Library camgirl busted

[JimsX]

Prism, have you reviewed this thread? There was a child on camera, talking to a cam girl, during one of these library shows. So, yes, you can bet the FBI is going to investigate. I’m still trying to figure out why so many people on this forum seem to think there’s no consequences for anything they say or do. I’ve mentioned little things, like the fact that on any properly run forum, people would receive warnings for things like making posts containing nothing but smileys, or making posts just to tell someone else “Great post!” Then there’s the irony that quite a few cam girls, whose livelihoods depend upon their social skills and reputations, seem to be completely tone deaf (to put it mildly), and have no hesitation about trolling the members who collectively pay their salaries. But what I find most troubling, is this naive belief that cam girls can’t be held responsible for the behavior of the members in their chat rooms. It’s been repeatedly and widely remarked that MFC is extremely lax in terms of policing the chat rooms of cam girls. Seems to me that right there would be a huge red flag that a cam girl should have an attorney go through their contract with MFC with a fine tooth comb. There’s no such thing as free speech when it comes to pedophilia. As I started to say once before, in most contexts you’d be lucky if the only thing that happened was that you received a perma-ban. In this area, it’s not uncommon for forum admins to collect IP addresses and evidence and forward them to investigative organizations.

Every single person on this forum agrees regarding the child on cam. That "model" fucked up and needs to be held accountable. You will find no argument here.

The FBI was brought in (apparently) when this was all about Katsummi. My understanding was this Juju person was horrified that an adult on an adult site looks young (but is 18). There is no crime there. Kat is of legal age.

Again, I don't think you will find anyone arguing about the chat in her room that day. Personally I feel MFC should permaban all those guys. I also think Kat should have banned them from her room. But she didn't and here we are. At first I thought she took part in that conversation, but it now looks like she did not.

 

[Teagan]

Lol. You really have no clue do you?

No one is defending any girl who had a child on cam. In fact I believe quiet a few spoke against it. It's not okay. Ever. No one has said it is. No one has said she could keep her MFC job. No one has said it was a good idea. She was in the wrong and MFC acted accordingly. End of story.

Trying to act like this isn't a properly run forum cause you didn't like my response to your post isn't helping your case either. Grow up. We are a very friendly open forum and smileys and "great post" posts are a norm. We have entire threads devoted to GIFs and cats for christs sake. If you don't like it go elsewhere.

It's not us trolling you. It's fun ! And just cause someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you're being trolled either. We just don't agree with you. Plain and simple. My social skills and reputation are just fine thank you. As are the other girls here who don't agree with you either.

Im not even gonna comment on the rest cause again your arguments are invalid and inane to say the least. Not to mention just wrong. I wish you the best on finding a new "proper" forum on this beautiful Thursday afternoon. Good day sir.

 

[TacoBelle]

How Amber runs the forum or how camgirls interact with members here doesn't really have anything to do with any of that? I'm not sure what you're getting at with that part.

Gen, haven't you figured it out already? He's yet another guy who comes to the forum, and then spends at least 25% of his posts explaining how camgirls are vile, empty-headed, vapid creatures. Even when it doesn't really apply to the topic. It's similar to when (most) women fight with a man and will bring up numerous other subjects instead of just the one they're discussing. (I'm guilty about that too)

If I'm wrong here, Prism, I apologize. But that's how it's starting to seem. As for responding with smilies/gifs/thanks, we sometimes do that to show solidarity in a way of thinking. Instead of just saying, "Yes, I agree with everything X said," we try to make it a little more fun and positive. Whereas if we were to say nothing, the poster might believe that they were the only person who felt that way.

 

[PRISM]

I was posting in response to the guy that is on the rampage about what katsumi allowed in her room. I don't see why a site admin should be ratting people out for jokes, when all it will do is cause FBI resources to be wasted when they could be spent on actual criminal investigations.

 

[Teagan]

How Amber runs the forum or how camgirls interact with members here doesn't really have anything to do with any of that? I'm not sure what you're getting at with that part.

Gen, haven't you figured it out already? He's yet another guy who comes to the forum, and then spends at least 25% of his posts explaining how camgirls are vile, empty-headed, vapid creatures. Even when it doesn't really apply to the topic. It's similar to when (most) women fight with a man and will bring up numerous other subjects instead of just the one they're discussing. (I'm guilty about that too)

If I'm wrong here, Prism, I apologize. But that's how it's starting to seem. As for responding with smilies/gifs/thanks, we sometimes do that to show solidarity in a way of thinking. Instead of just saying, "Yes, I agree with everything X said," we try to make it a little more fun and positive. Whereas if we were to say nothing, the poster might believe that they were the only person who felt that way.

