How to stalk people on the internet

[hornygods]

I'm not sure if this would be insensitive to ask, but how did you find the model anyway, Jim? I'm assuming that it's the same methods as mentioned already in this thread, but if it's something unmentioned, please share. It'll still serve as a good example if it has.

 

[Mirra]

"Hey, I know that you live in Intercourse, PA!" (that really IS a town in PA). :lol:

I know your buggy is black and that you feed the horse that pulls it hay and oats. You also have fabulous quilts. >_>

Now let me go internet stalk some more (Amish) people. >_>

Those silly Amish putting so many identifying details out their on the web. <_<

 

[JimMorrison]

I'm not sure if this would be insensitive to ask, but how did you find the model anyway, Jim? I'm assuming that it's the same methods as mentioned already in this thread, but if it's something unmentioned, please share. It'll still serve as a good example if it has.

Well, at this time, I'll pass it on telling exactly how. However, I will contribute to this thread when I see something new, and I recently did.

Essentially this happened, I'll change the states:

1) I was watching model who says she's from California.
2) Someone mentioned another model in her room and her show.
3) California model was intrigued and wanted to go see.
4) California model poured through the list of models online and couldn't find her, even looking in area sorted by cam score.
5) It soon became obvious they were in the same state, and the other model is confirmed to be in New York, and has that state blocked.

So, both models are in New York.

Similarly, suppose the model begins camming with no states blocked, and later you never see her. You go to her profile because you know her handle, or have her on friends list, and discover you don't have permission to see it. That means she's probably in your state and has blocked it. Yes, this has happened with me before. Now, I can't get much more new information if this model is careless because I can't get in her room, but what if I move, or pass along this info to a friend? Still, if I have more information about her, I am close enough to her if we live in a small state. Maybe I could find her using the methods in this thread.

 

[Anonymous]

"Hey, I know that you live in Intercourse, PA!" (that really IS a town in PA). :lol:

I know your buggy is black and that you feed the horse that pulls it hay and oats. You also have fabulous quilts. >_>

Now let me go internet stalk some more (Amish) people. >_>

Those silly Amish putting so many identifying details out their on the web. <_<

Hi there. You quoted that incorrectly. It was me who made the comment about having seen an "Intercourse, PA" magnet. That wasn't JimMorrison.

 

[MadisonLeigh]

I'm not sure if this would be insensitive to ask, but how did you find the model anyway, Jim? I'm assuming that it's the same methods as mentioned already in this thread, but if it's something unmentioned, please share. It'll still serve as a good example if it has.

Well, at this time, I'll pass it on telling exactly how. However, I will contribute to this thread when I see something new, and I recently did.

Essentially this happened, I'll change the states:

1) I was watching model who says she's from California.
2) Someone mentioned another model in her room and her show.
3) California model was intrigued and wanted to go see.
4) California model poured through the list of models online and couldn't find her, even looking in area sorted by cam score.
5) It soon became obvious they were in the same state, and the other model is confirmed to be in New York, and has that state blocked.

So, both models are in New York.

Similarly, suppose the model begins camming with no states blocked, and later you never see her. You go to her profile because you know her handle, or have her on friends list, and discover you don't have permission to see it. That means she's probably in your state and has blocked it. Yes, this has happened with me before. Now, I can't get much more new information if this model is careless because I can't get in her room, but what if I move, or pass along this info to a friend? Still, if I have more information about her, I am close enough to her if we live in a small state. Maybe I could find her using the methods in this thread.

Some models do block more than one state, for instance if they grew up in one state and moved to another. So that may not be conclusive evidence of where they live. Granted, I did not see the situation you're referring to, and it may have been clear that the model was actually living in NY. But in general I wouldn't take it as proof of anything except that they know someone in that state who they don't want to see them.

 

[JimMorrison]

I'm not sure if this would be insensitive to ask, but how did you find the model anyway, Jim? I'm assuming that it's the same methods as mentioned already in this thread, but if it's something unmentioned, please share. It'll still serve as a good example if it has.

Well, at this time, I'll pass it on telling exactly how. However, I will contribute to this thread when I see something new, and I recently did.

