If you could have anything!

[BobsYourUncle]

Hello Ladies,

I am curious to find out your likes and dislikes about your cam networks. I have some investors looking to create a new network, so if you could have anything, or change anything or invent anything new on a cam network - what would it be?

Other than - "lots more money"

Honestly, this is a genuine request with serious investors with big money to build a great network. Problem is I need to find out problems and issues with current networks. So what would your "ultimate" cam network be like?

Thanks - and what a fantastic place Amber has created!

Bob.

 

[LilyMarie]

For me personally, an ideal camsite...

- pays the models at least 50% of what the members spend. I know this isn't actually very common, but having worked on MFC for almost 3 years, I can't imagine anything less

- takes care of illegally uploaded capped shows by sending out DMCAs without making a fuss or ignoring such requests from the model

- generally sides with the model, rather than the member, when there's a dispute; doesn't take money from a model when a member demands a refund. (Of course an exception can be made when the member can prove without doubt that the model has actually scammed him.)

- offers models the freedom to be themselves and show their personality on the site and to try out a big variety of different shows

- at the same time, sets up clear rules and enforces them, so that there is no ongoing confusion about what is allowed and what isn't

- has a customer support that answers models' and members' questions honestly and clearly, without being vague

- is stable without lots of crashes

- has an appealing, modern-looking and self-explanatory layout/design

- offers members many different, clearly visible ways to search for and sort models, whether by their success on the site (think: Camscore) or by other attributes. The default way of sorting (by success, for example) should be able to be easily changed by the members.

- related: gives members the ability to search by physical attributes that are generally of interest (body type, hair color, breast size) as well as by tags

- drastically limits the abilities of non-members or members with free memberships -> I suggest a watching limit of e.g. 10 minutes per day, or a rule that ensures that hardcore shows can only be watched by paying members

- offers members/models PM and mail features, that should go without saying

- offers an internal hosting system where models can upload their videos and pictures which can be downloaded by members immediately after buying them - but this might prove difficult with high quality videos becoming more popular, and with a rising amount of models on the site

- offers at least 2 different pay-per-minute show types, one in which several people are watching, and one in which the model is 1-on-1 with one other member; it would be nice if the model could pick her own prices

- one possible 3rd paid show type: members pay a set amount in advance to get access to a show, which starts as soon as the model's goal is reached (like Gold shows on Streamate)

- offers models the ability to creatively design their own profiles, thus showing personality

(The things I find most important are bold )

 

[BobsYourUncle]

Lily, thank you SOOO much. Its great to get some REAL feedback from an industry veteran like yourself. I take every part of what you mention on board, and I thank you for such a clear and concise approach to what you would like to see.

We need a professional like you on the development team! You don't want a job do you?

If you think of anything else PLEEEEASE let me know.

 

[LilyMarie]

Lily, thank you SOOO much. Its great to get some REAL feedback from an industry veteran like yourself. I take every part of what you mention on board, and I thank you for such a clear and concise approach to what you would like to see.

We need a professional like you on the development team! You don't want a job do you?

If you think of anything else PLEEEEASE let me know.

I definitely wouldn't call myself a "veteran", but you're welcome :-D I just scrambled some things together that I could think of off the top of my head. I hope more models answer in here so that you get varied opinions. I know that for example opinions on what guests/free members should be allowed to see can vary among models.

 

[TicTacToe]

The most important part is to handle payments right. Pay on time every time. Don't block a model's tokens without a SOLID reason. Don't ban models without an explanation, especially near the end of the current pay period. Make payment options easy to find on the site and very clear.

As of the site itself, you have to figure out the kind of site you want. Will it be a social type of site or a pay per time kind of site? Those are two different universes.

 

[BiancaBaker]

I actually would want 60 percent *now that I'm spoiled by kinklive* i also love the fact that Cammodeldirectory offers up to 70 percent if you make a certain amount- which is a great incentive for girls to work harder.

