How do you feel about other models scamming members?

[TheRockSays]

I'm new. I set up an account here to get some thoughts and feedback. But then, I thought better of it and decided not to post. But then curiosity got the best of me, and I'm really trying to make sense of this all.

Sorry, this is going to be a long background story.

I tipped a particular MFC model back in September. I was a regular in her room for several months. This was 20k in tokens to be her high tip, and win a meet up with her in Vegas or Los Angeles. I figured, might as well, I have the funds, and I'm in the LA area for work all of the time anyway. So I tipped her the tokens. Between September 2016 and January 2017, we were regularly exchanging text messages (I have her cell phone number), skype chats, snatchat mssgs, kik mssgs, twitter and instagram DMs, and of course I was always a regular in her chat room. Over a 4+ month period, she received over $5,000 from me in tips, Amazon gifts, giftcards, etc.

The original plan was that I would treat her to a day at Disneyland. Of course the caveat was that if she was uncomfortable, she had the right to bail out. To help reassure her that everything would be safe, I told her that she could also invite a friend, so she would never be totally alone with me. She took me up on that. Unfortunately, she invited another model. This other girl decided to use it as an opportunity to make money for herself, sold a date, didn't disclose that there was another model and member involved. This other member threw a fit, and claimed that he was being ripped off. For all of the possible solutions...refunding this other guy's money, the two models simply splitting up at the park, giving this guy an alternate date out; the two girls decided that they would honor that guy's Disneyland day out, and I was informed that I was cut out, but that she would spend a day with me doing something else.

That should have sent off warning signs, that there was something seriously wrong with all of this. But I didn't want to be the bad guy or possibly come off like I was creepy; so I accepted it for what it was and came up with several different options for alternative plans. I suggested Catalina Island, Santa Monica Pier, Universal Studios, among other things; which she seemed very positive about. I thought everything was good.

I heard from her every day while she was in Vegas at the AVNs. Once she got to Los Angeles, I sent her a message asking her what day would be good for her, and did she have a specific preference on what she would like to do. I have confirmation that she read it, but she never responded back. I sent her follow up messages on her phone and her snapchat mssgs; she stopped looking at her messages from me. Instead, I got to see all of her snaps where she spent over two weeks in Los Angeles with the other model going to all of the places that I had suggested that we could check out.

I've chosen not to reveal to anyone who she is. I just figured, I have nothing to gain from it. Its all said and done. And I've seen in the past where models that have scammed guys, were actually defended when members have tried to expose them for the frauds that they have committed. I still have no explanation why she did what she did. I would really like to understand what happened. There's a part of me that wants to give her the benefit of the doubt, but common sense is telling me that she got over on me, and honestly doesn't give a shit.

So when things like this happen, do other models want to know who these models are that are ruining it for other girls in the industry? Do they not care? Is it worth it to call her out? Or am I doing the right thing by simply not saying anything, not exposing her, and just moving on as a lesson learned?

 

[KrisMay]

I was hoping someone would address this, since I was curious myself to see how others would respond.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that everything you're saying is true, here is my perspective.

1. Whenever a member is scammed by a model, it's just as bad as the models getting scammed by members. My suspicion is that there are a lot of members that didn't get what they paid for, and many of them never spent another dime. These types of things affect the rest of us. There are enough freeloaders out there already, that we don't need models scamming guys to the point where they stop spending and join the freeloader club. Count me as one of the people that do care when things like this happen.

2. Whether this model was gaming you all along, or just decided to back out. If you haven't heard from her by now, then you never will. If she was an ethical person, she would at a bare minimum offer you some explanation, and find some way to compensate you for taking something and not delivering in return. To be brutally honest, don't hold your breath on getting anything from her. It sounds like you had the misfortune of encountering one of the bad apples in the industry.

3. While this doesn't help you any, you have my sympathies. When I was new and somewhat naive, I was scammed by a member. There's nothing worse than getting ripped off, and questioning whether you were naive and should have seen it coming.

