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JessiJayde said:
MFC is dying, the only the already placed top models seem to get any traffic, which is why so many models are moving away from MFC and looking for new places to cam. Hell, MFC won't even respond to their messages they get via the contact info. why would anyone WANT to be like that website?

This deserves being made into a new thread :think:

So as not to derail the thread this was in even more and I did not see a new thread started I thought I would make this one.

I don't think MFC is dying. It consistently has had more models working, during a typical west coast prime time, each of the last 4 years I have been coming to MFC. Granted, I think it is difficult for new models to do well on MFC, but I do see a good number of new model tags move up the camscore rankings. No clue what percentage of models make it to a year and do well on MFC though.

There are many things that MFC could do to improve. Customer service is a big one. I am not an abuser of customer service but I know many members and even some models who would and that type of customer service costs a lot of time and money.

I like the freewheeling openness of MFC and letting the community police itself. What I have yet to see from any other cam site is a sense of community. Dysfunctional community many times :lol: but it does seem to keep people coming back.
 
MFC has changed drastically since I started a little over a year ago, but it's not necessarily because it's dying. There seems to be a higher number of freeloaders/trolls and a lot of quiet, empty rooms, but there's always a flip side and there are tons of girls still owning it and doing really well!
 
I don't think it's dying. I think it's changing. And I don't much care for where it's been changing to.

When I started in November 2009, their main slogan was "by the geeks for the geeks". A few months later it was "We've got pornstars!" And then they changed to "everything for free".

When the main slogan was "by the geeks for the geeks", I did rather well. I'm a geek, after all, and many of the members were impressed with my level of geekiness, and were plenty willing to spend money to enjoy my company. As the focus shifted to the pornstars, well, I couldn't compete with them! When my regulars would leave, no one new would replace them, because everyone was too busy looking at the pornstars.

Then came "everything for free". Then, not only did it become difficult for me to draw any sort of crowd, those few that did stop by were all "tits. What? you won't show? I'm telling!" They seriously thought that models were required to show things for free on the site.

I miss the days of the slogan I started camming under. Oh sure, I started right about when games were getting popular, but if they hadn't put such a big emphasis on big names and then free content, I could've kept my room mostly traditional and been a straightforward camgirl with no trouble. Now, it takes a lot more work than it did when I joined.

I don't cam to be a gameshow hostess. I want to have lively conversation in free chat and sexy shows in group and private. Those are the two parts of camming that I enjoy, but they are too commonplace now, and a girl can't survive on just those anymore.

(Edited to add starting date for reference)
 
In the heat of an argument where I was called a fucking moron whore and where I was, apparently, the only one to NOT lose my cool nor feel bad about the whole thing, I said that. Do I think it is easy for new models or even existing model to do well there? No, I think if you are a model that isn't going to start a show for 400 tokens and go until everyone says it is okay or you're not one of the existing well known models there, you're probably going to have a tough time. I went there recently and found that there were at LEAST 20 NEW MODEL tags there. Models are joining and still will be joining, but of those how many do you think will do well?

I started last May. By August I was raking in around $5-6,000 a month. Come December, I was lucky to meet my naked goal (less than 900 tokens). I did EVERYTHING under the sun and then some and still found it hard to get anyone to TALK much less tip! By January, I was scraping together pennies to pay my bills, that's when I started looking into other ways to make money, like MyGirlFund. I was selling 45 videos for 150-200 tokens and still wasn't able to sell but maybe one video set a week. It was tough.

It has changed, the rooms are quieter, the tippers are few and far between, and it feels like someone is forcing you to get on when it is time. Some rooms do really well, but a lot of the girls that has pretty consistently 5,000+ camscores have sunken down to 3,000, some even less. MFC, from what I have read, has been crashing a lot as well. It seems like since the most popular room list went up, it was just another chance for freeloading.

During my shows, I was lucky to get 30 people in there, it was pointless doing shows for 3 tippers, but I also need the money, so it was more of an obligation. I was getting more and more frustrated when it was time to get one, so I figured that maybe getting away from MFC was a good idea.

Is MFC dying? Maybe, who knows, but it's definitely changing and not in a way that is good for every model. It's certainly not a good place to start out camming, otherwise your expectations are never going to be met, unless you are pretty well educated in the business.
 
LadyLuna said:
I don't think it's dying. I think it's changing. And I don't much care for where it's been changing to.