I would love an option like a gold show but maybe a little different where u can have options to extend the show for 5-10 mins when the timer is about to run out. I also would love to see chargebacks ALWAYS covered. Also a place where I can upload my videos/pic sets and sell them through the site and an option for phone sex. I also love the idea of setting prices for private and one for a more exclusive show. Ultimately a site with amazing traffic and paying customers is the most ideal though! I also love how Naked runs a contest everyday rewarding the top girl w a prize of $500 it creates an awesome chance to really push yourself.

 

[TacoBelle]

A phone number. So that we can talk to a real fucking person if/when something goes wrong.

 

[KristinaReapsMe]

Follow-up concerning DMCA requests. It's kinda nerve-wracking to have to send the requests then have to check behind the company to make sure they actually did it. Just shoot me an MFC mail once it's done so I don't have to bother you again. :-D

Dang it, Lily! You took all the good ones.

I'll be back...later.

 

[KylieJacobs]

- It would also be nice to have a cam site that allows you to sell your clips directly off of your profile (and maybe a regular site wide video search feature).

- An option to do scheduled private shows.

- I agree with the gold show option too, and giving the option to extend the show once it's started like suggested above.

 

[LadyLuna]

-Has an easy-to-find FAQ for members
-Has a tutorial for using the features of the site for members
-Has similar things for the models

The most frustrating thing about Streamate is I don't dare actually sign up for an account and accidentally spend something, but I can't figure out what things look like from the member's side, and I haven't been able to find an FAQ to point them to when they ask me questions.

OH! No sneaky sign-ups! If you're going to have the option to make a dating profile, make that a separate signup within model-admin, with lots of notice what the thing is. And for the members, nothing that they have to make sure they uncheck to avoid being charged money. Again, make that something within member options that they can enable after their account has been made if they want to, with lots of notice that it will cost them money and so on. (If you even have such things on the site).

The biggest reason I didn't sign up with Chaturbate was a few months after it launched, it came out that girls who signed up there automatically had a dating profile done for them. Those of us who desire our privacy and anonymity shouldn't have to be on guard to avoid having our information leaked.

Perma-ban. MFC has longest at 60 days, and some models might go away for longer than that sometimes. :whistle: (I don't even try to keep a ban list anymore, when I do cam there regularly, I'm on for a couple months...)

Two levels of friend's list, with the lower one being called something other than friends. (One level for keeping track of people, one for people who are actually friends)

Allow models to put in a reason for the ban if they wish. I would say make such things visible on member profiles, but I could see it causing problems if a model starts lying about the reasons for the bans... At the very least, it might help relieve members wondering "what did I do wrong?"

Please note: I'm only focusing on these things because the staples were already said by Lily.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I actually would want 60 percent *now that I'm spoiled by kinklive* i also love the fact that Cammodeldirectory offers up to 70 percent if you make a certain amount- which is a great incentive for girls to work harder.

The issue with this is that it's unrealistic. Kinklive came from kink.com, an established big name porn site that could afford 60% payouts. Cammodeldirectory is also incomparable because they manage skype shows and don't have the hosting fees. The reason 50% is considered a good cut is because it's extremely expensive to host streaming cams. My favorite site from back in the day was xpeeps that offered 70% but only lasted a season, I'm guessing partially because they couldn't afford to run the site anymore with making only 30%. MFC is able to pay 50% because they don't do the advertising that SM does, which is why SM only pays 35%. I really wish xpeeps would have paid out 50% instead of 70% and still be here today. It was a solid website.

If I could have anything, it would be a website that uses the xpeeps software. It was really really good. There were options for tippers-only shows, private shows, group shows...it worked very well as a social site but with more options, but without all of the bullshit of CB. And it was reliable, for the most part. I was toying around with the idea of opening a camsite a year or so ago and I managed to track down the people that made xpeeps. Complete customization and super solid software, at least on the model's end. I probably sound like an advertisement, but I was just really smitten by the site's streaming software. :lol: I don't have plans to open a camsite anymore but I can PM you the developers if you are interested.

Edit: Nevermind I'll just post them here:

http://www.eyepartner.com/
http://www.jamoncam.org/

 

[BobsYourUncle]

I definitely wouldn't call myself a "veteran", but you're welcome :-D I just scrambled some things together that I could think of off the top of my head. I hope more models answer in here so that you get varied opinions. I know that for example opinions on what guests/free members should be allowed to see can vary among models.