Hmm makes sense. We dont agree with every thing he says so he's just gonna try to attack us and how things are run and pout about it. "You responded in smilies and that's not proper! :crybaby: "

I dont have to agree with someone here to respect their opinion but that opinion has to at least be valid or factual or something even relevant. Fuck i'd take just on topic at this point.

 

[TacoBelle]

Sorry, I meant Azharan in my last post. Too late to edit.

 

[ItsBillyBitch]

Am I the only one whose brain yells "fuck yeah! I love Alexandra Cole!" while reading her posts? Every time.

No...I can assure you that you not only one.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I was posting in response to the guy that is on the rampage about what katsumi allowed in her room. I don't see why a site admin should be ratting people out for jokes, when all it will do is cause FBI resources to be wasted when they could be spent on actual criminal investigations.

This is what bothers me the most. I am so confused as to why grown adults capable of critical thinking are making a hoopla about a joke when there are actual crimes and actual pedophilia happening in the world. Resources aren't unlimited and it is so selfish of juju to waste them for her own benefit.

 

[ItsBillyBitch]

The one model that I feel bad for in all of this is lilsecrett. Kat and Kendra are doing just fine, Kat is a top ten model on MFC and she’s as tough as they come. Kendra is about to cash in on all the publicity and will likely only receive a slap on the wrist from the legal system for her “crime”.

What happened with lilsecrett in the library was clearly accidental. Yes, she could have taken better precautions but she never thought a minor child would appear on her cam feed.

Not only was she banned from MFC but she has been put on “full blast” and the screen caps and video have been spread as far and wide as possible, thanks to some bitter former MFC models and members.

Has anybody even tried to reach out to lilsecrett to see how’s she is doing? I’m a softy at heart so excuse my compassion.

PS Is Amber on vacation? She never lets threads get this far.

 

[KayleePond]

PS Is Amber on vacation? She never lets threads get this far.

Nothing is really out of hand here, it's just a discussion about this issue so I don't really see why she'd lock it, especially since she rarely locks threads!

 

[PRISM]

How much trouble can lilsecrett get into over it?

 

[ramblin]

How much trouble can lilsecrett get into over it?

Worst case she can be required to register as a sex offender and publicly update that list any time she moves. This can deny her the ability to live or loiter near primary and secondary schools and essentially eliminate the possibility of future education outside of community college and employment anywhere that requires a background check. She also might get a fine.

Some judges / juries / jurisdictions limit sex offender registration to the most serious crimes, others will require it for urinating in an alleyway if someone happens to walk by.

I don't think what she did was right, but I hope that the authorities are measured in their response and don't make her register.

edit: fortunately, in her case at a state level the records are only public for predatory or violent offenses.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

The one model that I feel bad for in all of this is lilsecrett. Kat and Kendra are doing just fine, Kat is a top ten model on MFC and she’s as tough as they come. Kendra is about to cash in on all the publicity and will likely only receive a slap on the wrist from the legal system for her “crime”.

What happened with lilsecrett in the library was clearly accidental. Yes, she could have taken better precautions but she never thought a minor child would appear on her cam feed.

Not only was she banned from MFC but she has been put on “full blast” and the screen caps and video have been spread as far and wide as possible, thanks to some bitter former MFC models and members.

Has anybody even tried to reach out to lilsecrett to see how’s she is doing? I’m a softy at heart so excuse my compassion.

PS Is Amber on vacation? She never lets threads get this far.

I don't really understand this. If any of those girls deserve to be in trouble, I would say lilsecrett is the first. Yeah, it was an accident that kids came onto her feed but that doesn't mean that it is acceptable. I personally feel that if you are going to do a public show you should expect that something like this is going to happen eventually. Especially somewhere like a public library where kids are all the time. Plus, there were multiple times she could have shut her feed off when she realized the kids were around. It sucks it happened and that she is now "put on full blast" but she kind of set herself up for it.

To answer Prism's question, she can definitely be put on the registered sex offender's list and to be 100% honest, I will be pretty surprised if she doesn't. Porn site + kids in the background? Yeah, people really don't like that.

 

[PRISM]

So is MFC really a porn site? I've heard alot of members and models don't like referring to MFC as a porn site.

