Is AI already this close to ruining this industry?

[Sashacurves]

So I received this private message on Reddit today and it really got me thinking about the longevity of this industry.

"I apologize for the randomness of this message… And if you aren’t currently doing cam work, then I’m sorry for messaging. But if you are, your feedback on an idea of mine would mean a lot.

I built a platform where you upload 12 images of yourself, then can generate images of yourself doing absolutely anything. If you’ve heard of Lensa, it’s kind of like that but gives way more control.

Here’s the what if idea - what if you could upload 12 images of yourself, then fans could purchase your trained AI model essentially just allowing them to generate explicit images of you. You keep the majority of the money and literally don’t have to do anything else besides upload those 12 images to train your AI model.

Is this something you would actually be open for? If not, why? Maybe I’ve gone crazy thinking it is..

Our thought process is, if we can get 10 models to agree, we’re going to move forward and give them 100% commission when a fan purchases their model and we won’t keep exclusive rights or anything like that.

I appreciate any feedback you have. It’ll seriously shape where we go next. I’d be happy to give you a promo code so you could play around with yourface.app for free and get a better idea of what I’m suggesting. If you’re busy and don’t have time to give some input, I totally understand but I couldn't help but reach out. "

I doubt the technology is really quite there yet to make this convincing enough to catch on right now. But it's gotta be close!

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

Sort of? Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but it is my belief that we are still going to have the upper hand because we possess the human element. It's not just the content, it's the interaction they get with it, and they want to feel like we've done something just for them. At least for some clients, and the majority of my best clients personally. I'm sure there is a market for what this person wants to do. But I don't think it will overrun ours or make us obsolete any time soon. No matter how good AI gets, there will always be people who demand the "real" thing, we sell human connection. AI-produced imagery doesn't replicate that on its own. That's not an equivalent experience.

 

[Sashacurves]

Sort of? Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but it is my belief that we are still going to have the upper hand because we possess the human element. It's not just the content, it's the interaction they get with it, and they want to feel like we've done something just for them. At least for some clients, and the majority of my best clients personally. I'm sure there is a market for what this person wants to do. But I don't think it will overrun ours or make us obsolete any time soon. No matter how good AI gets, there will always be people who demand the "real" thing, we sell human connection. AI-produced imagery doesn't replicate that on its own. That's not an equivalent experience.

That's very true, it might look convincing but I can't imagine it will ever be so good that it's realistic/hard to tell the difference. Especially when it comes down to the details like body shape etc.

I think this got my mind racing so much because I also received a graphic custom video request on ManyVids today (which I rejected and reported) for a full on violent rape scene. Like there was no mistaking it, the guy was deliberately writing "rap" or "raipe" to get past the word censoring. And I put the two together in my head like wow, this is how someone like this could get hold of a video of me doing literally anything they wanted

 

[SMuser69]

Vtubers didn't catch on so I don't see how this won't be more of a gimmick. At the very least if people start using it then no doubt another group will offer 'authentic' services as a counter. I mean you're already hearing about members pushing back on models that have their OF managed by someone else. You can do it but odds are your members will react negatively and you risk your credibility when they understand the truth.

There are so many legal grey areas involving who owns what around this sort of stuff I wouldn't involve myself in it till I was sure I wasn't giving up my likeness for free to someone else.

The uncanny valley is one of the few places the porn industry hasn't yet found a way to move around with success.

 

[rockin_rod]

FWIW my thoughts are that there will be some who are interested in pursuing that, but the majority will want to remain interacting with real performers well into the future. Same way that there's been a number of AI performers on CB (for example) for a long time, they often seem to have high viewer numbers, but maybe it's a case of AI boosting AI?? Personally, does nothing for me, I want to interact with real performers and all the things that define our interactions as human beings.

 

[Vixxen81]

I think only incels would be interested in this and do you really want their money in the first place?

 

[Sashacurves]

I think only incels would be interested in this and do you really want their money in the first place?