Veteran meant in the nicest possible way

 

[BobsYourUncle]

The most important part is to handle payments right. Pay on time every time. Don't block a model's tokens without a SOLID reason. Don't ban models without an explanation, especially near the end of the current pay period. Make payment options easy to find on the site and very clear.

As of the site itself, you have to figure out the kind of site you want. Will it be a social type of site or a pay per time kind of site? Those are two different universes.

I totally agree 100% - payments must be rock solid and reliable. On time, every time. While we are on this subject, any particular payout types preferred, or not offered that you would like to see offered?

Also to address your other question. We are leaning towards a social type arena.

 

[TicTacToe]

Let each model set the rate for her private shows. Fixed rates are a problem for the models on both extremes of the income graph. For high earning girls it is inconvenient to do private shows if they might earn more in public chat. Some circumvent it by asking for a 4 digit tip before the private begins, but even then, the private can't be too long. For low income models, they could be more competitive if they could offer a lower rate than their counterparts.

Keep it ad free even for non-paying viewers. It is sad to see how Chaturbate (and others) make money off the models through banners without giving them a cut. Perhaps this is part of the reason why their competition system runs on traffic more than tokens earned. If a webcam site does not trust its own business to make a profit and has to rely on third party ads for it then they are not reliable.

Girl only site. this is a reality that you have to consider. If a website allows hardcore shows in public chat, and especially if it has couples, male models, and transexuals, then some of the female models might decide not to cam there. It is a matter of image.

Option for daily pay-outs monthly payouts are a drag, and having 2 pay periods per month is better but still annoying. It would really be awesome if you could cash out your tokens on the way out every day. Aside from the awesomeness that is instant gratification, this would also eliminate the Hunger Games effect on the last day of the pay period as slacker models who only cam the hours before they get paid would then have the option of camming whenever and receiving what they earned right away. It would be a good thing for the community too because instead of doing a desperate 8 hour marathon on the last day they will be able to shake their butt for 30 minutes and then proceed to the corner store for their instant ramen. I know some affiliate programs offered daily payouts back in the day, so it shouldn't be that much of a problem to implement it with models.

 

[BobsYourUncle]

A phone number. So that we can talk to a real fucking person if/when something goes wrong.

Iris, I am amazed other networks don't offer this basic contact method. Thanks for the info - you can bet there will be a real "fucking" person to talk to with us. :hello2:

 

[BobsYourUncle]

Follow-up concerning DMCA requests. It's kinda nerve-wracking to have to send the requests then have to check behind the company to make sure they actually did it. Just shoot me an MFC mail once it's done so I don't have to bother you again. :-D

Dang it, Lily! You took all the good ones.

I'll be back...later.

Agreed, important issue and added to the list! Thanks.

 

[BobsYourUncle]

- It would also be nice to have a cam site that allows you to sell your clips directly off of your profile (and maybe a regular site wide video search feature).

- An option to do scheduled private shows.

- I agree with the gold show option too, and giving the option to extend the show once it's started like suggested above.

I think Chaturbate does this now no? We will indeed be integrating this in. Any specifics on how you would like to see the flow of it?

 

[BobsYourUncle]

-Has an easy-to-find FAQ for members
-Has a tutorial for using the features of the site for members
-Has similar things for the models

The most frustrating thing about Streamate is I don't dare actually sign up for an account and accidentally spend something, but I can't figure out what things look like from the member's side, and I haven't been able to find an FAQ to point them to when they ask me questions.

OH! No sneaky sign-ups! If you're going to have the option to make a dating profile, make that a separate signup within model-admin, with lots of notice what the thing is. And for the members, nothing that they have to make sure they uncheck to avoid being charged money. Again, make that something within member options that they can enable after their account has been made if they want to, with lots of notice that it will cost them money and so on. (If you even have such things on the site).

The biggest reason I didn't sign up with Chaturbate was a few months after it launched, it came out that girls who signed up there automatically had a dating profile done for them. Those of us who desire our privacy and anonymity shouldn't have to be on guard to avoid having our information leaked.