When I started in November 2009, their main slogan was "by the geeks for the geeks". A few months later it was "We've got pornstars!" And then they changed to "everything for free".

When the main slogan was "by the geeks for the geeks", I did rather well. I'm a geek, after all, and many of the members were impressed with my level of geekiness, and were plenty willing to spend money to enjoy my company. As the focus shifted to the pornstars, well, I couldn't compete with them! When my regulars would leave, no one new would replace them, because everyone was too busy looking at the pornstars.

Then came "everything for free". Then, not only did it become difficult for me to draw any sort of crowd, those few that did stop by were all "tits. What? you won't show? I'm telling!" They seriously thought that models were required to show things for free on the site.

I miss the days of the slogan I started camming under. Oh sure, I started right about when games were getting popular, but if they hadn't put such a big emphasis on big names and then free content, I could've kept my room mostly traditional and been a straightforward camgirl with no trouble. Now, it takes a lot more work than it did when I joined.

I don't cam to be a gameshow hostess. I want to have lively conversation in free chat and sexy shows in group and private. Those are the two parts of camming that I enjoy, but they are too commonplace now, and a girl can't survive on just those anymore.

(Edited to add starting date for reference)

I started a little while before you did, but do not remember seeing or hearing anything about slogans. I do remember when there was an influx of porn stars and they always started them with a 10k camscore. I only remember MFC advertising being a free site.
 
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In the heat of an argument where I was called a fucking moron whore and where I was, apparently, the only one to NOT lose my cool nor feel bad about the whole thing, I said that. Do I think it is easy for new models or even existing model to do well there? No, I think if you are a model that isn't going to start a show for 400 tokens and go until everyone says it is okay or you're not one of the existing well known models there, you're probably going to have a tough time. I went there recently and found that there were at LEAST 20 NEW MODEL tags there. Models are joining and still will be joining, but of those how many do you think will do well?

I started last May. By August I was raking in around $5-6,000 a month. Come December, I was lucky to meet my naked goal (less than 900 tokens). I did EVERYTHING under the sun and then some and still found it hard to get anyone to TALK much less tip! By January, I was scraping together pennies to pay my bills, that's when I started looking into other ways to make money, like MyGirlFund. I was selling 45 videos for 150-200 tokens and still wasn't able to sell but maybe one video set a week. It was tough.

It has changed, the rooms are quieter, the tippers are few and far between, and it feels like someone is forcing you to get on when it is time. Some rooms do really well, but a lot of the girls that has pretty consistently 5,000+ camscores have sunken down to 3,000, some even less. MFC, from what I have read, has been crashing a lot as well. It seems like since the most popular room list went up, it was just another chance for freeloading.

During my shows, I was lucky to get 30 people in there, it was pointless doing shows for 3 tippers, but I also need the money, so it was more of an obligation. I was getting more and more frustrated when it was time to get one, so I figured that maybe getting away from MFC was a good idea.

Is MFC dying? Maybe, who knows, but it's definitely changing and not in a way that is good for every model. It's certainly not a good place to start out camming, otherwise your expectations are never going to be met, unless you are pretty well educated in the business.

In the time I have been coming to MFC, this seems to be the most stable the site has ever been. At least for me and the times I am on. I recall hours of the site being down and not accessible last year, I cant recall a single time it has crashed or not been up this year.

I did not like the idea of the most popular room feature but I can't say that I have seen it hurt most rooms that I have visited. They just changed this recently as well. Now it shows all rooms but is still ordered by the most popular rooms.
 
No, I don't think MFC is dying.

I think the question here is not "is MFC dying", but, "is it harder for the average model to make a livable wage?"

There seem to be several criteria being studied here as to what exactly constitutes MFC "dying".

Is it models not having super easy shifts?
Is it MFC netting less money?
Is it models netting less money?
Is it a an influx of more models than members can support?

I feel that what people want from MFC is a job where every model makes $50 an hour, has rooms filled with talkative tippers, and every new model slowly starts earning more and more until there are thousands of models who can all expect to make 10k tokens a day.

I feel that is not how capitalism works. In industry with practically no barrier to entry, a limited customer base and dozens of new entrepreneurs flooding the market monthly... how can you expect that every model be successful? It sounds cold-hearted, but camming is not a magical job where every single person can expect to be successful. Some people do well and others don't, just like every other industry in the world.

