Just starting out, please help

[Nicky29]

Hi! I'm Nicky. I am brand new on the scene and just trying to figure out how all this works. What are these tokens that keep being mentioned?
I have been lurking in chat sites to drum up some business. It's a lot of energy getting through all the ones who aren't going to be clients.
I've been offering a complete online girlfriend experience.
My about section goes like this

I love being spoiled!$! Would love to be your discreet online girlfriend. I am beautiful and flirty, as well as intelligent and able to carry a conversation. I can email, text, and when our relationship gets to that point naturally, I would also love to get to know you over skype.
It can be so tiring to keep finding women to connect with and try and get your needs met. I would love to be this person for you. Let me show you I care about how your day went and all your little quirks I can be spoiled through etransfer and egift cards
I can't wait to start getting to know you

And then I get guys who say they want that, but then when it comes time for the paying part (I stop them as soon as they start talking dirty) they start getting confused about paying for "just chatting" or say they "basically don't get what they are getting from it"

How can I fix this problem? Soooo much energy and so far, no pay outs.
Also, I'm in Canada.

 

[Ariana_]

Welcome to the community! First of all, NEVER listen when a man tells you what you should or should not charge for. There are plentyyyy of online sex workers, especially dommes, who charge for Kik sessions, etc etc... What do these dudes think phone sex is for? Actually, I'll take that a bit further. Literally never ever ever listen to anything these guys say in general, with regards to your business and how you run it. If a customer (or time-waster in this case) says you should do this, or that, or has a "helpful tip" for you of the non monetary kind, it's literally always going to be in their own self interest. They're selfish as hell and most have very poor morals with regard to taking advantage of us. New girls attract endless flocks of vultures. Set firm rules and limits for yourself, figure out your business model, and stick to it. No matter what.

This isn't necessarily true for the customers who peruse and interact with us on ACF. I've received some good advice from them that has been very helpful in terms of getting a different perspective. And (as far as I know) none have ever patronized me, so it's purely altruistic.

May I ask what platform(s) you're using? And how much time have you spent researching your job? Before I actively began camming I devoted probably ~10 hours to just reading. Blog posts, forums, etc. are all really helpful so you're off to a good start! If you're going to be camming, I suggest watching lots of different performers on different sites to really get a feel for the nuances of interaction with customers. If you have any extra money you're able to invest, I would also recommend purchasing a couple things from performers that you like, like clips, a short private show, or tipping for something in a group show. It's hard to truly understand the industry without also being on the customer side of things once in a while.

Oh I totally forgot to answer your first question because I got all riled up about slimy dudes lmao. Tokens are the form of currency on group-oriented sites like Chaturbate and MyFreeCams. Customers purchase tokens in packs for around $.08-.11 each. On the receiving end, every token is worth 5 cents. They're used to tip models for requests, purchase videos, pay for private shows, basically any transaction on the site. Private-oriented sites do not use tokens, as far as I'm aware.

 

[AlexaCrush]

Maybe it's not obvious enough to them that's what your looking for. I am new to the camming community so I can't say from experience, but from reading what you have there I could see guys looking at that and not really getting the picture. Like, they're hearing what they want to hear kind of thing.

 

[Nicky29]

Thanks! Ya,I definitely don't listen to them and I definitely don't just keep giving them what they want. I feel like I'm clearly not wording my offer well to attract the paying guys. At such a loss!

 

[Ambers Troll]

I tend to throw more candy a sugar doll's way, the less game she plays; it is really important that she be genuine, even at the risk of losing my spending.
For many spenders there will be at least a hint of sexual attention, it doesn't need to be reciprocated but will need to be acknowledged to some extent by the 'doll'.

My advice, when with someone who likes you, be fearless for the best chance of sweet success. Keep in mind there are thousands of great women out there to treat for such guys, the reward comes in finding someone special in an ocean of greatness.

 

[Nicky29]

Thank you, Ambers Troll. I do always try to be myself, I am one of my favourite people after all What is a good way to be specific when someone asks what they are getting for their money? I feel like my intro tells them, and I spend lots of time chatting with them to see if we get a long well and "click" (this part is really important to me, but maybe it shouldn't be?) before asking if they are interested in the whole experience, to start after the spoiling happens.

 

[Ms_Gingersnatch]

To be honest, I'm pretty confused about what you're offering, so I don't blame guys for being confused.

If you're trying to sell a GFE package, you could be much more specific about what they get and for how much. Most cam girls charge per minute for Skype play time, so how much Skype time would he be getting at your rates? Some of us charge per text message or email, so how much is that? You could also charge for texting sessions by the minute, but I think that's not what you're planning. Some of us charge per day/week/month for the ability to text/kik/snap with us, but would definitely cut off someone that wanted a truly excessive amount of contact. A lot of girls selling text/snap packages say that you'll get at least X regular pics, Y nude pics, Z explicit pics per day. I assume that's sort of the level of detail they want - how much texting, emailing, pics, skype time, etc. for how many $$.

