Groups and privates

[MandyMetal]

I normally do public shows because privates tend to be exhausting, and I normally make way more in public cum shows than I do in groups.

However, I am going to start doing privates every now and then b/c I think it may be fun to be one on one with some of my members. I hate being taken private when the guy just leaved after a few minutes. I know it's not me. I'm just wondering if there is anything you ladies do to avoid that?

Members: What makes you want to go in to a group? I can pull a thousand people during one of my cum shows, but when it comes to groups.....idk i think there is more to it than that. I don't think it's just the allure of the cum show that makes people go group. Any hints?

I really want to try it out, b/c i ge a lot of requests for group, but I've always felt a little pressure and rushed in group. Just looking for some member experience, and input.

Thanks guys!

 

[LilyMarie]

I hate being taken private when the guy just leaved after a few minutes. I know it's not me. I'm just wondering if there is anything you ladies do to avoid that?

I make people tell me in PM a bit about what they're looking for in a private show. Usually it's easy to tell if someone's already really close to cumming and you can imagine that the private will be over fast; I just don't do privates with those people.
My profile also says that my minimum for privates is 400 tokens. I remind them of this in the PM, too. It's happened I think twice in the past year or so that people left a private before the 400 tokens were up without explaining what happened, and they got banned.

I wish there was an option to set a minimum on MFC that the member gets informed of before initiating a private, so that the 400 tokens for example automatically get deducted from his account as soon as the private starts, and then if he stays for longer than those 5 minutes (or 6.7 minutes in a non-TruePrivate), more tokens get deducted according to the time.

 

[pg240]

I'm not sure what the appeal is for groups unless it's with a model who is non-nude in public. It may be that some guys just like to enjoy what they're paying for without a bunch of freeloaders tagging along without contributing. Or maybe they feel a closer connection with the model in a small group.

 

[LilyMarie]

I'm not sure what the appeal is for groups unless it's with a model who is non-nude in public. It may be that some guys just like to enjoy what they're paying for without a bunch of freeloaders tagging along without contributing. Or maybe they feel a closer connection with the model in a small group.

There's also enough models who are nude in public, but don't masturbate in public

 

[pg240]

I'm not sure what the appeal is for groups unless it's with a model who is non-nude in public. It may be that some guys just like to enjoy what they're paying for without a bunch of freeloaders tagging along without contributing. Or maybe they feel a closer connection with the model in a small group.

There's also enough models who are nude in public, but don't masturbate in public

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I just didn't think that far, because I'm not really interested in the masturbation. I enjoy what comes before that -- conversation, laughs, bra and panties. I'm a foreplay kind of guy!

 

[Crumb]

imho, so feel free to disagree, but the guys wanting to go group, usually want a "cheap private" (even if they have to share) and are unwiliing to wait for a public show (if she does a public show)
and yeah, while I think there is a bit more pressure in group, because everyone expects you to get straight to the point, but I say phooey on that... they might have a valid point if the model did a countdown for the priviledge to go group, but if you haven't, I think you have a right to prolong it anyway you can via stripping and teases and edging to squeeze as many tokens out of them as you can especially when there are less than 6 people in said group.

Members: What makes you want to go in to a group?

I don't. assuming I have tokens to spend.. I'm more of a Private/Video/Game player kind of guy.

I've also noticed that the girls that get a lot of people (30+) in their groups for a decent amount of time , are the ones that don't usually put on a public or group shows, so that when a group does happen, it's rare, and everyone flocks to it.

re: privates.
you can always charge a cover to enter, I've heard it said that it weeds out the two minute tigers. (personally I'm not a fan of this)
or as Lily suggested, if they don't stay for your min. amount, you get out the banhammer and smack em with it.

 

[UncleThursday]

imho, so feel free to disagree, but the guys wanting to go group, usually want a "cheap private" (even if they have to share) and are unwiliing to wait for a public show (if she does a public show).

Not always, though. If one is short MFC money for a pay period, and can maybe only afford $20-$50 worth of tokens for that pay period, then groups become more 'economical' for them. They can still spend the tokens, but since they know they can't afford privates or such that pay period, they can get "more" out of their limited tokens by going group. Plus, they know that they'll be getting something for their tokens, whereas if they spend all their tokens early in a countdown, and that countdown is never reached (all too common an occurrence), they might feel they blew their entire MFC budget for something that never took place.

I can't think of any model who thinks a 200 token private is worth it to them. For members who like longer privates, like me, a 200 token private is also not enough to have any fun. Even a 550 token private might not be long enough for some members (like me) or models, even though some models are fine as long as they get 5 minutes in regular or true private.

Are there some who want cheap privates by going group? Sure. But to assume everyone who goes group thinks of it in the same way is a bit asinine. There are different reasons members want to go group, as well as models.

Some models can make a boatload in group (models that seldomly go group and get 30+ people in there for 5+ minutes), other models do multiple groups a day and make their tokens that way. Some models only do countdowns and public stuff. Some only do public and privates. It's all different.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

My experiences doing groups are over a year old, but I always felt like they were wanting a cheap private. I felt pressure, and didn't get a good vibe from them at all.

I think they probably work better for girls that do much less in public chat than me. I still get a lot of privates from guys even though i do pretty much everything in public chat, however these are usually going pvt for the appeal of a one on one time, or with remote controlling my fuck machine.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I make people tell me in PM a bit about what they're looking for in a private show. Usually it's easy to tell if someone's already really close to cumming and you can imagine that the private will be over fast; I just don't do privates with those people.

Wait, how can you tell?? And what else can you tell?

 

[Sevrin]

re: privates.
you can always charge a cover to enter, I've heard it said that it weeds out the two minute tigers. (personally I'm not a fan of this)
or as Lily suggested, if they don't stay for your min. amount, you get out the banhammer and smack em with it.

If you get a lot of people in free chat, whether you do public shows or not, I'd strongly suggest the cover charge idea. You can always make exceptions for regulars, but this will take the risk out of going private with members you don't know.

As for groups, ask the more generous of your regulars what they think of the idea. They'll be most affected, and probably the best judges of whether there is any point to doing them.

 

[UncleThursday]

The other thing to remember about groups and privates, though, is the room count effect. Most, if not all models lose a ton of viewers when they go group or private.

Granted, most of these lost viewers will be guests and basics, but a good deal of premiums also leave if they aren't a model's regulars. This could lead to potential lost tips, but it won't always mean that.

Some guidelines I think any model should follow for groups and privates:

Unless you menton groups and privates count towards a countdown, then it might not be the best idea to take them during a countdown... provided the countdown has been going at a steady pace. If the countdown has stalled for a long-ish period of time, then feel free to take them.

Don't accept groups or privates right after a countdown has finished. I've seen more than a few models do this, and it makes the people who paid for the countdown feel cheated. To be safe, keep the auto-accept groups and private feature turned off (I believe that is something models can have set, to auto accept them). There's more than a handful of members who love to hit that private button as soon as a countdown has finished... mostly because they're assholes.

If your countdown is for something that will happen in group, then put that in the topic. I got burned recently on a topic that mentioned something, and then when the topic was finished it was "ok, let's do that in group" and off she went. I spent my last tokens on the topic not realizing it was for the end result to be in group. Had I known the resulting show was for group, with only a few tokens left (under 100), I would not have tipped towards the show. (As a note, I'm fine giving my last tokens to friends for nothing expected, but for models I am simply perving on and want to see a show from, I will not as easily spend the tokens if I am unsure of the show being where I tipped it or in group.)

 

[Anonymous]

But to assume everyone who goes group thinks of it in the same way is a bit asinine. There are different reasons members want to go group, as well as models.

He didn't say that everyone going to group is looking for a cheap private. He said that usually they want a cheap private. And I actually do agree with him and Miss_Lollipop that a lot of the members trying to go to group are looking for a cheap private. Notice that I said "a lot"...not "everyone." I've had a lot of guys not say a single word to me in my room, but they would speak up to ask other members "2 more for group?"

I remember being in a room where some guy was bitching about how he hates when models don't masturbate in groups. I could tell he really was determined to not pay the regular private show rate...lol.

 

[Anonymous]

Wait, how can you tell?? And what else can you tell?

I think with comments like the following, it's a pretty safe bet this guy's about to bust: :lol:

"My hands been busy. Stay just like dat, bb. Ooh, dat ass. Fuuuuuck."
"Ohhhhhh...I'm so close, bb."
"I'm bout to bust any second now, bb."

 

[Mr_Do_]

It's not necessarily a cheap private that I'm looking for -- it's a cheap show. With privates, there's some assumption that the model will tailor the show for you, and I never expect that in a group. I'll tip for requests during groups, but I seriously never feel slighted if the model refuses. And it depends on the person, but privates are too expensive for a lot of people.

And yeah, while privates are too expensive, groups are cheap enough that you don't worry if the model strings it out a bit with teasing. I don't understand why models would feel pressure -- guys can enjoy just about anything, and are free to leave whenever they like. She should just keep it going for as long as it's profitable to her (or until she's done, of course).

How to get members in? I think my advice would be to do something super sexy that draws as many people into the room and gets them as horny as hell without actually doing a show. Recent examples from some of my favorites: (1) doing a public BJ show, then moving into group for a more explicit (amazing) show and (2) teasing a g/g show before moving into group to fulfill it. It's all about the build-up to have more than the minimum 3 in group.

Really, it seems that groups work best for girls that do hold a little something back in public, and they don't really apply very well to girls that do full-on shows in public (as Lolli mentioned). Unless there's a promise of "getting something special that will only happen in group", taking a show halfway then finishing in group feels like a blatant money grab and will be off putting. So do something special to stoke the fires in public (and still feel like a fulfilling experience), then do something extra special to put them out in group.

All of this is based on a show in group. If you're going to group to show off your stamp collection to the guys that enjoy that sort of thing, I can't help because I can't relate to that. I suppose I should search the website for "weirdest thing you did in a private", just to see the "all kinds".

 

[God]

It's not necessarily a cheap private that I'm looking for -- it's a cheap show. With privates, there's some assumption that the model will tailor the show for you, and I never expect that in a group. I'll tip for requests during groups, but I seriously never feel slighted if the model refuses. And it depends on the person, but privates are too expensive for a lot of people.

And yeah, while privates are too expensive, groups are cheap enough that you don't worry if the model strings it out a bit with teasing. I don't understand why models would feel pressure -- guys can enjoy just about anything, and are free to leave whenever they like. She should just keep it going for as long as it's profitable to her (or until she's done, of course).

How to get members in? I think my advice would be to do something super sexy that draws as many people into the room and gets them as horny as hell without actually doing a show. Recent examples from some of my favorites: (1) doing a public BJ show, then moving into group for a more explicit (amazing) show and (2) teasing a g/g show before moving into group to fulfill it. It's all about the build-up to have more than the minimum 3 in group.

Really, it seems that groups work best for girls that do hold a little something back in public, and they don't really apply very well to girls that do full-on shows in public (as Lolli mentioned). Unless there's a promise of "getting something special that will only happen in group", taking a show halfway then finishing in group feels like a blatant money grab and will be off putting. So do something special to stoke the fires in public (and still feel like a fulfilling experience), then do something extra special to put them out in group.

All of this is based on a show in group. If you're going to group to show off your stamp collection to the guys that enjoy that sort of thing, I can't help because I can't relate to that. I suppose I should search the website for "weirdest thing you did in a private", just to see the "all kinds".

i've had a model PM me to ask what i would like to see in a group show and then she told everyone in her chatroom that i was the only person who could make requests for that particular group show. she also did something for me that she normally didn't do in group shows and i think the PM was to verify that what i wanted was something she was willing to do. it worked out well for everyone and i think the reason she didn't do that very much is because of what people would request if she was doing that in a group.

 

[LadyLuna]

Don't accept groups or privates right after a countdown has finished. I've seen more than a few models do this, and it makes the people who paid for the countdown feel cheated. To be safe, keep the auto-accept groups and private feature turned off (I believe that is something models can have set, to auto accept them). There's more than a handful of members who love to hit that private button as soon as a countdown has finished... mostly because they're assholes.

MFC does not have an auto-accept for group or private. What happens is, if we're typing in PM when the pop-up "accept/deny" window comes up, space-bar and enter both count as accept, so we end up accepting it before we realize it's even there.

Thus, if you're counting down to a public show, it's getting close to finish and you do type in pm, turn off the ability for members to request private or group.

 

[UncleThursday]

Don't accept groups or privates right after a countdown has finished. I've seen more than a few models do this, and it makes the people who paid for the countdown feel cheated. To be safe, keep the auto-accept groups and private feature turned off (I believe that is something models can have set, to auto accept them). There's more than a handful of members who love to hit that private button as soon as a countdown has finished... mostly because they're assholes.

MFC does not have an auto-accept for group or private. What happens is, if we're typing in PM when the pop-up "accept/deny" window comes up, space-bar and enter both count as accept, so we end up accepting it before we realize it's even there.

Thus, if you're counting down to a public show, it's getting close to finish and you do type in pm, turn off the ability for members to request private or group.

I knew about the spacebar and enter... didn't know about the lack of the auto accept. Pretty sure I've seen privates/groups get accepted with no input from the models, but that might just be lag.

So, yeah, if the countdown is close, turn off groups/privates.

 

[Gerien]

What I feel is that group shows need to offer something extra (just like privates) than what is offered in public shows. If you (and I don't necessarily mean you Mandy) are fucking yourself silly with a dildo in one hole and a butt plug in another, what is there to entice people to pay (however little) extra to go to group. They might freeload and wait for someone else to finsh the countdown and in the best case scenario, only offer you group if it seems the countdown is not going to succeed. That is why I see most models who do group are the non nude models who do group very occassionally and when they do it everyone is flocking over to have a peek. And of course with mfc members being like sheep fodder, it helps to have your regulars start a group and when people see that the group is popular they are more likely to click on it. Hell there is even one non nude model that only does striptease in groups very occassionally without showing bare breast or pussy and she has at least 50 members and her group lasts 20-30. Imo, groups can be extremely profitable if you know how to milk it. In the example above, that model netted 12k-15k tokens in just 20 minutes (excluding tips). Of course it helps to have a pretty face

Personally I go group only for 2 reasons , one, if I'm running low on tokens and cannot afford a full private show or two, if I just want to piss off the freeloaders waiting for a free show. Many people treat groups like privates, demanding and directing the model at his whim and fancy, some without even tipping. perhaps it gives some a sense of empowerment and entitlement, I don't know. All I can say is I think there are many reasonable premiums myself included that don't expect you to cum within 5-10 min of a group show. I think you can safely do whatever you do in a group show as you would in a public show should you decide to try it. To quote Phoebe from Friends : "Who is the boss of you? You are the boss of you."

As for privates, I have a slightly different take on it. I make sure I discuss at some length with the model what I want and what she is comfortable with before I click start so that our mutual expectations can be discussed and met. This helps to alleivate any potential misunderstanding later on and help to move the private faster.I have been burnt too many times being the sole (or one of he few) tippers for my fav models countdown only to see it crash and burn hours later. I usually end up tipping more than I planned for just to finish the countdown or to see the smile on her face from completion. So now I just take her private when I can afford it or tip when the countdown is well on its way. Because I'm not a multi millionaire and I have a range of models I do this for, this is the only viable option left for me.

If you cannot already tell, I absolutely despise freeloaders (sometimes even more than the model herself when I talk to her about it. But i digress....

 

[BigElectricCat]

I like both group and private shows. Groups are good when there are enough guys to make it worth the model's while (MFC requires at least three, six who stay on until the model does what she wants to do have the yield potential of a private). Of course, in a group, you're sharing the model's attention and may not feel comfortable saying things that you might otherwise say in private.

Private shows are nice because you can get the model's full attention and the communication is more open. If you're conscious about other pervs spying, you can always "true private," it doesn't bother me since the spy can't read my chat.

Even better, if you regularly visit a model who is willing to do private sessions by appointment, the two of you can work out fantasies or situations that turn you both on ahead of time. If your chosen model is the creative type, she'll be able to rock your world without actually touching you. By Appointment Only's are the fucking best. If you do this, keep in mind this is time she would likely spend doing something else, so don't be cheap. Spend at least fifteen minutes with her-- more if you can afford it.

I'm not all that thrilled when a model goes into a mid-show private because if I wanted to sit in a chat room with a bunch of guys, I'd hang out in the Lounge. This is kind of like going to a gentleman's club and seeing a dancer leave the main stage mid-song for the champagne room. I usually end up clicking away. If I like the model, I'll keep an eye on the home page for when she comes back. If I really like the model, I might spy. At least you can see a spontaneous group coming in the chat window. My preference is to see groups at the end of a show (or planned-in, like Amber does them). Also, if I'm interested in an unscheduled private, I'll ask the model about her after-show availability. That way, she can keep working the room and cultivate new regulars out of visitors, and new private patrons out of regulars.

In all cases, YMMV (Your Model May Vary).

 

[RogueWarrior]

For someone that is already successful not doing group shows, I don't know that there is any benefit. That being said, there are some models begging for group shows. At least there are tokens coming in. I have participated in that type of group.

There are other reasons, I can only comment on my own experiences. One model, who no longer cams on MFC (or anywhere as far as I know), was an ex-stripper (I have a soft spot for strippers). She had a countdown that had stalled. A couple other members and I got to talking about her stripping career with her.

Anyway, long story short, we inquired about her doing a standard 3-song strip in group. She obliged and it ended up being more than just the strip, but she had other members popping in and out while the three of us who initiated the group stayed for the entirety. Obviously in that situation, the group alternative turned out in her favor.

As a member, I guess group shows are a difficult dynamic to pin down. Eh, don't know if that helped, but that's what I know.

 

[UncleThursday]

For someone that is already successful not doing group shows, I don't know that there is any benefit. That being said, there are some models begging for group shows. At least there are tokens coming in. I have participated in that type of group

There's also the opposite end... the models who do groups so rarely that they make boatloads in them.

Shy is one who gets like 60+ for a while in there, simply because she never gets nude in public and does a group maybe once every 2 months (when she's on, she's been MIA since April)... and as much as many in the lounges claim to hate her, it's a lot of them that show up in there, just to see her naked.

JessieDeer I have seen be the top group show online when she does them, going from 12-14 for most of the time. Not bucketloads, but if those 12-14 stay in for at least 10 minutes, I assume it's a good amount in her eyes.

Emmy/CookieCapone is another rare group model, and she gets an average of 25 in there for most of it.

I'm sure Amber's fans make her groups worth it to her.

Etc.

Granted, most group shows drop to 1-2 people fairly fast. But for the models who know they can get nice sized groups for a decent time, they can be a goldmine when they do them.

 

[MFCenthusiast]

Personally I like when models give me the option to chat with her privately. I mean, some times that's all I want to do is get to know a girl better without her needing to worry about speaking to 100 other people. :-D Maybe I'm needy

 

[BigElectricCat]

Personally I like when models give me the option to chat with her privately.

I did a "talk private" recently. It was nice for me because I felt like talking. It was good for the model since she wanted to talk too, and she got some coin for it. I used that opportunity to start planning a "fun" private for a few days later.

 

[Crumb]

There's also the opposite end... the models who do groups so rarely that they make boatloads in them.

SpiderLily is another one.. every time I see her in group she has 40+ guys in there.

 

[UncleThursday]

There's also the opposite end... the models who do groups so rarely that they make boatloads in them.

SpiderLily is another one.. every time I see her in group she has 40+ guys in there.

Yeah, I meant to mention Vi, but I hadn't seen her on in a while.

 

[Zoomer]

Meh, go outside of the "top" model rooms and the chances are public shows are paid for by a few yet watched by the masses. Those extra premiums who'll vanish if she goes group or privates are the same premiums who come in for just the show and won't fucking tip anyway, or sit there silent, saying nothing, not tipping, for hours on end - yet give it all the cock emotes and horny talk once a show starts. They offer nothing at all.

However, it's all up to the model - her choice whether to take groups, her choice to strip, get naked, play - her choice to stay in groups, her choice to do what is requested or do her own thing. Some models (at the higher ends of camscore) will only do what they want in group - ignoring all requests unless accompanied by a significant tip. Others may not have the luxury as it is their "bread and butter". A model I know will only play in Group or Pvt, not public and that's her choice too, irrespective of how much you tip.

For me, in group, the model does what the fuck she wants I would hope she gets naked, but I know the model in advance and know what to expect. A 10 minute group, a 20 minute group, a 50 minute group? Who cares as long as the model enjoys it and is happy to do what she wants, or if she wishes to, what people ask.

Get out of the first page or two and you'll find topics can take hours to complete and require just 3 people to do the entire thing. Yet once that free show starts, that room is packed to 1000+ who've not contributed a dime... and won't. They'll happily tell everyone what they're doing, post cock emotes, but tip? Like fuck. At least in a group they're all paying...

So people say groups are a cheap private? At least those watching are paying and only the model can make it a cheap private Just end the fucking show if you're not happy

 

[JoleneBrody]

I can only share my experience, which is going in the opposite direction as you but maybe it will give you insight to decide what feels good to you.

My first two years on cam I did not do public cum shows. I did get naked in public and do fun naked shows, but only masturbated in group and private.
Even when I was only softcore I still always made WAY more per hour in tips in public than I did masturbating in group, but I enjoy cumming on cam with a crowd watching so I still did groups. Over time, the honestly pathetic group show earnings due to low room counts starting really effecting my self worth and, honestly I started having a hard time getting off because I was feeling shit on and under appreciated (the number 1 reason I did NOT do public shows was because I was afraid of feeling unappreciated in my most vulnerable state) so the tables had turned.

At this point I had already pretty well stopped taking random private requests because I couldn't remember the last time one had actually left me satisfied.

Right now I do public cumshows with a countdown that starts the second I log on and I only do privates with people I know and trust, scheduled in advance and basically always after my public chat time. I have a nightly goal that is significantly higher than my first countdown so just as I set any second public show countdown to exactly what I need to reach that goal, and I skip a second show when I have a private scheduled, I only go private with people I trust will keep me in private long enough to be worth it while also being a good time! This makes me really fucking hard to take private! :lol:
That may sound harsh but it's just reality, this is my job and I need to reach my goals while also enjoying myself. I've told regular members whom I really enjoy personality wise that a private show with me isn't a good fit for them, because the amount they are looking to spend just isn't enough to cover my goal and they are better off just buying videos or tipping towards a public show.
Some people may say, "well why not just come back to public chat then and finish your goal?" In my experience, making anything after you come back from private is nearly impossible, and I really don't like to do more than 2 cum shows a day.

So anyway, my point is that if you enjoy public shows and you reach your goals with them, groups are probably going to be a waste of time and only leave you feeling annoyed. If you hate 2 minute privates, maybe only do privates with people you trust to respect your time.

Even though, of course I still have my slow periods, the way I currently run my shows is making me the happiest I've ever been so I hope my experience helps you find your own happy path.

 

[Sevrin]

That may sound harsh but it's just reality, this is my job and I need to reach my goals while also enjoying myself.

I'm going to have a talk with my boss and explain to him that those are my expectations, as well. :lol:

 

[JoleneBrody]

That may sound harsh but it's just reality, this is my job and I need to reach my goals while also enjoying myself.

I'm going to have a talk with my boss and explain to him that those are my expectations, as well. :lol:

Yeah, you should. If he tells you to pack sand than I suggest you start working towards reaching a goal of supporting yourself with something you love elsewhere. Life is too fucking short to settle for misery.

 

[Sevrin]

That may sound harsh but it's just reality, this is my job and I need to reach my goals while also enjoying myself.

I'm going to have a talk with my boss and explain to him that those are my expectations, as well. :lol:

Yeah, you should. If he tells you to pack sand than I suggest you start working towards reaching a goal of supporting yourself with something you love elsewhere. Life is too fucking short to settle for misery.

Mkay. I'm willing to give it a shot, but I don't think he'll be too happy when I tell him that I don't want to masturbate more than twice a day.