A couple of years ago, the top 20 models on MFC were making about 5k tokens a day. Now they're making roughly four times or more than that. Clearly, models on MFC are pulling in way more money than they were.

I'm super not the best model in the world. Right now I'm pretty sure I'm not even in the top 2000. Yet I'm still making a comfortable wage that I can live off of.

MFC still provides things people want. When models can't make money off of MFC, they move on to other sites as you ladies have done.

Yes, many of the women who join MFC will not be able to make money there and will have to move on. That's how capitalism works. I'm glad I have a foothold in MFC but if I can no longer make money there, I'll move on (sadly) to another site. MFC is not the end-all camsite; many models prefer other sites. People love to put MFC down by promoting the benefits of other sites; other sites are more consistent, have better members, what have you. But I can guarantee you that not every single model on Streamate is making good, consistent money. If there was a website that guaranteed every single model would make $X per hour, models would flood that site until that could no longer possibly be the case.

MFC cannot provide a livable wage to every single model. No website can unless they have a cap on how many models are allowed to sign up. At the same time, MFC provides good money for many hundreds of models, and not all of them are "top" models by far.

If the vibe of MFC has changed to where models have to work more or harder, then that sucks. I have good days that are rock awesome and bad days that suck - yet again, just like jobs in every sector. Yet, MFC is clearly bringing in a lot more money than it used to, even if some women are gaining the majority of it. I may also argue that several top models on each website make the majority of that site's money.
 
It's not dying but definitely changing. Not sure if it's a growth type change or not but I just hope I don't get left in the dust.
The number of girls on the profiles homepage with a camscore over 10,000 is way higher than it used to be! The same income that almost always put me in the top 100 is now barely able to keep top 200.
On the flipside, privates rarely get requested anymore and the number of people wiling to join a group vs. drool on their keyboard in public chat is not in the favor of models like me. Being able to get 3 people to start a group with 300+ people in the room never used to be a problem.
Obviously the site isn't dying if more girls are making more money but it's gotten harder to compete than it used to be, especially for the news girls trying to establish a base and has pushed more to the public shows when it comes to the saucy stuff. That has made it a bit harder for the non public show girls to get shows together.

I love MFC and I sure hope I'll be able to keep up with them for the long haul without breaking my current rules and comfort levels. I just don't want to wake up one day feeling like I need to cum in public or GTFO.
 
Sites like xpeeps may begin to take more of MFC's action. I am yet to see another site I could say that would replace MFC.
 
I think as others have said, it's changing and some camsites suit some models better than MFC does. It's definitely not dying from MFC's point of view, and I doubt it's a conscious disregard but bottom line for them is, as long as they're netting money overall, it's successful. Within that there will be some models doing worse, but a net gain in tokens per month is a gain overall for the owners.
 
I have to agree with everyone who has said the MFC has been changing. But from the perspective of a member who has been browsing MFC for more than a couple of years, I have noticed slightly different changes to the ones mentioned by the models.

1) I should point out that I consider MFC as two separate entities. Because the site allows filtering, I have my default front page set to North America/UK/Australia. Despite the increase in the number of models that fall with this group, the numbers excluded still constitutes about 60-70% of all the models on MFC at any given time.

But on occasion, I have removed the filters, and I have noticed that there appear to be more models from Eastern Europe now working from home rather than in studios. When I first found MFC, this was very rare. So it feels like that one of the things that used to make the North America/UK/Australia different (apart from the cultural and language affinities for many members) has been removed. So many members who would not have visited a model in Eastern Europe because they were put off by the studio atmosphere, do visit the independents (sorry, couldn't think of a more appropriate term). Hence diluting the overall token pool available to the North America/UK/Australia models.

2) The changes that have been happening on MFC also seem to correlate with the general situation in the world economy. When I started visiting, the recession was just starting to hit, especially in Europe. But its main impacts had yet to be felt. Since then it has just gotten worse. Many members who had a lot more disposable income back then are now either being more cautious with their shrunken (in real terms) income, or have lost it all together. Sure, some members left when they could no longer tip, but I doubt that was more than a small minority. So in some member's minds "value for money" has become more of an issue.