Perma-ban. MFC has longest at 60 days, and some models might go away for longer than that sometimes. :whistle: (I don't even try to keep a ban list anymore, when I do cam there regularly, I'm on for a couple months...)

Two levels of friend's list, with the lower one being called something other than friends. (One level for keeping track of people, one for people who are actually friends)

Allow models to put in a reason for the ban if they wish. I would say make such things visible on member profiles, but I could see it causing problems if a model starts lying about the reasons for the bans... At the very least, it might help relieve members wondering "what did I do wrong?"

Please note: I'm only focusing on these things because the staples were already said by Lily.

Wow, lots of great things here. Thank you Luna!

 

[BobsYourUncle]

http://www.eyepartner.com/
http://www.jamoncam.org/

Veronica, thanks for that feedback. I totally agree with you, and will check out these links.

 

[BobsYourUncle]

Any more lovely ladies out there with any other suggestions, ideas or pet peeves?

Thanks to you all!

 

[Gen]

While we are on this subject, any particular payout types preferred, or not offered that you would like to see offered?

Also to address your other question. We are leaning towards a social type arena.

I love Payoneer and will always work more on sites that offer it than ones who don't. Really any options that can get international (non-US) models their money quickly and cheaply is great. I love that MFC loads my Payoneer card a few hours after the pay period ends, while other sites make you wait for a cheque or pay $40+ for wire transfer fees. I'm not sure if Payoneer is popular in other countries but I think it'd be awesome.

A lot of girls covered important things so just a few that I wanted to add/reiterate.

Incentive for members & models to bring in new members. I know MFC has the Bring-a-Friend link but I would love if more sites offered models an incentive for bringing in new paying members, or for converting basics to premiums (if there's an equivalent on your site). I also like sites that offer models an incentive for bringing in new models, like a percentage of their first month's pay (obviously paid by the site, not by the new model!) as that way the more successful the model is (and therefore valuable to you), the bigger a reward her referrer gets. Or even I know ExtraLunchMoney offers a certain amount of credits when a model posts their first item for sale, and you get 20% of their first sale as well. I think that'd help with initially getting models to sign up, too.

Easy communication between members & models. I know on Streamate you can't send a member a message first (like an email type message), they have to send them to you. I think it's similar on CB? Either way it sucks when someone forgets that they need to message you in order to claim their videos or whatever that you're supposed to send them, then they leave thinking you're a scammer or this site sucks. Something like MFC's mail and PM system would be awesome. (Oh damn, just saw Lily covered this too...but it's important to me!)

Friendly & useful customer/model support. It is soooooo frustrating to email a camsite's support, have them tell you one thing, only to have the next support person tell you the exact opposite. Or the site will do something for you, but tells your friend they can't do it. Have a support team that is crystal clear on their rules/procedures, and who is pleasant to deal with. It shocks me when sites treat their models rudely, considering that any site without models will haemorrhage money (so many have that attitude of "when one goes, another will come"), and obviously it goes without saying that they should be friendly & useful to the customers. This is kind of what Lily said but I think it's super important.

Clean & not-super-tacky looking website. This is just personal preference but I hate the neon pink-and-black websites with stock photos of sultry looking women, or sites that use stupid terms for their payments like "Diva-Coins" or whatever. It should be straight-forward, and not look like it was designed in 1997. (I actually don't mind MFC for this although I know a lot of people hate the palm trees!)

Kudos to you for asking, I'm excited to hear more about your site.

 

[curvyredhead]

Incentive for members & models to bring in new members. I know MFC has the Bring-a-Friend link but I would love if more sites offered models an incentive for bringing in new paying members, or for converting basics to premiums (if there's an equivalent on your site). I also like sites that offer models an incentive for bringing in new models, like a percentage of their first month's pay (obviously paid by the site, not by the new model!) as that way the more successful the model is (and therefore valuable to you), the bigger a reward her referrer gets. Or even I know ExtraLunchMoney offers a certain amount of credits when a model posts their first item for sale, and you get 20% of their first sale as well. I think that'd help with initially getting models to sign up, too.

