"meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKERS!"

[dustinxxxizzle]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

You're in Australia where it's legal if I recall correctly. Here in States, we have sting operations with cops posting up fake ads to bust people. They also do the same with escorts, so you actually need to have references from escorts to even see an escort, which as you can imagine is quite the dilemma to a first time person. It's just not even worth it in the US, in my opinion.

 

[AmberCutie]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

In all seriousness though, why would a member pay this kind of money to travel to some distant location to have sex with a camgirl (if it's not a scam in the first place), when if theyre interested in paying for sex they could take their pick of escorts for a fraction of the price.

Because some guys get really attached to their favorite cam girl and put her on a pedestal and would rather take a chance at getting her than some ladyschmoe from CS?

 

[JoleneBrody]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

@Jolene - It sounds good in theory, but MFC raffles for sex is still rather dangerous. It puts the model's identity at risk too.

And escorting is neither dangerous or putting a girls identity at risk? When did this change happen? When did I say either weren't dangerous?
I think you may be over analyzing everything horny. I didn't write a theory... I just expressed a positive and negative view point on truth. There is no question that some models use MFC as a way to escort, it's just fact.

I don't see it as an issue, but I do try and make sure the model understands what kind of risks the model is putting herself into - usually in the form of a link to here (of course, in a passive manner e.g. 'Hey, I've found some interesting advice on a reputable forum - would you like to check it out? Here's a link to a useful thread: -link to ACF thread-' as opposed to 'Here's the dangers of meeting people: -link to ACF thread-'). I do wonder how many people actually send the tips, and how many actually get to meet the model.

Also, and I may be 100% wrong here as I'm obviously not Ambah, but adding that you feel the need to explain the dangers to girls about date raffles neither added nor took away from what she quoted. It really was in my opinion an unnecessary statement expressing that you honestly over step your bounds. Unless a girl asks you for advice I suggest you not instantly assume they are stupid and can't look out for them selves.
It is really nice of you to be concerned but it could be EXTREMELY insulting to a model who has likely put weeks of thought and planning into something.

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

You're in Australia where it's legal if I recall correctly. Here in States, we have sting operations with cops posting up fake ads to bust people. They also do the same with escorts, so you actually need to have references from escorts to even see an escort, which as you can imagine is quite the dilemma to a first time person. It's just not even worth it in the US, in my opinion.

Ahh yeah, I dunno - I think it's legal here if it's in a brothel, I've never been to an escort, but I got that ad off an american site - there are literally hundreds of ads that the girls post daily, I assumed it must be legal in california. They also have reviews from previous "customers" etc. I have a real-life friend (who lives in Sacramento) who works through that site so I know at least some of them aren't cops etc.

 

[Vanessa Jade]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

You're in Australia where it's legal if I recall correctly. Here in States, we have sting operations with cops posting up fake ads to bust people. They also do the same with escorts, so you actually need to have references from escorts to even see an escort, which as you can imagine is quite the dilemma to a first time person. It's just not even worth it in the US, in my opinion.

Ahh yeah, I dunno - I think it's legal here if it's in a brothel, I've never been to an escort, but I got that ad off an american site - there are literally hundreds of ads that the girls post daily, I assumed it must be legal in california. They also have reviews from previous "customers" etc. I have a real-life friend (who lives in Sacramento) who works through that site so I know at least some of them aren't cops etc.

Nope, it's definitely not legal in California. Which unfortunately makes it really unsafe for a lot of girls - they basically have no recourse if a crime is committed against them

 

[LilyPink]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I've seen pics of Aisha_Alexi's date, and Tori and Charlotte's double date.

I'm on my third date raffle and it's fun. I worry about the amount of tokens people are spending on it though and the disappointment if they don't win. I've decided that if my jar gets full I will think of some runner up prizes.