Haha I mean yes, I would love to take incels' money. But I get what you mean. Unlikely to lose the well-paying/nice to interact with customers to this kind of thing hopefully

 

[Vixxen81]

Haha I mean yes, I would love to take incels' money. But I get what you mean. Unlikely to lose the well-paying/nice to interact with customers to this kind of thing hopefully

Exactly. Anyone who is interested in manipulating someone else's image for their own gain is pretty scary in my book.

 

[Dan Epstein]

Nope, because AI requires data, and the adult industry lags there for over a decade

 

[KingMarti]

Nope, because AI requires data, and the adult industry lags there for over a decade

Adult industry secures its data better than banks secure their money

In regards to the original post:
would it not make more sense for us to keep the ai model rather than sell it, and have it generate a new image when the member purchases it, you could even set it up so that the member could input the text prompt that would give you way more control of what is being generate since you could set up a "banned words" list that get removed from the prompt.

The issue with licencing out the model directly as I see it is control, it gives the ability for whoever purchases it to create content with your image that could be damaging to your overall brand.... there is also the issue of... they can literally just use thumbnails and images from social media to train their own model anyway, like I get the selling point of the idea from the models perspective but not from a customers perspective.

 

[rockin_rod]

Been thinking about this subject since earlier reply.
One of the aspects of AI that I *think* is probably of significant appeal to some, is the sense of having total control (power) over someone/something's actions.
This applies generally to everyday situations, but likely takes on extra significance when in a sexual context.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

By existing publicly on the internet, and especially the brands we portray, I know we are already putting ourselves out there with the possibility that this can happen. But yeah, beyond my response to the market value of the technology, there are ethical concerns I have when it comes to this specific idea of making myself available to appear in whatever someone else comes up with. That's not a service I would want to promote and sell. I do what I do because I like it and I am consenting to portray myself that way. To me this becomes a difference between brand and object. It becomes overcommodification of something where I view the human element to be most valuable.

 

[MarieElise]

No AI aren't ruining the industry, but models who are watching dudes jerk off for free through their computer screens, certainly are!!

(That was a joke).

 

[Omne35]

It sounds like it only produces a moving image, no interactions or communications. I don't see the appeal since its going to be very limited in what can be done. All it can do is use your physical image in preprogrammed movements so the videos are going to be identical except for the appearance.

Actual AI is problematic when it involves the internet. Unless I'm mistaken pretty much every learning AI that has been put up has been a disaster. Some non-learning AIs are out there more as a gimmick. The problem is learning from thousands of contradictory inputs from normal and seriously abnormal users unless you throw filters in but then it's not really AI.

 

[Diana_Devil]

So I received this private message on Reddit today and it really got me thinking about the longevity of this industry.

"I apologize for the randomness of this message… And if you aren’t currently doing cam work, then I’m sorry for messaging. But if you are, your feedback on an idea of mine would mean a lot.

I built a platform where you upload 12 images of yourself, then can generate images of yourself doing absolutely anything. If you’ve heard of Lensa, it’s kind of like that but gives way more control.

Here’s the what if idea - what if you could upload 12 images of yourself, then fans could purchase your trained AI model essentially just allowing them to generate explicit images of you. You keep the majority of the money and literally don’t have to do anything else besides upload those 12 images to train your AI model.

Is this something you would actually be open for? If not, why? Maybe I’ve gone crazy thinking it is..

Our thought process is, if we can get 10 models to agree, we’re going to move forward and give them 100% commission when a fan purchases their model and we won’t keep exclusive rights or anything like that.

I appreciate any feedback you have. It’ll seriously shape where we go next. I’d be happy to give you a promo code so you could play around with yourface.app for free and get a better idea of what I’m suggesting. If you’re busy and don’t have time to give some input, I totally understand but I couldn't help but reach out. "

I doubt the technology is really quite there yet to make this convincing enough to catch on right now. But it's gotta be close!

I dont see anything bad about it as long as generates sales and i am getting paid .

it will not replace the human model interaction , but there is a very big market for such stuffs so yeah , pasive income its good .