4. Last, should you out her? There isn't a simple answer to that question. A well established model with a big following won't likely be affected. She may very well have a number of model friends and regular members that won't believe you, and will simply come to her defense. Whatever you decide to do, it's really your decision. In an imperfect situation like this, there isn't a perfect solution.

 

[Serenity_Tam]

Never out a model. Period. It is a simple answer. Unless someone comes to you and asks privately outing a model will never end well. It won't fix your feelings or get your money back. If you really want the money back you can ask mfc about a refund. But outing her does nothing but work against you.

In your post you said she could bail at anytime if she was uncomfortable. Perhaps that's what happened. We only have one side of the story. I think that's important to remember. The readers of this post have no idea what actually may have conspired and the OP could have freaked her out, in which case she owes him nothing.

It is always shitty when someone scams anyone. I don't think I've ever read anything here where models were happy someone got scammed. And if that's what happened I'm sorry for it. It sucks. There is a reason MFC advocates that tokens are gifts for what you see in the moment.

I know this won't help you OP but there are ways to lessen the risk of getting ghosted:
20k tokens for an automatic meet up isn't much. For me that wouldn't even cover my flight to California. Soo it already seems sketch because it's too damn cheap.
Only do stuff with reputable girls. See how her regs react and interact to/with her and her relationship with other models.

I'm sorry you feel scammed, it's sucky but unfortunately the best thing you can do is find a more trust worthy gal. It's definitely a rare occurrence when/if a reputable cam gal is working a scam.

 

[MFCGod]

Even if you did publicly come out and say she scammed you, all she has to do is say "he made me feel uncomfortable" and everyone will nod and say that it's fine she didn't meet you, whether it's actually true or not.

What you may never know is if she truly planned to fulfill the date

I had the opportunity to meet a model I liked at a convention in London, I planned to go, I wanted to go, but I have anxiety and at the last minute I pussied out

Is it possible she planned to meet you but then didn't feel up to it? it's hard to be honest sometimes

 

[Phoenix4987]

From my perspective 20k tokens for automatic meetup isn't even all that much #1 and #2 leaves you open to this kind of exploitation. If there was specifically money involved in getting someone to meet me, then that $ isn't going to show until they've met me. That's how I would play that game, if that's what you really wanted was a time at Disneyland or whatever. If your intentions were perhaps more insidious, then you've played the game all wrong. And this is a lesson to learn.

Outing a model isn't in your favor at all. How easy is it for the beautiful and sexy model that everyone wants to say anything to turn everybody against you? Too easy. And who are members going to believe? The unknown member who did something horrible to the model or the nice and beautiful person they all know and spend their money on for attention?

In this game, you either win or lose. You either sift through the thousands of models and finally find someone that will offer or give you the opportunity to give you what you really want, you accept that most of the models are just cam models only and accept your interactions at face value only or after many tests prove to each other both of you are the real deal, or you land in the situation you're in now whether it's believing they'll meet you, date you, etc etc. Nothing more.

TL;DR. Some models work on the outside, most work as just cammers. Some scam, many don't. Welcome to reality where just throwing money around doesn't always get you what you want. You have to learn how to play the game with the right people. And everybody plays it different. Good luck.

 

[TheRockSays]

I appreciate the feedback that some of you have offered. Much of it was expected. Some of it provided some insight that I hadn't thought of before.

I can say that I haven't publicly outed her. Everything stated is absolutely the truth. There is nothing for me to gain by lying since every party's identity has not been revealed.

I do realize that there could be backlash if I out her. A few things though, she's not well known. She's not a Top 20 or even a Top 100 girl. She's been on the site for just slightly over a year, and to date I had given her more than any other member. To some of the more established models, it may not have seemed like much that I gave her. But to her, she had said that I had given her more than anyone ever had. She already had plans to be in Vegas and in California. So she wasn't spending extra money or going out of her way to be in LA. She wouldn't have been spending more money for a meet up. This was to be just a simple, let's hang out, there were no other motives. My only thoughts on revealing the scam was to save some other guy from getting ripped off. I'm not expecting any money back. I know that's just not going to happen. But I figured that if even just one guy would get saved from getting scammed, it might still be worth whatever backlash that I might receive.

