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ScarlettLeigh said:
I read this whole thread and I'm still :think:.

I'm not anti BitCoin or anything but in all honestly I just keep thinking Ponzi and Pyramid schemes. I also have to wonder how long it will last considering it's a way for people to evade taxes..... I have to wonder if the IRS or some other government institution will attempt to put a stop to it.

It's fine .... You are just trying to figure out how does it apply to what you do. It really isn't a Ponzi or Pyramid scheme. Bitcoins does have a small economy it isn't derived by one person or one group. You can pay taxes on bitcoin just like anything else as you would treat like a commodity.
 
Evvie said:
I admit I didn't read all the words on this thread, but in regards to the camsite that uses bitcoins and doesn't take a cut of what models earn:

How do you make money from that? Who is paying you? Nobody provides services for free, especially if those services are costing them. Free things make me suspicious.

Advertising - there are some other ways that are related to bitcoin community needs. My site is relying on different 3rd party solutions so scabality and costs are near zero so will be able to operate fairly easy. Yes, you have right to be suspicious on anything free! Honestly, it takes a bit getting used to that something is free like bitcoin - when I sent some bits of bitcoin to MadisonLeigh it always takes you back that this was it ? No fee's, no logging in , no having to go through someone else I just sent some money to someone in a few seconds. :thumbleft:
 
:shock: :? *grips tokens tight*
This seems almost like trading shows for stock shares, just less trusted and more confusing.
 
Shares are owning parts of companies. Goods are not.

If you compare it to anything , compare it in being tipped in grams of gold. Not the most certain value in the world (gold sometimes rises and falls in value as denoted in USD) but if you just convert it to Dollars on a weekly basis risk in relation the USD is pretty managable.

Whether you should be holding large amounts of USD is another discussion altogether :)
 
JoleneJolene said:
:shock: :? *grips tokens tight*
This seems almost like trading shows for stock shares, just less trusted and more confusing.

I don't think it's less trusting - maybe from the user (viewers) perspective as there is zero way back to enforce you to do a show once they "send" the bitcoins.

As far as I gather, bitcoins are part of a long chain. Each chunk, or bit, of the chain represents a "bitcoin". A bitcoin has two parts: a unique hash which identifies it, and an owners key. The owners key is the "wallet" id of a person who owns it. The owners key can only be changed by the person who currently owns the key (preventing others from taking control of your bitcoin - hence why your wallet is essentially sacred). When you "sell" (transfer, pay someone) in bitcoins, you use your key to give that block the wallet id or key of the person you are paying. Hence why it cannot be reversed - as soon as the transaction is completed, you cannot access that bitcoin again.

The entire system is distributed, so preventing an individual point of attack on the chain, as it would be inconsistent with the rest of the system and flagged. How flagged, guessing some form of trust/reputation system which would ensure other nodes in the network discount that node from the network?

So my concern wouldn't be on the actual bitcoins themselves. It is on the individuals computer who owns them (security wise) and the methods of paying in/paying out. No shop fronts, you are essentially trusting strangers with details that you may not want to :p MtGox is Japanese afaik, but there's nothing to stop any old Tom, Dick and Harry from setting up a system for you to buy/sell bitcoins for real cash through... and then misbehaving with the details which you voluntarily gave them without knowing who they are, or even what jurisdiction they reside within (and whether you have any possible chance of legal recompense). Of course if they misbehave instantly they won't get any money... as users have to trust. But as with that site which disappeared with tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of peoples bitcoins, if you can build up trust and somehow disappear in a sphere of anonymity - then it could really shake people's trust and belief in something.

There are risks as I keep saying, but I don't think it's the bitcoins themselves. Merely the interface that would make them useful is where my reservations would lay :p As I keep saying though, it's a fascinating concept. Just don't think I'll be adopting it any time soon - I am far to risk adverse and don't offer anything which can be "free" (as in not cost me anything but can make bitcoins).
For a camgirl who isn't so risk adverse, I can imagine that if such a novel thing appeared there may be a proper pot of cash waiting for them. The cost may be "low" in comparison, as you just get naked. Since thousands or tens of thousands see you naked anyway without paying, probably not much difference for a few more seeing it :D The returns, at least for the first individual or two, could be substantial if the right girl was to try. No offence to most - but thinking Crazysysy type - the sort that seems to make men dribble and foam just by smiling and shaking her tush in their direction and is likely to spread in notoriety like wildfire (rapidly gaining an audience). A potential (small) market where everyone there is a "premium" (bitcoins site, stands to reason they've all got bitcoins) and like tokens...once they've got those bitcoins, maybe they're just sat being unspent. Makes it more tempting to use them :D
 
So if the value of bitcoins varies like gold...