Essentially this happened, I'll change the states:

1) I was watching model who says she's from California.
2) Someone mentioned another model in her room and her show.
3) California model was intrigued and wanted to go see.
4) California model poured through the list of models online and couldn't find her, even looking in area sorted by cam score.
5) It soon became obvious they were in the same state, and the other model is confirmed to be in New York, and has that state blocked.

So, both models are in New York.

Similarly, suppose the model begins camming with no states blocked, and later you never see her. You go to her profile because you know her handle, or have her on friends list, and discover you don't have permission to see it. That means she's probably in your state and has blocked it. Yes, this has happened with me before. Now, I can't get much more new information if this model is careless because I can't get in her room, but what if I move, or pass along this info to a friend? Still, if I have more information about her, I am close enough to her if we live in a small state. Maybe I could find her using the methods in this thread.

Some models do block more than one state, for instance if they grew up in one state and moved to another. So that may not be conclusive evidence of where they live. Granted, I did not see the situation you're referring to, and it may have been clear that the model was actually living in NY. But in general I wouldn't take it as proof of anything except that they know someone in that state who they don't want to see them.

Yes, what you say is true. This is a thread to help keep models safe and I am happy to help in any way I can. I once lived in the same town as a very famous actress. A reliable source told me where she lived, and I knew exactly where it was because of landmarks. It would have been great to meet her, but I just figured I would run into her around town if it was meant to be. Even then, I wouldn't approach her, she is entitled to her privacy. Imagine how she would feel if I walked by her place, she came out, and I rushed up and asked for an autograph. That's her turf. See Helen Hunt in "As Good as it Gets" when Jack Nicholson showed up at her place to ask her to come back to work and wait on him. At least that had a happy ending, he paid her son's doctor bills so she could return to work so he could get back in his routine when dining out.

 

[FifthElephant]

Another risk with Amazon.

I have a teeeny Amazon store, to sell my excess books - I should really put them all to recycling, rather than going through the effort to sell 5% of them - but that's hard for me to do with books.

Anyway.
It would be nearly trivial for me to look at a models wishlist, and add all of the items on it to my store (which now has decent feedback due to shipping out books).

I wait the model is likely to pimp her wishlist, and then enable those items at slightly lower than market prices.

Someone buys an item, I get the models, and the premiums address.

I then either don't ship, and say 'oops, I broke it', or if I can be bothered, order it from some other supplier, and take the 10% hit.

PO boxes are worth it.

 

[UncleThursday]

As far as not liking being lied to, I like the old cliche, "ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies." When asking someone personal information, if you get hurt feelings because you're lied to, you have no one but yourself to blame...the internet is based on anonymity, especially in such venues as cam sites, which attract a particularly nasty group of stalkers/trolls/etcs.

Nobody likes being lied to. IMHO, there is no reason a model should lie. If she feels a question is too personal then she should just say it's none of your business. :twocents-02cents:

So when a guy who has a 2inch. penis is in a private with me on c2c and asks, "Is my dick big?" I should reply, "None of your business?" hahaha

:crybaby: you swore you'd never tell!!!!

:lol:

 

[UncleThursday]

I also wonder what happens to guys who post their full phone number, country code at all, in public chat. I'd not be surprised if more than a few got calls, and not from me or any other model.

While I've never done this, I do know a few models who do or used to do call-in shows. I called in to one and made some jokes.

She lives like 15-20 mins from me. She told me off cam we should meet for a beer or something... but she is batshit crazy, so I never have taken her up on it; she also told me off cam the exact streets she lived on. Last time I talked to her, she drunk dialed me from outside her BF's apartment. That was sometime last year.

So, with her, 3 models have my phone number. But I only regularly talk to one, and she is in Europe, so we talk through Whatsapp.

But, the distinction, is I only give out my Google Voice number, to anyone, not just models. So for US models doing things like giving out numbers and such, I suggest using Google Voice. It has a ton of settings, including the ability to block people and they get a message that the number is no longer in service. Plus, you can choose any area code to put the number in, not just the area you live. And it's free and will link to whatever phone you want it to. For non-US models, well, it's not available outside the US right now.

Otherwise, if you're going to sell your number, be sure it's a second number and make it prepaid, so the worst they can do is get your area code.

