Male cam model on Chaturbate banned

[LusciousLiam]

I was for about 6 months consistently camming each day on chaturbate.
All of a sudden I was banned due to "looking too young" and could do nothing but send heaps of emails to support which they eventually started ignoring.

Fast forward to today I have been unbanned, created a new account but my ID has been called a "duplicate"

Where can I get in contact with someone who can help?

 

[Gen]

Chaturbate has a representative who posts here, her name is @punker barbie -- hopefully she'll see this thread.

This unfortunately happens a lot, I'm sorry that it's happening to you.

 

[LusciousLiam]

Is there anything I could do to stop it happening again if I get my account back?

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

I really wish CB would make some sort of official statement on this specific issue.

It sounds from the outside as though CB has more faith in the random possibly spite-based 'report user as underage' alerts than they do in their own staff who vet the legitimacy of IDs which prove despite youthful appearances a person is indeed old enough to be earning on their site.

but what is actually going on? why is it they seem to hold their own standards in such low esteem that mere conjecture submitted with no evidence seems to be enough for them to take action contradicting their previous action (i.e., retracting a belief that the person has shown themselves to be old enough).

Why isn't the standard 'our processes are rigorous until proven guilty of missing an instance of fraud'?

I can only guess it's a liability thing (the slower you act to stop it, the worse it would be for you in court)...but does that mean they're not actually doing their due diligence in the first place to ensure they're not paying children for sex work? That's the only reason I can imagine for a kind of immediate damage control response at the mere allegation of an underaged model.

what is the inside scoop? what does actually happen before an age ban? Because, as I say, the popular perception seems to be 'ban first, ask questions later if the model decides the ask why they were banned', If bans are actually being based on something, what is that? and why are so maybe bans retracted if they're not done baselessly?

- how are underage claims first responded to? (I would assume that many require no action, it can't be that they just run around banning everyone knowing full well they're going to get a ton of support emails about it if they do)
- what needs to be determined by staff in order to institute the ban?
- if a ban is undone (as it sounds like it frequently is), what does that mean the staff has gotten wrong?

 

[SaffronBurke]

Is there anything I could do to stop it happening again if I get my account back?

The only way to stop it is to change sites. It's such a chronic problem on Chaturbate, it's astonishing they have any models left.

 

[LusciousLiam]

no other sites are worth going to though in my experience

 

[ExcellaExe]

no other sites are worth going to though in my experience

There's Streammate? They allow male models, if I remember correctly. There are still options if you'd rather change sites. But, agreed. Get in contact with Shirley.

 

[LusciousLiam]

That's what I've been trying to do but she hasn't responded yet

All the other sites make customers pay upfront which none of them want to do and Chaturbate is the only service out there that is free and works well I think.

I can get up to 500 people in my room on Chaturbate but anywhere else nothing

 

[Lorelei]

That's what I've been trying to do but she hasn't responded yet

All the other sites make customers pay upfront which none of them want to do and Chaturbate is the only service out there that is free and works well I think.

I can get up to 500 people in my room on Chaturbate but anywhere else nothing

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but are you an exhibitionist who is performing for free or are you being paid tokens in exchange for a show? If you are performing for free, CB is less likely to prioritize helping you with this issue.

 

[punker barbie]

This is a trying time for everyone who works in adult live cams, as there are all kinds of people very happy to search every cam site and report those that they feel are underage, regardless of the validity of the claim.

When a report is made, Chaturbate has a team of people that check the ID for validity, watch the cam(s) of the person in question and they look at still photos associated with that user name. Then a group decision is made on whether the broadcaster "looks too young" according to the laws and details associated with the 18 USC section 2257 concerning adult performers (this includes images such as a woman wearing pigtails and playing with stuffed animals, if you can imagine.... ) In some cases, the decision is that the broadcaster does appear to be too young, regardless of the ID stating otherwise.

So basically if they didn't look at least 18 years old to someone that reported the broadcaster or the majority of Chaturbate's review team--even if a broadcaster provided ID proving they are 50 years of age--we would still have to lock their account

Thank you for understanding!

 

[LusciousLiam]

So basically I made the company Chaturbate a lot of money and now I'm just left in the dirt.

I feel badly done by and would very much appreciate it if this problem was resolved and I could resume camming

 

[Violet Dawn]

Welcome to the club. A lot of top models have been banned too.

 

[lady_lara_]

right Luba Belle no matter if male or female, they bann alot actually

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

So basically if they didn't look at least 18 years old to someone that reported the broadcaster or the majority of Chaturbate's review team--even if a broadcaster provided ID proving they are 50 years of age--we would still have to lock their account

Thank you for understanding!

really appreciate the insight, Punker

that's kinda a brutal policy ... one of the cool things about camming is, well, you do your lighting and make-up and hair and what have you, and you can shave a few years off your look (we've all heard of models like Emily18 and Little Caprice who make bank on the pretense of being much younger than their mid-twenties). it seems a little sad for all involved that camsites have to take such a hard line (as though it's age-play or something) against models who might fulfill that niche, and members willing to pay for it (and pay for legit 2257 models on a camsite instead of possibly underage porn elsewhere) have to go elsewhere.

have there been successful appeals to the process before? additional ID/birth certificate/etc. to prove age, or even skyping or something to see if off-cam the model looks more their age? (After all, their on-cam persona might be quite different, so not the best thing to judge on)

it's just of particular fascination to me as a 20-something male who has worked with 16-year-old boys who can grow a better beard than me

 

[JoleneBrody]

it's just of particular fascination to me as a 20-something male who has worked with 16-year-old boys who can grow a better beard than me

I'm assuming you mean non-adult work.

 

[Gen]

This is a trying time for everyone who works in adult live cams, as there are all kinds of people very happy to search every cam site and report those that they feel are underage, regardless of the validity of the claim.

When a report is made, Chaturbate has a team of people that check the ID for validity, watch the cam(s) of the person in question and they look at still photos associated with that user name. Then a group decision is made on whether the broadcaster "looks too young" according to the laws and details associated with the 18 USC section 2257 concerning adult performers (this includes images such as a woman wearing pigtails and playing with stuffed animals, if you can imagine.... ) In some cases, the decision is that the broadcaster does appear to be too young, regardless of the ID stating otherwise.

So basically if they didn't look at least 18 years old to someone that reported the broadcaster or the majority of Chaturbate's review team--even if a broadcaster provided ID proving they are 50 years of age--we would still have to lock their account

Thank you for understanding!

@punker barbie

If this is so trying for everyone, why is it only Chaturbate that has constant complaints of banning [without pay]? I'm hard pressed to believe that MFC or Streamate are flooded with underage teens that look 25+ who just managed to sneak in somehow; rather it seems like CB just sucks at managing reports about primarily adult streamers and would rather ban now, ignore later.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

I'm assuming you mean non-adult work.

LOL yes.

 

[snowwolf87]

This is a trying time for everyone who works in adult live cams, as there are all kinds of people very happy to search every cam site and report those that they feel are underage, regardless of the validity of the claim.

When a report is made, Chaturbate has a team of people that check the ID for validity, watch the cam(s) of the person in question and they look at still photos associated with that user name. Then a group decision is made on whether the broadcaster "looks too young" according to the laws and details associated with the 18 USC section 2257 concerning adult performers (this includes images such as a woman wearing pigtails and playing with stuffed animals, if you can imagine.... ) In some cases, the decision is that the broadcaster does appear to be too young, regardless of the ID stating otherwise.

So basically if they didn't look at least 18 years old to someone that reported the broadcaster or the majority of Chaturbate's review team--even if a broadcaster provided ID proving they are 50 years of age--we would still have to lock their account

Thank you for understanding!

This makes no sense at all. The team should be verifying that the person on cam is the person in the ID and maybe that the ID is valid (although that should have been done when the ID was accepted). Looks should have no bearing on the matter.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

This makes no sense at all. The team should be verifying that the person on cam is the person in the ID and maybe that the ID is valid (although that should have been done when the ID was accepted). Looks should have no bearing on the matter.

I definitely agree 'that's how it should be', but like she said... apparently the legislation as it is even sticks its nose into things like whether or not you have pigtails... maybe they're just being over-careful? individual models with their own single-model websites have seemingly no issues with this legal issue, but for a big site concerned with loads of models, I guess they're not too worried about fighting for the right for an 18 year old here and there to look like a 15 year old.

