MFC wiki camscore page updated

[nzhere]

The camscore page in the MFC Wiki has been updated

http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/CamScore

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Oh fuck YES. This is awesome. I love how they present it as well; not too specific, but the general understanding is there. And it's great that they say rating/admiring doesn't help and that 1-token tips do.

 

[bsurs]

It's interesting that it avoids being explicit about the 60-day time period (only mentions it "for example"). I noticed old versions of this wiki page had 100 days as the example period. Was it ever anything other than 60 days? I guess they want the option of changing it in the future without causing too much controversy.

Also, I'm guessing the 4-6 hour update interval it talks about refers to how often the average tokens/hour is recalculated, and not how often the scores themselves are updated? I've seen that scores are updated more often than that when the model is online.

 

[Nordling]

One thing I've noticed is that the camscore seen when you click on a model's name while in her room, and the "mini profile" pops up, cam scores do not update to reflect the change that does update in her profile. I don't know when that score updates; I've only noticed that it's the same as the profile score when she first logs in.

 

[yossarian]

There is nothing that a member can do to lower your CamScore.

"Fine, if you won't show ur ass, I will tip you NEGATIVE a million tokens!"

 

[CallMeWilliam]

There is nothing that a member can do to lower your CamScore.

Not true, if members stop tipping then that will lower the score.

Yeah I know what they mean but it's still wrong...

 

[AmberCutie]

There is nothing that a member can do to lower your CamScore.

Not true, if members stop tipping then that will lower the score.

Yeah I know what they mean but it's still wrong...

Technically that would mean something the member is not doing. Which is the opposite of doing.

 

[yossarian]

There is nothing that a member can do to lower your CamScore.

Not true, if members stop tipping then that will lower the score.

Yeah I know what they mean but it's still wrong...

Technically that would mean something the member is not doing. Which is the opposite of doing.

Yes, by that logic, my mom is negatively affecting every cam model's livelihood by never getting on the internet.

 

[Nordling]

Yeah, the only way a member could possibly affect cam score other than tipping is if by his behavior caused OTHER members to either quit tipping or start tipping.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Gained a little bit more respect for the place I work at. I love myfreecams but certain things like this have lowered my respect for them as a site. I am extremely happy that they've actually put it on the wiki. I guess now they've realised that most of the girls know about it anyway and that members are using it to harass and abuse models.

To be honest I wish they'd just get rid of the whole rating and admiring thing. Almost none of the guys who tell you they've done it actually have and when they say it in the room it's like they expect a reward from it.

I think like the models only section on here it'd be nice if Mfc had a wiki that you can only access if you're a myfreecams model which explains more information in detail. Like how to deal with irrational members, stalking, reasons why not going off site for shows and income is beneficial to the model and ignoring the rules could not only get them banned from myfreecams it could put them at risk. At the end of the day most models sign up for a camsite expecting there might be a darker side. Explaining the situation to models is hardly going to cause harm. Just explaining things like "If you get bad vibes from a member or a member is making you feel uncomfortable/harassing you, you do not need to put up with it" imput explaining exactly how the ban and ignore button work. I know they would never want to get too personal in the same way we do on this forum but it'd be nice to have an informal help section with examples and reassurances for some of the situations that do come up. I see too many girls getting scammed, harassed and abused who had no idea they even could stop or control it before it was too late.

I do like that they've kept it short and to the point on the wiki though. I love how they say "just as an example..." for the 60 day rule, it's like "who are you kidding? Just tell everyone it's over 60 days ffs" I don't see why they pussyfoot around it so much. But hey, at least they said it!

 

[LilyMarie]

http://www.reddit.com/comments/250k3h/m ... or/chht0tu
:whistle: :-D

 

[AmberCutie]

http://www.reddit.com/comments/250k3h/myfreecamscom_watch_real_girls_live_on_webcam_for/chht0tu
:whistle: :-D

There's some proof for the non-believers, haha. (The ones suggesting it wasn't actually an MFC admin posting the reddit thread.)

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I love how responsive mfc has been to model and member feedback over the last year. THey are seriously starting to listen and let us help them improve their site and it makes me feel better about working for them

I love this explanation!

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I don't understand how to do reddit stuff.. but if someone could add to that that it would be helpful if they could mention what counts as 'online' time (away mode/broadcasting)

I don't know if they'll add it or not but i think it needs to go in there.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I don't understand how to do reddit stuff.. but if someone could add to that that it would be helpful if they could mention what counts as 'online' time (away mode/broadcasting)

I don't know if they'll add it or not but i think it needs to go in there.

Definitely this. There are many models and members who've said that camscore gets effected by logging onto the homepage. Just chatting to members offline every now and then can really make friendships grow and can seriously help token earnings. Obviously there's nothing better than broadcasting but it's good for models to know that they won't get punished by putting in a little of extra time.

Also well done LilyMarie! I'm so happy to see that thread is actually real. I have absolutely no idea how to use Reddit but I think this might actually be worth learning! Am curious to read some of the other suggestions.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Not sure how everyone would feel about this, but instead of hiding the camscore (as I've seen many models do with the new MFC option/through coding. What if they cycled the models (though, still perhaps with models organised by camscore). For instance, every so many minutes have whoever is in the first row on the first page be put onto the last row on the last page, and in turn the lower rows pushed up. I think if they kept it that way as default there would be more camgirls getting more traffic, instead of everyone just stopping at the top camscore ones first. Then if people wanted to order models in a different way they could, but at least some rooms that never get seen on the first page, because they had a bad start could benefit. *shrug

If members chose to set the order by camscore they could still view models how it is now (or they could choose alphabet/most popular room etc.)

I figured since they already have rank telling everyone who's making the most each month then why have camscore there to deter everyone, but the top/those lucky enough to be found. It at least might make models with a lower camscore feel less cheated, when like nearly every other model who starts there they too didn't know what it was or how detrimental it is to their finances. Chances are they also don't realise how many tokens it takes per hour to maintain just a 1000 camscore seems to only rise month to month.

 

[nzhere]

===== Hiding CamScore =====
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+ Models can choose that their CamScore not be displayed on the website or their profile by changing the setting in the "Model Settings" portion of their [[Model Admin]].

 

[moviedvd970]

i applaud mfc for trying. adding the why they use cam score & clearing up some myths that is great. but the most important part, the how took a big step backward imo

Calculation
CamScore is a calculated based the model's token earnings on the site over some period of time. The same algorithm is used for all models.

this doesn't give new models a good explaination of how it is calculated. it used to say the average number of tokens per hours vs average tokens per hour of the other models. while not perfect it gave a better idea how it is calculated before.

Raising CamScore
Since CamScore is calculated based on a model's token earnings, the only way to raise it is for the models to earn more tokens.
When a model's performance on the site improves, she will see her CamScore rise quickly. The lower the CamScore, the faster it will increase

this doesn't mention that it is average tokens/hour not just tokens earned regardless of how long it took to earn them.

Sudden Changes in CamScore
CamScore is calculated based on a model's token earnings over a certain period of time.
Let's say, for example, that period of time is 60 days

odd how they got very wishy washy with the time frames. saying for example 60 days instead of actually saying 60 days.

New Models
New models start with a default CamScore of 1000, but it will change quickly based on their actual performance on the site.
Median CamScore
The median CamScore is approximately 600. That means about half of the models on the site have a CamScore greater than 600, and half have a CamScore below 600

new models started out with a cam score of 1000 because that used to be the median camscore. they changed what the median camscore is. this indicates that they changed something in the formula of how camscore is calculated. makes me wonder what else the changed in the formula. if any of us know anymore how camscore is calculated.

sorry this got a bit long winded/ranty

 

[SexySteph]

New Models
New models start with a default CamScore of 1000, but it will change quickly based on their actual performance on the site.
Median CamScore
The median CamScore is approximately 600. That means about half of the models on the site have a CamScore greater than 600, and half have a CamScore below 600

new models started out with a cam score of 1000 because that used to be the median camscore. they changed what the median camscore is. this indicates that they changed something in the formula of how camscore is calculated. makes me wonder what else the changed in the formula. if any of us know anymore how camscore is calculated.

Median is different than average. 1000 is the starting out camscore because 1000 is the average and the camscore you can receive by earning the average amount. Median is the middle number.

For example:

5 camgirls each have a bag of fruit containing a certain number of fruit: 3 7 9 13 and 28. The median amount of fruit is 9, the average number of fruit is 12.

I'm assuming MFC shared the median number to show that if you have a camscore over 600 you're doing better than 50% of camgirls.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

===== Hiding CamScore =====

I understand the whole hiding camscore thing, but since it doesn't change the model's default placement, really it only benefits the models who don't like looking at their own camscore, or perhaps to relieve some pressure from any members who might be obsessed with it (I've had a few like that, and it can be VERY frustrating to have someone telling you "Hey, looks like it rose 5 points!" or "Jeez 500 point drop!". It's one of those things the model knows what it is, and there's nothing really to do except make the amount needed to raise it. Being reminded of it only will really only cause the model frustration. Plus it's not like people can't find out the hidden camscore. If they want they can simply look her up on camgirl.net.

Fact is if the camgirl has a low camscore, she will stay with a lower placement until the slow climb up, or if say if her members find her through a different sorting.

long, but I liked how it was put

I really have never quite figured out why they never give models the formulae. I figure they want it secret, so members don't ever figure out exactly how much they're spending or something along those lines. I have maintained close to 1200 for my camscore the past couple of months, but fact is I made more when I worked for McD's then what I made last month. One check was around 300 and one around 450. I did this on purpose (not making less money, but logging off in time to save my score, because I wanted to see how fast I could take my numbers up...it went up by about 100 points. Point is if I'm doing this poorly at around 1000. Then I'm thinking of how a model around the average must be doing. Also if she's pulling more hours to earn more, then she's likely having her score drop a ton per day since she's staying on longer without tokens. I've often had to pull tactics (almost every night) such as starting groups with my own premium account, just to make enough to keep my score up. I went originally from around 400 to 1000ish and it took forever.

My point in my last post was if people not used to how the site works came in with it cycling, then perhaps models with a harder time might be able to have ends meet a bit easier, then perhaps be able to have more fun with their camming. I mean I understand MFC wanting their highest earners to earn them more money, but it would probably earn them even more if members saw more variety at the top of the first page. Also it I think might make more members sign up for notifications for their favorites since they will know to not simply expect to see them at the first row each night their happen upon them being on.

 

[moviedvd970]

thank you steph for point out this error. i forgot that median was different than average.

 

[MyCamgirl]

I'm assuming MFC shared the median number to show that if you have a camscore over 600 you're doing better than 50% of camgirls.

With the data I have, here are the values I get:

Average = 997.443
Median = 670.500

These values are based on all accounts that are still open and that have been online in the last 60 days. I don't know if MFC uses the same conditions to calculate it. But to get the same value they have on wiki, I would have to limit to girls who have been online in the last 24 hours, then the median would be exactly 600.350.

The median is now being shown on every stats page, below the camscore graph.

 

[mutantdonut]

Got into a couple arguments with a few fellow members about rate/admire doesn't do squat for camscores. Now i can say, "read the freakin wiki if you need proof"