"See how her regs react and interact to/with her and her relationship with other models." ---This was something that I should have paid close attention to. The warning signs were there. She has a bad relationship with a model that is consistently in the Top 20. I happen to be one of that model's regulars, and know her to be legitimate with members, and overall a good person. She has a grudge against another model that dates back to the 2016 AVNs over what appears to be a misunderstanding. She had also been lurking as a Guest in another model's room, and cursed me out when she saw me tipping this other model. What is surprising is that this is a model that she knows and has interacted with. I thought they were friends. She deleted a bunch of members off her forever Snaps because she thought that they showed up at the AVNs and didn't come by the MFC booth and say hi to her.

 

[KrisMay]

Ok, again I waited to see if anyone would respond. But since no one did, here goes:


1. There is something of a sorority that has formed, particularly on this forum. Many of the models will protect each other unconditionally. If a model gets scammed and outs a member, they will side with her without proof. But if a member is scammed and tries to out a model, other models will automatically assume that the member is in the wrong or lying. Its a flawed system, but it is what it is.


2. If you choose to out this girl in hopes of sparing one member from getting scammed, see #1. A lot of models will turn on you. I've contacted you directly. I've given you the benefit of the doubt. Show me proof. Just know that a lot of members will come to her defense thinking that they're going to score points with her, and that is on top of all the models that will automatically take her side (again, see #1).


3. I will leave you with this, and forgive me for being blunt. All of those warning signs that you said you received, if that didn't tell you 'Don't walk away, run', then I don't know what else to tell you. There is a difference between being a nice guy and being a f**kboy. It sounds like you got played for being a f**kboy. Just as no model is owned by any one member. No member should feel like he is owned by one model. If you felt that way, and allowed her to do that to you, then you allowed her to make you her f**k boy.


You have the benefit of the doubt from me. Send me proof.

 

[ExcellaExe]

Ok, again I waited to see if anyone would respond. But since no one did, here goes:


1. There is something of a sorority that has formed, particularly on this forum. Many of the models will protect each other unconditionally. If a model gets scammed and outs a member, they will side with her without proof. But if a member is scammed and tries to out a model, other models will automatically assume that the member is in the wrong or lying. Its a flawed system, but it is what it is.


2. If you choose to out this girl in hopes of sparing one member from getting scammed, see #1. A lot of models will turn on you. I've contacted you directly. I've given you the benefit of the doubt. Show me proof. Just know that a lot of members will come to her defense thinking that they're going to score points with her, and that is on top of all the models that will automatically take her side (again, see #1).


3. I will leave you with this, and forgive me for being blunt. All of those warning signs that you said you received, if that didn't tell you 'Don't walk away, run', then I don't know what else to tell you. There is a difference between being a nice guy and being a f**kboy. It sounds like you got played for being a f**kboy. Just as no model is owned by any one member. No member should feel like he is owned by one model. If you felt that way, and allowed her to do that to you, then you allowed her to make you her f**k boy.


You have the benefit of the doubt from me. Send me proof.

Really? I see models disagreeing with each other all the time. i also see members disagreeing with models, sometimes vehemently, quite often as well--especially in our forums that have to do with politics and current events. I've personally gotten into fairly heated debates on here.

As to the topic of conversation, I don't like when girls scam a member. I can't say for sure if she scammed you or not, she could have an anxiety disorder and freaked out last minute--but even then she should have offered to compensate you somehow. Such as custom content or access to all her vids for a year, etc. When other girls do this, getting someone to tip bomb without delivering-even unintentionally because we can't really know what happened-it hurts all camgirls and makes members wary of tipping again.

 

[AmberCutie]

@TheRockSays @KrisMay

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