3) Related to the above point, from anecdotal evidence of a few models I have talked to, the number of European members who visit them has dropped, and the amounts the remaining tip is lower. I don't know whether that is true across teh board or it it was just the case for the models in question. But I can explain one reason for the drop in tip amounts...the exchange rate. The £ used to buy more tokens (as they are always priced in $) than they do now. So I could still drop a 1000 tokens, but it is going to cost me quite a bit more (the extra cost starts becoming significant over time).

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CammiStar said:
Members expectations have just changed. And that is the biggest and most disappointing change I have seen on MFC.
I don't think it is just the members' expectation that have changed. I am seeing a lot more new models joining who have only done a minimum of research into the site, and usually only visited some of the top models. So when they setup their topics on those early days, they set their sights on token targets that are going to be difficult to reach. That seems to result in some new models being less aware that any and all tips are good.

5) As mentioned above, due to the lack of appropriate monitoring by MFC admin, a LOT more models are now offering alternatives to MFC shows. Back in my early days, MFC was quite clear that any form of transaction had to be carried out ON MFC, and in tokens only. Though many models still used wishlists, and chipins, things like skype shows, paypal, advertising alternative sites etc were rarer. Now it seems to be the norm. I have heard comments on this forum that suggest that some models are doing this to supplement their incomes from MFC itself. But to me it seems to dilute incomes. Why pay $50 on MFC when you could get more for $25 off site? Yes, some models may consider a dollar is a dollar. But if you are offering an alternative to a member, especially a cheaper alternative, then more and more members are going to be unwilling to pay MFC prices. Please don't take offense, but I think many models did this to themselves....they opened up the market, and now members are bargaining a lot harder.

(Sorry about the rambling post. I know what I want to say but a 5 day stint of insomnia is taking its toll on clarity).
 
I agree it's changing. And some models are changing what they do in public, too, and not always for the better. And the member base has definitely changed for the worse.

For example, one model I used to hang with a lot (until she pissed me off, I mentioned before about the calling out my reward points in public right after I had tipped her, I have not been back to her room since) used to have no problems getting her countdowns for topless and naked. They were never huge, and the price has always remained roughly the same. But she never used to do public shows, mostly because she could almost always count on a good 4-5 privates a day and 3+ groups with at least 5-7 people per group for the whole time in a day. Now she does public shows and is rarely in group or privates (though, to be fair, her privates that she is in are often long and many are true privates-- I still see her on my friends list, so I see when she is in public group or private if we are on at the same time).

However, the more she started doing in public chat, the worse her attitude became. And I'm not the only former regular that noticed this. She started calling out on regulars that had been there for a year or more, very nearly getting to the point of complaining if we didn't tip her hundreds of tokens a day, each. And, not all of us can afford to do that. She used to be fine with us hanging out and tipping when we could... and when I stopped hanging in her room, it was very nearly like she expected some of us to tip her entire countdowns every single day.

Another girl who used to work for an American agency/studio but now is on her own account... and has been top 20 for a good few months... Well, while she's hot and does very good public shows... her attitude is horrid at times. I have literally seen her scream at the room for not finishing a countdown in what she deems an acceptable amount of time and then log off, furious. Granted, she's young, she just turned 19 a few months back, and is making far more money than most 19 year olds do (consistent top 20 is definitely a good income). But, she hasn't yet grasped that just because she's hot doesn't mean people always have the ability to get to the around 10k goal she sets to go topless, then nude, then public show within an hour or two of logging in every day. Hell, some models would be thrilled with getting a single 10k day, but she expects it within a short amount of time and then gets into rage mode if it doesn't happen. Needless to say, I haven't bothered hanging in her room lately, either.

Not every model is a Shyutza or an AspenRae, each of whom can pretty much expect big tips every single day (or tons upon tons of smaller tips). But models like them are the exceptions to the rule, not the norm. I know Shy used to have some big sugar daddy members, some of whom would tip her thousands of tokens at a time, but MFC's crashing problem last year drove many of them away. But, she can and does still have some members that drop 1k+ tips frequently. Aspen... well, she's Aspen. And while I don't often check her out, I know she brings the tokens in. Maybe it's her attitude, she always seems very upbeat when I do check her out. But it's something she does that brings the tippers in.