 

[ramblin]

Especially somewhere like a public library where kids are all the time.

As I understand it, it was a college library. (American college = post-secondary = you'd have to be very gifted to enroll before age 17). Finding kids other than the occasional 17 year old freshman in my local college libraries is quite rare, generally frowned upon, and forbidden without an escort. Couples using the quieter sections of the library as a place to sneak in a quickie isn't uncommon.

Not excusing the choice of venue, and certainly not the inclusion of anyone without their consent, but she wasn't filming in a public or children's library.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

So is MFC really a porn site? I've heard alot of members and models don't like referring to MFC as a porn site.

Here is the definition of pornography:

Pornography
: movies, pictures, magazines, etc., that show or describe naked people or sex in a very open and direct way in order to cause sexual excitement

If the primary thing you see on a site is naked women and sexual acts, yes I consider it porn.

Especially somewhere like a public library where kids are all the time.

As I understand it, it was a college library. (American college = post-secondary = you'd have to be very gifted to enroll before age 17). Finding kids other than the occasional 17 year old freshman in my local college libraries is quite rare, generally frowned upon, and forbidden without an escort. Couples using the quieter sections of the library as a place to sneak in a quickie isn't uncommon.

Not excusing the choice of venue, and certainly not the inclusion of anyone without their consent, but she wasn't filming in a public or children's library.

I have heard that it was a public library that lilsecrett was in. The other girl I know was in a University library. I could be wrong about lilsecrett. But there were still obviously children there and as soon as she realized they were around, she should have shut off her feed.

 

[ramblin]

Especially somewhere like a public library where kids are all the time.

As I understand it, it was a college library. (American college = post-secondary = you'd have to be very gifted to enroll before age 17). Finding kids other than the occasional 17 year old freshman in my local college libraries is quite rare, generally frowned upon, and forbidden without an escort. Couples using the quieter sections of the library as a place to sneak in a quickie isn't uncommon.

Not excusing the choice of venue, and certainly not the inclusion of anyone without their consent, but she wasn't filming in a public or children's library.

I have heard that it was a public library that lilsecrett was in. The other girl I know was in a University library. I could be wrong about lilsecrett. But there were still obviously children there and as soon as she realized they were around, she should have shut off her feed.

I may well have my performers confused. I thought we were referring to the OSU girl, whose cam name I don't know. I would agree that filming in a public library with disregard to the presence of children is worthy of sex offender registry. For the OSU case, I believe there was a crime deserving of at most a fine, school disciplinary action up to expulsion, and civil damages awarded to those who were filmed without permission, but I would stop short of ruining the rest of her life.

 

[Azhrarn]

I was posting in response to the guy that is on the rampage about what katsumi allowed in her room. I don't see why a site admin should be ratting people out for jokes, when all it will do is cause FBI resources to be wasted when they could be spent on actual criminal investigations.

This is what bothers me the most. I am so confused as to why grown adults capable of critical thinking are making a hoopla about a joke when there are actual crimes and actual pedophilia happening in the world. Resources aren't unlimited and it is so selfish of juju to waste them for her own benefit.

I am so confused as to why grown adults capable of critical thinking are assuming that these were jokes. The FBI has set up honeypots and launched investigations on far less evidence that was presented in those screenshots.

But to answer, I believe it was Prism's question, no, I don't want anyone to go to prison if all they did was make a joke in very poor taste. I've already stated my agenda, I don't want greater government involvement in anything having to do with the Internet, and that includes MFC. So it bothers me that when I entered this cam girl's room the other night, I immediately noticed two premiums with usernames having to do with pedophilia, and I couldn't find any way to report them. If MFC can't police itself than I'm sure the government will be more than happy to do so.

 

[JimsX]

I am so confused as to why grown adults capable of critical thinking are assuming that these were jokes. The FBI has set up honeypots and launched investigations on far less evidence that was presented in those screenshots.

But to answer, I believe it was Prism's question, no, I don't want anyone to go to prison if all they did was make a joke in very poor taste. I've already stated my agenda, I don't want greater government involvement in anything having to do with the Internet, and that includes MFC. So it bothers me that when I entered this cam girl's room the other night, I immediately noticed two premiums with usernames having to do with pedophilia, and I couldn't find any way to report them. If MFC can't police itself than I'm sure the government will be more than happy to do so.

There is a way to report a member. Just click Contact Support and fill in the form. It's simple and MFC does look into those things very quickly.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I am so confused as to why grown adults capable of critical thinking are assuming that these were jokes. The FBI has set up honeypots and launched investigations on far less evidence that was presented in those screenshots.