This so much.

 

[BobsYourUncle]

I love Payoneer and will always work more on sites that offer it than ones who don't. Really any options that can get international (non-US) models their money quickly and cheaply is great. I love that MFC loads my Payoneer card a few hours after the pay period ends, while other sites make you wait for a cheque or pay $40+ for wire transfer fees. I'm not sure if Payoneer is popular in other countries but I think it'd be awesome.

A lot of girls covered important things so just a few that I wanted to add/reiterate.

Incentive for members & models to bring in new members. I know MFC has the Bring-a-Friend link but I would love if more sites offered models an incentive for bringing in new paying members, or for converting basics to premiums (if there's an equivalent on your site). I also like sites that offer models an incentive for bringing in new models, like a percentage of their first month's pay (obviously paid by the site, not by the new model!) as that way the more successful the model is (and therefore valuable to you), the bigger a reward her referrer gets. Or even I know ExtraLunchMoney offers a certain amount of credits when a model posts their first item for sale, and you get 20% of their first sale as well. I think that'd help with initially getting models to sign up, too.

Easy communication between members & models. I know on Streamate you can't send a member a message first (like an email type message), they have to send them to you. I think it's similar on CB? Either way it sucks when someone forgets that they need to message you in order to claim their videos or whatever that you're supposed to send them, then they leave thinking you're a scammer or this site sucks. Something like MFC's mail and PM system would be awesome. (Oh damn, just saw Lily covered this too...but it's important to me!)

Friendly & useful customer/model support. It is soooooo frustrating to email a camsite's support, have them tell you one thing, only to have the next support person tell you the exact opposite. Or the site will do something for you, but tells your friend they can't do it. Have a support team that is crystal clear on their rules/procedures, and who is pleasant to deal with. It shocks me when sites treat their models rudely, considering that any site without models will haemorrhage money (so many have that attitude of "when one goes, another will come"), and obviously it goes without saying that they should be friendly & useful to the customers. This is kind of what Lily said but I think it's super important.

Clean & not-super-tacky looking website. This is just personal preference but I hate the neon pink-and-black websites with stock photos of sultry looking women, or sites that use stupid terms for their payments like "Diva-Coins" or whatever. It should be straight-forward, and not look like it was designed in 1997. (I actually don't mind MFC for this although I know a lot of people hate the palm trees!)

Kudos to you for asking, I'm excited to hear more about your site.

Some great points there Gen:

1) Regarding Payoneer, we will definitely have that option, however you must be doing $5k a month is payouts. So it might take a month or two before we can qualify for that. But be sure we will have it the minute we can.

2) Easy messaging - ok..on the list for me to think about.

3) There will definitely be some good incentives for people to bring in their friends. Do you think something like 5% of their friends earning would do it? Whats your thoughts on a flat rate of $50 or $100 for every friend brought in?

4) Customer support, covered before. We will 100% have a human being readily available to help with anything anyone needs (well educated support team and system).

5) I agree on nice clean, responsive site design. Shame you think tacky names for credits are no good.. we were going for "Super Token, Girl Bux, Credit Crunching Coins, Gold Giving Payment System" - do you think thats too much? (just kidding!)

Thanks again for everything - really is a big help!

 

[BobsYourUncle]

One more question for everyone:

I'm laying it on the line here. No matter how much traffic we are able to purchase to get things rolling, its still going to take some time to build up a good amount of buyers. Obviously its chicken and egg here:

No Girls (or just a few) = No (or little) buyers

No Buyers (or just a few) = No Girls sticking around

Any recommendations on how we can get through those first few months, where we need the girls to stick with us, long enough to start bringing in the regular and repeat buyers?

We will be doing daily cash giveaways, and prizes etc. But I can see a big problem is getting the girls to just bear (bare?) with us while we build things up and get the member base rolling. Some kind of reward system for all those that stuck with us from the early days? Or something.. any ideas on this?