But the thing is, for the most part, these and other really popular models haven't really changed what they do in public chat all that much. Shy still doesn't get naked in public, though she might go to a hand or hair bra every now and then with an occasional "oopsie" flash of a nipple-- especially at the end of a pay period. She has started doing groups again, something she hadn't really done in like 2 years, though-- and when she does, it generally turns into 20+ people in no time flat. But her attitude has also changed to a more relaxed and fun attitude (I'm sure we all remember the old jokes about her being miserable and condescending to people all the time). From what I have seen, Aspen hasn't changed a lot, either. Other popular models also seem to be pretty much the same from when I have checked them out.

But, since there can be literally a thousand or more models on at a time, it is harder for the less popular models to gain a foothold. I remember when seeing 3 pages of models, when you had your homepage set to 250 models per page (the default, I believe, I never changed my settings), was a rarity. Really only at the end of pay periods. Looking right now, there's over 3 pages of models not set to away. That's over 750 models trying to work right this very second, with page 4 starting at models with 154 camscore and page one ending at 867 camscore. So that means there's 500 models on, right now, with camscores ranging from 155-866. And that's over 500 models who will most likely not see much room traffic; since we know it is very rare for people to check beyond page 1. That's hundreds of models a day who might get 0 tokens the entire day.

Switching to the members... there are a shit ton more freeloaders than there used to be. Sure, there were always freeloaders, guests, basics and premiums. But the sheer amount of freeloaders over the past few months has grown astronomically The most popular room right now has 1624 people in it... and over 1000 are guests (I popped in to check to see how many). There's maybe 200 premiums in there, and for the few minutes I was there, just a single tip towards the topic. 1600 people in there all waiting for someone else to tip towards whatever topic she has (I left already).

Obviously, guests and basics can't tip. But you can join a room with a hundred or more premiums and not see a single tip for a half hour or more. But the people not tipping are pretty constantly begging or demanding.

I think the scourge of the $20 basics has arrived. Guys tired of not being able to talk in rooms who finally ponied up and spent $20 just so they can't get silenced when begging/demanding with no tips unless the model bans them. I just checked the regular lounge, and there's almost 550 members in there. Even the lounge 1000 has almost half that many people in there, and I remember when it was a shock to see 100 people in that lounge.

Also, the general attitude of members has gone down. So many more people expect more for less... or nothing in the case of freeloaders. The amount of people I see saying what models should do for someone else's tips has gone up a lot lately. The amount of rude members has gone up. Well, when I'm in rooms, that is. I generally just talk to and tip my favorites from PM windows, anymore. Some of them have asked why I am never in their rooms anymore, and I very bluntly say "because I can't stand the other members of the site."

Insofar as the good members of the site... well, they should do what I do a lot, I think. Go private more, thus removing the model from the freeloaders. Join groups for their favorites. Send ninja tips that specifically say in the tip notes that they are not for topic (well, unless they really want the model naked :p ). Keep showing that they're the members the models want to keep around, even if they can't tip. Don't even bother dealing with the freeloaders, rude members and beggars... just start putting them on ignore if they get too annoying.

So many people seem to take the free part of MyFreeCams literally. It's free in ways some other sites aren't, like allowing the girls to do things in public or even talk to members in public (not every site allows this). It's free in that you get more than a 30 second preview of the model without taking her private. But it's not MyFreeShows, which is what some members seem to think it is; as in they show up and expect the models to start fucking themselves in public chat for nothing.

I might be rambling.... it's after 4 AM my time...
 
I had thought penetration in public chat was against the site rules anyway.

The thing about public shows, and really it's just a microcosm of a market economy, is that once one person starts dropping prices, or doing something extra it turns into what is effectively a price war. It becomes harder and harder for models to make ends meet NOT doing public shows because they're losing viewers to the next room over where the countdown is already paid for and the girl is fucking her bedpost.

Yeah you can say the members are cheapskates, but the reality of the situation is that if you had two restaurants on opposite sides of the street, one was packed with people who seemed to be enjoying themselves and had a sign saying 'FREE LUNCH' and the other was deserted and said "$15 LUNCH SPECIAL"...what would you do? And yeah, the $15 may in fact be a fair price, it may be the minimum the restaurant needs to charge to stay in business and it might even taste better than the free one but...the other one is free.

So whose fault is it? MFC for not enforcing rules? Well they probly don't care if guys go into a tipping frenzy. The models doing public shows? Well people do what they have to in order to make ends meet, and if it's working for her and MFC doesn't punish it... The member who goes to a show that's already been paid for instead of whacking another $50 on his credit card? In all honesty, I doubt you can blame them either. Everyone loves a freebie, money is tight for lots of us and I'm not trying to excuse freeloading but...I think we all been there in one way or another.
 
