Man Tricked Pregnant Girlfriend

[PlayboyMegan]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow ... 4718.story

He is facing nearly 14 years in prison. Do you think this was the right amount of time for the crime he committed? Why/why not?

 

[Sevrin]

14 years is a very long time, especially when you are 28. I think that's about right. He will come to regret what he did very much.

 

[zippypinhead]

Well, it is essentially poisoning her, right?

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Well, it is essentially poisoning her, right?

Not really. Women take the abortion pill all the time. It's relatively safe.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I think the time fits the crime.
I'm a poet and didn't know it.

 

[Rose]

I think he deserves to get snipped.....

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Dudes a scumbag. Would like a little longer of a sentence.

 

[Shaun__]

She wanted her baby, so I look at what he did as murdering a mothers child. I think he deserved his sentence.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Should have been longer. Much.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Dudes a scumbag. Would like a little longer of a sentence.

18years would have been a little ironic, considering that's how long a child is in your care for.
Yea, maybe a little longer would have been better.

 

[zippypinhead]

Well, it is essentially poisoning her, right?

Not really. Women take the abortion pill all the time. It's relatively safe.

But that wasn't an abortion pill. It wasn't a medicine prescribed to her, it wasn't administered under medical supervision or advice, and she wasn't prepared to take it. It clearly did her bodily harm, and it could well have put her life in danger.

To my mind, that's poisoning.

 

[krukstyle]

Without even touching upon the overarching issues at play here and just looking at this individual story...

Personally, I don't think 14 years is nearly long enough. What this dude did is so absolutely despicable and underhanded that I honestly believe he should spend the rest of his life in a cell.

1) He betrays/poisons this woman (who obviously trusts him enough to take said pills).

2) He kills an unborn infant/ends a pregnancy that the woman wanted at least based on this story was excited/positive about.

3) He takes actions that are totally immoral, ridiculous, slimy, and heinous.

Although a man's sperm are required to initiate a pregnancy, once said pregnancy has occurred--I feel that what happens from there is essentially unrelated/irrelevant to what the sperm provider desires. I can see this guy wanting nothing to do with the baby, the woman, or the pregnancy, and as irresponsible as "vacating the situation" would be--it is infinitely less vile than the manipulative actions that this guy took. Fourteen years is a joke. :sad4:

Edit: These weren't actually abortion pills that he gave her--they were just some random ulcer medication that was known to cause abortions. I really have no clue what said pills are capable of, but I certainly would consider it a poisoning.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

 

[yossarian]

Well, it is essentially poisoning her, right?

Not really. Women take the abortion pill all the time. It's relatively safe.

People take laxatives all the time too, but if you put them in your co-worker's brownies, it's considered poisoning them, in the eyes of the law. Anytime you give somebody a drug without their consent (and tricking them is the same as doing it without their consent), it's a crime. I think it would be an appropriate punishment.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Edit: These weren't actually abortion pills that he gave her--they were just some random ulcer medication that was known to cause abortions. I really have no clue what said pills are capable of, but I certainly would consider it a poisoning.

Ahhhh I must of misread it, thank you.

 

[zippypinhead]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

This isn't really a "men's rights" issue, though, is it? This is more of a "fuckbag went to great lengths to commit a heinous act" issue.

 

[Rose]

From what I've read and what my sister-in-law has told me about her experience, the abortion pill doesn't give you such a SIGNIFICANT chance of uterine rupture that could take your life quickly. If her uterus had ruptured, she'd have fairly slim chances of ever getting pregnant again, basically undergoing an involuntary sterilization.

If I had control over his sentencing, I'd try him for attempted murder (for giving her a pill that could have caused her to die) and homicide (for causing the fetus to die).

Re: men's rights. He should have NONE in this case. He lost his rights to anything when he acted like a fucking fucktarded fuckface.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

This isn't really a "men's rights" issue, though, is it? This is more of a "fuckbag went to great lengths to commit a heinous act" issue.

No, this particular case isn't. But I felt the question was related, indirectly.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

This isn't really a "men's rights" issue, though, is it? This is more of a "fuckbag went to great lengths to commit a heinous act" issue.

No, this particular case isn't. But I felt the question was related, indirectly.

I'm of the impression he DID have a say in the matter. He said 'okay' to putting his dick in her pussy.

If he didn't want a child he should have used a sock instead.

 

[krukstyle]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

Even if we could establish that it actually was "half his child, half his choice"--(which personally I don't agree with) this guy completely crossed the line by taking matters 100% into his hands, intentionally giving the woman pills to kill the fetus without her knowledge, and basically by acting like the scum of the earth. If he had just voiced his opinion that he thought that an abortion would be appropriate (and who knows he might've) that would be closer to the "half his choice" philosophy, but instead--he just straight up took the entire matter into his own hands without any concern for the pregnant woman--and now he's paying the price (a price that should be much higher).

 

[Shaun__]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

He had at least two choices I can think of. One was using a condom, and another was not having sex with fertile women. The baby is physically attached to the mother, and that makes it her choice in my mind.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Just so we know what we are talking about. Here.

The second medication, Cytotec® (misoprostol) is a commonly prescribed ulcer medication, and is a safe medication.

Cytotec® and Herbal abortions are less effective natural abortion methods. In many countries where abortion is illegal, Cytotec® or herbal abortions are the only option for women who need to end their pregnancies. The difficulties with these natural abortion methods are: 1) they can cause severe cramping, nausea, and heavy bleeding; 2) they have a low success rate (about 80% for Cytotec and 50% for herbal abortion).

http://www.earlyabortionoptions.com/abortion-information/natural-abortion/

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Men should have as much say in the matter as the woman. Well, maybe like a 60/40 split with the women getting the 60 but dudes should still have some say in the matter.

 

[KaterinaPryde]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

I am taking this question completely out of this particular situation.

I do not think a man should have a say in what happens to the child. It is in the mothers body. However, personally, I believe that if a man truely doesnt want a child he should be able to sign his rights away. A woman can choose to end the child, or give it away- I think a man should at least have a choice as well. Unfortunately, this would be abused by some men - so it is not something that would/could ever be put through. And before anyone says it - I know he had a choice to wear a condom or not have sex, but there are situations where condoms break - or the womans "birth control" fails.

 

[bawksy]

Do you think this was the right amount of time for the crime he committed? Why/why not?

Yeah, I mean, 14 years for a plea deal on a murder charge isn't terrible. There's nothing too out of the ordinary about that, other than it being a tad low for premeditated murder.

I think the real issue this whole scenario brings up is why the boyfriend was driven to do such a thing in the first place. I think it comes down to men not having a choice whatsoever once a girl is pregnant.

I don't think men should be able to force women to get abortions. Her body, her choice. I get it. But I do think we need to seriously reconsider how child support works in the 21st century. I'm not sure child support should be completely thrown out the window, as it does have its purpose. If a man tells his girlfriend that he is going to be a supportive father, and she decides to keep the baby based on this information, then he should rightfully be forced to contribute to the baby's care even if he changes his mind later. But if the father indicates right up front that he has absolutely no interest in providing for the child, and the mother chooses to have the baby anyways, then the mother alone should be financially responsible for the child. Her body, her choice? His wallet, his choice.


Some people might tell the father, "if you didn't want a baby, you shouldn't have had sex". If you can't use this argument for abortions, then you can't use it for child support. Men can be raped just like women, and men can be tricked into fathering a baby just as easily as a woman's contraception can be tampered with.


I think an ideal solution would be to default to no implied child support enforceable by law unless the father signs a written agreement in the first trimester of pregnancy promising to support the child. That way if the mother doesn't get a financial agreement from the father right up front, it's still in time for her to choose to abort the baby, if she wants to.

I know it's not perfect this way, but it's too problematic to flip it the other way. If men had to explicitly opt out of child support in the first trimester, then you'd just have women concealing their pregnancy until after the deadline.

 

[ScarletVixen]

I'm happy with the responses, but surprised no one has a different opinion. Does anyone here think a man should have a say in what happens to the unborn fetus? Half his child, half his choice???

This isn't really a "men's rights" issue, though, is it? This is more of a "fuckbag went to great lengths to commit a heinous act" issue.

No, this particular case isn't. But I felt the question was related, indirectly.

I'm of the impression he DID have a say in the matter. He said 'okay' to putting his dick in her pussy.

If he didn't want a child he should have used a sock instead.

I agree with that. Nobody made him risk having a child and he could have made a huge difference by taking some extra initiative if he felt so strongly about not having children. Some people use a combo of both BC-pills and condoms just to be extra-safe. You never know what can happen in some cases.

Somehow I don't think the pregnancy was one of those "Oh my god, this is IMPOSSIBLE, we were so safe about everything! We took EVERY precaution!" pregnancies. I could be wrong, but his actions afterwards don't strike me as him being a very intelligent person.

Didn't the article say that the womans father was a DOCTOR? Poisoning someone with a close relative in the medical field...not a smart move.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Didn't the article say that the womans father was a DOCTOR? .

I thought the guys father was the doctor??
Edit: yea, it was the guy who's father was the dr.
"On the day after Welden ordered the pills by forging his father's signature, he accompanied to R.L. to an appointment at his father's practice to confirm the pregnancy."

 

[Sevrin]

Didn't the article say that the womans father was a DOCTOR? Poisoning someone with a close relative in the medical field...not a smart move.

His father is an OB-GYN.

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Edit: These weren't actually abortion pills that he gave her--they were just some random ulcer medication that was known to cause abortions. I really have no clue what said pills are capable of, but I certainly would consider it a poisoning.

Ahhhh I must of misread it, thank you.

Actually, it's the same drug. Misoprostol is perscribed for both ulcers AND abortions. If you weren't pregnant and have no ulcers, it wouldn't actually do anything harmful to you.

Speaking from experience!

 

[Jessi]

Forcibly terminating a woman's pregnancy against her will is just as bad as forcing her to continue one she never wanted.
He violated her bodily autonomy and gave her drugs without her consent. Its at the very least a physical assault. Should get longer imo.