Oh, and remember, even if you only use Whatsapp if you sell your number for texting, it still requires a phone number that can be texted to be linked to. Again, in the US, that can be linked to a Google Voice number, and you can get the text on the web page for Google Voice. Mine is linked this way, and I didn't even have cell service on my phone when I linked it, but my GV number worked fine. So you can have a cheap phone with internet and wifi abilities to use just on wifi with your Google Voice and Whatsapp apps on it.

 

[UncleThursday]

I tell everyone the state I live in. One night I got yelled at though because I was talking about the large number of Amish people in my area and one of my regulars pmd me saying that people would figure out where I was from and he made a guess based on the Amish thing but was waaaaay off. lol. I just told him there are Amish all over PA so I dont really think that gives too much away.

Yep, Amish are all over the state. From Philly (there's even Amish selling in the Reading Market there) all the way out by Pittsburgh.

People just assume if you mention Amish, you're only speaking of Lancaster County.

 

[Anonymous]

Otherwise, if you're going to sell your number, be sure it's a second number and make it prepaid, so the worst they can do is get your area code.

With a TRACFONE you can have a phone number with an area code to a different state from your own state. You can be a model living in Texas yet have a phone number with a New York City area code.

 

[GracieHart]

Let me give a few hypotheticals how easy it might be to find a model:

1) She has her window open on a Sunday morning and you hear a distinctive church bell.
2) She mentions it is a 10 minute drive to Wal-Mart.
3) She tells you the make and model of her car, or you see it when she does a road show.
4) She sends you a personal email without using a proxy. You can trace her IP address to within miles of her home.
5) She mentions something news worthy that happened in her neighborhood. That story is searchable.
6) She takes her show to the backyard. "Google Earth" will help you find her if you took a screenshot.

Now, just those 6 things should be enough to find her home whether you are near her or not.

Hey maybe I missed this from previous posts but I'm just curious about number 4 on that list. If I send an email through gmail/yahoo etc to someone from MFC I had assumed there was no way of gauging IP addresses/location from that. Am I incorrect? Will I need to use a proxy whilst sending emails now?

I feel so technologically inadequate when I read posts like this

 

[SNATCH]

I'm not sure if this would be insensitive to ask, but how did you find the model anyway, Jim? I'm assuming that it's the same methods as mentioned already in this thread, but if it's something unmentioned, please share. It'll still serve as a good example if it has.

Well, at this time, I'll pass it on telling exactly how. However, I will contribute to this thread when I see something new, and I recently did.

Essentially this happened, I'll change the states:

1) I was watching model who says she's from California.
2) Someone mentioned another model in her room and her show.
3) California model was intrigued and wanted to go see.
4) California model poured through the list of models online and couldn't find her, even looking in area sorted by cam score.
5) It soon became obvious they were in the same state, and the other model is confirmed to be in New York, and has that state blocked.

So, both models are in New York.

Similarly, suppose the model begins camming with no states blocked, and later you never see her. You go to her profile because you know her handle, or have her on friends list, and discover you don't have permission to see it. That means she's probably in your state and has blocked it. Yes, this has happened with me before. Now, I can't get much more new information if this model is careless because I can't get in her room, but what if I move, or pass along this info to a friend? Still, if I have more information about her, I am close enough to her if we live in a small state. Maybe I could find her using the methods in this thread.

Some models do block more than one state, for instance if they grew up in one state and moved to another. So that may not be conclusive evidence of where they live. Granted, I did not see the situation you're referring to, and it may have been clear that the model was actually living in NY. But in general I wouldn't take it as proof of anything except that they know someone in that state who they don't want to see them.

Also, I have states blocked that I have NEVER lived in, but if I might know a few people there, or have family, BOOM. Blocked.

Otherwise, if you're going to sell your number, be sure it's a second number and make it prepaid, so the worst they can do is get your area code.

With a TRACFONE you can have a phone number with an area code to a different state from your own state. You can be a model living in Texas yet have a phone number with a New York City area code.

My Google voice number that I give out, has a completely different area code. I picked an area code that is well known, && has a lot of people living in it, on purpose, for this reason when giving it out. .

 

[UncleThursday]

Otherwise, if you're going to sell your number, be sure it's a second number and make it prepaid, so the worst they can do is get your area code.

With a TRACFONE you can have a phone number with an area code to a different state from your own state. You can be a model living in Texas yet have a phone number with a New York City area code.

Didn't know that. And Android Tracfones are pretty cheap ($129 for the phone).

So, US models who do give out their number have those choices. Google Voice, with a number in an area code not where you live, or Tracfone with a number not where you live.

My Google voice number that I give out, has a completely different area code. I picked an area code that is well known, && has a lot of people living in it, on purpose, for this reason when giving it out.

Yep. Also good if you move and want your family/friends from back home to be able to call you locally (even though most carriers offer free long distance, anyway). Well, for a real number you'd give out to them, anyway. But, sine you can make multiple GMail accounts, you can have multiple Google Voice numbers, too.

 

[eclipse76]

Good thread, having spend to much time on 4chan, I knew most of them. I would add to be careful if you contact someone with a mail or instant messaging: do not reuse a similar "login name/nickname" on different websites. If the nickname is specific enough, one can track down each website/forum you have ever registered on, and for example, dig for informations in forums you have posted before.
And do not use an email adress tied to your Facebook or old Myspace.

But I have a question for the "experts", what about Skype and Google Voice things? Do they establish direct peer-to-peer connection between the caller and the receiver, which could then reveal the caller IP address with a simple "netstat"?

 

[eclipse76]

→ Oh BIG FUCKING IMPORTANT THING THAT IS MISSING ←

If you use a picture from your own personal Facebook, the filename of the picture will contain numbers that contains your Facebook id:
Example: 87110_174984659457693_100000194824953_614073_7987482_n.jpg
The third number is the facebook ID.
With this, you can access the corresponding profile like this: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000194824953

MyFreeCams renames automatically the image uploaded in their galleries, so no worries there. But I don't know for the others camsite.

But on this forum, if you attach an image, the filename will be shown under the pic! And I've just see such a filename!

So be careful, always rename your Facebook pictures before uploading them anywhere.

 

[LilyMarie]

That's useful, thanks.

→ Oh BIG FUCKING IMPORTANT THING THAT IS MISSING ←

If you use a picture from your own personal Facebook, the filename of the picture will contain numbers that contains your Facebook id:
Example: 87110_174984659457693_100000194824953_614073_7987482_n.jpg
The third number is the facebook ID.
With this, you can access the corresponding profile like this: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000194824953

MyFreeCams renames automatically the image uploaded in their galleries, so no worries there.(...)

But if we have a picture in one of our MFC galleries that we're also using on Facebook, our Facebook profile can be found this way, right? With the Google image search thingy? I think I read something along those lines somewhere. Does it help at all if our Facebook is set to private?

 

[MadisonLeigh]

That's useful, thanks.

→ Oh BIG FUCKING IMPORTANT THING THAT IS MISSING ←

If you use a picture from your own personal Facebook, the filename of the picture will contain numbers that contains your Facebook id:
Example: 87110_174984659457693_100000194824953_614073_7987482_n.jpg
The third number is the facebook ID.
With this, you can access the corresponding profile like this: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000194824953

MyFreeCams renames automatically the image uploaded in their galleries, so no worries there.(...)

But if we have a picture in one of our MFC galleries that we're also using on Facebook, our Facebook profile can be found this way, right? With the Google image search thingy? I think I read something along those lines somewhere. Does it help at all if our Facebook is set to private?

I wouldn't take the risk of using pics from FB, even if it's set to private. Just take different pics for your cam life.

 

[eclipse76]

That's useful, thanks.

→ Oh BIG FUCKING IMPORTANT THING THAT IS MISSING ←

If you use a picture from your own personal Facebook, the filename of the picture will contain numbers that contains your Facebook id:
Example: 87110_174984659457693_100000194824953_614073_7987482_n.jpg
The third number is the facebook ID.
With this, you can access the corresponding profile like this: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000194824953

MyFreeCams renames automatically the image uploaded in their galleries, so no worries there.(...)