MFC is making money hand over fist, and is in no way dying. It may be that more money is being concentrated at the top of the model list, but that does not matter to them. They seem to have deleted the tweet, but last year was another record breaking year for them.
 
I hate mfc but i don't think its dying. The way they run things is profitable though so in that sense, no ts not like they are going to shut down anytime soon. The miss mfc contest is a genius business move that has kept things profitable for them.
 
I think MFC is a hit or miss for webcam models. You can have the best cam, lighting and be an awesome model and be stuck at a below 1000 camscore. The difference between mfc and other cam sites is that income is distributed mainly between higher camscore girls which makes it hard for new models to get noticed.
 
Jupiter551 said:
I had thought penetration in public chat was against the site rules anyway.
Just want to clarify that any type of masturbation or use of toys in public chat is technically against the rules. Even spreads or close ups. as per the rules "tasteful nudity" is allowed in public chat.

Like it really matters! :lol: I just had to be a know it all!
 
No, MFC is NOT dying. A person having a lot of bad days on cam doesn't mean that the site is dying. I wouldn't make such a statement about a cam site unless I saw a huge drop in the number of online models and members, and models weren't making their room topic goals. There are a lot of models who are still making their room topic goals. Also, every year at around this time, I know models are talking about a 'summer slump' in camming. Sometimes when things seem 'dead', it may seem like your regulars are the only ones tipping.

MFC is still considered a high traffic cam site, and you will find that there are hundreds of models online at any given moment, and many of those models have several people in their rooms. I think the LOWEST number of models I've ever seen online was around 700. That's a hell of a lot of 'online' models.

Are models getting frustrated with MFC and talking about taking a break, or quitting the site? YES. I've heard a lot of models say that they're happier now that they've switched over to Streamate instead.

I've also noticed that some MFC models have gotten sick of doing public shows, and have decided to save some of that stuff for group/private/true private instead. I don't blame them...
 
LadyLuna said:
I don't think it's dying. I think it's changing. And I don't much care for where it's been changing to.

When I started in November 2009, their main slogan was "by the geeks for the geeks". A few months later it was "We've got pornstars!" And then they changed to "everything for free".

When the main slogan was "by the geeks for the geeks", I did rather well. I'm a geek, after all, and many of the members were impressed with my level of geekiness, and were plenty willing to spend money to enjoy my company. As the focus shifted to the pornstars, well, I couldn't compete with them! When my regulars would leave, no one new would replace them, because everyone was too busy looking at the pornstars.

Then came "everything for free". Then, not only did it become difficult for me to draw any sort of crowd, those few that did stop by were all "tits. What? you won't show? I'm telling!" They seriously thought that models were required to show things for free on the site.

I miss the days of the slogan I started camming under. Oh sure, I started right about when games were getting popular, but if they hadn't put such a big emphasis on big names and then free content, I could've kept my room mostly traditional and been a straightforward camgirl with no trouble. Now, it takes a lot more work than it did when I joined.

I don't cam to be a gameshow hostess. I want to have lively conversation in free chat and sexy shows in group and private. Those are the two parts of camming that I enjoy, but they are too commonplace now, and a girl can't survive on just those anymore.

(Edited to add starting date for reference)

Cool post. I agree with the line of thought that MFC is not dying but, right now, at the age that more people and more are using the "free" aspect of MFC. And that doesn't mean that MFC is losing money but that you got rooms with a few tippers and tons of guests. Next age: Gameshow Hostess Not-That-Nude Models Age? :think:
 
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I don't have any stats to back it up, but could it be possible that the number of new, paying premium members is not growing as fast as the number of new models? This would give the impression to an individual model that "the site" is "dying," when the reality is it's making more money than ever as a whole, but the competition for the total number of members is getting more furious.

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I don't have any stats to back it up, but could it be possible that the number of new, paying premium members is not growing as fast as the number of new models? This would give the impression to an individual model that "the site" is "dying," when the reality is it's making more money than ever as a whole, but the competition for the total number of members is getting more furious.