It kind of sounds like you're trying to be more of an online sugar baby, where things are a little more loosely defined, and you agree to just take care or one another's "needs" to some degree. Even then, you could be a bit more clear. Would this person be splitting your attention with other sugar daddies? If so, how many? Or could he demand that you not work with any other men? Would you be at his beck and call? Can he request your attention whenever he wants, and you'll drop what you're doing? How far does that extend - do you get sleeping hours, time to go to a regular job, and/or days off? Would this ever lead to in person contact?

Where are you advertising your services, and is it appropriate to what you're advertising? Are you talking to people that are open to paying for this sort of relationship? If you're on a site that is based around free socializing or dating, the answer is probably no. If you're trying to sell packages in which you get a certain amount of attention for a certain rate, you should probably be advertising on sites where people expect to pay for texting, emailing, or Skype shows. Certain cam sites probably aren't a bad place to start.

If you're looking for a virtual sugar daddy, you might need to look in other locations. You can get lucky and find one on a cam site, but you probably need to branch out. Especially if you are willing to be at someone's beck and call and meet most of their requests for attention, you need to be asking for a good chunk of $$. If he wants you to be exclusive to him and give up other work (whether adult or a job), he needs to be funding your entire lifestyle. If he expects that you'll be 24/7 and drop everything, including sleep, to attend to him, he needs to fund a pretty damn nice lifestyle. In short, depending on what you're offering and what he wants, you may need to be talking to people that can and will shell out a LOT of $$ for a virtual girlfriend. I don't know where to find such people, but it probably requires rather specific advertising locations, such as sugar daddy sites.

 

[Nicky29]

Thank you Ms_Gingersnatch!
Your second paragraph is definitely describing what I'm trying to do. What do people usually charge per text or minute? I didn't know there are sugar daddy sites, I'll start googling that right now. Should I put specific prices right in my intro?
I have no idea where to find these guys. I only just thought of it because I was on wireclub and someone messaged me out of the blue wanting to contribute regularly in exchange for texting and me watching him on skype from time to time. I figure there has to be more like him, and I'm pretty awesome. I regularly get chatters tell me how nice it is to finally connect with someone they can "click" with, so feel like I can really help fund my tuition this way.

I really appreciate everyone's feed back!

 

[Ms_Gingersnatch]

I have no idea where to find these guys. I only just thought of it because I was on wireclub and someone messaged me out of the blue wanting to contribute regularly in exchange for texting and me watching him on skype from time to time. I figure there has to be more like him,

There ARE more like him! They are called cam customers!

I strongly advise looking around a lot on this and other respected forums for info. Firstly, it's important to realize that everything you are proposing is sex work, and doing it will make you a sex worker. It's fully legal, but there is social stigma attached to this. It's important to read up on that and safety issues, including how to safely accept money for your services.

What do people usually charge per text or minute? I didn't know there are sugar daddy sites, I'll start googling that right now. Should I put specific prices right in my intro?

As far as texting, perhaps take a look at Phrendly.com and DreamLover.com, which are probably the leaders in paid texting at the moment. The going rate seems to be somewhere between $0.50-$1 per "round" (one text from each of you), but that varies by site.

If you want to sell time packages, like 20 minutes of sexting, the price per minute varies. Same for Skype sessions. For Skype, I would love to see everyone charging at least $3 per minute, but it's a free economy, so you may charge what you like. I'd suggest checking out LiveCamModelShows.com, CamModelDirectory.com, and SkyPrivate.com for ideas about how this works. Girls on some of thses sites also sell texting packages, so that's a good place to check rates.

Also, read the forum.

 

[Nicky29]

Awe, Thanks Ms_Gingersnatch. You really are such a doll!
xo

 

[Smores]

Hi! I'm Nicky. I am brand new on the scene and just trying to figure out how all this works. What are these tokens that keep being mentioned?
I have been lurking in chat sites to drum up some business. It's a lot of energy getting through all the ones who aren't going to be clients.
I've been offering a complete online girlfriend experience.
My about section goes like this

I love being spoiled!$! Would love to be your discreet online girlfriend. I am beautiful and flirty, as well as intelligent and able to carry a conversation. I can email, text, and when our relationship gets to that point naturally, I would also love to get to know you over skype.
It can be so tiring to keep finding women to connect with and try and get your needs met. I would love to be this person for you. Let me show you I care about how your day went and all your little quirks I can be spoiled through etransfer and egift cards
I can't wait to start getting to know you

And then I get guys who say they want that, but then when it comes time for the paying part (I stop them as soon as they start talking dirty) they start getting confused about paying for "just chatting" or say they "basically don't get what they are getting from it"

How can I fix this problem? Soooo much energy and so far, no pay outs.
Also, I'm in Canada.