 

[snowwolf87]

I definitely agree 'that's how it should be', but like she said... apparently the legislation as it is even sticks its nose into things like whether or not you have pigtails... maybe they're just being over-careful? individual models with their own single-model websites have seemingly no issues with this legal issue, but for a big site concerned with loads of models, I guess they're not too worried about fighting for the right for an 18 year old here and there to look like a 15 year old.

You make a good point, so I looked it up (yay for the internet). The legislation is all about keeping records and IDs and such. Nothing about appearances:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257

 

[snowwolf87]

You make a good point, so I looked it up (yay for the internet). The legislation is all about keeping records and IDs and such. Nothing about appearances:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257

OK, I dug further and found the actual law on a government site:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/USCODE-2010-title18/USCODE-2010-title18-partI-chap110-sec2257A

Under section 2252A it says:

(3) knowingly—
(A) reproduces any child pornography for distribution through the mails, or using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer; or
(B) advertises, promotes, presents, distributes, or solicits through the mails, or using any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce or in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief, or that is intended to cause another to believe, that the material or purported material is, or contains—
(i) an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(ii) a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

section (B) could possibly be the part of the law they use to justify the bannings.

 

[LusciousLiam]

So what other cam sites would you guys recommend for a guy?

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

So what other cam sites would you guys recommend for a guy?

dunno eh (but posting to bump the thread for ya )
there aren't many guy cammers on this forum, so you might need to ask elsewhere.
personally I've thought about using another site just to experiment with things, but when I explored the models rooms it looked so boring and no indication of them making any money that I couldn't convince myself I'd have the patience to make it work.
but since you have no choice now, you might as well just try them all (I've only heard of like 3 or so guys can use... streamate, camsoda, and flirt4free)

 

[SavannahMay]

Bongacams, Cam4

 

[punker barbie]

Everyone at Chaturbate does understand that it may appear like we impose bans on a whim, but I assure you that is not the case. Before anyone is banned based on their looks, the steps I noted are done and usually long before the actual ban is enacted. So when the model is notified, it's only after the report is made and the stream and associated photos are reviewed--and that isn't just done once!

I understand the frustration of any of our broadcasters that find themselves in this situation--really, everyone at Chaturbate does understand and we don't take these steps lightly. I do ask that everyone please remember that if Chaturbate did not take the steps necessary to conform to the entire 18 U.S.C. 2257 edict (especially section A, which @snowwolf87 was kind enough to post and which plays a big part in these types of decisions), there would be no Chaturbate for our broadcasters to cam on now or to cam on in the future. This is not just a business decision that we make lightly or for only our company's good, it's one we make for the thousands of other broadcasters who also use our site.

I'm sorry, but regarding the comment that most broadcasters that Chaturbate has age verified but later have their accounts locked for looking underage are not paid--that is false. Those discussions take place out of the public eye, in forum DMs or by email from me or customer service and noone will likely ever see the actual results on cam forums, because noone seems to feel the need to post outcomes when they are happy with the result.

 

[Gen]

I appreciate the follow up, @punker barbie , and I put "without pay" in brackets since it seems to happen both ways (according only to the posters) and tbh the banning is the part that I was mostly curious about.

Still curious why it's only Chaturbate that seems to have this issue. Is CB the only one with a prominent report button?

 

[Guy]

Is CB the only one with a prominent report button?

Camsoda just adopted a report abuse button. MFC and Streamate dont have it.

 

[Gen]

Camsoda just adopted a report abuse button. MFC and Streamate dont have it.

Thanks, that's what I was thinking!

 

[Guy]

Thanks, that's what I was thinking!

On Chaturbate guests can use that button.

 

[weirdbr]

Camsoda just adopted a report abuse button. MFC and Streamate dont have it.

Not that having a button makes that much difference since all sites have a way to report abuse as required by the law. Now, CB might be under additional scrutiny (and be more likely to jump the gun) since they allow unverified people to stream as 'exhibitionists'.. I wouldn't be surprised if they get a lot more scrutiny and fake reports because of that.