 

[Just Me]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

There is only one state, and that is limited to some counties, where prostitution is legal in the US. Nevada. No, it is not legal in Las Vegas or Reno. I think it is limited to counties in Nevada with less than 100,000 populations. Also, prostitutes do have recourse if a crime is committed against them. The police and legal system still protects them. Now if it is a client not paying them or something like that, then I do not think they have any recourse. But violence against them, sure.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Like this chick for example - $220hr for sex, $300/hr for anal (keeping in mind for an hour private a member around $290 at 8c/token)
BTW I'm not saying guys should go to see escorts instead of going pvt on a cam site, I'm just pointing out that if they're looking to pay for sex, there are better options than date raffles. I suspect a number of escorts cam in their spare time anyway...

In that third pic, it looks like she's operating from a dentists surgery. What exactly are the services she's offering again?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

There are guys on MFC who refuse to post a photo of themselves or even turn on their cam, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'd assume that those guys also wouldn't want their photo posted on MFC even if it's a photo with their favorite cam girl that they've met.

I don't plan on ever having a 'Meet me' raffle, but if I did it certainly wouldn't be a scam. I'm not a scammer.

 

[Nordling]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

There is only one state, and that is limited to some counties, where prostitution is legal in the US. Nevada. No, it is not legal in Las Vegas or Reno. I think it is limited to counties in Nevada with less than 100,000 populations. Also, prostitutes do have recourse if a crime is committed against them. The police and legal system still protects them. Now if it is a client not paying them or something like that, then I do not think they have any recourse. But violence against them, sure.

Why wouldn't they have recourse if someone stiffed them for payment for service rendered? Just like if you went into a grocery store in the same county and walked out with an armload of turnips without paying. Since the law is at the county level, I'd assume that the Sheriff and his deputies would have jurisdiction.

 

[abbeyrhode]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Even out of a few models I know that have had "Meet Me" raffles... I've never heard of a member actually meeting them...

When I was in vegas at the camgirl mansion many many of the girls had run meet in vegas raffles. All of them went on their dates and had a great time, except one that i'm aware of whose date did not arrive?

I will second that!

 

[Mirra]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Nordling, I believe Just Me was referring to the fact that across the country they are still protected against violent crimes even if it happens while they're working. However the illegality in most of the nation means it's not considered a valid business so they do not have any rights regarding the failure to pay for said services.

Correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation. >_>

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Even out of a few models I know that have had "Meet Me" raffles... I've never heard of a member actually meeting them...

When I was in vegas at the camgirl mansion many many of the girls had run meet in vegas raffles. All of them went on their dates and had a great time, except one that i'm aware of whose date did not arrive?

I will second that!

I think we're more talking about the all-expenses-paid come spend a week with me kind of raffle where some random non-regular who's never seen before or since "wins". Not saying some "meet me" stuff ain't legit, but sure as shit a lot aren't.

 

[bodisha]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Even out of a few models I know that have had "Meet Me" raffles... I've never heard of a member actually meeting them...

When I was in vegas at the camgirl mansion many many of the girls had run meet in vegas raffles. All of them went on their dates and had a great time, except one that i'm aware of whose date did not arrive?

I will second that!

I think we're more talking about the all-expenses-paid come spend a week with me kind of raffle where some random non-regular who's never seen before or since "wins". Not saying some "meet me" stuff ain't legit, but sure as shit a lot aren't.

Ultimately, my feelings about a "Meet me" raffle falls close to this... I'm sure some girls run fair, and honest raffles and have followed through with any obligations they have towards a raffle winner... But I feel the temptation to take the money & run is a big one for some girls... And overall I think the risks involved with losing tokens tipping for a raffle like this are high

I remembered one model, who i haven't seen on mfc in a while, was offering the chance for a member to make a video with her for a one time 10,000 token tip... I was in her room when she had some member asking her about it & i couldn't resist and jump in and asked "Why deal with a tip if someone could just give you $500 when they got off a plane?"... Which must have caught her by surprise because she sat there with a deer in the headlights look for a minute and never answered... i have zero opinion on what two consenting adults do behind the privacy of a closed door... so if they want to have sex that's their business... i just think the "Tips are gifts" policy of MFC makes events like this problematic as a whole

 

[LadyLuna]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I remembered one model, who i haven't seen on mfc in a while, was offering the chance for a member to make a video with her for a one time 10,000 token tip... I was in her room when she had some member asking her about it & i couldn't resist and jump in and asked "Why deal with a tip if someone could just give you $500 when they got off a plane?"... Which must have caught her by surprise because she sat there with a deer in the headlights look for a minute and never answered...

