag ourselves. So think about what audience you want to draw in. Then think about what tags they are likely to look for. Give yourself those tags. Voila! You'll have people funnelled to your room who are actually looking for the things you are offering.

Ladies, tag yourselves appropriately. Gentlemen, if you're looking for something specific, search for that tag. (And that one gentleman who suggested that MFC allow to filter the tag results by yet more tags had a very good idea, even if his preferences were questionable to us).
 
FWIW, as a member, the Miss MFC competition can be kind of annoying as it is. It's great for the models, but there's really no benefit for the members other than seeing your favorite model happy, which will also happen if she has a fun room and good tips. It's really like the sales contests that many companies have--it's designed to motivate the workers, not the customers. I was going to use the analogy of a car salesman trying to sell you multiple cars so they can win the sales contest, but that doesn't exactly fit. How about this: I used to work in an electronics store, full of commissioned employees. Imagine if we were good friends, or maybe family, and you came into that store to buy a television. I showed you the TV's and then said "Hey, I'm trying to make salesman of the year. It would really help me if you'd buy this more expensive TV. And all the accessories. And maybe a dishwasher too. And could you come back in December and buy a couple iPads?" This is your friend/family member, somebody you like or possibly love. Think of how awkward that would be. You want to help them, but you can't do what they're asking. I sometimes get the same feeling with models when they're competing for top 100. There's only so much I can tip, and if nobody else is tipping her, it puts pressure on the regulars to make up the slack.

Honestly, when my favorites go for top 100 or something like that, I usually take a break from their rooms for a while, depending on how they are about it. I go to MFC to relax and chat, not to be involved in a cutthroat competition, and I certainly don't want the "hard sell." I know some guys thrive on competition, but I'm not one of them.
 
yossarian said:
Honestly, when my favorites go for top 100 or something like that, I usually take a break from their rooms for a while, depending on how they are about it. I go to MFC to relax and chat, not to be involved in a cutthroat competition, and I certainly don't want the "hard sell." I know some guys thrive on competition, but I'm not one of them.

I think this is most models' main concern. Making her regulars feel used or like they should go into debt for her. I agree with your sentiment, however. When my fave models try for top 100, I look at my measly 250 tokens and wonder if it would even make a difference. But that's where you have to draw the line, Yoss. Tip what you can, when you can. So that you can still live comfortably. When you run out, oh well. Stay and chat every night just like you used to. Because more than likely, your model will be putting in double hours to try to reach her goal. This is to gain NEW viewers. And new viewers don't stick around and become TIPPERS unless they are interested in a model's personality (and chatroom). This social interaction (with or without the tips) from you will help her reach Top 100. You are making her room just a little more friendly and inviting. It makes people stop and say, "Wow, people are actually talking about real things in here! Not just T&A!! Wonder what this room's all about?!?" And all it takes is for ONE high tipper to stop by (thanks to you and viewers like you) that can make her monetary goals realistic.

TLDR; Chatting is {almost} more beneficial than tipping. Not always (if you're a douche), but almost.

Edited: I'm not saying tipping is bad. Money-spending's good. But when you reach your limit, there's still more that you can do to help.
 
yossarian said:
FWIW, as a member, the Miss MFC competition can be kind of annoying as it is. It's great for the models, but there's really no benefit for the members other than seeing your favorite model happy, which will also happen if she has a fun room and good tips. It's really like the sales contests that many companies have--it's designed to motivate the workers, not the customers. I was going to use the analogy of a car salesman trying to sell you multiple cars so they can win the sales contest, but that doesn't exactly fit. How about this: I used to work in an electronics store, full of commissioned employees. Imagine if we were good friends, or maybe family, and you came into that store to buy a television. I showed you the TV's and then said "Hey, I'm trying to make salesman of the year. It would really help me if you'd buy this more expensive TV. And all the accessories. And maybe a dishwasher too. And could you come back in December and buy a couple iPads?" This is your friend/family member, somebody you like or possibly love. Think of how awkward that would be. You want to help them, but you can't do what they're asking. I sometimes get the same feeling with models when they're competing for top 100. There's only so much I can tip, and if nobody else is tipping her, it puts pressure on the regulars to make up the slack.

Honestly, when my favorites go for top 100 or something like that, I usually take a break from their rooms for a while, depending on how they are about it. I go to MFC to relax and chat, not to be involved in a cutthroat competition, and I certainly don't want the "hard sell." I know some guys thrive on competition, but I'm not one of them.

Actually it is marketed to members too. Specifically to members that are driven *by* competition for competitions sake.

As far as "hey can you buy stuff so i can get sales man of the year" scenario, it doesn't fit really either. A better example would be "Hey there! Our company is having a competition to see who can do the most sales this month! As incentive, I'm giving away/offering x y z this month if you spend over x with me"


iTs not a perfect scenario but the point im trying to make is that camgirls going for a ranking generally (not always) do not sit on their butt and say "HEY! I'm going for top 100 so tip!" they say "hey this is my goal this month! I'm going to work double the hours, play lots of games, run this promotion and this promotion and offer this and this and this and this and do this and this and this as an incentive to help us get there"

They cam more. they offer more. they bust their ass. its not awkward.
 
