I need a models opinion...

[Diamond Dave]

Hello Models,

My name is Dave and I am opening a physical studio in West Palm Beach, FL. I know I know, UGGGHHH, a studio owner, but please, let me reassure you that I am not a scumbag.. I need your opinion on something, here it goes.
Our studio will have 8-10 rooms to start and will be completely secure and will have all new computers HD cameras and high speed internet. Our studio will be very clean and nicely furnished.

We do not take a percentage of your earnings, what you make you keep. The studio will have a booking fee and you will be able to book 5 hour sessions and there will be 4 shifts available ( closed for 1 hour after each session to clean and redress studio room ). We are hoping to attract experienced models who need a place to cam for whatever reason, new BF, roommate , family etc, whatever the reason, we will accommodate you. You can access ANY network you choose. 24/7 customer service

New models, we will offer you training via one of the top networks and WE will handle any problems or questions you may have on your behalf. We will also help you with any social media or branding to help you gain traction and we will also help you navigate different networks should you choose to explore once you feel more comfortable. We promise, we will be there for you for any of your needs and we will even help you with your taxes should you need help.

Models, we understand that studios get a bad rap, we get it, but, not all studio owners are bad because not all people are bad.

The goal is to make money for all of us, we provide you a safe and clean environment in which too do this and help you in any possible way we can. If we help you make money, we hope you will stay with our studio and continue to book with us on a regular basis.

Booking of session time slots will be filled on a first come first booked basis. You will not have to pay us any upfront booking fees, everything is deducted once you are paid. Should you have a bad week, we understand and will work with you as long as you are dedicated and trying, that means showing up for shifts and working your entire shifts.

Ok models, that was the quick version.. PLEASE, give me your feedback on how you feel regarding working at a physical location and only paying a booking fee. Please understand that I am asking your honest opinion on the studio model not how you feel about virtual studios and the absent studio owners. I mean no disrespect when I say that, but, I wanted to make myself clear that I do not want to be categorized when you have never met me or visited my studio. I have nothing but respect for all models and how hard you work and as a male, i understand that we are the overall majority of the customer base and that as males, it is in some of our DNA to be filterless pigs.

I will hank you in advance for you honest replies and I wish for you nothing but success.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Physical studios are typically seen as more useful than virtual studios - since you're providing an actual space, internet, and equipment to the models. I don't know how much demand there is here in the US for physical studios, as many people already have a decent computer and internet connection, but I say that as someone who's always lived with gamers and is used to people seeing a top-of-the-line computer and high-speed internet as valuable expenses. People from other backgrounds may not have these at their disposal.

I would recommend that you ensure that you have a way to be around for a while, such as an alternative revenue stream you can use to keep the place going, if need be, and also that any advice you provide to models comes from a business perspective and what models find works well, rather than a consumer perspective.

 

[Mila_]

What is your question..?

 

[Gen]

Should you have a bad week, we understand and will work with you as long as you are dedicated and trying, that means showing up for shifts and working your entire shifts.

Don’t do this. Be professional and require models to book the space like they would a hotel room. This just opens the door for you being taken advantage of, and also seems way too ambiguous for a business.

i understand that we are the overall majority of the customer base and that as males, it is in some of our DNA to be filterless pigs.

Not really sure what you mean by adding this?

What is your question..?

Also, this.

 

[Keziah]

PLEASE, give me your feedback on how you feel regarding working at a physical location and only paying a booking fee.

Was this the question? To me, paying a booking fee sounds nicer because (I assume) it offers more flexibility. Someone could book a room while they're on vacation in Florida to film clips/cam. Or if you're local, book it for a special show and not have to worry about shitty hotel internet.

But as for daily camming, I don't think there is as big of a need in the US. I like working from home, no commute is my fave perk

 

[JickyJuly]

If you're not taking a percentage, why not avoid using the word studio at all? It sounds like you're offering something more like a booth rental at a salon. I'd probably go out of my way to not be lumped into studio land. Also, do you know what kind of insurance you'll need to run a physical space for sex work? Seems risky liability wise. You'd probably need insurance coverage similar to that of a motel. Sounds more fun in theory than in practice.

 

[Phoenix4987]

In theory, it sounds fair. But I'm seeing a grey area.

If you only intend to charge for the equipment and space available and don't take a percentage of the models income, then the idea of "deducting" a booking fee of their earnings isn't really your business. You don't need access to their earnings from their direct site (s) of choice. Just a contract saying you will pay x amount by x date, not much different than putting a card on file for auto pay on a phone bill.

And if things are on a first come, first serve basis. What happens in the event that you are at maximum capacity as far as space being allocated, but a girl was having a "bad week but is trying her best, etc" and another girl has the $ upfront to reserve space?

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

1. I don't believe it is in men's DNA to be pigs. I think it's the way their mother raised them and when you say things like this it reaffirms this societal idea and continues to feedback loop this kind of behavior as an easy excuse. Stop repeating it and men will eventually stop believing it too.

2. I don't think it is smart to allow payment after services have been rendered. Not all cam girls new or seasoned are going to uphold their end of the bargain, no matter how trustworthy you want to deem us as a whole. Just dont. Do. It. If you're running it hotel style charge up front before they even enter the room. No exceptions.

3. How much are you charging per hour? Will it be sliding scale percentage wise on what has been earned while there? Or a flat fee? If flat fee, how much per hour?

4. If the answer to #3 is fair, I personally think this is a good fair idea. I just wonder if you'll be able to make enough based off of this to even break even.

 

[Magnolia]

Hello Models,

My name is Dave and I am opening a physical studio in West Palm Beach, FL. I know I know, UGGGHHH, a studio owner, but please, let me reassure you that I am not a scumbag.. I need your opinion on something, here it goes.
Our studio will have 8-10 rooms to start and will be completely secure and will have all new computers HD cameras and high speed internet. Our studio will be very clean and nicely furnished.

We do not take a percentage of your earnings, what you make you keep. The studio will have a booking fee and you will be able to book 5 hour sessions and there will be 4 shifts available ( closed for 1 hour after each session to clean and redress studio room ). We are hoping to attract experienced models who need a place to cam for whatever reason, new BF, roommate , family etc, whatever the reason, we will accommodate you. You can access ANY network you choose. 24/7 customer service

New models, we will offer you training via one of the top networks and WE will handle any problems or questions you may have on your behalf. We will also help you with any social media or branding to help you gain traction and we will also help you navigate different networks should you choose to explore once you feel more comfortable. We promise, we will be there for you for any of your needs and we will even help you with your taxes should you need help.

Models, we understand that studios get a bad rap, we get it, but, not all studio owners are bad because not all people are bad.

The goal is to make money for all of us, we provide you a safe and clean environment in which too do this and help you in any possible way we can. If we help you make money, we hope you will stay with our studio and continue to book with us on a regular basis.

Booking of session time slots will be filled on a first come first booked basis. You will not have to pay us any upfront booking fees, everything is deducted once you are paid. Should you have a bad week, we understand and will work with you as long as you are dedicated and trying, that means showing up for shifts and working your entire shifts.

Ok models, that was the quick version.. PLEASE, give me your feedback on how you feel regarding working at a physical location and only paying a booking fee. Please understand that I am asking your honest opinion on the studio model not how you feel about virtual studios and the absent studio owners. I mean no disrespect when I say that, but, I wanted to make myself clear that I do not want to be categorized when you have never met me or visited my studio. I have nothing but respect for all models and how hard you work and as a male, i understand that we are the overall majority of the customer base and that as males, it is in some of our DNA to be filterless pigs.

I will hank you in advance for you honest replies and I wish for you nothing but success.

I'ma be straight with ya: This idea is going to flop in the US, most likely. Put your money somewhere else. Most of the performers that are going to come aren't going to stay as soon as they get enough money to work from home. You're going to get people just passing through which means more chance of people not respecting you or your building. And from a safety perspective I don't see why any performer would want to do that unless you have crazy good security. If your address is public as a business who knows what crazy people would show up there? I wouldn't take the risk. Also haven't heard the greatest things about Florida's porn laws/how they treat strip clubs/etc., so have fun with that. And god forbid someone slips on a lubed up floor and sues the shit out of you, your insurance is going to be outrageous in a place like that.

 

[NoelleBright]

I actually disagree, there are a lot of successful physical studios in the US. These studios are all on the west coast though (Vegas & California) so I have no idea if you will encounter any law issues in Florida.
On sites like MFC you aren't going to find any US cammodels using a studio. On Streamate though, I would say at least 1/4 of the American girls are using a physical studio, if not many more.

 

[Diamond Dave]

I actually disagree, there are a lot of successful physical studios in the US. These studios are all on the west coast though (Vegas & California) so I have no idea if you will encounter any law issues in Florida.
On sites like MFC you aren't going to find any US cammodels using a studio. On Streamate though, I would say at least 1/4 of the American girls are using a physical studio, if not many more.

Thank you for your reply. We are actually basing our model off of a very popular very popular Vegas studio.

 

[Diamond Dave]

1. I don't believe it is in men's DNA to be pigs. I think it's the way their mother raised them and when you say things like this it reaffirms this societal idea and continues to feedback loop this kind of behavior as an easy excuse. Stop repeating it and men will eventually stop believing it too.

2. I don't think it is smart to allow payment after services have been rendered. Not all cam girls new or seasoned are going to uphold their end of the bargain, no matter how trustworthy you want to deem us as a whole. Just dont. Do. It. If you're running it hotel style charge up front before they even enter the room. No exceptions.

3. How much are you charging per hour? Will it be sliding scale percentage wise on what has been earned while there? Or a flat fee? If flat fee, how much per hour?

4. If the answer to #3 is fair, I personally think this is a good fair idea. I just wonder if you'll be able to make enough based off of this to even break even.

Thank you for your reply. We completely appreciate your time.
2. We prefer up front payment,but, like the Vegas studios, we would deduct from weekly payout.

3. We would be charging roughly between $25-$35 per hour. No sliding scale, flat fee only.

4. We think this is a fair price for quality and service.

 

[Diamond Dave]

What is your question..?

Sorry, the question is, what is your opinion on this type of offer AND would you use it should the need arise. What do you think of the idea in general? comments? concerns?

 

[Diamond Dave]

If you're not taking a percentage, why not avoid using the word studio at all? It sounds like you're offering something more like a booth rental at a salon. I'd probably go out of my way to not be lumped into studio land. Also, do you know what kind of insurance you'll need to run a physical space for sex work? Seems risky liability wise. You'd probably need insurance coverage similar to that of a motel. Sounds more fun in theory than in practice.

Thank you for your reply.
I totally see your point regarding the word studio, it is still being considered to not use it, BUT, it is what it is, it is a Webcam Studio.... We are working on a better answer.. As far as the insurance goes, we have that covered.

 

[Diamond Dave]

In theory, it sounds fair. But I'm seeing a grey area.

If you only intend to charge for the equipment and space available and don't take a percentage of the models income, then the idea of "deducting" a booking fee of their earnings isn't really your business. You don't need access to their earnings from their direct site (s) of choice. Just a contract saying you will pay x amount by x date, not much different than putting a card on file for auto pay on a phone bill.

And if things are on a first come, first serve basis. What happens in the event that you are at maximum capacity as far as space being allocated, but a girl was having a "bad week but is trying her best, etc" and another girl has the $ upfront to reserve space?

EXCELLENT response.
Let me see if I can lighten the grey area a little. If YOU, a experienced and established model came to the studio, then absolutely, we would ask that you either pay upfront OR option of deduction from network paid to the studio. We do not prefer direct access to your payout, but, a contract to pay is to risky for many reasons. Simply put, the direct deduct is to guarantee booking fee payment and a option if the model cannot cover the up front cost. We have this option because when the NEW models come we are helping them in every aspect to get started and as the Studio, they would be under a studio account for a training period that is to be determined OR when the model feels comfortable enough. It would be easier on us to not have to deduct and I understand and appreciate your concern regarding their/your earnings privacy.
Your response is a great response and it will be brought to the attention of the Studio team. Thank you again.

 

[Diamond Dave]

I'ma be straight with ya: This idea is going to flop in the US, most likely. Put your money somewhere else. Most of the performers that are going to come aren't going to stay as soon as they get enough money to work from home. You're going to get people just passing through which means more chance of people not respecting you or your building. And from a safety perspective I don't see why any performer would want to do that unless you have crazy good security. If your address is public as a business who knows what crazy people would show up there? I wouldn't take the risk. Also haven't heard the greatest things about Florida's porn laws/how they treat strip clubs/etc., so have fun with that. And god forbid someone slips on a lubed up floor and sues the shit out of you, your insurance is going to be outrageous in a place like that.

Thank you for your reply to my post. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion I do not agree with it. I am already involved in the adult business in Palm Beach county and we are fully aware of the adult business laws here. Thanks again for your response and we only get better when we listen to opinions like yours.

 

[NoelleBright]

3. We would be charging roughly between $25-$35 per hour. No sliding scale, flat fee only.

I would urge you to re-think this and maybe go percentage based. This is way, way too much.
As a physical studio you aren't going to be getting experienced, established models because there is no reason for them to come to you. They would already have their own setups in their own home and have no use for a physical studio. You would be relying solely on new recruits, who, honestly, may only be making $35 dollars an hour to start if that. Many, many models make much less.
Even if a model camming at your studio managed to earn her way into the $100 per hour bracket, you would be taking 25-35% of her earnings. That is insane. If a model pulled five 5 hour shifts a week, you would be taking $625 from her a week and that's if you only charged the $25 an hour. That's a big fat NOPE. Not worth it.

At that point a model is better off renting her own studio apartment separate from her home, and buying her own laptop and internet and she would still be paying less per month for it all.

 

[Diamond Dave]

Was this the question? To me, paying a booking fee sounds nicer because (I assume) it offers more flexibility. Someone could book a room while they're on vacation in Florida to film clips/cam. Or if you're local, book it for a special show and not have to worry about shitty hotel internet.

But as for daily camming, I don't think there is as big of a need in the US. I like working from home, no commute is my fave perk

Thank you Keziah, Your response is partially right on. We already have a couple of adult stars who are interested in using our facility for exactly what you described, but, we are also here for the other models that cannot cam from home OR the newbie who needs the help to get started or the model who needs structure. The majority of the models on this site are established and do not need a facility like ours but we feel that we offer value to others. While you say that in the U.S. there is not as BIG of a need, you are correct, thats why we are a GREAT country, but, there is still a need. Thank you so much for your opinion and taking the time to reply. Very helpful.

 

[Gen]

We have this option because when the NEW models come we are helping them in every aspect to get started and as the Studio, they would be under a studio account for a training period that is to be determined OR when the model feels comfortable enough.

This type of stuff always sounds pimpy to me. What is a “studio account”?

 

[Diamond Dave]

I would urge you to re-think this and maybe go percentage based. This is way, way too much.
As a physical studio you aren't going to be getting experienced, established models because there is no reason for them to come to you. They would already have their own setups in their own home and have no use for a physical studio. You would be relying solely on new recruits, who, honestly, may only be making $35 dollars an hour to start if that. Many, many models make much less.
Even if a model camming at your studio managed to earn her way into the $100 per hour bracket, you would be taking 25-35% of her earnings. That is insane. If a model pulled five 5 hour shifts a week, you would be taking $625 from her a week and that's if you only charged the $25 an hour. That's a big fat NOPE. Not worth it.

At that point a model is better off renting her own studio apartment separate from her home, and buying her own laptop and internet and she would still be paying less per month for it all.

Point taken... Are you aware that in Vegas, the going rate is $150-$300 per booking? depending on how many days you wanted to book? So, if we charged $100 flat fee booking, for a 5 hour shift, you think that is too much? Please remember, not everyone can, does or are able to continue camming from home. I totally appreciate your reply. I need answers and questions like yours to create a better product. In your opinion, what fee structure would be more appealing to you?

 

[Diamond Dave]

This type of stuff always sounds pimpy to me. What is a “studio account”?

Thank you for your reply.. I am sorry if this sounds pimpy to you but that is the wrong choice of words. A studio account is where the new model can come into the facility and log on to the network that we partner with and receive training and guidance. YES, can someone do this from their home by themselves? Absolutely, but not everyone chooses to do so. Any indie can sign in with their direct account should they choose, we offer a studio account to anyone should they choose not to pay booking fees upfront. Pimps take without giving anything in return.I know you did not call us a pimp, just adding that. I am multi tasking as I am typing this so I hope I clarified your reply, if not, please let me know. I cannot offer a better experience without feedback like your, thank you for taking the time.

 

[AudriTwo]

This is a terrible thought. But I'm just loving the idea of a studio filled with hot batshit crazy Florida chicks. Godspeed, sir.

 

[Diamond Dave]

This is a terrible thought. But I'm just loving the idea of a studio filled with hot batshit crazy Florida chicks. Godspeed, sir.

May I ask you why you think this is a terrible thought?

 

[AudriTwo]

May I ask you why you think this is a terrible thought?

I'm imagining bad girls club.

 

[Diamond Dave]

I'm imagining bad girls club.

I got ya....Thank you for your reply.

 

[ExcellaExe]

Point taken... Are you aware that in Vegas, the going rate is $150-$300 per booking? depending on how many days you wanted to book? So, if we charged $100 flat fee booking, for a 5 hour shift, you think that is too much? Please remember, not everyone can, does or are able to continue camming from home. I totally appreciate your reply. I need answers and questions like yours to create a better product. In your opinion, what fee structure would be more appealing to you?

That's a well-established studio, though, that is probably pulling girls that are making the good good hourly rates on SM (or MFC while traveling). And, it's in Vegas where there are a LOT of camgirls and sex workers. It's one of the main hubs of the business. I don't know if Florida is as popular, but I know Vegas and LA are THE PLACES.

You're new. Plus, like others have said, your bread and butter is probably going to be new girls that are still going to be in the $35 an hour range, if that, who can't quite afford a setup yet and need a physical studio. Which is why your product would be needed. Sure, you would get the occasional traveling girl or someone who, for some reason can't perform at their home for a period of time, but your main clientele is going to be that new girl with less than x amount of months worth of work and regulars that doesn't quite know her hustle and is still getting used to the whole thing.

That said, I agree a percentage would probably be better for you until your studio is better known. It makes it less messy. It doesn't even have to be a sliding scale, it can be flat-rate (and probably should be) but it would be better for the girls and would attract more business to you as it would be less of a sticker shock.

 

[EmptyKins]

How are you going to advertise it?

Will you have security?

Is it exclusive to female models or could a random male sign up just to get inside?

I lived all over South Florida including WPB and you'll be riding a very thin line between semi-success and shitshow if you aren't employing a thorough screening process.

 

[MojitosJourney]

I haven't read the thread replies but read the orginal post.

My friend is an escort (not me, for real, a friend) who pays $50 per hour to a couple that rents out their super-nice city condo to escorts. The place is equipped with two german shepherd guard dogs and security cameras. Escorts come in by the hour and they have a safe, clean, upscale place to meet their clients without having to rent a hotel room, or run the safety risk of going to a client's house. It definitely fills an important need.... what you're posting sounds similar, if everything you said is true.

I've seen cam girls post on this forum before saying they don't have a place to cam and does anyone know of a temporary place they could do this? That isn't a "sketchy studio?" So I do think there may be a market for this, but word will have to get around somehow in your local community and you'll have to build trust among the models.

 

[Mila_]

I am thinking about the flat rate vs percentage..

Flat rate: if you charged $25 an hour a model paying for that comfortably needs to make at least twice as much per hour. She needs to make $50. In tokens that means she needs to make about 1000 tokens per hour. On MFC the average camscore is 1000 which means the average model is making roughly 333 tokens per hour. This means only models with a camscore of 3000 will be able to afford your rates, and barely. This might not sound like much to you but since most models start at 1000 and climbing is a slow process you are looking at models with at least 3 months of experience on MFC. Hardworking girls will have had time and money to find their own place by then or quit camming.

Percentage: I don't know what the commission studios take looks like, especially for physical studios, but I am guessing it's far from 50 percent. Probably more around 25 percent of the model's cut. This would mean you get less than you wanted per hour booked, but new models could use your studio and established models working at your studio would give you more than you were asking for in a flat rate scenario, so it hopefully evens out. However this model would give established girls an incentive to leave and you could end up running a NGO for new camgirls. You would have to figure out an attractive deal for established girls that would be so good they want to stay.

 

[Mintx]

Personally? I am not into it. Your whole "men has DNA filterless pigs obv" bothers the shit out of me, as well as models working their full "shift". I already have a job where I have to work my full shift and then some no matter what my personal hell is going like, no matter how much I don't want to put up with strangers being rude and abusive for no reason. I like cam/clip making because whenever I get tired, I can leave one and focus more on the other or anything else that can mean no human contact for a bit.