... then one day a bitcoin might cover the cost of a double anal fisting with backflips show, and only enough to cover the cost of a 2 second nipple flash the next day.
 
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AmberCutie said:
So if the value of bitcoins varies like gold...

... then one day a bitcoin might cover the cost of a double anal fisting with backflips show, and only enough to cover the cost of a 2 second nipple flash the next day.

Think the volatility is not going to fluctuate that quickly. Month by month maybe (looking at the history it is stabilising after a bubble), but on a day by day basis I doubt it. Unless something majorly major happened (much like in the real world!) :D
 
AmberCutie said:
So if the value of bitcoins varies like gold...

... then one day a bitcoin might cover the cost of a double anal fisting with backflips show, and only enough to cover the cost of a 2 second nipple flash the next day.

This is the last month. Play with the data there. Then go to http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=EURUSD% ... Chart&t=2y and do the same.
 
So I know I'm late to this party, but I just wanted to pipe up. I have been doing some reading and the bit coin thing is really interesting, I'm looking forward to helping our industry evolve in such a way that bitcoins is an option. (Shout out to wachtwoord who is developing a camsite) Bitcoins are never going to be my only revenue but I want to at least give them a chance! Especially since striping for bitcoins is something my landlady can't over hear! There are ways to secure your bitcoins so they can't be stolen but it's complicated and I'm not concerned about that at this juncture.

On that note I am currently involve in helping wachtwoord by testing his streaming service (its still in alpha) and I'm helping the the subreddit deCrypto iron out the kinks. I'm not super experienced in the sex industry but I seem to have a pretty good handle and the more heads the better!! So far things are going well and I hope to see this really take off, just becasue it would be awesome.
 
AmberCutie said:
So if the value of bitcoins varies like gold...

... then one day a bitcoin might cover the cost of a double anal fisting with backflips show, and only enough to cover the cost of a 2 second nipple flash the next day.

Oh wow this is so visual thank you! :) lol
 
Bohemian_Lady said:
So I know I'm late to this party, but I just wanted to pipe up. I have been doing some reading and the bit coin thing is really interesting, I'm looking forward to helping our industry evolve in such a way that bitcoins is an option. (Shout out to wachtwoord who is developing a camsite) Bitcoins are never going to be my only revenue but I want to at least give them a chance! Especially since striping for bitcoins is something my landlady can't over hear! There are ways to secure your bitcoins so they can't be stolen but it's complicated and I'm not concerned about that at this juncture.

On that note I am currently involve in helping wachtwoord by testing his streaming service (its still in alpha) and I'm helping the the subreddit deCrypto iron out the kinks. I'm not super experienced in the sex industry but I seem to have a pretty good handle and the more heads the better!! So far things are going well and I hope to see this really take off, just becasue it would be awesome.

Thanks Bohemian_Lady - its really about helping you ladies get the most out of your time doing this . Actually, I have a website too! :p Glad to see watchtwoord hijacking of this thread has paid off! lol :p
 
Bohemian_Lady said:
goldieloxx said:
Glad to see watchtwoord hijacking of this thread has paid off! lol :p

Lol I wan't even aware that there was a bitcoins discussion here when I started helping watchtwoord. Mmmm time to pop over and check out your site.

Lol its fine I was sort of teasing I think :p It happens ... nothing yet up there just establishing things at the moment - the more the merrier! glad to see your involved!
 
Also forgot to mention this ...

