Indie Filmmaker Seeks Model(s) For Legit Vampire Feature

[Nordling]

This sounds interesting and I hope it works out for you and any models who decide to participate.

I am curious why no nudity? It seems to me that most Horror films are R (or PG13) and nudity is part of the genre. If one of my favorite camgirls was doing this and you were hoping to get her fans to help fund it, I'd sort of expect nudity. Even if I had a seen her naked 100 times on MFC it would be different to see her naked in a regular film. I am not saying you remake zombie strippers, just curious.

"...and nudity is part of the genre."

Why do you think that? Certainly nudity occurs in a wide variety of movie genres but isn't part of the genre itself. Nudity is used when it adds in some way to the story, not simply as a way to attract an audience.

"The Story of Mother Teresa!!!! Including Nudity!"

 

[dh6]

Not all horror films have nudity. It's really a very small percentage that do. And most of the time it's just a flash to say, "Look! Titties!" Okay, so you are a female and you have a wonderful, youthful pair of breasts. That's good. So, what about the story?

What was the name of that horror film with Megan Fox? I can't remember because it was made for one reason - to showcase her body.

The Devil's Rejects, on the other hand, used nudity to show the sickness of the people who were committing those murders. There was a reason for it.

If there's no reason for it, why show it? If there is a reason in the story, and the individual girls wanted it, I might go for it. But I'm not turning any story into porn. Because then it would be porn, and there would be no story. LOL.

I'm not familiar with this site or with cam girls, to be honest. Is this a cam girl asking me about this or is it a fan? Just curious. Thanks.

 

[AedanRayne]

It was a fan asking about nudity, not a cam girl.

 

[dh6]

Thanks, Aedan!

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I'm just putting this out there.

Is anyone else thinking it'd be cool to brag to your friends that you knew her 'way back when' her ferret dragged spongebob off cam, or when she got attacked by BloodBoard? Cause I'd totally be down with bragging about something like that if any of you do more stuff like this.

 

[Leon_Omega]

Nudity was only ever "part of the genre" because Drive-in cinema pretty much ran on trying to get audiences to visit through sex appeal and the trend stuck around because no one questioned it.

And Jennifer's Body is a very good indication of why trying to sell horror only through sex appeal makes for a crapy horror story. Not that I don't like boobs (I really did just type that on a camgirl forum, didn't I...) but I watch horror to explore a different part of my brain. That is not to say that one can't combine the two, of course (Morituris comes to mind, which goes to a VERY dark place even before the zombie gladiators show up) but it shouldn't be the driving force.

 

[AedanRayne]

As posted in the new thread...

Del is a great guy and very professional. He's been helpful by answering all of my questions, flexible by taking my input and working with it. I'm excited to be apart of this project!

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18857

 

[AlexEmpire]

There was some good updated information in the new thread that I think is worth noting in this thread if this is the one we are keeping.

I liked that he indicated that he would provide a private hotel with wifi. That makes me more interested in doing something like this.

Del, can you guarantee good upload speeds on the wifi? And if we live in a different location will you provide a flight to your site?

I think this sounds like a very fun opportunity.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Last time I looked through this thread, an idea came to me. Likely as many reasons (or more) not to do it than there are to do it, but for models who wind up working on the film, might it be an idea to give members a chance to win the opportunity to be an extra in a scene that said model is in. Could be a raffle, or a "highest tipper wins" deal, but either way, the money could be split between the model and the film.

Model(s) and film make some extra money/drum up some extra awareness for the whole thing, winning member(s) gets to be in a movie with a model they like. Everyone's a winner. Maybe. There's probably a hundred reasons for it being a terrible idea, but thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Last time I looked through this thread, an idea came to me. Likely as many reasons (or more) not to do it than there are to do it, but for models who wind up working on the film, might it be an idea to give members a chance to win the opportunity to be an extra in a scene that said model is in. Could be a raffle, or a "highest tipper wins" deal, but either way, the money could be split between the model and the film.

Model(s) and film make some extra money/drum up some extra awareness for the whole thing, winning member(s) gets to be in a movie with a model they like. Everyone's a winner. Maybe. There's probably a hundred reasons for it being a terrible idea, but thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

The model would have to be comfortable meeting a member as most are not.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Last time I looked through this thread, an idea came to me. Likely as many reasons (or more) not to do it than there are to do it, but for models who wind up working on the film, might it be an idea to give members a chance to win the opportunity to be an extra in a scene that said model is in. Could be a raffle, or a "highest tipper wins" deal, but either way, the money could be split between the model and the film.

Model(s) and film make some extra money/drum up some extra awareness for the whole thing, winning member(s) gets to be in a movie with a model they like. Everyone's a winner. Maybe. There's probably a hundred reasons for it being a terrible idea, but thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

The model would have to be comfortable meeting a member as most are not.