But if we have a picture in one of our MFC galleries that we're also using on Facebook, our Facebook profile can be found this way, right? With the Google image search thingy? I think I read something along those lines somewhere. Does it help at all if our Facebook is set to private?

If the picture is accessible publicly, then yes. Otherwise no, because Google needs to have access to it to be able to analyse it.

I wouldn't take the risk of using pics from FB, even if it's set to private. Just take different pics for your cam life.

Indeed, for example you may have given that pic to a friend, who uploaded it in his public Facebook... but that's very far fetched.

 

[Vanessa Jade]

That's useful, thanks.

→ Oh BIG FUCKING IMPORTANT THING THAT IS MISSING ←

If you use a picture from your own personal Facebook, the filename of the picture will contain numbers that contains your Facebook id:
Example: 87110_174984659457693_100000194824953_614073_7987482_n.jpg
The third number is the facebook ID.
With this, you can access the corresponding profile like this: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000194824953

MyFreeCams renames automatically the image uploaded in their galleries, so no worries there.(...)

But if we have a picture in one of our MFC galleries that we're also using on Facebook, our Facebook profile can be found this way, right? With the Google image search thingy? I think I read something along those lines somewhere. Does it help at all if our Facebook is set to private?

I wouldn't take the risk of using pics from FB, even if it's set to private. Just take different pics for your cam life.

This.

I never never never never never never never post pictures on cam sites that I have posted anywhere else, ever.

Besides, my IRL pix are boring as hell. Like "Ooh, look, food. Oh, fun, there's my shoes. Wow, another picture of my cat."

 

[KristinKervz]

Don't be dumb like me and almost tweet a pic of your puppy while she's wearing her little charm with your address engraved in it! LoL

 

[Rileyster]

Don't be dumb like me and almost tweet a pic of your puppy while she's wearing her little charm with your address engraved in it! LoL

Yes, lol. I always make sure to either hold the charm with my hand, or I look at the picture itself and make sure it's turned away. Same thing with rabies tags.. They have serial numbers on them in certain places!

 

[rjsincs]

Great thread and great forum! I don't think its been mentioned here yet but model or not you should never ever say on facebook: im going on vacation tomorrow for a week. Or I won't be home at such and such a time. I always see people on facebook saying they are going somewhere and the house will be totally vacant at this time. Always mention it after the fact. As seen in this thread it's way to easy to find someone or their address and people with bad intentions could use that to break in or do other things.

 

[FifthElephant]

Don't be dumb like me and almost tweet a pic of your puppy while she's wearing her little charm with your address engraved in it! LoL

As a general point - the stupidly high resolution of modern cameras can mean that if you zoom way in, you can often see things that are almost invisible to the naked eye on a casual glance at the picture.

Do not trust that that letter on the desk over there isn't readable.

- can you see the space station in this pic?
(may need to use the link - http://legault.perso.sfr.fr/transit_tia ... 120511.jpg if the forum shrinks)
(not strictly on-topic)

It's a little above the centreline of the sun, about a third from the left[/size]

 

[MadJohnson]

But I have a question for the "experts", what about Skype and Google Voice things? Do they establish direct peer-to-peer connection between the caller and the receiver, which could then reveal the caller IP address with a simple "netstat"?

Google Voice is a PSTN telephony service to, essentially, forward calls from one phone number to another. It cannot easily be used to track you.

Skype is probably best compared to Google Talk Video or Yahoo video chat. All three of those services use peer-to-peer technology, when possible. So, in many cases, they will give out your IP address. Though you could theoretically try to use a proxy to avoid that, it's not always feasible.

There's also a new service called Google Hangouts which doesn't use peer-to-peer technology and should be safer for video chatting. It also has the nice property that it's entirely online and doesn't require any software. The one downside there is that you'd need a Google+ account, which is free but it's like setting up a Facebook profile using your model identity.

-MadJohnson

P.S.: The above statements regarding non-traceability are generally true for most people. However, they do not apply to nation states or law enforcement. All US-based carriers and providers comply with lawful intercept orders.