If that was me... it's because I was using the old "quote a price I know he won't pay" method of discouragement.

My promise is that I won't meet people from the camsites. Therefore, when someone asks to meet me and is really persistent and won't take "I promised multiple people I wouldn't" as a valid reason not to... I'll take a quick look at their reward points and quote a price I figure they'll never pay me. If I just say "10,000 tokens", well, they might tip 200 here and 1000 there and eventually I get a message saying "that was the last of the 10,000 tokens, when can we meet?" So, I say "10,000 tokens in a single tip". And they say "fuck that" and I never hear from them again ^_^ I always make sure to go down the whole list and make it a price that no one in the room can pay (that I know of). And when the guy leaves I explain that I don't really do meet-ups, but he wouldn't take no for an answer.

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I remembered one model, who i haven't seen on mfc in a while, was offering the chance for a member to make a video with her for a one time 10,000 token tip... I was in her room when she had some member asking her about it & i couldn't resist and jump in and asked "Why deal with a tip if someone could just give you $500 when they got off a plane?"... Which must have caught her by surprise because she sat there with a deer in the headlights look for a minute and never answered...

If that was me... it's because I was using the old "quote a price I know he won't pay" method of discouragement.

My promise is that I won't meet people from the camsites. Therefore, when someone asks to meet me and is really persistent and won't take "I promised multiple people I wouldn't" as a valid reason not to... I'll take a quick look at their reward points and quote a price I figure they'll never pay me. If I just say "10,000 tokens", well, they might tip 200 here and 1000 there and eventually I get a message saying "that was the last of the 10,000 tokens, when can we meet?" So, I say "10,000 tokens in a single tip". And they say "fuck that" and I never hear from them again ^_^ I always make sure to go down the whole list and make it a price that no one in the room can pay (that I know of). And when the guy leaves I explain that I don't really do meet-ups, but he wouldn't take no for an answer.

but what if he then buys 10k and tips, or has his tokens hidden, it'll either make you a liar or oblige you to do something you don't want to.

And I agree Bodisha, I think if a model was going to ask for a one-time fee for a date/sex/whatever she'd organise it outside of MFC if it was legit, because for one thing she'd get at least 30% more from avoiding MFC's cut.

 

[ComicOzzie]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

There is only one state, and that is limited to some counties, where prostitution is legal in the US. Nevada. No, it is not legal in Las Vegas or Reno. I think it is limited to counties in Nevada with less than 100,000 populations. Also, prostitutes do have recourse if a crime is committed against them. The police and legal system still protects them. Now if it is a client not paying them or something like that, then I do not think they have any recourse. But violence against them, sure.

Why wouldn't they have recourse if someone stiffed them for payment for service rendered? Just like if you went into a grocery store in the same county and walked out with an armload of turnips without paying. Since the law is at the county level, I'd assume that the Sheriff and his deputies would have jurisdiction.

Illegal contracts are unenforceable in court.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

There is only one state, and that is limited to some counties, where prostitution is legal in the US. Nevada. No, it is not legal in Las Vegas or Reno. I think it is limited to counties in Nevada with less than 100,000 populations. Also, prostitutes do have recourse if a crime is committed against them. The police and legal system still protects them. Now if it is a client not paying them or something like that, then I do not think they have any recourse. But violence against them, sure.

Why wouldn't they have recourse if someone stiffed them for payment for service rendered? Just like if you went into a grocery store in the same county and walked out with an armload of turnips without paying. Since the law is at the county level, I'd assume that the Sheriff and his deputies would have jurisdiction.

Illegal contracts are unenforceable in court.

I think talking about prostitution in legal areas is getting jumbled with talk of prostitution in areas where it is illegal.
In counties it is legal that business is covered to press charges if a customer tried to flee the brothel before paying, in an area where it is illegal an escort or pimp would have no grounds to go to the police station and press charges if a john ran off after services rendered without payment.
The law however will protect anyone from abuse or physical harm weather it was initiated by illegal sex work or not, the assault is still against the law. Only thing is that she might also get charged.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

And I agree Bodisha, I think if a model was going to ask for a one-time fee for a date/sex/whatever she'd organise it outside of MFC if it was legit, because for one thing she'd get at least 30% more from avoiding MFC's cut.

Unless she wanted the boost in camscore. When I did my first meet raffle we covered flights etc. It was not highly profitable but brought in large tips, which gave my camscore a nice boost at the time.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I have never met any of these fine fine sexy ladies from MFC ever. EVER

 

[Nordling]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

There is only one state, and that is limited to some counties, where prostitution is legal in the US. Nevada. No, it is not legal in Las Vegas or Reno. I think it is limited to counties in Nevada with less than 100,000 populations. Also, prostitutes do have recourse if a crime is committed against them. The police and legal system still protects them. Now if it is a client not paying them or something like that, then I do not think they have any recourse. But violence against them, sure.

Why wouldn't they have recourse if someone stiffed them for payment for service rendered? Just like if you went into a grocery store in the same county and walked out with an armload of turnips without paying. Since the law is at the county level, I'd assume that the Sheriff and his deputies would have jurisdiction.

Illegal contracts are unenforceable in court.

I think talking about prostitution in legal areas is getting jumbled with talk of prostitution in areas where it is illegal.
In counties it is legal that business is covered to press charges if a customer tried to flee the brothel before paying, in an area where it is illegal an escort or pimp would have no grounds to go to the police station and press charges if a john ran off after services rendered without payment.
The law however will protect anyone from abuse or physical harm weather it was initiated by illegal sex work or not, the assault is still against the law. Only thing is that she might also get charged.

Exactly. My post was referring to the part of his post (most of it) that was referring to places where it was legal. Re-reading it, I can see where it could be read either way... general or specific.

 

[Bocefish]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I was curious, so I Googled MFC escorts... Here's just a few escorts that advertise on MFC...

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/Xkaytiex

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http://profiles.myfreecams.com/Momma_Love3

Occupation/Major: Web Cam Model & Escort

http://profiles.myfreecams.com/ParisdivineNY
http://parisdivine.com/parisdivine.phtml

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

lol from one of those

Escort Pricing:
Hourly: $100
24 Hours: $600
ask me about it :]
Men! Women! Groups!
EMAIL ME ABOUT MY ESCORT SERVICES!!!
** I DO NOT ENGAGE IN ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH MY CLIENTS **

Holy crap http://www.blackpool-elite-escorts.com/ they should call themselves backpage escorts, it's like they gathered together four of the most unappealing looking people in adult "entertainment" and formed some sort of justice-league type team. Oh and there's attrocious spelling all over the site - "hight", really??

 

[blahblahblah]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I suspect the large majority if all of these raffles are fake.

First off there is zero way of verifying that the winner is legit. What's to stop the model from inventing a member's name and saying "Bob123 won the raffle" and then taking pics with her guy friend and saying that he is "Bob123"

Second the raffles that claim they will pay for flight and accommodation are impossible. For a flight within North America and say 3 days accomadation you are talking at least $1000. If the winner lives anywhere else it only goes up in price. I doubt a model would want to part with more than $1000, when they could just make up a story of who won.

BooBooKittyfk had several raffles where she would fuck the winner and record it, but no evidence of these dates ever appeared.

Finally, as most models are in their 20s-mid 30s would they really want to go on a date, and possibly fuck some awkward dude from the internet who is likely 50 years old?

 

[LailaBaise]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

lol from one of those

Escort Pricing:
Hourly: $100
24 Hours: $600
ask me about it :]
Men! Women! Groups!
EMAIL ME ABOUT MY ESCORT SERVICES!!!
** I DO NOT ENGAGE IN ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH MY CLIENTS **

Holy crap http://www.blackpool-elite-escorts.com/ they should call themselves backpage escorts, it's like they gathered together four of the most unappealing looking people in adult "entertainment" and formed some sort of justice-league type team. Oh and there's attrocious spelling all over the site - "hight", really??

