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[Picking Around]

sorting models by weight is a horrible idea. So depending on your weight you get special treatment... thats absurd

The sorting by weight would not be default sort, just another way to sort the results. I think it is a valid way to sort, so long as it is not the default when the site loads. Would people agree that if it is not a default way to sort then it would be acceptable to have as an option, or is it a big no?

 

[Picking Around]

I think the name "dicking around" is an odd/unmemorable camming site name.
It hints to nothing about being a camsite and I wouldn't know it was a camsite based on that alone.
It immediately makes me think dick=a site exclusive to models with penises or a gay porn site.

You raise an interesting point! I had a niggle in the back on my mind on the name, your comment has brought that niggle to the front!

The second name i had in mind was Stream Me Now, what are your thoughts on this?

 

[BiancaBaker]

This was my idea.
This is just the same as sorting by location, age or whatever, just catering to a viewer preference.
It could be a sortung option for the customer, I am not saying this should be the default display option.



I am not a native English speaker, but " Dicking Around " sounds a bit unusual for me........ I would go for " Good Times " or " HappyHours " or so.....

No its not the same as sorting by location, sorting by a models weight is ridiculous. I agree with @Serenity_Tam in what she said:
"To add to why sorting by weight is bad... What woman have you ever met who is honest or even knows her weight? And what man actually understands what that weight means. If you must sort by "weight" making a filter for body types would be more accurate. To illustrate I am sure princess mika who is very thin and tall is probably the same weight as I am. I am a foot shorter than her and have the body of a potato. Weight wouldn't be a helpful category for sorting even if a dude were looking for someone who were thin. Body type like "thin, curvy or average" will help someone find a type of body."


Exactly why its a TERRIBLE idea.

 

[BobbyB]

No its not the same as sorting by location, sorting by a models weight is ridiculous. I agree with @Serenity_Tam in what she said:
"To add to why sorting by weight is bad... What woman have you ever met who is honest or even knows her weight? And what man actually understands what that weight means. If you must sort by "weight" making a filter for body types would be more accurate. To illustrate I am sure princess mika who is very thin and tall is probably the same weight as I am. I am a foot shorter than her and have the body of a potato. Weight wouldn't be a helpful category for sorting even if a dude were looking for someone who were thin. Body type like "thin, curvy or average" will help someone find a type of body."


Exactly why its a TERRIBLE idea.

Up to the site owner, was just a suggestion to maket he site more unique and stand out from other sites....
I personally would prefer search options by high and weight....

 

[Picking Around]

Up to the site owner, was just a suggestion to maket he site more unique and stand out from other sites....
I personally would prefer search options by high and weight....

Hi Bobby, i really appreciate your input on this, however i have decided to go with the body type over body weight. I do agree that the type of body would be a better way to categories and display the models over body weight. Who knows though, perhaps we will do a poll and find out! Thanks for your input

 

[BiancaBaker]

It has been well said, we are instead using a filter by body type, instead of sorting by weight

This is still the same thing... Body type, body weight.. SO slim girls or Curvy girls or whatever is going to get special treatment because of there body type. This is NOT okay and worse than a camscore in my opinion, at least with a camscore girls have to work and try and with streammate its based on hours put online, your computer, internet connection and money made, again pretty fair. This is NOT fair because a girl cannot choose her body type sometimes. It's going to put pressure on girls to loose or gain weight because they want better placement. This is still a TERRIBLE idea

 

[Picking Around]

We have a few ways of searching for models. When the website loads, it will display the most popular rooms at first. You can then choose a category, such as Anal, Toys, redhead etc. What i am proposing is to add the body types into the categories section. This will only be applied if those who want to filter that way decide to apply it. It would not be a default way to display the models. Website default is by popularity, then easily switch to Female, Male etc without any filters. Only if you chose to use a filter would this be used.

So this is not putting any more pressure on girls to lose or gain weight than it is go do anal on cam. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[BobbyB]

We have a few ways of searching for models. When the website loads, it will display the most popular rooms at first. You can then choose a category, such as Anal, Toys, redhead etc. What i am proposing is to add the body types into the categories section. This will only be applied if those who want to filter that way decide to apply it. It would not be a default way to display the models. Website default is by popularity, then easily switch to Female, Male etc without any filters. Only if you chose to use a filter would this be used.

So this is not putting any more pressure on girls to lose or gain weight than it is go do anal on cam. Wouldn't you agree?

I don't know the numbers how many users of camsites customize the search, I guess most go with standard options.
But for regulars it can be an incentive to prefer one camsite over the other the more options for a customized search are available.
Actually I would make all info a model provides searchable, so each model can decide which info she is happy to provide.
If she provides no info she will not be included in the specific search.

 

[Picking Around]

Hi Bobby, you are very right. Like i said, i am in it for the long run and understand we could be talking a year or more before we are somewhat accepted. Sorting by weight, very interesting. Will whip this idea off to my developer and have him include it.

EDIT- Weight will not be included as a category. Instead we intend to use body types instead.

 

[Serenity_Tam]

I just want to say.

We don't need competitions to drive us to make money. A large majority of girls tap out on days there are competitions. If a company can afford to pay for competitions they can afford a larger pay out.


Also. As someone actually in the industry most of us have seen a thing. That thing is a dude looking for or expecting things to be free, specifically porn, will never pay. Never.

I think it's really absurd for a company to start and have zero inside knowledge of an industry. It's not like it was ten years ago where employing a former or current industry worker would have been hard. Cam sites are established. The only cam site I believe that will ever be able to stand up to the main three sites is one that starts with consulting from industry folks. Sites come and go and behind the scenes girls quit and bitch about the same inefficiencies in all these sites that start and are clueless to what the women they contract need or want. Because what we keep getting in adult sites is more of the same. One site after another copying business models that suck for us.

 

[Picking Around]

I just want to say.

We don't need competitions to drive us to make money. A large majority of girls tap out on days there are competitions. If a company can afford to pay for competitions they can afford a larger pay out.


Also. As someone actually in the industry most of us have seen a thing. That thing is a dude looking for or expecting things to be free, specifically porn, will never pay. Never.

I think it's really absurd for a company to start and have zero inside knowledge of an industry. It's not like it was ten years ago where employing a former or current industry worker would have been hard. Cam sites are established. The only cam site I believe that will ever be able to stand up to the main three sites is one that starts with consulting from industry folks. Sites come and go and behind the scenes girls quit and bitch about the same inefficiencies in all these sites that start and are clueless to what the women they contract need or want. Because what we keep getting in adult sites is more of the same. One site after another copying business models that suck for us.

Serenity, what you are saying is why i am here. I am here to find out and explore what makes this industry tick. Although i have a site built, it is a framework, a framework that will grow and alter, depending on what people want and feedback.

I am not so naive to think that i am going to crack it on my own without any input, but i am a determined, methodical and approachable person who is genuinely looking to improve the industry and experiences for models. We live in times where it is ever easier to get help and information online, so i am not yet looking to employ anyone from the industry. I am not planning on disappearing or giving it a half the effort it needs either. I am not going anywhere. I have the resources to make change to the way this works, i don't control other cam sites, just my own. I will listen, and learn to what it is you all want and make it a reality.

Just because i already have a cam site, doesn't mean i'm going to tell you how it is, it means i have a framework to build ideas into.

Your feedback here could make a really big difference, not now, not tomorrow, but one day soon.

So, if you want to get involved and have the time, i'm here to listen.

 

[Picking Around]

Ideas that have been discussed in this thread are already live on the site, if it is what you all want and i can make it happen, then i will.

 

[yummybrownfox]

But why do you have THREE different threads on here about your new cam site?

 

[Picking Around]

But why do you have THREE different threads on here about your new cam site?

Lol, because i am.....erm..... organised . I wanted a poll, but realised you needed a new thread for that, then realised the names i put on the poll were not popular and a much better idea was to start another thread with suggestions for names. Can't delete a thread i started, can i?

 

[AmberCutie]

Lol, because i am.....erm..... organised . I wanted a poll, but realised you needed a new thread for that, then realised the names i put on the poll were not popular and a much better idea was to start another thread with suggestions for names. Can't delete a thread i started, can i?

You were looking for the word UNorganized, lol. I closed one of the threads, you now have 2. Please do not create a new thread, nor post your advertisements in other threads.

@Picking Around, your camsite aside, can you please stop editing your previous posts to answer questions farther down in the thread? This thread is a nightmare to read.

I must be doing something wrong, i hit reply and my reply goes all over the show, real sorry for the mess here!

The reason posts seemed out of order is because his account was limited to avoid spamming. So his posts had to wait for myself or Jawbs to approve them, which can cause a lot of confusion and disorganization in a thread. I'm trusting him and removed the limitation for now.

 

[Picking Around]

You were looking for the word UNorganized, lol. I closed one of the threads, you now have 2. Please do not create a new thread, nor post your advertisements in other threads.




The reason posts seemed out of order is because his account was limited to avoid spamming. So his posts had to wait for myself or Jawbs to approve them, which can cause a lot of confusion and disorganization in a thread. I'm trusting him and removed the limitation for now.

It is an honour

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Hi Justjoinedtopost, thanks for your post. The website is owned by a UK company, so the US laws don't apply to this site. However, it is possible to release a statement advising that we will adhere to this particular law. Do you think this would be beneficial to have this somewhere to reassure those visiting from the US? We have a whole different legal framework to adhere to here.

Privacy policy is in the nav footer of the page, it is also mentioned on the registration pages so they can be reviewed before registration is submitted.

Thanks, I see the privacy policy now.

About the 2257, I can only speak for one American; myself. It may seem a little shallow, but I wouldn't even join a site that lacked that reassurance. I'm not suggesting British laws are in any way inferior.

 

[Picking Around]

Thanks, I see the privacy policy now.

About the 2257, I can only speak for one American; myself. It may seem a little shallow, but I wouldn't even join a site that lacked that reassurance. I'm not suggesting British laws are in any way inferior.

You know, i would not have considered that being a problem myself, but there again, i am not under the American laws. I am going to include the voluntary statement, then you can all have reassurance. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[FluffyGalore]

This is still the same thing... Body type, body weight.. SO slim girls or Curvy girls or whatever is going to get special treatment because of there body type. This is NOT okay and worse than a camscore in my opinion, at least with a camscore girls have to work and try and with streammate its based on hours put online, your computer, internet connection and money made, again pretty fair. This is NOT fair because a girl cannot choose her body type sometimes. It's going to put pressure on girls to loose or gain weight because they want better placement. This is still a TERRIBLE idea

I could be wrong but I think what he is saying is he will have an option to filter models by body type, rather than saying if your skinny you will get higher placement on the site.

 

[Picking Around]

I could be wrong but I think what he is saying is he will have an option to filter models by body type, rather than saying if your skinny you will get higher placement on the site.

That's right.

 

[FluffyGalore]

That's right.

Thought so lol.

 

[Picking Around]

Thought so lol.

I can do this all day. But i feel bad for everyone else receiving notifications!

 

[FluffyGalore]

I am going to add my 2 cents to this. I think I get what you are trying to do with this site but it kinda seems like it will end up being an imitation of CB, MFC and Bonga. I could be wrong of course. In my opinion the three big things models are concerned about are payment, traffic and placement. Obviously there are many more but def for me these are the big ones.

So if I was joining a new site I want to know my payments will be on time and that I am getting a good percentage for my hard work. This of course means that guys have to feel they are not paying more on your site than any others otherwise they won't stay. They also need to know that it's a safe site to buy tks etc. And we need to know that our payment info is safe with you. Our cut means nothing unless you have a high amount of paying traffic. And finally placement. No one wants another cam score fiasco like on Mfc. And I personally hate that on streamate you are placed by your internet and as far as I know buy ratings. It bugs my brain that some butt hurt guy can mess with my placement. So here's what I don't understand, why the hell someone hasn't put in place either on a new site or existing ones a way for models to have total control over their own placement. Adult work have a system where you have the option to be placed on the front page by paying 50P an hour. Or you can pay slightly higher and be placed higher on the front page. You don't have to if you don't want to but at least you get the choice and chance to control it if you want to. There are also bids for webcammer of the day and options to feature your profile. I always get loads of paying customers doing this. It takes a load off and makes my job much more enjoyable. Ratings and feedback although great for someone thinking of visiting you don't affect your placement. I know AW is great for UK models and not as popular for Americans, and none of the big international sites do this for their own reasons, so it would be refreshing to have a tks site that had a feature like that. It would allow for a more level playing field whilst introducing models that guys might never have seen otherwise. Feel free of course to disagree, it's just a thought.

 

[Picking Around]

I am going to add my 2 cents to this. I think I get what you are trying to do with this site but it kinda seems like it will end up being an imitation of CB, MFC and Bonga. I could be wrong of course. In my opinion the three big things models are concerned about are payment, traffic and placement. Obviously there are many more but def for me these are the big ones.

So if I was joining a new site I want to know my payments will be on time and that I am getting a good percentage for my hard work. This of course means that guys have to feel they are not paying more on your site than any others otherwise they won't stay. They also need to know that it's a safe site to buy tks etc. And we need to know that our payment info is safe with you. Our cut means nothing unless you have a high amount of paying traffic. And finally placement. No one wants another cam score fiasco like on Mfc. And I personally hate that on streamate you are placed by your internet and as far as I know buy ratings. It bugs my brain that some butt hurt guy can mess with my placement. So here's what I don't understand, why the hell someone hasn't put in place either on a new site or existing ones a way for models to have total control over their own placement. Adult work have a system where you have the option to be placed on the front page by paying 50P an hour. Or you can pay slightly higher and be placed higher on the front page. You don't have to if you don't want to but at least you get the choice and chance to control it if you want to. There are also bids for webcammer of the day and options to feature your profile. I always get loads of paying customers doing this. It takes a load off and makes my job much more enjoyable. Ratings and feedback although great for someone thinking of visiting you don't affect your placement. I know AW is great for UK models and not as popular for Americans, and none of the big international sites do this for their own reasons, so it would be refreshing to have a tks site that had a feature like that. It would allow for a more level playing field whilst introducing models that guys might never have seen otherwise. Feel free of course to disagree, it's just a thought.

The site could well end up being just like MFC/SM/CB - i am on here to find out exactly what you want, that doesn't exist.

You have given me huge food for thought! I love the idea of not letting a bot decide where to place you, but to instead give you control. So, if i understand correct, to allow the models to pay for the top spots, either with money or tokens, perhaps? Allow models to feature profiles and perhaps a random button for viewers who get taken to channels that want to bid for the traffic on the site?For those who are not taking control, is it fair to then rank them by popularity in the moment?

Payment info is safe, we don't collect any card details whatsoever, we use good old CCBILL who are the leader in the industry. I think i could advertise this better on the purchase plans page, Tell them just how safe it is to purchase with us, a good idea?

Before you register on the site, would it be enough to say on the registration page how safe it is, how your payment info is safe etc, or does this need to be communicated elsewhere in another way? Once logged in, it does state how much you will earn, but should this be broadcast publicly on registration pages?

I love the ideas you have put forward and will be discussing them with my developer in the morning for sure

 

[RebelleHart]

This is pretty subjective, but are you married to your colour scheme? The brown-red feels very blah and kind of sad to me. I personally would love like a deep, dark purple. That colour always has such a rich feeling to me. Anyone else have any thoughts on colour?

Something else to consider would maybe hire on a few model consultants. It is great that you are crowdsourcing our info here and as you can see many of us are happy to share our critiques. But a dedicated array of girls from different backgrounds for some extra input would be pretty invaluable.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Very curious about the placement issue. Pretty ignorant about the whole thing, only know what I've picked up skimming this forum.

Do any sites do completely random placement, or has it been tried?

 

[Picking Around]

This is pretty subjective, but are you married to your colour scheme? The brown-red feels very blah and kind of sad to me. I personally would love like a deep, dark purple. That colour always has such a rich feeling to me. Anyone else have any thoughts on colour?

Something else to consider would maybe hire on a few model consultants. It is great that you are crowdsourcing our info here and as you can see many of us are happy to share our critiques. But a dedicated array of girls from different backgrounds for some extra input would be pretty invaluable.

Hi RebelleDoll, i like the colour scheme, but what does everyone else think? Are the deeper colours more enticing to your customers and own tastes? If you have any colour ideas, post them in here so we can have a play about.

I am not against hiring a few models, i think this would be absolutely great. Right now though, as i have started the thread, there would be so many opinions going on. The opinion of someone who wrote it in free will is likely to be very honest, which is what i need right now. I think the best time would be to hire some models for reviewing the whole site once it is completely finished, all ideas implemented.

 

[Picking Around]

Very curious about the placement issue. Pretty ignorant about the whole thing, only know what I've picked up skimming this forum.

Do any sites do completely random placement, or has it been tried?

It's hard to know if it is completely random, i doubt that a site would do it, as they would prefer to put the top earning cams in front of as many people as possible. Do you think it would be a good idea to offer placement packages to the models, so if they wanted to take some control they could? For those that don't chose any packages, they could still be ranked by popularity underneath the placed profiles. What do you think?

 

[Picking Around]

Hi RebelleDoll, i like the colour scheme, but what does everyone else think? Are the deeper colours more enticing to your customers and own tastes? If you have any colour ideas, post them in here so we can have a play about.

I am not against hiring a few models, i think this would be absolutely great. Right now though, as i have started the thread, there would be so many opinions going on. The opinion of someone who wrote it in free will is likely to be very honest, which is what i need right now. I think the best time would be to hire some models for reviewing the whole site once it is completely finished, all ideas implemented.

I quickly had the colour changed very crudely, to a purple, like you suggested. What do people think? Should we be going down the road of deeper colours? Please ignore the remaining red in the photo, it would all be changed, it just isn't possible to change it all for a quick test.

 

[RebelleHart]

I quickly had the colour changed very crudely, to a purple, like you suggested. What do people think? Should we be going down the road of deeper colours? Please ignore the remaining red in the photo, it would all be changed, it just isn't possible to change it all for a quick test. View attachment 65789

Putting the purple there might be a bit much. I was more thinking leaving the background grey/white (looks cleaner imo) and making the menu bar, name, accents, deep purple. But I do like that colour a lot more than the brown/red.