From my experience, whales usually just pay and fuck off until they come back for another show. Very rarey do they get clingly or be captain save-a-ho... Let alone want to meet up.
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Had a guy tip me about $40K within a few months waaaaaaaaaay back when there were a lot less rooms to choose from. I planned an entire motorcycle trip for him, advised birthday gifts for wife/family members based on what he told me about them, and when he got to the US for the trip he absolutely understood we would never meet but he would "wave" as he drove by my city.
The site started to grow exponentially, every day there were 20 to 100 new people and with that came more viewers. He was shutting other people out and slowing my growth as a model -- anyone new who came in was intimidated by him and I couldn't articulate it well enough to make the other users see that he was showing off and their tips mattered too. I think sometimes men see the transaction and only the transaction. He did X, she did Y. I can't do X so she won't do Y.
No. But I'm not opposed to the concept, if people choose it. The conversation was about certain guys ("whales") spending huge amounts of money over long periods. Whenever big money is involved, everyone has a price. So I wondered if that was part of the "whale" motivation. But the article by the model I put above and a couple of the comments say most aren't looking for meeting in real life. I was curious what others say.
Well, I'm going to have to call that window dressing. I say this because there are posts in this forum where people mention how they met up with a model after developing something online (or even married). Second, it's common knowledge that sites have those rules only for their own liabiity. Once models and members are talking someplace outside the camsite, it seems like anything goes. Last reason I say this: A model I've spent a few months talking with regularly tells me that she gets asked about meeting frequently, and so do the models she knows. She also told me that in her city (in a former Soviet place), guys have come from all over to visit models from her studio. She said she hasn't done it, and it's not discussed overtly, but it's a known thing. So I really don't buy the notion that "camsties are not dating sites." Maybe dating is the wrong word.
Different people have different intentions and different motivations for doing what they do. Crazy notion, right?
And idk, feeling the need to overanalyze the spending habits of total strangers so you can try proving that they’re egotistical or trying to be an alpha reeks of insecurity.
And idk, feeling the need to overanalyze the spending habits of total strangers so you can try proving that they’re egotistical or trying to be an alpha reeks of insecurity.
Anything a member thinks will impress a model is likely to show up in a lot of usernames. Size of manhood, size of bank account, name of random career that pays well, the word whale… pretty much anything they wish they were, in order to play big shot on the internet.
Fair to assume that most descriptive words in cam site usernames are bullshit.
Agree. Seems pretty beta energy to care how grown adults spend money for their own entertainment.
Yup. Those members usually get ignored until they pay up.
MarieElise
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- Dec 19, 2019
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- @EliMarie717
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- EliMarie
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- MarieElise
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- https://www.manyvids.com/Profile/328205/EliMarie717/
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- https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/92217/marie717
Who's trying to prove anything about anyone? I just asked for thoughts in the "ask-a-model" section. Is this topic ("whales") some kind of taboo... like...we dare not speak of it because they give money or something? Seems like people ask all kinds of things here and make all sorts of comments, from what I've read so far on the forum. (*And the comment about their egos came from other models, BTW)
MarieElise
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- Dec 19, 2019
- 9,774
- 17,655
- 161
- Twitter Username
- @EliMarie717
- MFC Username
- EliMarie
- Streamate Username
- MarieElise
- ManyVids URL
- https://www.manyvids.com/Profile/328205/EliMarie717/
- Clips4Sale URL
- https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/92217/marie717
For the record my comment about egos went directly to the OP, and how he read to me. As I stated, at the time. It was not in any way directed toward whales, and OP does not sound like a whale in the slightest Per my original comment to this Raven guy.
ETA; Who, perhaps, is showing a strong propensity at this point, to read stuff into things which are not there. A+ for balls, tenacity and imagination though.
Per my original comment to this Raven guy.ETA; Who, perhaps, is showing a strong propensity at this point, to read stuff into things which are not there. A+ for balls, tenacity and imagination though.
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And we are giving our thoughts in response. No whales arent a taboo topic. You are just giving it too much thought than what it is. Its just a term for big spenders/sales.
Sure there are posts here about people meeting, some of them might even be true. I suspect many are the delusional ramblings of guys looking for attention or looking to feed their delusion. Percentage-wise however there are very few posts about meetups
Of course models get asked about it often. It doesn't mean the meetups *happen* often. Think about it; it is not exactly a safe thing for a model to arrange a meetup with a complete stranger from the internet, is it? To be honest nor is it exactly safe or smart for a user to arrange a meetup with what is in actuality a complete stranger from the internet (a model).
You seem to be extrapolating the words of one model from one studio to be the norm for all (or the majority) models. Far more useful to count the number of posts here *from models* saying meeting in real life is the last thing on their minds and compare them to the number saying that they have met up with a user.
You, obviously. You’ve made multiple posts now essentially saying the same thing and asking the same questions, which you then go on to answer yourself based off an article you read or a conversation you had with a model.
Why do you care so much about the motivations behind why strangers on the internet spend their money the way they do?
Just because you don’t understand why someone would spend large amounts of money on a model without the expectation of meeting doesn’t mean that others don’t think differently. Also, it’s not always an ego thing. There’s guys who tip huge amounts as ninja tips, because they don’t want anyone else seeing how much they tip. Men giving large amounts of money to women they find attractive or like in some way isn’t exactly a new phenomenon and it also isn’t exclusive to camming or sex work. I had men literally just give me money (not as a tip for a drink or anything like that) when I was a bartender. I once mentioned to a customer where I would be drinking after I got off work and he stopped in there and gave me a few hundred dollars and ordered food delivery from another bar for me, my coworker/boyfriend and another coworker simply because he wanted to. Dude didn’t have any sort of expectations, and it also wasn’t about ego. That wasn’t the only time something like that happened. There’s wealthy, and not even always wealthy, men who just like giving money to women.
Like I said before, different people have different motivations for why they do things. Trying to pin one motivation to a large group of individuals like that is ridiculous, which is what you’re seemingly trying to do.
I agree. I was going on the words of one model, from one studio. Also, it's Russia and I think I've read that things are a little different in Russia and some eastern European countries. Needless to say, this model makes it sound like its not unusual. Some will work as escorts, for others, it is only a model dating a guy that started out as a member. Maybe it's a rogue studio. Or maybe they have a different view on it where she lives. It was useful to hear what's said here, because until this point, I admit, I got the idea that this was normal practice in the cam model business.
My friend works in a Russian studio. I once tried to give her my Telegram name and she freaked out, telling me the studio would fine her.
Our PM's are routinely monitored. She is not allowed to talk about her location. At all. I only know because she told me once in a cryptic manner using a past conversation.
We kind of talk in code.
Studios like hers are illegal in Russia. She risks fines and possibly imprisonment if the location of her studio was found out and raided by the authorities.
On top of that, societal views on camming in Russia are much more disapproving than they are in the West.
While her studio is strict and primarily concerned with their financial survival, they do care about the models' well-being. (Or at least her studio seems to).
I can assure you, that models are not at all actively encouraged to "meet up" with members, in fact, the opposite is true. Meeting is pretty much forbidden.
Not only would trying to meet a model in Russia be frowned upon if found out but you would also likely be arrested.
I am by no means an expert but after extensive conversations with my friend, I can say that some of the ideas about Russian cam models in this thread are very, very incorrect.
Our PM's are routinely monitored. She is not allowed to talk about her location. At all. I only know because she told me once in a cryptic manner using a past conversation.
We kind of talk in code.
Studios like hers are illegal in Russia. She risks fines and possibly imprisonment if the location of her studio was found out and raided by the authorities.
On top of that, societal views on camming in Russia are much more disapproving than they are in the West.
While her studio is strict and primarily concerned with their financial survival, they do care about the models' well-being. (Or at least her studio seems to).
I can assure you, that models are not at all actively encouraged to "meet up" with members, in fact, the opposite is true. Meeting is pretty much forbidden.
Not only would trying to meet a model in Russia be frowned upon if found out but you would also likely be arrested.
I am by no means an expert but after extensive conversations with my friend, I can say that some of the ideas about Russian cam models in this thread are very, very incorrect.
Interesting point of views coming in here. I understand a bunch of guys (like everyone else) are pre-primmed to assume why a model would be on cam. As you say, race and country of origin and at times age base those assumptions. Out of experience, I have seen men assume I must be having a pimp who set me up on cam or that am homeless, or that I need to support my poor relatives back home, the list is long
. Mind you I live in a so called developed country. It is up to you to let rationality come in when you interact with a model. Don't just define them in your terms.I think you somehow have a point about challenge in separating business and relationship (as a model I have experienced it). It is natural that interacting with people when streaming at times gets personal. I don`t know if other models are that good or am just bad that I sometimes get entangled in sorts of "relationships". I do enjoy it and at the end I have learnt how to talk through with my guys to keep it going with both getting the best out of it.
Cam sites are for you ONLY IF you have self control once you "fall in love" with your favourite models. Otherwise it gonna be a costly and a draining affair. Worst if your model doesn`t understand you and your feelings.
Some studios do not allow contact outside of the cam sites regardless of the country the studio is in. They aren't worried the model is going to add you to telegram and reveal their location......care about the models well being!? Nothing screws a model over harder than forbidding all social media as they have no way to take their followers with them.
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Yes some cam sites do not allow members to exchange contact details, and ask performers to report members who insist on providing phone numbers, email addresses, social media accounts.
I hear what you're saying. I agree men can do this for different reasons. It could be for an ego boost, it could be to build a relationship, it could be charity (help someone in need); it could be to simply enjoy seeing someone else's happiness about receiving a gift. Just a personal opinion with no proof, I think most of the time it's either ego, trying to impress, or trying to feel good about oneself. I don't believe in altruism. I'm an asshole I guess.
This is really interesting but can you explain more what you mean? You mean the lines get blurry or something like that, where there's feelings involved? Okay, what do you mean talk through with guys to keep it going and everyone get the best out of it? I understand keeping it going, but how do you then prevent it from becoming more and more serious (from either the guy or you)? I assume as a model, you are in control of the situation pretty well but with so many different types of guys, what if it drifts into someone truly being in love, or the guy is going over the line in some way?
This is really interesting and different view from a model in same country. To be clear, the model I mentioned isn't saying that prostitution or other "real life" relationships with the members is rampant. She just said it goes on with a decent number of them, but it's not overtly discussed. She joked that they all notice the girls who aren't even big earners at the job, but go off on a trip out of town and come back with a $4,000 designer handbag or expensive jewelry. Also, she said more than one model has met and married a customer. Maybe her studio is more shady or on the edge, I don't know.
I mean it like that. Mostly it is from guys since I have learnt to wear my armour to shield my irrational being (I see feelings as irrational). And it is from few since most understand the nature of relation expected on a cam site. Keeping it going in the sense that the feelings part is discussed and I let the guy understand it cant get more than an online fling. My best tool is that these guys can only contact me on that site no other place even on internet. This first of all filters the jealous over-protective type. It isn't difficult.
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