But to answer, I believe it was Prism's question, no, I don't want anyone to go to prison if all they did was make a joke in very poor taste. I've already stated my agenda, I don't want greater government involvement in anything having to do with the Internet, and that includes MFC. So it bothers me that when I entered this cam girl's room the other night, I immediately noticed two premiums with usernames having to do with pedophilia, and I couldn't find any way to report them. If MFC can't police itself than I'm sure the government will be more than happy to do so.

There is a way to report a member. Just click Contact Support and fill in the form. It's simple and MFC does look into those things very quickly.

Including a screenshot to back yourself up always helps, too! :thumbleft: I would prefer that MFC and Chaturbate allowed at least models to report members as easily as we can on Streammate by clicking on their name and having a "report" option in the menu, but I've had good results emailing Support a screenshot.

 

[JimsX]

Including a screenshot to back yourself up always helps, too! :thumbleft: I would prefer that MFC and Chaturbate allowed at least models to report members as easily as we can on Streammate by clicking on their name and having a "report" option in the menu, but I've had good results emailing Support a screenshot.

I reported a model for self-harming (it was scary) and her cam was down in under 5 minutes. I find MFC support very fast at protecting their interests.

I imagine it would be tougher reporting a member, but as you say, with a screenshot the evidence is there.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

The FBI has set up honeypots and launched investigations on far less evidence that was presented in those screenshots.

You keep bringing up the FBI in a really lame fear mongering sorta way but no, they probably haven't.

 

[Azhrarn]

You keep bringing up the FBI in a really lame fear mongering sorta way but no, they probably haven't.

"I" keep bringing up the FBI? Did you miss those posts where it was stated they were already involved and looking into the situation?

Also, Google is your friend.

 

[Fay_Galore]

You keep bringing up the FBI in a really lame fear mongering sorta way but no, they probably haven't.

"I" keep bringing up the FBI? Did you miss those posts where it was stated they were already involved and looking into the situation?

Also, Google is your friend.

I feel like a few things get out of hand due to misinformation (almost like the real life )
The thing with the "OMG, FBI" is: Jujuluvslife went on a vendetta against MFC and Katsumichann about them catering to pedophiles, her words. At one point she contacted "The national centre of missing and exploited children" (over an online performer who's of legal age, but that aside) they are pretty much obliged to hand if over the the FBI as soon as anyone throws around the word 'pedophile' (which Juju does, a lot).

and that's where the story ends, it wasn't about the library shows, it was about a grown woman accusing an 18 year old of, well, nothing really. Kat did nothing illegal, so I don't think there's much fuzz about this needed.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Also, Google is your friend.

Solid argument, my mind has been completely changed by all the evidence you have provided to support your claim.

 

[American_Beauty]

I feel terrible for laughing about it, but seriously... "go beavers" lmfao. I'm always hesitant to do a "public show" for literally these same reasons. Poor thing.

 

[PRISM]

I really dont even see how what lilsecrett did is so bad, I think just a warning and a fine would be enough and mfc should allow her back since she probably wouldn't do it again.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

I really dont even see how what lilsecrett did is so bad, I think just a warning and a fine would be enough and mfc should allow her back since she probably wouldn't do it again.

You don't see how having children on your feed and not turning it off while having a full conversation with one of them is wrong? Really?

 

[PRISM]

I really dont even see how what lilsecrett did is so bad, I think just a warning and a fine would be enough and mfc should allow her back since she probably wouldn't do it again.

You don't see how having children on your feed and not turning it off while having a full conversation with one of them is wrong? Really?

I think its disrespectful to the children and their parents, but it wasn't like she was actually harming the children.

 

[Lexi Emerson]

I really dont even see how what lilsecrett did is so bad, I think just a warning and a fine would be enough and mfc should allow her back since she probably wouldn't do it again.

You don't see how having children on your feed and not turning it off while having a full conversation with one of them is wrong? Really?

I think its disrespectful to the children and their parents, but it wasn't like she was actually harming the children.

I am in shock that you think she deserves just a slap on the wrist. This is more than "disrespectful". It is reckless, irresponsible, and puts people, CHILDREN, in potential risk. End of story. Plus it is against a zero-tolerence rule. Yeah, MFC tends to not follow their own rules but having kids on cam is a pretty big deal. In no way should she ever be able to be back on MFC.