Here are corrected numbers. Thanks to MyCamgirl for providing missing data and corrections. Turns out I was missing quite a few more models.

In the past 12 months, 339 different models have finished in the Top 100.
  • 152 models were ranked for at least 3 months
  • 98 models were ranked for at least 5 months
  • 78 models were ranked for at least 6 months
  • 14 models were ranked for all 12 months
(Numbers are just a little bit off due to some models choosing to remain anonymous and lack of official listings from MFC.)

So the pool of models who've been in the Top 100 is a bit bigger, but still small compared to the total number of active models. Because of the significant number of models who rank in 5 or more months, it does seem unlikely that a model who's never finished in the monthly Top 100 would somehow end up being ranked in a yearly contest.
 
bsurs said:
Here are corrected numbers. Thanks to MyCamgirl for providing missing data and corrections. Turns out I was missing quite a few more models.

In the past 12 months, 339 different models have finished in the Top 100.
  • 152 models were ranked for at least 3 months
  • 98 models were ranked for at least 5 months
  • 78 models were ranked for at least 6 months
  • 14 models were ranked for all 12 months
(Numbers are just a little bit off due to some models choosing to remain anonymous and lack of official listings from MFC.)

So the pool of models who've been in the Top 100 is a bit bigger, but still small compared to the total number of active models. Because of the significant number of models who rank in 5 or more months, it does seem unlikely that a model who's never finished in the monthly Top 100 would somehow end up being ranked in a yearly contest.
And that was mostly my point, that while there is still a very tiny chance that it maybe could happen now... once the announcement is made that chance will likely disappear with heightened competition for the yearly spot and even the monthly contest will get that much harder.
It's nice to know now that there is enough room in the top 100 with each fresh month for girls who are not regularly up there to make a push and finish in the top ranks.
I'm not opposed to the top girls being rewarded at all, I feel fortunate to have been on the receiving end of that reward quite a few times... but I'll probably always lean on the side of the average ranked model having more incentives. The top 250 list being visible is super exciting! This is exactly how the top 100 came to be, nobody really cared about top 100 before and it was definitely not a big deal but it grew to be and shortly prizes followed... I hope to see the top 250 go the same direction and open the field a bit more. :)

I apologize if anyone takes this view as 'negative' but it's actually coming from a positive place. I honestly feel that the proposed idea would have a much more negative affect overall than some assume and I care enough about MFC as a whole to REALLY want to avoid that happening.

But I'll leave this as my final post about it.
 
JoleneBrody said:
I'm not opposed to the top girls being rewarded at all, I feel fortunate to have been on the receiving end of that reward quite a few times... but I'll probably always lean on the side of the average ranked model having more incentives. The top 250 list being visible is super exciting! This is exactly how the top 100 came to be, nobody really cared about top 100 before and it was definitely not a big deal but it grew to be and shortly prizes followed... I hope to see the top 250 go the same direction and open the field a bit more. :)

Making a bigger deal out of things like Top 250 (and maybe even eventually extending it to Top 500) seems like a much better way of promoting competition to me as well. I can see why the vast majority of models wouldn't even think about taking a run at the Top 100 as there's just so many factors that need to swing in their favour in order for it to even be a possibility.

A yearly Miss MFC would only make the Top 100 harder to breach for models who have never been there, and would likely discourage many models from even trying. By making a bigger deal out of a Top 500 though, a model having a good month and finishing inside said Top 500 for the first time might then be inspired to kick things up a notch and see if she can make Top 250 the next month. A Top 250 month and all that comes with it, might then inspire that model to put together a Top 100 run, when only a few months previous, it was something she wouldn't have even considered.

MFC could also hand out various prizes/incentives to Top 500 models - $$$ or their image at the top of the site or even something like an hour in the top row of the homepage regardless of camscore - for things like highest climber of the month, best single day of the month, highest single tip of the month, most individual tippers of the month, etc. etc. :twocents-02cents:
 
A thought occurred to me about the yearlong competition. While I've been a member for a few years, I'm not on MFC that much these days. For the first year or two, I was on pretty steadily, but now I'm on for a month or two then off again, unless there's a special occasion, like a recent birthday. I don't that pattern is unique to me.

Monthly competitions are fun, and members get into them. The beauty of them is that they are short-term goals. A member, even of modest means, can look ahead that far and say "Let's make this happen!". If the major event on MFC becomes the annual competition - and it would - the timeline for members looks a lot different. An average member would look at that and say "Do I really want to spend my money on MFC for a year to support this model?"

It's the same kind of calculation member make when a model posts her entire monthly or even daily goal in her topic. Those are big numbers, and that can be intimidating, especially for members who earn a lot less than top models. The year-long number would be huge, even if, like the monthly one, it's not explicitly stated, and that's on a site most members, even tippers, visit in order to relax and spend a few bucks for shits and giggles.

Anyway, t'was just a thought.
 
I think the monthly competition is good enough bc like servin says its easier to help a model for a couple weeks to a month to achieve at least top 100. If there was a yearly competition, itd drive mfc traffic down bc honestly i cant see the same regulars or new members trying to help their favorite model win yearly. The month to month is good enough and insane as is

If the same model is in top 10 every month, why fix what isnt broke? The yearly competition would be useless.

:twocents-02cents:
 
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