That they would. But meeting on a busy film set with plenty of other people around might make it a little less awkward. Maybe not though.

 

[Anarah]

This sounds intriguing, especially since I am interested in acting and am currently pursuing a degree in Theater, but I fear there being some kind of catch to this. The way you've presented this is making it sound impossibly easy to me. And what about models who don't have a super large following? What are your stipulations for the girls you are thinking of casting? Do they have to have a certain size following to be considered? Obviously if your big angle is you want more promotion from the models you hire, I assume you really only want well-established models with a large following. Are you willing to consider lesser known models? Do they have to do a certain amount of promotion, or promote in a certain way, have certain results, etc? What are the requirements to be considered? Are you planning on going through any kind of audition process? If not, that sounds a bit strange to me. What if you hire a model and she turns out to be a terrible actress? What are the expenses we will be responsible for and what will be covered? Where and when about will this filming likely occur?

 

[dh6]

Hi, Anarah,

I really tried to be as honest and blatant about this as possible. I've been making films since I was 11 and I'm a LOT older now and don't have time for any b.s. on or off set. I'm focused on making films. The industry has changed and continues to change. There are 14-19 year old kids out there making a million dollars a year putting out crappy 10 minute films every week on YouTube, or talking about this or that game, or giving lifestyle tips. Their fans don't know who Brad Pitt or Jennifer Anniston are, but they know who PewDiePie is (he makes $5 million a year from ad sales on YouTube). The biz has gone sideways. I'm just trying to make it work.

I'm not counting on making the entire budget from what cam girls can drive to the crowd funding campaign. I'm also talking to a few private investors and a couple of minor horror actors/actresses who will also be driving some funding that way.

There are a number of supporting roles and there is a big wedding scene at the end. I've written a few of the roles, such as the part of "Bette" for Aedan, with newcomers in mind. I've worked with actors for over 3 decades and as long as you are willing to trust me then I will do everything I can to help you. And so will the other actors on set. Acting can be an emotional experience. I like everyone on set to have fun, but to stay focused and keep things moving. If we all trust each other and all support each other, then we can get something we can all be proud of. Well, if you're proud of vampires and horror, anyway. And that's the reason we're doing this - because we love doing it. The basic requirements as far as actors go is to look good, memorize your lines, be open to helpful critique, and stay focused when you're on set. There are a few big name actors who can't do that, but they are incredibly pretty boys or girls and they will get picked by a studio every time because of that.

If you have x number of followers, Aedan has another x number, and somebody else has x number, we can probably do just fine with budget. And by fine I mean get enough to cover the expense of flying you out, putting you up, paying you SAG minimum, feeding you, and still make a decent amount to contribute to the film's overall budget.

You should ask Aedan what we've worked out insofar as contract. We came up with an agreed "get" amount for her that she feels comfortable with. I would do the same with anyone. You know your business better than I do, so I'll trust you.

Now, if we don't get enough in budget, I might ask two cam girls to share a room, but I'll bet that's something we can work out.

Someone else asked about wifi connection, I think? My editors on set stream footage (dailies) to myself and the cinematographers every night with very little trouble, so I'm guessing that should not be a problem? If we get the lower end of our budget, our producer's family has got a huge farm in Northern Indiana and we will film there. If we get more than that, we'll look into filming in a state that has a cash back tax incentive, like New Mexico or Washington State. The flight out and back won't be first class, but at least it will be a nice part of the country and they have service.

The other thing is, the standard IndieGoGo campaign runs 2 months. If we put it up on October 1st, that means it will end on December 1st. Northern Indiana is dang cold that time of year. Plus it's the holidays. We probably won't film until March or April, when the weather is a bit nicer.

I understand your concerns and want to help you make your decision as to whether or not something like this is right for you. I think Aedan could better answer regarding promotion. She's shown me she really knows how to promote!

I hope this helps. I just tried attaching the script but this site won't allow me to attach a PDF? So please don't hesitate to email me for a copy and to ask me anything.

In some ways, I think I am asking a lot and have no doubt that this is not for everyone. But I just read something a friend of mine posted on FB. Kerry Stevenson used to be in porn. Her stage name was Angie Savage. Now she's doing low budget horror films. She posted this: "Your past does not determine who you are. Your past prepares you for who you are to become." Everyone has to start somewhere.

All the best,
Del

 

[dh6]

To the person who posted about the contest with a prize of being an extra? With the big wedding scene, that would absolutely be possible.

I think we'd have to set some pretty clear parameters about the winners not knowing where the actors are staying and just doing everything possible to protect your - and the other actresses' - privacy.

But it could work. I agree it would have to be something everyone agreed to.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

This is actually funny seeing this mentioned here because I'm going through these thoughts/discussions about trying to crowdfund my porno musical. So far my idea has been to have one day of shooting dedicated to these roles and having it be the last day of shooting, so even though they know the location it doesn't matter because we'll be gone. The only problem is that that would force us off-set rather quickly after we finish shooting, and realistically we'll probably need some time afterward to tie up some loose threads.

The other idea I'm thinking of is having all these roles shot on-location so that they never even visit the set, but obviously that's not nearly as interesting, and I really would love to give people the option to see everything.

So far I think the best option is to have it be the last day and make sure to hire plenty of security for that and any days afterward we may need for clean-up, etc.


Sorry to threadjack this! I just find it funny that you guys are talking about something I've been thinking about a lot lately! :lol: Maybe a discussion about it will yield better ideas?

Anyway, this sounds like a really cool project! I'm wrapped up in my own so I can't participate, but I love horror movies!

 

[dh6]

Hijack away! Your idea sounds good! Just my 2 cents, but I think you're right to have "security," whether professional or just extra bodies whose only goal is to protect you. There is a reason they're called "fanatics." I've managed a few film festivals with pretty big name celebrities and the very best way to protect someone is to keep their info as private and out of the public as possible.

And too bad we won't have you on the project, but I wish you every success with yours!

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Last time I looked through this thread, an idea came to me. Likely as many reasons (or more) not to do it than there are to do it, but for models who wind up working on the film, might it be an idea to give members a chance to win the opportunity to be an extra in a scene that said model is in. Could be a raffle, or a "highest tipper wins" deal, but either way, the money could be split between the model and the film.

Model(s) and film make some extra money/drum up some extra awareness for the whole thing, winning member(s) gets to be in a movie with a model they like. Everyone's a winner. Maybe. There's probably a hundred reasons for it being a terrible idea, but thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

I think an even simpler way to do this would be to have donation packages where you can "buy" a role and a tour. I think it would probably be best to keep it off site. I don't mind MFC taking 50% of camming tips, but with film you're dealing with much higher numbers and it would probably be a big loss to do it on site. Also, you don't want to have girls camming in exchange for money being raised for the film. I just think it'd probably be simpler to keep them separated.

But I would love to hear others' thoughts on this!

 

[dh6]

Veronica Chaos, the "tour" is a great idea!

For my project, we're using IndieGoGo. You can track donations by referrals (i.e.: cam models), post multiple videos, images, etc.

A model just asked me some really good questions about what is expected of the models. I tried to express this in my original post, but there was a lot to take in and I may not have expressed it properly.

Yes, I am absolutely hoping for an extra push by having a cam girl in the cast. I tweet daily that I'm looking for "cam girls, youtubers and horror stars," because you folks have followers.

One of the most effective ways to make a campaign work in this economy is to have a huge crowd to reach out to.

So if we have an aggregate of 1,000,000 people to reach out to - that means people who are friends or followers or family and is compiled from all our actors and crew - including cam girl models, horror actors, and the odd you tube star - if we have that many people to reach out to, and if only 50,000 people put in $1 each, then we have a very healthy budget to make a really good film.

That's only 5% of the original million people. So yes, I'm looking for a "push." That's as honest as I can be.

But I don't think I'm trying to just simply take advantage of you. I'm offering to take a chance on you - on anyone willing to do this - and have you act and give you a percentage of my profit. I'm the writer/director/co-producer and am putting a lot of my own sweat equity and personal expense into this and every film I do. And I'll have to work hard to help every actor on set understand their character, their motivation, their purpose in each scene, what their character means to the moment and the overall picture. And manage crew, image and "look," and on and on, while doing that. So I'm investing a lot in this, too. I just reached out because it seemed like it might be a good opportunity for anyone who wants to act and do something different and maybe open a new door.

Does this explain better the "why" of my reaching out to you? I hope so. I want to be as honest as possible.

Thank you all for reading this stuff. Appreciate your time.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Will you be paying for the models traveling expenses, food, and hotel room?

 

[dh6]

Yes. That's standard for any SAG actor, and i figure it should be done for you, too.

I can't post a PDF or Word file here - i tried - but if you email me I'll send a sample contract and script.

Thanks,
Del

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Curious: Do actors have to join SAG to be in your film?

 

[dh6]

No. In fact, you can't actually "join" SAG. You have to work in SAG contracted films (ours will be one) for a specific number of hours before you become "SAG eligible." It operates like any union, that way.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

What if you hire a model and she turns out to be a terrible actress?

Part of the fun of these movies is wondering how certain characters even got hired. Terrible can be entertaining.

Probably a stupid question but will those involved be able to use a stage name?

 

[AedanRayne]

What if you hire a model and she turns out to be a terrible actress?

Part of the fun of these movies is wondering how certain characters even got hired. Terrible can be entertaining.

Probably a stupid question but will those involved be able to use a stage name?

I'm using my stage name!

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Yes, I am absolutely hoping for an extra push by having a cam girl in the cast. I tweet daily that I'm looking for "cam girls, youtubers and horror stars," because you folks have followers.

One of the most effective ways to make a campaign work in this economy is to have a huge crowd to reach out to.

So if we have an aggregate of 1,000,000 people to reach out to - that means people who are friends or followers or family and is compiled from all our actors and crew - including cam girl models, horror actors, and the odd you tube star - if we have that many people to reach out to, and if only 50,000 people put in $1 each, then we have a very healthy budget to make a really good film.

That's only 5% of the original million people. So yes, I'm looking for a "push." That's as honest as I can be.

But I don't think I'm trying to just simply take advantage of you. I'm offering to take a chance on you - on anyone willing to do this - and have you act and give you a percentage of my profit. I'm the writer/director/co-producer and am putting a lot of my own sweat equity and personal expense into this and every film I do. And I'll have to work hard to help every actor on set understand their character, their motivation, their purpose in each scene, what their character means to the moment and the overall picture. And manage crew, image and "look," and on and on, while doing that. So I'm investing a lot in this, too. I just reached out because it seemed like it might be a good opportunity for anyone who wants to act and do something different and maybe open a new door.

Does this explain better the "why" of my reaching out to you? I hope so. I want to be as honest as possible.

Thank you all for reading this stuff. Appreciate your time.

This does make sense. Although I had to laugh at concept of profit for a small independent movie.. I've had a number of friends invest in movies (there are some great tax angles) not a single one every made a dollar but it didn't matter cause the generally save $2 in taxes, per $1 in investment. Still I am curious of Camgirl A followers raises 30K and Camgirl B raises 10K and YouTube artist C's follower raises $5K. What does Camgirl A more than the others.

 

[dh6]

These days, if you make the film for a low enough budget, the distributors are extremely interested.

Many indie films don't make any money because the filmmakers don't understand that this is a business. I worked in film distribution at Disney, worked for Lucasfilm, worked in film production for a dozen years in L.A. My most recent feature releases on DVD/BluRay and streaming (Netflix, iTunes, Hulu, Amazon, cable) throughout North America on November 4th.

No one will make any money off it for the first year or so. But it's got great response from the festivals and advance sales, and I have faith in the long tail market.

Most indie filmmakers won't follow up by pushing the PR on their films. I've got a former student who made the film "Munger Road." Great initial response, but he did nothing to pursue further PR. It's out there, available on a lot of outlets, but he's not promoting it. You have to, because no one else is going to do it for you. It's a different business now. And indie films are a lot more hands on.

We'll be doing an IndieGoGo campaign. IndieGoGo tracks donations by referrer. So if you have a link to the IndieGoGo campaign from your page, it records you as the referrer.

We have a contract and in that contract we specify that each model gets a finder's fee of a certain percent.

I hope that answers your question. Very good questions, btw. And good luck to you on your investments!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

My most recent feature releases on DVD/BluRay and streaming (Netflix, iTunes, Hulu, Amazon, cable) throughout North America on November 4th.

Got a title? Want to keep an eye out for it. Anything else you've done available to watch on Netflix?

 

[dh6]

The title of the film I'm casting for is "Don't Save Me."

The other stuff I've done is old, and I don't think streams anywhere. I worked on Critters 3, L.A. Heat, HBO's Ghost Stories series... and a bunch of other stuff that you can get on DVD, but I don't believe any of this is streaming anywhere. More recent stuff is early web series, which I've taken down. And a very, very low budget feature which I've removed from all streaming because a mid-sized studio in L.A. purchased it and is remaking it.

You can check out the trailer for the newest feature here: http://braindamagefilms.com/dvd/horror/ ... ead-girls/

 

[dh6]

Here's the promo art for "Don't Save Me."

 

[Shaun__]

The title of the film I'm casting for is "Don't Save Me."

The other stuff I've done is old, and I don't think streams anywhere. I worked on Critters 3, L.A. Heat, HBO's Ghost Stories series... and a bunch of other stuff that you can get on DVD, but I don't believe any of this is streaming anywhere. More recent stuff is early web series, which I've taken down. And a very, very low budget feature which I've removed from all streaming because a mid-sized studio in L.A. purchased it and is remaking it.

You can check out the trailer for the newest feature here: http://braindamagefilms.com/dvd/horror/ ... ead-girls/

I loved the Critters movies as a kid so much.