I want to say the biggest thing against using bitcoins I hear is volatility - keep in mind if this webcamming gains traction it benefits you girls as bitcoins should raise in price as there is a direct correlation. So, basically each girl theoretically investing right out the gate say if a girl gets 5 bitcoins early on at $5 worth and one of our two bitcoin sites gets some media coverage somewhere and all of sudden there is establishment of webcamming for bitcoins those bitcoins the girls early on have will go up- enabling a girl to invest in herself just for signing up and participating in the bitcoin network even. :-D
 
So yes been contacted by some online media outlets regarding the idea and writing future stories about it and when bitcams will open - I told them we are going to wait till we get our first one or two girls slotted in so they can benefit from all the attention and the bitcoins spent .

If any of you want to benefit from it let me know - probably just need half hours worth of time by the time the article is announced and people coming to check it out. You can just tie it in to a current time you do shows or what have you just putting this out there !
 
Goldieloxx is not who they claim to be. "She" is over at the SW forums where "she" is known as Sarah2012. They originally signed up to post about this but signed up as a male and couldn't post, so they switched to the Sarah2012 screen name. At first the thread was fine, until they began tip toe-ing around questions and it began to look as though what they were advertising was a ponzi scheme. It has exploded into 15 pages of unprofessional and shady behavior from this person. It has now resulted in this person threatening cam models by saying "she" will post all of our information on other boards.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showth ... d-Bitcoins (page 15 is where they are threatening to lie to websites to leave negative ratings to all the girls in the thread)

I did my best to talk to this person and it has resulted in threats that ALL women should be aware of.
 

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PrincessLuna said:
Goldieloxx is not who they claim to be. "She" is over at the SW forums where "she" is known as Sarah2012. They originally signed up to post about this but signed up as a male and couldn't post, so they switched to the Sarah2012 screen name. At first the thread was fine, until they began tip toe-ing around questions and it began to look as though what they were advertising was a ponzi scheme. It has exploded into 15 pages of unprofessional and shady behavior from this person. It has now resulted in this person threatening cam models by saying "she" will post all of our information on other boards.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showth ... d-Bitcoins (page 15 is where they are threatening to lie to websites to leave negative ratings to all the girls in the thread)

I did my best to talk to this person and it has resulted in threats that ALL women should be aware of.

Hello, we are aware of someone using our nickname/hijacking and copy and pasting information on boards this does not reflect us at all. We apologize for anything this person posted elsewhere.

Looking into it. Thank you Luna for bring it to our attention.
 
goldieloxx said:
PrincessLuna said:
Goldieloxx is not who they claim to be. "She" is over at the SW forums where "she" is known as Sarah2012. They originally signed up to post about this but signed up as a male and couldn't post, so they switched to the Sarah2012 screen name. At first the thread was fine, until they began tip toe-ing around questions and it began to look as though what they were advertising was a ponzi scheme. It has exploded into 15 pages of unprofessional and shady behavior from this person. It has now resulted in this person threatening cam models by saying "she" will post all of our information on other boards.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showth ... d-Bitcoins (page 15 is where they are threatening to lie to websites to leave negative ratings to all the girls in the thread)

I did my best to talk to this person and it has resulted in threats that ALL women should be aware of.

Hello, we are aware of someone using our nickname/hijacking and copy and pasting information on boards this does not reflect us at all. We apologize for anything this person posted elsewhere.

Looking into it. Thank you Luna for bring it to our attention.

LOL. Even if Luna didn't have the screenshot of you admitting to be "GoldieLoxx" under the name "Sarah2012" in the StripperWeb thread - with a double whammy of you admitting to being male. (D'Oh!)

The logical question to your BS post would be, "Who is dumb enough to have the time to promote/impersonate a website that is in NO benefit to them?" (No affiliate program, and the poster "Sarah2012" admits to be promoting Bitcoins and BitCams for "nothing/next to nothing")

You've messed with the wrong group of women to think we're this stupid.
 
You couldn't just let SW be our little secret, could you? :woops: And yeah, I am half-kidding...I know that nothing on the internet is a secret, but geez! If you thought SW lurkers were a problem before, you just made it worse by posting that here. SMH.....

Ooh, my girl HaydenBlue is here...she's awesome! Hey, girl! :hello2:
 
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude, PrincessLuna. I hope you can see where I was coming from. But I do see where you were coming from as well when you posted that...you were just looking out for us, so thank you for posting to let us know the real deal.
 