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As I have always said since I started on MFC........MFC is "The Social Network for Pervs!" It will be there as long as the social aspect of it is in place, some sites have tried to duplicate it but haven't quite gotten it. I am not dissin' any other camsite, I have just yet to see one quite like MFC. I don't think MFC will be going anywhere for a very long time unless admin gets dumb and changes it completely. Models come and go, that is part of the business, there are still a ton of lower camscored models who make a living off of MFC and have been doing so for quite sometime! Besides... Where would I use all of my awesome emotes if not for MFC? :lol:
 
Loslonelyboy said:
As I have always said since I started on MFC........MFC is "The Social Network for Pervs!" It will be there as long as the social aspect of it is in place, some sites have tried to duplicate it but haven't quite gotten it. I am not dissin' any other camsite, I have just yet to see one quite like MFC. I don't think MFC will be going anywhere for a very long time unless admin gets dumb and changes it completely. Models come and go, that is part of the business, there are still a ton of lower camscored models who make a living off of MFC and have been doing so for quite sometime! Besides... Where would I use all of my awesome emotes if not for MFC? :lol:
Totally agreed! Other camsites may pop up with some great features for either members or models, or both, but I really don't forsee any new site implementing ALL the awesome features that MFC has put into place over the years. The massive emote library, the lounges, the freedom within the community to friend people... it really is like you say "The Social Network for Pervs."

And on the note about the site crashing a lot... it's been a VERY long time since we've had a period of MFC crashi-ness. I've been very happy with the site's stability lately.
 
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Loslonelyboy said:
As I have always said since I started on MFC........MFC is "The Social Network for Pervs!" It will be there as long as the social aspect of it is in place, some sites have tried to duplicate it but haven't quite gotten it. I am not dissin' any other camsite, I have just yet to see one quite like MFC. I don't think MFC will be going anywhere for a very long time unless admin gets dumb and changes it completely. Models come and go, that is part of the business, there are still a ton of lower camscored models who make a living off of MFC and have been doing so for quite sometime! Besides... Where would I use all of my awesome emotes if not for MFC? :lol:
Totally agreed! Other camsites may pop up with some great features for either members or models, or both, but I really don't forsee any new site implementing ALL the awesome features that MFC has put into place over the years. The massive emote library, the lounges, the freedom within the community to friend people... it really is like you say "The Social Network for Pervs."

And on the note about the site crashing a lot... it's been a VERY long time since we've had a period of MFC crashi-ness. I've been very happy with the site's stability lately.

Agreed. The few crashes we have had have been super quick restarts and I can only think of a few. We haven't had a down time last more than a few seconds in a very long time.
 
LolasLiger said:
I don't think it is just the members' expectation that have changed. I am seeing a lot more new models joining who have only done a minimum of research into the site, and usually only visited some of the top models. So when they setup their topics on those early days, they set their sights on token targets that are going to be difficult to reach. That seems to result in some new models being less aware that any and all tips are good.

This is something I've said on here in the past. Brand new, never established models need to set their early goals realistically. They can't just start camming and expect to make thousands of tokens in a day, realistically. But, if new models look in top model rooms before signing up, and see some of them making thousands or more in a short amount of time, they may think it's easy.

It isn't.

Top models on any site, not just MFC, have a stable of regulars. It takes time to build up regulars. They have worked the sites long enough to know how to get their goals. That takes time.

New, never cammed before models need to be realistic in how much they want to make while they build up regulars and learn how to work the site to get the most out of non-regulars as well. I don't care if the model is the hottest thing on the planet, if she's never cammed before and no one knows her, and she sets her goals to very high levels, she's bound for disappointment. Especially on MFC with camscore. Sure, the 1k starting camscore will most likely keep a new model on the first page... but if they're on when the 10k+ models are, it's going to be rough to find people to come in and tip or go group/private. And, as we've said, it's very common for members to only browse the top few rows of girls.

It's very rare, though not unheard of, for new models to shoot up in camscore. In some cases they're friends/family members of popular models so the regs from the popular model's room often go greet them with big tips. For example, MissSexyVixen's sister just started this week and is up to 5k camscore or so. And I assume that's from Vixen's regs greeting her. But this is an exception, not the norm.

Even established models can watch their camscore fluctuate a lot. Some months they might shoot up, only to fall back down to 1k or below soon after.

It's a crapshoot, sometimes, being a cam model. Especially on sites where the order one is listed is based off of something as arbitrary (generally speaking) as camscore.
 