If a few pictures can lead to earnings that come regulary why not. the such costumers money are sitting excelent in our pokets so hell ya why not !

 

[Dan Epstein]

Adult industry secures its data better than banks secure their money

In regards to the original post:
would it not make more sense for us to keep the ai model rather than sell it, and have it generate a new image when the member purchases it, you could even set it up so that the member could input the text prompt that would give you way more control of what is being generate since you could set up a "banned words" list that get removed from the prompt.

The issue with licencing out the model directly as I see it is control, it gives the ability for whoever purchases it to create content with your image that could be damaging to your overall brand.... there is also the issue of... they can literally just use thumbnails and images from social media to train their own model anyway, like I get the selling point of the idea from the models perspective but not from a customers perspective.

I was referring to data as in tracking events and statistics on the website/platform. This is barely if even done by most. Definitely not by MFC or CB, maybe by some clip stores in order to increase session duration.

 

[iva_handfull]

So I received this private message on Reddit today and it really got me thinking about the longevity of this industry.

"I apologize for the randomness of this message… And if you aren’t currently doing cam work, then I’m sorry for messaging. But if you are, your feedback on an idea of mine would mean a lot.

I built a platform where you upload 12 images of yourself, then can generate images of yourself doing absolutely anything. If you’ve heard of Lensa, it’s kind of like that but gives way more control.

Here’s the what if idea - what if you could upload 12 images of yourself, then fans could purchase your trained AI model essentially just allowing them to generate explicit images of you. You keep the majority of the money and literally don’t have to do anything else besides upload those 12 images to train your AI model.

Is this something you would actually be open for? If not, why? Maybe I’ve gone crazy thinking it is..

Our thought process is, if we can get 10 models to agree, we’re going to move forward and give them 100% commission when a fan purchases their model and we won’t keep exclusive rights or anything like that.

I appreciate any feedback you have. It’ll seriously shape where we go next. I’d be happy to give you a promo code so you could play around with yourface.app for free and get a better idea of what I’m suggesting. If you’re busy and don’t have time to give some input, I totally understand but I couldn't help but reach out. "

I doubt the technology is really quite there yet to make this convincing enough to catch on right now. But it's gotta be close!

Lensa retains the rights to use your images as they like after you paid for them.

As well, you are paying to train their AI... meaning that their business model is not just focused on the meager $4 you pay to get some cool pics made.

As the AI technology gets better, there will be more an more creative uses for it that leverage cheap photos that pay for the development of complex and expensive products.

I can only imagine that allowing oneself to be part of this opportunity will include giving up any right to future profits on newer products developed with your likeness.

 

[KingMarti]

I was referring to data as in tracking events and statistics on the website/platform. This is barely if even done by most. Definitely not by MFC or CB, maybe by some clip stores in order to increase session duration.

Yeah, I was too, they keep that data a closely guarded secret, I dont believe they dont track any of it to help them with site optimizations, I am sure the data is there, they just dont like to share.

 

[ArcticKitty]

If I understand the OP reddit quote, it's about AI image generation algos to make porn images. I don't know about any that are dynamic or interactive but I'm sure that even though it's technically possible to do it won't undercut adult webcamming.

It's not a question of technology, as I see it. Automat restaurants started over 100 years ago and they clearly have not been the wave of the future. And there's a notiseable quality difference between a McDonald's and a tablecloth restaurant or even a Dennys. And webcams are about guys turning on and getting off mostly, which is a personal thing.

The biggest issue that I see is image generators training on model's images without credit or compensation. This has been happening with art already. In fact, I first discovered ACF last year by accident while researching intellectual property protection.

 

[ArcticKitty]

Random: I can't wait for the secret CTO/virtual anime drag queen model/Colombian epimp to turn up in this thread...

 

[Sashacurves]

Just so everyone's clear, I wasn't intending to reply to the guy and buy into it!

If I understand the OP reddit quote, it's about AI image generation algos to make porn images. I don't know about any that are dynamic or interactive but I'm sure that even though it's technically possible to do it won't undercut adult webcamming.

I agree it's not going to be an issue for live camming where the interaction is key.

It's not a question of technology, as I see it. Automat restaurants started over 100 years ago and they clearly have not been the wave of the future. And there's a notiseable quality difference between a McDonald's and a tablecloth restaurant or even a Dennys. And webcams are about guys turning on and getting off mostly, which is a personal thing.

The biggest issue that I see is image generators training on model's images without credit or compensation. This has been happening with art already. In fact, I first discovered ACF last year by accident while researching intellectual property protection.

But exactly this - I can see it affecting photo content especially in a consent sense. If his message was right, all it takes is 12 photos and you can put the model in any pose/scenario etc you want. That means 1. other people could be profiting off of us (even more so than the pirate sites already do) 2. people could be inserting us into types of content we wouldn't actually consent to, and 3. that once you've got a few of our pictures, you'd never need to buy/sub again because you can generate your own from what you've got.

I admit the title to this thread was a bit of an exaggeration (I was freaked out by his message!) and it's not like we'll all suddenly be out of business. But it is interesting to think about what might be round the corner...

 

[AudriTwo]

not worried, since we are interactive/actual living person. even vtubers are interactive/actual living people. i would be worried if ai can simulate what we offer.

i'd be worried if you were a model or artist/illustrator. there was this really cool post on Reddit yesterday of realistic One Piece ai generated portraits. i feel like lots of indie smut authors are gonna take advantage of the ability to freely create new cover art.

 

[Maxi]

As a site member I’d hate to think I was interacting with an AI bot rather than a real person.

Totally negates the point for me…

 

[MarieElise]

Same as above for me. When I visit as a member it's not to interact w bots. I straight-up wouldn't ever visit cam sites if bots and AI took over. I'd just stop spending.
With clips and stuff, sure it's cool. I'd buy those, but I'd never get a live show w a bot or AI. Just not appealing to me at all. I can't even see who created it, or know anything about them. Completely impersonal. No thanks.

I could see the trolls and guys who get banned from every other room, for being dehumanizing and abusive, loving that though. So maybe there's a demographic for it lol. I'm sure that's not the only people who'd love it though. But they'd definitely be a chunk. I, for one, wouldn't want those types of people encouraged... but that gets into the territory of ethics.

 

[ArcticKitty]

You will be simulated.


Resistance is futile.

 

[Maxi]

Jesus - imagine the future ACF threads:

“I’ve fallen in love with an AI bot - does it really love me back?“

 

[rockin_rod]

Jesus - imagine the future ACF threads:

“I’ve fallen in love with an AI bot - does it really love me back?“

and
“I’ve fallen in love with an AI bot - is it real?“

 

[Maxi]

Reminds me of that Spike Jonze / Joaquin Phoenix movie where he essentially falls in love with Amazon Elexa.

 

[ArcticKitty]

If chatterbot avatars appealed to a large number of users, cam platforms would change their business models and drop live models and the problems they bring and keep all of the revenue. They're still running sharecropping operations.

 

[ArcticKitty]

But exactly this - I can see it affecting photo content especially in a consent sense. If his message was right, all it takes is 12 photos and you can put the model in any pose/scenario etc you want. That means 1. other people could be profiting off of us (even more so than the pirate sites already do) 2. people could be inserting us into types of content we wouldn't actually consent to, and 3. that once you've got a few of our pictures, you'd never need to buy/sub again because you can generate your own from what you've got.

I admit the title to this thread was a bit of an exaggeration (I was freaked out by his message!) and it's not like we'll all suddenly be out of business. But it is interesting to think about what might be round the corner...

That's pretty much the way I see it. Users could "customise" their own preferences from a model's images, including mixing/merging images of different models. And someone could create their own videos of a model. Some of them will use them for sick fantasies, including morphing models to look underage.