 

[MadJohnson]

But, the distinction, is I only give out my Google Voice number, to anyone, not just models. So for US models doing things like giving out numbers and such, I suggest using Google Voice. It has a ton of settings, including the ability to block people and they get a message that the number is no longer in service. Plus, you can choose any area code to put the number in, not just the area you live. And it's free and will link to whatever phone you want it to. For non-US models, well, it's not available outside the US right now.

Google Voice is great for most calling / texting needs and I too would strongly recommend it if you want to give out your number. However, there are a few suggestions I'd make for using it.

Google Voice has the ability to "announce" calls to you before you accept them (requiring you to press the 1 key to accept the call). I strongly recommend this feature if you're using it for modeling. It means that you can safely answer the phone and not be surprised suddenly by it being a member/client calling without you explicitly agreeing to take the call.

The second reason for turning on the announcement feature is, with some cell phone carriers, the voicemail for your phone picks up before Google Voice will transfer the call to its own voicemail system. If that happens, your real number might leak out. Requiring 1 to accept the call will prevent that.

Finally, Google Voice has one well-publicized drawback which has also been discussed here. It doesn't support MMS (picture messaging). If you want to use Google Voice and also exchange photos with people, you'll probably need to use e-mail to do so.

-MadJohnson

 

[MadJohnson]

Let me give a few hypotheticals how easy it might be to find a model:

1) She has her window open on a Sunday morning and you hear a distinctive church bell.
2) She mentions it is a 10 minute drive to Wal-Mart.
3) She tells you the make and model of her car, or you see it when she does a road show.
4) She sends you a personal email without using a proxy. You can trace her IP address to within miles of her home.
5) She mentions something news worthy that happened in her neighborhood. That story is searchable.
6) She takes her show to the backyard. "Google Earth" will help you find her if you took a screenshot.

Now, just those 6 things should be enough to find her home whether you are near her or not.

Hey maybe I missed this from previous posts but I'm just curious about number 4 on that list. If I send an email through gmail/yahoo etc to someone from MFC I had assumed there was no way of gauging IP addresses/location from that. Am I incorrect? Will I need to use a proxy whilst sending emails now?

Making that assumption isn't really a good idea. Yahoo will definitely insert your IP address anytime you send a message through your Yahoo mail account. GMail currently doesn't do so, so long as you only use the web interface. I'm not sure about Hotmail or other mail providers, but inserting the client IP into outbound e-mail is a pretty common practice.

In general, if you want pseudonymity when sending e-mails, either use a proxy or use GMail through the web interface.

I feel so technologically inadequate when I read posts like this

Aww, you shouldn't! Everyone has his or her strengths. Plus, a lot of this stuff is highly complex.

-MadJohnson

 

[Anonymous]

You should never ever say on facebook: im going on vacation tomorrow for a week. Or I won't be home at such and such a time. I always see people on facebook saying they are going somewhere and the house will be totally vacant at this time. Always mention it after the fact. As seen in this thread it's way to easy to find someone or their address and people with bad intentions could use that to break in or do other things.

My dad worked with a guy who had this happen. The guy's daughter announced on FB that they'd be out of town, and their house was broken into.

 

[rjsincs]

You should never ever say on facebook: im going on vacation tomorrow for a week. Or I won't be home at such and such a time. I always see people on facebook saying they are going somewhere and the house will be totally vacant at this time. Always mention it after the fact. As seen in this thread it's way to easy to find someone or their address and people with bad intentions could use that to break in or do other things.

My dad worked with a guy who had this happen. The guy's daughter announced on FB that they'd be out of town, and their house was broken into.

Ya I had heard a lot of that going on. You get complacent with your "friends" on facebook and what you say. Your "friends" may be horrible horrible people and you learn too late. Better safe than sorry.

 

[LadyLuna]

Last night, I had someone pinpoint my timezone because it was dark out, and the rest of the country was still in sunset.

Luckily, I don't lie about my location, and my time zone is one of three pieces of information I will give. (USA, Eastern Timezone, Northern Half) I mention this because the way he said it, was saying where I was first, and when I seemed slightly confused (My confusion was I caught a little bit of pride from him, and was like "wait, I say this information at least three times a night, why is he so proud of knowing it?" but all I really said was "yes, and?"), he revealed how he knew.

What he expected to get from that, I don't know.