The_Brown_Fox said:
You couldn't just let SW be our little secret, could you? :woops:

I went and looked at the site I think you are talking about. I should not have :crybaby: . That is what I think the models only thread would be like. Full of things I do not want to read.

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Shaun__ said:
I went and looked at the site I think you are talking about. I should not have :crybaby: . That is what I think the models only thread would be like. Full of things I do not want to read.

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Yup, exactly. Things for cam girls to discuss with other cam girls.
 
What I want to say on this matter is that (as far as it is not clear) me and goldieloxx are not affiliated and his/her viewpoints are his/her own. I regret all this happening, because you only have one chance at making a good first impression and I fear many here will now not associate Bitcoin with something positive. This is a real pity.

If there are any questions left, I am still available to answer them and I am still working with Bohemian_Lady to tweak things and to get the site going with some broadcasts.
 
We have a troll on a Reddit thread as watchwoord knows (this is true Cam4btc isn't affiliated with us) called Genesis I engaged with him (big mistake) via PM around this very subject webcams and bitcoins. He said he's hijacking goldieloxx name and running around with it to every forum to spread FUD. It seems he fulfilled his promise.

That particular thread is a mess and a PR nightmare and makes bitcoin look awefull (which it isn't) and all I can do is apologize. I'm not fully sure what to do about it just yet and looking into different options.

We are going to carry on with the project but might have do some tactical changes around it do to this.

Be very clear here BitCams and people involved in Bitcams does not follow the believes posted by this individual and apologizes to anyone involved.

Thanks.
 
I love the concept of bitcoins, decentralised money that I can trade for anything, but right now it's on a rocky road. Bitcoins are just getting started, not many people use them, the government doesn't see them as 'real' money. Not that credit cards, debit cards, or even your bank account are any more 'real' than bitcoins. Hell there was a huge period in time where 'credit' was tracked by making notches in a stick! The only reason these things work is becasue people use them, gave them credence.

Bitcoins are just as real as any other form of currency, take MFC tokens for example. You can buy them with cash you can trade them for stuff. The only difference between bitcoins and MFC tokens is that Tokens have a set value, that is established by someone else. When you use bitcoins you are giving them more value. Every person that uses bitcoins makes them more valuable, the only way to break bitcoins is if everyone stopped using them all at once. But thats how any form of currency works if everyone stopped using paper money today then the bills would just be wads of linen and cotton.

You don't have to buy bitcoins, you can get them for free or for very little work. Jackpot sites hand out fractions of bitcoins, not becasue it helps them in any way but becasue it helps make bitcoins more valuable for everyone. You can tweet advertisements from feedzebirds and get bitcoins for it. It's so easy and it could lead to more socio economic freedom for everyone!!
 
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goldieloxx said:
We have a troll on a Reddit thread as watchwoord knows (this is true Cam4btc isn't affiliated with us) called Genesis I engaged with him (big mistake) via PM around this very subject webcams and bitcoins. He said he's hijacking goldieloxx name and running around with it to every forum to spread FUD. It seems he fulfilled his promise.

That particular thread is a mess and a PR nightmare and makes bitcoin look awefull (which it isn't) and all I can do is apologize. I'm not fully sure what to do about it just yet and looking into different options.

Um. No. You were the one who posted on SW.

FACT- I pm'd you here and suggested you post on SW when you asked if there were other forums where people may be interested. I did it via pm because I felt posting a link to another forum would be rude/spammy/disrespectful to Amber and the community.

FACT- You wrote me back and stated you posted it there in the lounge
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FACT- the mod there confirmed both accounts were the same person.

FACT- You are a liar and shouldnt be trusted
 
"Silk Road is an anonymous black market that uses only Bitcoin. In a 2011 letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and the Drug Enforcement Administration, senators Charles Schumer of New York and Joe Manchin of West Virginia called for an investigation into Bitcoin and Silk Road. Schumer described the use of bitcoins at Silk Road as a form of money laundering. Consequently Amir Taaki of Intersango, a UK-based bitcoin exchange, put out a statement calling for regulation of Bitcoin exchanges by law enforcement." - From Wikipedia

This alone is enough to make me wary...
 
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