CammiStar said:
Great post!

Actually, Aspen now does public penetration cum shows. She never did that before. Penetration type shows were only for groups. I can name 5 top models off the top of my head that never used to do public shows but now do them every time they are on. Now, that doesn't mean that they are doing it to keep up. They could have just decided they like the rush of a public show. Just pointing out the changes and how common public shows are now. :)

Sadly, there are even more that worry and struggle with the decision whether to do them or not to keep up with the trends, even though it is something they may not be comfortable with.

Thanks... I thought I began rambling at some point, so I ended up posting. :p

And, yes, I know Aspen has started doing penetration shows, but you could kind of tell that was coming from a while back. At first she was all about the no penetration rule, but as she became one of the site's top earners, she probably decided MFC wouldn't do anything against her if she did start doing public penetration shows. I mean, Aspen brings in a ton of tokens, which means a ton get bought from the site. So, no matter how much MFC pays out to her, they wouldn't sanction her for breaking most rules because then it would end up costing them money. I think the only rule that would definitely cost her would be the men on cam rule. That seems to be the only rule MFC really tries to enforce.

As for the rush of a public show, I've said before, there's an element of narcissism to camming. Even if it is minimal in most cam models, it's there. That rush of knowing that if you're doing a public show, and there's a thousand people watching, that you know probably 75% or more are masturbating to you is a feeling that can be exhilarating. Just knowing these guys and girls are getting off to you getting off yourself. It makes you feel hot. It makes you feel wanted. It makes you feel sexy. And it makes you feel in control of giving these people sexual pleasure in some form or another. That's narcissism.

Hell, even I get that feeling. And I am not the world's most attractive guy. But I'll get models watching my cam, and even if they're not doing anything sexual at the time, some of them start telling me to get off for them. Sure, they're probably pervs like the members, but it's still a good feeling. I even did a "shower show" with my new HD cam the other day. I let some models I know that I was going to do it, not thinking any would watch. I had like 8 models watching, with 6 of them telling me I should masturbate while in the shower. Shit, even now one model I know is telling me to turn my cam on and fap because she's bored and wants some fun...

And I'll probably do it. Just for the rush. :p
 
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Evvie said:
If there was a website that guaranteed every single model would make $X per hour, models would flood that site until that could no longer possibly be the case.

Just a note, Evvie, PlayboyMegan said she used to work for a site that paid $20 an hour. But it was a flat rate. If you did 3 privates per hour, you still got $20 an hour. If you did 0 privates an hour, you still got $20 an hour. I don't know the name of the site, though.

But, you have to think about that. If you're not popular on that site, you're still making the paid wage. If you were a popular model, though, the site was making far more money on you than they paid out to you. So it works out for the girls who don't get a lot of privates, but basically the girls who bring in the money are paying for the girls who aren't. It probably feels like a more communist type job... no matter how good or bad you are at working there, everyone gets paid the same.

Now, if it was a mix... a flat rate plus extra per private, that might work better for everyone. But I think the flat rate would end up being lower than $20 an hour.
 
So many people seem to take the free part of MyFreeCams literally. It's free in ways some other sites aren't, like allowing the girls to do things in public or even talk to members in public (not every site allows this). It's free in that you get more than a 30 second preview of the model without taking her private. But it's not MyFreeShows, which is what some members seem to think it is; as in they show up and expect the models to start fucking themselves in public chat for nothing.

This is exactly the problem so many guys who come on the site have! They can watch my cam for free, enjoy whatever's going on, but if they want anything more then they have to pay for it because it's extra! I know I've said this in about 5 different posts over the last few days, but the idea that members feel they are owed a show.

Have been some great points! I don't think mfcs is dying, but I think like anything, you're going to get people who do ridiculously well, and some people who struggle horribly, like with actresses, models and even authors etc. I've been on mfcs about a year, I can't tell if it has changed that much, there are a lot of guests/basics though. I do wish there were something that would maybe limit their amount of time in the room without signing up or something, or maybe encourage them to buy tokens! All they seem to do is hold rage for models and get a free wank! It might help lower camscore models get more traffic in their rooms too.
 
Pareto is for "real" bushiness and I believe it as well.. MFC tho.. I'd be very surprised if the numbers held... IMO maybe more like 90/10 if not further askew....
 
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