 

[TicTacToe]

One more question for everyone:

I'm laying it on the line here. No matter how much traffic we are able to purchase to get things rolling, its still going to take some time to build up a good amount of buyers. Obviously its chicken and egg here:

No Girls (or just a few) = No (or little) buyers

No Buyers (or just a few) = No Girls sticking around

Any recommendations on how we can get through those first few months, where we need the girls to stick with us, long enough to start bringing in the regular and repeat buyers?

We will be doing daily cash giveaways, and prizes etc. But I can see a big problem is getting the girls to just bear (bare?) with us while we build things up and get the member base rolling. Some kind of reward system for all those that stuck with us from the early days? Or something.. any ideas on this?

Find a handful of good looking girls and offer them a base salary at the beginning.

 

[LilyMarie]

One more question for everyone:

I'm laying it on the line here. No matter how much traffic we are able to purchase to get things rolling, its still going to take some time to build up a good amount of buyers. Obviously its chicken and egg here:

No Girls (or just a few) = No (or little) buyers

No Buyers (or just a few) = No Girls sticking around

Any recommendations on how we can get through those first few months, where we need the girls to stick with us, long enough to start bringing in the regular and repeat buyers?

We will be doing daily cash giveaways, and prizes etc. But I can see a big problem is getting the girls to just bear (bare?) with us while we build things up and get the member base rolling. Some kind of reward system for all those that stuck with us from the early days? Or something.. any ideas on this?

Find a handful of good looking girls and offer them a base salary at the beginning.

Yeah. Because good looks are what truly counts when trying to be successful on a camsite. :roll:

 

[bakersman]

Well, if you're looking for a tacky name for credits you can't do better than "Twatloos".

 

[TicTacToe]

One more question for everyone:

I'm laying it on the line here. No matter how much traffic we are able to purchase to get things rolling, its still going to take some time to build up a good amount of buyers. Obviously its chicken and egg here:

No Girls (or just a few) = No (or little) buyers

No Buyers (or just a few) = No Girls sticking around

Any recommendations on how we can get through those first few months, where we need the girls to stick with us, long enough to start bringing in the regular and repeat buyers?

We will be doing daily cash giveaways, and prizes etc. But I can see a big problem is getting the girls to just bear (bare?) with us while we build things up and get the member base rolling. Some kind of reward system for all those that stuck with us from the early days? Or something.. any ideas on this?

Find a handful of good looking girls and offer them a base salary at the beginning.

Yeah. Because good looks are what truly counts when trying to be successful on a camsite. :roll:

It is not the only thing that counts, but it helps. If you are a new cam site that nobody knows, and you want to keep cam girls interested when there is no traffic, you will need to give them a base salary. If you are going to give girls a salary, and you are a sex website, you might as well look for good looking girls. It gives your site a better image. Personalities will become the main factor once the site has some actual traffic and girls signing up (and staying) on their own initiative.

 

[BobsYourUncle]

Thanks everyone for all your great input. To all the Ladies that so graciously helped out here. Would it be ok to shoot you some information when development gets closer to complete?

 

[CallMeWilliam]

One more question for everyone:

I'm laying it on the line here. No matter how much traffic we are able to purchase to get things rolling, its still going to take some time to build up a good amount of buyers. Obviously its chicken and egg here:

No Girls (or just a few) = No (or little) buyers

No Buyers (or just a few) = No Girls sticking around

Any recommendations on how we can get through those first few months, where we need the girls to stick with us, long enough to start bringing in the regular and repeat buyers?

We will be doing daily cash giveaways, and prizes etc. But I can see a big problem is getting the girls to just bear (bare?) with us while we build things up and get the member base rolling. Some kind of reward system for all those that stuck with us from the early days? Or something.. any ideas on this?

Find a handful of good looking girls and offer them a base salary at the beginning.

Yeah. Because good looks are what truly counts when trying to be successful on a camsite. :roll:

Actually the topic has nothing to do with models being successful but about how the site will be successful. And to that point YES it does matter. Let's face it I would suspect that majority of men browsing model rooms on any cam site it's the looks that get them in the room but may stay because of the social aspect/models personality.

Now you could argue that the sites success has a correlation with the models success but that is probably after the site becomes successful with more variety of members and models.

:twocents-02cents: