Foreign models, Romanian in particular

[zippypinhead]

I teach English writing to adults. English syntax, especially in a written form, can be difficult, even for people who grew up speaking it. A person's vocabulary is actually not a good marker for whether or not a person understands how to write English. Words and definitions tend to be learned by rote. The nuance of contextual meaning, however, is far more organic. I think it's a good thing that most of the people on here are actually smart and thoughtful, and good writers, but I also think that it's taken for granted that this is what the population of ACF consists of. The fact of the matter is that it's through active policing by members that the good communicators stay, and those who are hard to understand are drummed out. I've seen it happen several times, now, where people are ripped apart not so much for what they are stating, but rather for how they have stated it. For fuck's sake, we're quibbling over the use of a single word as a defining marker for a man's total character, here. As an English teacher, I find that utterly ridiculous.

Anyway, that's if for me in this debate. I've done my part to derail this thread well enough.

 

[Nordling]

If "one word" was the only reason many folks jumped on this member, I'd pretty much agree, but he'd already pretty much showed his general attitude toward women in his own thread, where he revealed details of what should have been a private encounter with a model.

 

[Anonymous]

To be fair to this guy, it's pretty clear from his posts that English is not his native language. I honestly think he's been trying to fit in, but the language barrier keeps getting in the way. After two days of being generally misunderstood getting shit on by everyone here, he' just snapped. He doesn't seem malicious to me -- at least he was trying to participate and fit in, which is more than can be said for most of the newbies that stumble across this forum. Poor English got in the way, though, and it made a bad first impression, and so maybe folks around here should have cut him a little slack.

If you come onto this forum making rude, idiotic statements about cam girls, then you deserve to get "jumped on" a little...whether your English is poor or excellent. I don't think we misunderstood him. I've actually been able to understand every single one of his posts so far. It wasn't the language barrier that made me go "WTF?"...it was his attitude towards cam girls that made me go "WTF?" Poor English shouldn't give you a free pass to make douchey comments. And I've seen quite a few members/models on here with poor English, but they were actually respectful and didn't make rude comments about adult workers.

 

[Poker_Babe]

Am I the only on who thinks that talktomeanytime has missed the point ...? ALL girls on cam sites "pursue cam site as a mean to make bread earnings" not just Romanians.
This is not Match.com and we are not camming to meet "Mr. Right". We are here to make a living. I'm sorry if that popped anyone's bubble, but it's the truth.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

This is not Match.com and we are not camming to meet "Mr. Right". We are here to make a living. I'm sorry if that popped anyone's bubble, but it's the truth.

I would hope most dudes here understand this. One of the reasons why I like chillin with a lot of Romanian models is because they treat it as a job. They just want to give a good show and entertain. Insanely hard working people.

Guys looking for real relationships at camsites have always kinda annoyed me. They can go meet and date different women in real life. Guys in relationships or married dudes aren't usually allowed to do this. Strip clubs can lead to bad decisions so camsites are seriously one of the best ways to interact with females without fucking up your relationship. I can understand single guys going to camsites but looking for a relationship there seems like a waste of everyones time.

 

[zippypinhead]

This is not Match.com and we are not camming to meet "Mr. Right". We are here to make a living. I'm sorry if that popped anyone's bubble, but it's the truth.

I would hope most dudes here understand this. One of the reasons why I like chillin with a lot of Romanian models is because they treat it as a job. They just want to give a good show and entertain. Insanely hard working people.

Guys looking for real relationships at camsites have always kinda annoyed me. They can go meet and date different women in real life. Guys in relationships or married dudes aren't usually allowed to do this. Strip clubs can lead to bad decisions so camsites are seriously one of the best ways to interact with females without fucking up your relationship. I can understand single guys going to camsites but looking for a relationship there seems like a waste of everyones time.

In theory, they can go meet and date different women in real life.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I wonder if it's often the married/taken men who are more likely to fall for models.

When you're in a relationship you get this massive sense of security, you can feel almost emotionally invincible. Especially if you have a fairly settled relationship. This means that when you might get a little bored, you might start looking elsewhere. Just for fun at first, but it makes it more likely for you to get crushes. Because you're used to being with one person, you fall into your usual habits, and find one woman. When she seems to be amazing... well, like is basic human nature for many people, you hear a load of things that are too good to be true, go into fantasy land, and fall in love with the idea of being a certain person.

I think people in relationships are dramatically more vulnerable to love games than people not in relationships. Myself included. If I'm single I am very much in the game. I'm dealing with dates and men who want me on a fairly frequent basis. You get a very realistic view of love and being single and generally just how hard it all is, which means I am far more cautious. When I'm in a relationship, because I'm never looking for anything, it means if someone comes along who I find attractive I am caught unawares and would be in a much more vulnerable position emotionally.
If anyone watches nature programs imagine a stoke hypnotising a rabbit... The person being in a relationship being the rather startled rabbit. Obviously most of the time people in relationships don't really think of or notice come ons, but once they get cornered I think it's much easier for them to fall into it hard. Partly because the relationship is doomed to begin with.

 

[yossarian]

I seriously think a significant percentage of the guys on camsites have Asperger's. I've known a several people on the spectrum (including a very close family member), and the behavior is very similar--a complete lack of social skills, a desire for things to be exactly the way they think they should be (and an inability to deal with it when they aren't), and a tendency to misunderstand social cues. Add to that the fact that on the internet there is nobody they trust to tell them "Hey, you're not getting this and you're being weird" and you get...well, threads like the ones we've been seeing here lately.

 

[zippypinhead]

I seriously think a significant percentage of the guys on camsites have Asperger's. I've known a several people on the spectrum (including a very close family member), and the behavior is very similar--a complete lack of social skills, a desire for things to be exactly the way they think they should be (and an inability to deal with it when they aren't), and a tendency to misunderstand social cues. Add to that the fact that on the internet there is nobody they trust to tell them "Hey, you're not getting this and you're being weird" and you get...well, threads like the ones we've been seeing here lately.

I don't doubt that at all. Or just socially outcast men in general.

I actually think that that's the nobility of the service that cam models offer. Lonely and awkward guys, even guys with social disorders, can find a cool and beautiful girl, try their hand at chatting her up, and then see her naked for far less hassle than trying to get a girl to date you and less money than dinner and a movie. I actually find that to be a great thing. Of course, it's a great enough thing that it's pretty easy for guys forget the underlying business transaction of the affair.

 

[AmberCutie]

I seriously think a significant percentage of the guys on camsites have Asperger's. I've known a several people on the spectrum (including a very close family member), and the behavior is very similar--a complete lack of social skills, a desire for things to be exactly the way they think they should be (and an inability to deal with it when they aren't), and a tendency to misunderstand social cues. Add to that the fact that on the internet there is nobody they trust to tell them "Hey, you're not getting this and you're being weird" and you get...well, threads like the ones we've been seeing here lately.

I believe you're right. While I have met some incredibly smart, rational, and well-adjusted people over the years, they're few and far between. And aside from the possible Aspergers folks and the socially unaware ones, there are also some really really fucked up people. At least a few times a month I run into someone who shocks me at the level of complete asshole-idiot they have inside them.

And sometimes they seem totally cool up front. Then BOOM! One little thing sets them off into a whole other realm of assholery that you didn't even know they had in them. Example: guy was a totally cool regular, but I called him out on something another model told me he was doing in her room. It unleashed the beast. This was the last interaction I saw from him:

Delete my account now! I no longer wish to be associated with you or stupid fucking forum. DUmb cunt!

So yes, there are all sorts of people with mental and social issues on cam sites (yes, I attribute outbursts like the one above to having a mental or developmental issue, for sure). If we models can find a handful of friendly folks who aren't out to make us their wives on the cam site we work on, we are very lucky and appreciate what we have when we have it.

 

[Just Me]

I am going to go out on a limb and say most of the members on cam sites are normal, well-adjusted people. But guess what? Those are not the people that will generally interact with models or members in a negative way, so will not be remembered. It is confirmation bias and the tendency of people to remember more of the negative interactions.

 

[zippypinhead]

I am going to go out on a limb and say most of the members on cam sites are normal, well-adjusted people. But guess what? Those are not the people that will generally interact with models or members in a negative way, so will not be remembered. It is confirmation bias and the tendency of people to remember more of the negative interactions.

To be fair, the original term used was "significant percentage," which I'm still given to believe. I also think that the internet has a form of common behavior that tolerates and even encourages negative interactions more willingly than in the real world, which doesn't help when trying to separate the good folk from the bad. It's not so much that the well-adjusted majority doesn't exist. I'd wager that at least a thousand people roll through Amber's room on a given shift, and I'd also wager that on a given shift, few of those guys is saying anything creepy or weird -- because they aren't saying anything at all. That's why I would believe her when she states that the well-adjusted guys she actually interacts with are few and far between. The well-adjusted guys tend to be the passive observers, who are not moved by passion to participate.

We've all been in chat rooms. We all know how it works. There's a small cadre of "nice guys" -- the few guys who are generally regulars to the room, who stick around, make conversation, and tip. They're outnumbered by the guys who pop in and out with clever remarks like "o bb ur tits r sooooo hawt!" and "mmmmmmmm" and they could end up tipping or they could end up begging or they could end up saying something stupid and getting themselves booted. And they are outnumbered by the guys who don't say anything at all. So, it's not that they don't exist. It's just that they aren't making themselves visible. So the loud minority of the crass and the weird wins, since they are participating and they do outnumber the gentlemen who also interact.

At least that's how I see it. And you could plug that equation in to whatever internet venue you like. Unless the public interaction of a site is strictly administered, the shit will pile at the top and act as a representative for the whole damned place.

 

[LadyLuna]

Unless the public interaction of a site is strictly administered, the shit will pile at the top and act as a representative for the whole damned place.

I read the webcomic "something positive". In what was technically yesterday's comic, though I think about it as being more like today's, one of the main characters compared putting masks on a bunch of drunks to a live-action version of anonymous forum comments.

I think a more fitting comparison would be comparing it to "unrestricted internet comments"

 

[GIjeff18]

I was in a room with a Romanian model the other night. For whatever reason she had chosen to play Celine Dion's "My Heart will go on". I had a bit of a chuckle when it came on. She had it on repeat and the second time it played she started to sing along. While the singing was not great, she certainly gave it her all. When she went for the high note I almost pissed myself laughing, but I held out on commenting. When it started playing the 3rd time, I had no choice but to make fun of the "draw me like one of your french girls" line. I expected that some of my overly sarcastic humor might be lost in translation, but I couldn't have expected anything nearly this glorious.

 

[Sevrin]

I was in a room with a Romanian model the other night. For whatever reason she had chosen to play Celine Dion's "My Heart will go on". I had a bit of a chuckle when it came on. She had it on repeat and the second time it played she started to sing along. While the singing was not great, she certainly gave it her all. When she went for the high note I almost pissed myself laughing, but I held out on commenting. When it started playing the 3rd time, I had no choice but to make fun of the "draw me like one of your french girls" line. I expected that some of my overly sarcastic humor might be lost in translation, but I couldn't have expected anything nearly this glorious.

I boggles my mind that English-speaking members always assume that models from Eastern Europe understand American memes and idiomatic expressions. Perhaps it's a sign that they haven't traveled. These countries have languages and cultures of their own.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I was in a room with a Romanian model the other night. For whatever reason she had chosen to play Celine Dion's "My Heart will go on". I had a bit of a chuckle when it came on. She had it on repeat and the second time it played she started to sing along. While the singing was not great, she certainly gave it her all. When she went for the high note I almost pissed myself laughing, but I held out on commenting. When it started playing the 3rd time, I had no choice but to make fun of the "draw me like one of your french girls" line. I expected that some of my overly sarcastic humor might be lost in translation, but I couldn't have expected anything nearly this glorious.

I boggles my mind that English-speaking members always assume that models from Eastern Europe understand American memes and idiomatic expressions. Perhaps it's a sign that they haven't traveled. These countries have languages and cultures of their own.

I don't think this has anything to do with 'English-speaking members' assuming others should understand expressions. In this case there's a reasonable expectation that many people would understand this phrase since it comes from the 2nd highest grossing film of all time in worldwide box office at nearly $2.2 billion. And yes it did quite well in Romania as well.

I think the main reason this model didn't understand the expression was because most likely she would have been just a few years old when it came out in 1997 (1998 in Romania). So it's reasonable she's never heard the phrase or seen the movie.

Hell, even i had to google the phrase to refresh my memory since it's been 17 years since I sat in the theater to see this one.

 

[Sevrin]

I was in a room with a Romanian model the other night. For whatever reason she had chosen to play Celine Dion's "My Heart will go on". I had a bit of a chuckle when it came on. She had it on repeat and the second time it played she started to sing along. While the singing was not great, she certainly gave it her all. When she went for the high note I almost pissed myself laughing, but I held out on commenting. When it started playing the 3rd time, I had no choice but to make fun of the "draw me like one of your french girls" line. I expected that some of my overly sarcastic humor might be lost in translation, but I couldn't have expected anything nearly this glorious.

I boggles my mind that English-speaking members always assume that models from Eastern Europe understand American memes and idiomatic expressions. Perhaps it's a sign that they haven't traveled. These countries have languages and cultures of their own.

I don't think this has anything to do with 'English-speaking members' assuming others should understand expressions. In this case there's a reasonable expectation that many people would understand this phrase since it comes from the 2nd highest grossing film of all time in worldwide box office at nearly $2.2 billion. And yes it did quite well in Romania as well.

I think the main reason this model didn't understand the expression was because most likely she would have been just a few years old when it came out in 1997 (1998 in Romania). So it's reasonable she's never heard the phrase or seen the movie.

Hell, even i had to google the phrase to refresh my memory since it's been 17 years since I sat in the theater to see this one.

They speak Romanian in Romania. Most Romanians are not fluent in English, so popular movies are dubbed. In a poor country like Romania the dubbing won't be terribly well done, and Europeans generally take great liberties when dubbing movies, TV shows, etc. And as you say, the movie is kind of old. There's simply no reason to expect the phrase 'draw me like one of your French girls' would make any sense to this model.

But generally, members do this kind of dumb shit constantly.

 

[zippypinhead]

I was in a room with a Romanian model the other night. For whatever reason she had chosen to play Celine Dion's "My Heart will go on". I had a bit of a chuckle when it came on. She had it on repeat and the second time it played she started to sing along. While the singing was not great, she certainly gave it her all. When she went for the high note I almost pissed myself laughing, but I held out on commenting. When it started playing the 3rd time, I had no choice but to make fun of the "draw me like one of your french girls" line. I expected that some of my overly sarcastic humor might be lost in translation, but I couldn't have expected anything nearly this glorious.

I boggles my mind that English-speaking members always assume that models from Eastern Europe understand American memes and idiomatic expressions. Perhaps it's a sign that they haven't traveled. These countries have languages and cultures of their own.

I don't think this has anything to do with 'English-speaking members' assuming others should understand expressions. In this case there's a reasonable expectation that many people would understand this phrase since it comes from the 2nd highest grossing film of all time in worldwide box office at nearly $2.2 billion. And yes it did quite well in Romania as well.

I think the main reason this model didn't understand the expression was because most likely she would have been just a few years old when it came out in 1997 (1998 in Romania). So it's reasonable she's never heard the phrase or seen the movie.

Hell, even i had to google the phrase to refresh my memory since it's been 17 years since I sat in the theater to see this one.

They speak Romanian in Romania. Most Romanians are not fluent in English, so popular movies are dubbed. In a poor country like Romania the dubbing won't be terribly well done, and Europeans generally take great liberties when dubbing movies, TV shows, etc. And as you say, the movie is kind of old. There's simply no reason to expect the phrase 'draw me like one of your French girls' would make any sense to this model.

But generally, members do this kind of dumb shit constantly.

Given that the membership is primarily English-speaking and American, I don't think that it's too far out to run on the expectation that the models will be able to functionally speak the language and have some indoctrination into the prevailing culture of the membership of the site. It's a fundamental part of their job to be able to effectively communicate with their audience, after all.

 

[Bocefish]

The phrase made no sense to me either, I had to google it. :dontknow:

 

[Sevrin]

Given that the membership is primarily English-speaking and American, I don't think that it's too far out to run on the expectation that the models will be able to functionally speak the language and have some indoctrination into the prevailing culture of the membership of the site. It's a fundamental part of their job to be able to effectively communicate with their audience, after all.

"Effectively communicate" doesn't mean understanding every double entendre and meme. The "draw me" meme only came to life a few years ago, and not as a result of being in Titanic. At the time that movie came out, it wasn't a thing. You can't expect models to study imgur and Cheezeburger just to make a living on MFC.

Anyway, I haven't lived in an environment where English was the primary language for about 45 years. My perspective is obviously a little skewed.

 

[zippypinhead]

Given that the membership is primarily English-speaking and American, I don't think that it's too far out to run on the expectation that the models will be able to functionally speak the language and have some indoctrination into the prevailing culture of the membership of the site. It's a fundamental part of their job to be able to effectively communicate with their audience, after all.

"Effectively communicate" doesn't mean understanding every double entendre and meme. The "draw me" meme only came to life a few years ago, and not as a result of being in Titanic. At the time that movie came out, it wasn't a thing. You can't expect models to study imgur and Cheezeburger just to make a living on MFC.

Anyway, I haven't lived in an environment where English was the primary language for about 45 years. My perspective is obviously a little skewed.

No, I can definitely say that "draw me like one of your french girls" has been a line quoted often since the movie came out. Its popularity is likely the reason why that particular line became a meme. And I don't believe that it would be bad notion for models to study up on the stupid jokes and cultural references that fill the emote menu on MFC. The more you know, and all that.

But, of course, I'm also playing a bit of the devil's advocate, here. I hang around primarily with Romanian models, and they do tend to work pretty hard at understanding the references. When they don't understand, they ask, or I explain, because good communication makes for two content people in the exchange, especially when there is a language and cultural barrier in place. What I wouldn't do is make fun of a model for not understanding me, just as I would hope not to be berated for not understanding Romanian terms or cultural references.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

The phrase made no sense to me either, I had to google it. :dontknow:

Me neither, I didn't have to google it but I only got it after I saw people were talking about a language barrier. Seeing as she isn't english she probably wouldn't understand the exact quote. Plenty of Romanian girls are good at english, but still haven't watched the english versions of movies. Seeing as I didn't get it after some thought, I'm not surprised she didn't get it at first with that and trying to entertain a room.

I also don't really understand what it has to do with Romanian cam models.

 

[Sevrin]

No, I can definitely say that "draw me like one of your french girls" has been a line quoted often since the movie came out. Its popularity is likely the reason why that particular line became a meme. And I don't believe that it would be bad notion for models to study up on the stupid jokes and cultural references that fill the emote menu on MFC. The more you know, and all that.

Its current popularity has nothing to do with Titanic.

The earliest known use of the quote for comedic effect can be traced to an entry in a Moviefone[3] caption contest for the superhero film Iron Man in 2008, which paired the phrase with a photo of Tony Stark (played by Robert Downey Jr.) showing off an arc reactor mounted in his chest to Obadiah Stane (played by Jeff Bridges; shown below). The first image macro instance featuring the phrase was a LOLcat image posted to I Can Haz Cheezburger[4] on May 4th, 2008.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/draw-me-l ... ench-girls

 

[SiaThunder]

GUYS! On TV movies are subbed . They were dubbed at the beginning of '90. And THANKS GOD for Cartoon Network cause there I started to learn English.

 

[GIjeff18]

I was in a room with a Romanian model the other night. For whatever reason she had chosen to play Celine Dion's "My Heart will go on". I had a bit of a chuckle when it came on. She had it on repeat and the second time it played she started to sing along. While the singing was not great, she certainly gave it her all. When she went for the high note I almost pissed myself laughing, but I held out on commenting. When it started playing the 3rd time, I had no choice but to make fun of the "draw me like one of your french girls" line. I expected that some of my overly sarcastic humor might be lost in translation, but I couldn't have expected anything nearly this glorious.

I boggles my mind that English-speaking members always assume that models from Eastern Europe understand American memes and idiomatic expressions. Perhaps it's a sign that they haven't traveled. These countries have languages and cultures of their own.

I certainly wasn't expecting her to understand my reference. I certainly didn't post it maliciously either, as evidenced by the fact that I included it in a tip note. I just posted it because I thought it was a funny exchange that took place due to language and cultural differences.

 

[eclipse76]

I was in a room with a Romanian model the other night. For whatever reason she had chosen to play Celine Dion's "My Heart will go on". I had a bit of a chuckle when it came on. She had it on repeat and the second time it played she started to sing along. While the singing was not great, she certainly gave it her all. When she went for the high note I almost pissed myself laughing, but I held out on commenting. When it started playing the 3rd time, I had no choice but to make fun of the "draw me like one of your french girls" line. I expected that some of my overly sarcastic humor might be lost in translation, but I couldn't have expected anything nearly this glorious.

Now you know that plenty of Romanians can speak a decent French. :dance:

 

[Eden01]

My favorite models are Romanians and I have been friends with them for years. We still have the occasional language fail. They often they use English translations of Romanian sayings that mean nothing to me, leave me wondering if that was an insult or a compliment, or make me laugh as they just seem to make no sense.

Once my friend was talking in Romanian, which she doesn't do on cam much, and I told her I thought the language sounded exotic and beautiful, I then said I thought she was just as beautiful as the language. Well she laughed and laughed, and then explained that 'you are as ugly as the language' is a common insult there.

One of the language fails that left me bewildered was what I thought was a total over reaction to a situation where my friend told me something I had done had made her feel 'foul'. I just couldn't understand how my actions had made her feel such a strong reaction. Whenever I brought it us, she couldn't understand how I couldn't see her point of view. It wasn't till much later we worked out the word she has been looking for was 'fool' not 'foul' which then totally made sense!

Being a popular culture junkie use quotes (they were called that before they became memes) all the time.

And some of the ones I have thought would be easily recognisable but were actually baffling are:
'You're gonna need a bigger boat' - when there were lots of trolls in the room
'I want an Oompa Loompa now!' - when she was complaining about not getting enough tips
'Badges? We ain't got no badges! We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinking badges!' when someone posted that emocon of a badger with a huge exploding penis jumping round.
'I see dead people.' - when trolls are about to get banned
'It's alive! It's alive!' - after a lazy shift she finally decided to do some dancing.

Usually it just causes a conversation on context in PM, and sometimes we watch the movie. All the same I know she uses quotes to, and they have come from Lord of the Rings, Terminator, Forest Gump and Wizard of Oz. So its all about what we have seen and what we are interested in rather than being ignorant of culture. She asks members in her room if they just see her as 'a collection of profitable holes' all the time, and I don't think any of them have ever picked up where that is from!

 

[Fay_Galore]

I certainly wasn't expecting her to understand my reference. I certainly didn't post it maliciously either, as evidenced by the fact that I included it in a tip note. I just posted it because I thought it was a funny exchange that took place due to language and cultural differences.

well, no.
as you can see in this thread, most US models don't get it either.
Some girls know their memes, some don't. it's definitely not in any way a cultural or linguistic thing. Memes are not strictly american.