One thing I would do - specific to MFC - is to prevent guest and basic users from being able to either chat or send you any PMs. You really only want your friends and people who have a proven history of tipping to be chatting with you. Any free time you give to chatting should be viewed as an investment in sales to *qualified customers*.

On MFC Personal Options, go to the link for Privacy Options. Deselect the link for Basic Members. That will prevent them from sending you PMs.

Now for the public chat maybe the other models can tell you how to silence different levels. I know there is a way to silence Guests in public chat. I hope there is a way to silence Basics as well?

On CB, the equivalent of "basic" users is what are known as "grey" users. These people are hardcore porno trolls. They sit there in the room and in public just dirty talk all day. They are worthless unemployed alcoholic idiots with a porn addiction. Yeah, that's about how I feel about it. It's very important to make those people simply disappear. Fortunately, on CB there is a option to prevent grey users from speaking in public chat.

One thing I really like about CB is that they color-code users. That lets you see who are the users spending the most money, and you can proactively get to know those users. I know one model whose entire strategy is built around selling to those users and she does extremely well.

Reflecting back on the guys who have wasted your time, do you know if they were basics or premiums? I think MFC gives models some way to see the person's current token count as well as their lifetime rating, and those two numbers together should tell you if this person is real or not. If they have zero tokens, why are you spending time with them? Maybe take us through your actions and thought process as you were chatting these guys, and maybe someone will see a way for you to have identified you were going down the wrong path.

 

[Smores]

Welcome to the community! First of all, NEVER listen when a man tells you what you should or should not charge for. There are plentyyyy of online sex workers, especially dommes, who charge for Kik sessions, etc etc... What do these dudes think phone sex is for? Actually, I'll take that a bit further. Literally never ever ever listen to anything these guys say in general, with regards to your business and how you run it. If a customer (or time-waster in this case) says you should do this, or that, or has a "helpful tip" for you of the non monetary kind, it's literally always going to be in their own self interest. They're selfish as hell and most have very poor morals with regard to taking advantage of us. New girls attract endless flocks of vultures. Set firm rules and limits for yourself, figure out your business model, and stick to it. No matter what.

Oh my God, you are so cynical! I guess many guys have ruined the scene for anyone with good intentions.

I would modify your advice by telling the model to always inspect any advice from a man through a specific filter. Ask yourself the question: what is in it for *him* if I do what he suggests? If the answer is that nothing is in it for him, the advice might actually be well-intentioned.

When I go into a model's room, and she has poor lighting, I tell her. I offer to send her a link to CB's lighting video. I definitely gain nothing from that.

I am definitely one of those guys who gives new girls advice, and I am pretty sure I get squat out of the time I spend doing that. What is in it for me is being able to get to know the model better and gaining some trust. That's about it.

 

[Ariana_]

Oh my God, you are so cynical! I guess many guys have ruined the scene for anyone with good intentions.

I would modify your advice by telling the model to always inspect any advice from a man through a specific filter. Ask yourself the question: what is in it for *him* if I do what he suggests? If the answer is that nothing is in it for him, the advice might actually be well-intentioned.

When I go into a model's room, and she has poor lighting, I tell her. I offer to send her a link to CB's lighting video. I definitely gain nothing from that.

I am definitely one of those guys who gives new girls advice, and I am pretty sure I get squat out of the time I spend doing that. What is in it for me is being able to get to know the model better and gaining some trust. That's about it.

I like... Specifically included a paragraph about how there are genuinely helpful and good people you interact with in this job. Your "modification" is also something that I included in my response. So thanks for rehashing what I wrote while simultaneously insulting me. But my apologies for being realistic about my experience so far, as well as the experiences of many many many women I have spoken to. "Cynicism" is such an ugly trait in a young lady, isn't it? Check your martyr complex.

 

[Smores]

I like... Specifically included a paragraph about how there are genuinely helpful and good people you interact with in this job. Your "modification" is also something that I included in my response. So thanks for rehashing what I wrote while simultaneously insulting me. But my apologies for being realistic about my experience so far, as well as the experiences of many many many women I have spoken to. "Cynicism" is such an ugly trait in a young lady, isn't it? Check your martyr complex.

I was not trying to insult you and I am sorry you took it that way.

I was trying to defend that some men have good intentions when they give advice. That is all.

 

[Ariana_]

I was not trying to insult you and I am sorry you took it that way.

I was trying to defend that some men have good intentions when they give advice. That is all.

Which I had, once again, already stated. Unsolicited advice from people who have never done a day of sex work in their lives isn't cute or helpful. Would you hire a plumber and advise them on how to do their job? How about a physical therapist?

It's best to be very careful about whose advice you take, and to be critical of why it's being given. Also, if she continues to utilize this forum, and other performer-made resources, I suspect that it will be infinitely more helpful than advice from random dudes that may or may not be coming from a good place. I'm not trying to hijack this thread so that's all I have to say. Thanks!