That shit is so embarrasing it makes me shudder. Off topic, Malcolm ( http://www.blackpool-elite-escorts.com/malcom/ ) offers the girlfriend experience, maybe someone for MikeChicago to consider?

:lol:

 

[JoleneBrody]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I suspect the large majority if all of these raffles are fake.

First off there is zero way of verifying that the winner is legit. What's to stop the model from inventing a member's name and saying "Bob123 won the raffle" and then taking pics with her guy friend and saying that he is "Bob123"

Agreed, but i would assume the honest ones are won by members who are known in the room, Regulars.

Second the raffles that claim they will pay for flight and accommodation are impossible. For a flight within North America and say 3 days accomadation you are talking at least $1000. If the winner lives anywhere else it only goes up in price. I doubt a model would want to part with more than $1000, when they could just make up a story of who won.

I have spend 2500 dollars on raffle prizes in a month such as mugs, t shirts and ipods... If the raffle is bringing in the earnings like it's expected to I doubt the cost would be an issue. That's like saying the girls in top 20 are after the prize money. I see you're point of view but not all camgirls are money grubbing liars! Most of us put more than 1000 bucks into our business without a raffle every month!

BooBooKittyfk had several raffles where she would fuck the winner and record it, but no evidence of these dates ever appeared.

Finally, as most models are in their 20s-mid 30s would they really want to go on a date, and possibly fuck some awkward dude from the internet who is likely 50 years old?

Most escorts are mid 20's - 30's as well and except payment to dine with or fuck men much older than 50. not sure why this is different?
I'm not saying there aren't scammers out there but as we have seen in this thread here some very honest reputable girls have done "meet" raffles and followed through. and I'm sure many high scale escorts that use MFC follow through as well, their reputation depends on it.
Anywho, it all comes down to not tipping a model a stupid amount for raffle tickets if you do not know and trust her. Use your best judgement.

 

[Bocefish]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

This is at least the third time this raffle scam stuff has come up. Once it was proven that a model was scamming. Bottom line is if you don't think it's legit, then don't participate. Models that scam should be outed for their scamming ways IMO, but to paint all models with one brush is just plain wrong!

Caveat Emptor! :mrgreen:

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Second the raffles that claim they will pay for flight and accommodation are impossible. For a flight within North America and say 3 days accomadation you are talking at least $1000. If the winner lives anywhere else it only goes up in price. I doubt a model would want to part with more than $1000, when they could just make up a story of who won.

I have spend 2500 dollars on raffle prizes in a month such as mugs, t shirts and ipods... If the raffle is bringing in the earnings like it's expected to I doubt the cost would be an issue. That's like saying the girls in top 20 are after the prize money. I see you're point of view but not all camgirls are money grubbing liars! Most of us put more than 1000 bucks into our business without a raffle every month!

Agreed, but there's also inherent monetary risk - what if the winner is outside the model's country (I've seen several that state flights from anywhere in the world), and what if the raffle proceeds don't begin to cover the costs?
I saw one such raffle, tickets 200 tokens each and the model listed on her profile the entrants names and how many tickets each had bought. The proceeds of the tickets would have been around $1000 in her pocket, and since she was in Europe the airfare could cost a HELL of a lot more than that. She was a 2000ish camscore model, I seriously doubt she's going to go 5-7k in the red to honour such a raffle.

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

That shit is so embarrasing it makes me shudder. Off topic, Malcolm ( http://www.blackpool-elite-escorts.com/malcom/ ) offers the girlfriend experience, maybe someone for MikeChicago to consider?

:lol:

John (http://www.blackpool-elite-escorts.com/john/) also offers GFE :lol: these are the ELITES of blackpool!

 

[LailaBaise]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

That shit is so embarrasing it makes me shudder. Off topic, Malcolm ( http://www.blackpool-elite-escorts.com/malcom/ ) offers the girlfriend experience, maybe someone for MikeChicago to consider?

:lol:

John (http://www.blackpool-elite-escorts.com/john/) also offers GFE :lol: these are the ELITES of blackpool!

Yeah...it's Blackpool, they probably are! :lol:

Does he have dick sucking lips like Malcolm too?

Oh man, this will never get old! :lol: