Erotic crowd funding page is looking for girls

[LilyMarie]

I'm going to quote my own post from the PiggyBankGirls thread in the Models Only section.

I'm definitely going to create a fund on PBG, but there are some issues I have with the site that could maybe be discussed by members/models and/or explained by PiggyBankGirls?

I'm going to make a fund on PBG very soon.
Here are three pretty unfortunate aspects of the site that I've encountered yesterday that weren't there when I first checked it out.

1) Everyone who wants to contribute has to make a member account before being able to do so.
When you're not logged in, sometimes you even get a nag screen asking you to log in before you're even able to view a girl's fund!
This is not dependent on the girl or the fund, as it's happening randomly, i.e. sometimes I can see a particular girl's fund while not logged in, other times I have to log in first.
Very annoying. I can imagine that it keeps people from wanting to watch the intro video for our funds or read the accompanying texts if they have to log in before they can even do that.

2) There's a 23% tax for members who want to contribute. I contributed $10 to a fund yesterday and paid about $12. (Additionally, the girl only gets $8 of those of course; it's always 80% of the original price for the model, 20% for PiggyBankGirls. And now +23% of it has to be paid as a tax by the member.) I tweeted them and the guy said it's the sales tax/value added tax/betterment tax (I tweeted him in German, IDK which English word is the correct one here, sorry.), and that they "haven't found a way to integrate it yet".
I understand that there's no way around this, but it truly sucks. MFC uses the same Payment processor (Zombaio) and there's no tax there. (MFC does take 40-50% though, so maybe that's how they pay the tax?)

3) This is the strangest one IMO: Not only do you have to always be logged in as a member if you want to contribute anything, but if you want to contribute certain amounts, you have to become a premium member as well.
This is $1 for a 30 day trial, and afterwards $9.99 for every 30 days until cancelled.
Essentially, they make you pay money so that you're able to pay more money.
I don't know how they decide which rewards you have to be a premium member for, as the price itself doesn't seem to be the deciding factor. You can see here (in NicoleRiley's fund) that two rewards are both $50 each, but one of them is only available for premium members:

Very strange. I think they should offer additional perks to people who pledge that amount, like not making them pay the 23% tax or something. Instead you have to pay to become premium first before you can get one of the girl's larger rewards? :/

I would love to read some members' opinions especially on points 1 and 3... Is having to create a free account to be able contribute anything at all, or having to get a premium membership for that price to be able to get certain rewards going to steer you away from the site and make it less likely for you to contribute?

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I would love to read some members' opinions especially on points 1 and 3... Is having to create a free account to be able contribute anything at all, or having to get a premium membership for that price to be able to get certain rewards going to steer you away from the site and make it less likely for you to contribute?

I just went and looked at all their FAQ sections for guest, premium and 'girl's' as well as the terms of use.
I also did the math going with an imaginary $50 contribution and the VAT, recurring monthly membership and funding fees they deduct.

After looking at it all, I have to be honest here. I see no reason for me to join. It really offers no incentive that I can see. I want a video or a pair of panties, whatever. I can get those on any other site for less money and less hassle. I don't really have any comment on the layout of the site itself, it may be great, I just didn't create even a guest account to go and look.

Sorry, but since you asked, not really impressed with it. That said I'm sure there's people who have never discovered other better sites and will stumble across that first. So it might do quite well.

 

[Fay_Galore]

Thanks Lily and Jerry, I was quite impressed with the site but I don't like the idea of people having to become members (and pay for the privilege). the more hoops, the less likely someone's going to back my goals.

I don't want to hijack this thread and turn in into a list of crowdfunding pages, but the thing is, I have yet to find one that allows adult material/themes and has the option to pledge using paypal/epoch/bank transfer and not just credit cards.

 

[PiggyBankGirls]

Hi!

I want to address the issues you have with PiggyBankGirls (and let's be honest here, we're still a young project and there are definitely some issues we have to solve)

Lily, to your first point: Everyone who wants to contribute has to make a member account before being able to do so.
Frankly, I only know a few sites which let you purchase something without an account. All the crowdfunding sites require an account, MFC does, Amazon, Ebay etc. pp., they all require an account. The reason why we need an account is a marketing reason. We want members to engage in the community, to come back to PBG and fund further, we want to be able to advertise the funds via email. We want the girls to be able to stay in contact, to thank their supporters, to engage them for further contributions and so on.
Also, we've made creating an account as easy as possible - you just have to enter an email (which you have to do in every billing process) and a user account.

To the nag screen: This is a way of converting visitors to members. You're certainly right that less people want to have a look on the campaigns, but the ones who do are much more likely to contribute something. However, this is a matter of testing - we have this screen since we launched the new platform and we still need a little more data to analyse whether this screen makes sense or not.

To the second point:There's a 23% tax for members who want to contribute
The VAT is obligatory for every product in this world, I think we agree on that, MFC has to pay it as well, like all the others. The thing is (and I think that's why you also said yesterday that you have to rethink your prices, Lily) that it's annoying for the members not to pay the amount they originally wanted to pay, but to get the VAT on top of that. There's the solution of adding the VAT directly on the campaign pages so that the member pays the price he originally saw. Maybe it's best that way. At any rate, I understand this point and I'm going to discuss it with our development team to find a solution suiting for everybody.

Your third point: If you want to contribute certain amounts, you have to become a premium member
First of all, to explain which rewards are for Premium Members and which aren't:
Girls can offer pictures and videos for normal members.
The rewards accessible only for Premium Members are:
- Worn goods
- Live Cam rewards
- Personalised rewards
You're right, the price of the reward doesn't count, it's only it's type that matters here.
The reason for the Premium Membership is financial.
As you said, we're offering a payout of 80%, which means that PBG gets 20% of every fund. While this may actually seem pretty high, compared to other crowdfunding projects, it's really the best we can offer. The billing costs for online billing systems like Zombaio or Epoch are considerably higher than the ones for normal billing systems. 75% of the share we get is left with the billing processor. And there are still other expenses like staff cost, advertising costs, server costs etc. Of course, PBG is still a new platform which will, in the future, attire more users and the sales will increase. But the 80% we offer will, also in the future, leave us with losses. That's why we needed to further monetise (is this even an English word?) the features of PBG, so that this project will be able to stand alone and to cover its expenses.
Apart from that, the business model is not new, we adapted it from sites like Amazon, My Dirty Hobby and so on.
I can understand that you, as those practically are our problems and not yours, don't necessarily appreciate this reason, but for us, it's indispensable to plan the medium-term future of this project.
However, we plan to extend the features for Premium Members in the future so they can benefit even more from their membership.

Jerry, about your comment: We are a crowdfunding platform, not a porn platform. The thing that comes along with that is that members don't just buy porn, but they're buying porn from girls they've come to know and to take an interest in - they know what the money is going to be spent on and which amount of money really ends on the girls' side. We intended to make things more transparent, more personal and more fair that way. Of course I can't make you being impressed by PBG just by blablaing, I simply wanted to leave this here as a comment

And Fay: It is and will be next to impossible for adult companies to integrate PayPal as official billing system. We already had a talk with them three times and they simply won't accept us. As for Epoch, we're working on its integration, that won't take long anymore.

I hope I haven't bugged you too much with this long answer! And if this wasn't clear already: I really appreciate that you guys give your opinions about PBG, it means much to us and we'll try to implement any suggestions for improvement that can be realised, like the issue with the VAT.

If you still have any more comments, questions etc., please write me!

 

[suramas]

There's a 23% tax for members who want to contribute
The thing is that it's annoying for the members not to pay the amount they originally wanted to pay, but to get the VAT on top of that. There's the solution of adding the VAT directly on the campaign pages so that the member pays the price he originally saw.

I think it would be better for members to donate the amount of money they want and you take a % of the given amount.
If I've 100$ to donate I don't want to do the math to know how much I actually have to donate to keep the donation+taxes=100$.
It would be nice for a member also to know immediately how much the girl is going to get from a donation, BEFORE the donation happens.
Example: I donate 50$ to a girl's campaign. As soon as I type 50 I'd like to know that she'd get 30.

And Fay: It is and will be next to impossible for adult companies to integrate PayPal as official billing system. We already had a talk with them three times and they simply won't accept us.

MFC has recently added PayPal in the payments option I think

 

[hapa74]

I would love to read some members' opinions especially on points 1 and 3... Is having to create a free account to be able contribute anything at all, or having to get a premium membership for that price to be able to get certain rewards going to steer you away from the site and make it less likely for you to contribute?

Honestly, I have absolutely no problem with creating a free account, I find that no different than MFC (and I may do it just to investigate further). I do have an issue with having to pay for a "premium membership" with a re occurring monthly charge for certain things. I've had problems with things like that in the past, so I would most likely steer away from something like that again. It just seems very limiting or even a deterrent in my opinion. I would have to have a really good reason to sign up for a premium membership.

Tbh the name "Piggy Bank Girls" was a bit of a turn off from the start. As soon as I saw it I thought "money grab", probably because it has the word "bank" in it, but that's probably just me. It was only because of the back and forth in this thread that I was intrigued enough to even look into it.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I have mixed feelings on this. I think it could be great for models or maybe a double-edged sword, and I think it could be good or bad for members, depending how it's used. I do like the fundamental idea of an adult crowdsourcing platform though, and I can see it doing well.

Currently, pretty much anything offered on the site (worn panties, custom videos, pic sets, personalised content, what have you) is typically offered by models through the site they cam from or their own personal website. So I don't see the site offering members anything that they can't already obtain. And with the current business model re: premium memberships plus the tax issue, it's probably going to work out cheaper for members to buy those things via the avenues that are already available to them. The only way around that, would be for models to start making content available exclusively through your website, but then they'd be forfeiting the camscore benefits that come with selling content through MFC (assuming they're an MFC model). And if they do go that route, it's likely to wind up costing their members more money for the same product, and what with members having a finite amount of money to spend on what amounts to luxury items, this could negatively affect their earnings through the site they cam from. None of which is your problem, but it's something worth considering for models and members of camsites before making use of your site. I do appreciate that cam girls and members of cam sites will only amount to a segment of your potential customer base though.

And with regards to the premium membership, I certainly understand that as a business, the ability for models to get in touch with backers to seek further backing is appealing to you, but as a potential user of your site, that's something that would deter me from signing up. If I decide to back a model's pledge, the last thing I want is a deluge of emails asking me for more money for future pledges.

But despite my reservations, I can see the site doing well :twocents-02cents:

 

[SenaLuna]

*bites lip*

I have to ask, are you taking any steps to ensure quality control? I've seen crowdfunding abused for entitlement's sake, where people have essentially funded several thousand dollar projects and backers have been waiting over a year for their rewards, or the campaign ends up being one giant scam with very poor quality rewards.

Also every project on your site has been 404ing for the past hour. Ruh roh.

 

[lexi_love]

I would love to read some members' opinions especially on points 1 and 3... Is having to create a free account to be able contribute anything at all, or having to get a premium membership for that price to be able to get certain rewards going to steer you away from the site and make it less likely for you to contribute?

I just went and looked at all their FAQ sections for guest, premium and 'girl's' as well as the terms of use.
I also did the math going with an imaginary $50 contribution and the VAT, recurring monthly membership and funding fees they deduct.

After looking at it all, I have to be honest here. I see no reason for me to join. It really offers no incentive that I can see. I want a video or a pair of panties, whatever. I can get those on any other site for less money and less hassle. I don't really have any comment on the layout of the site itself, it may be great, I just didn't create even a guest account to go and look.

Sorry, but since you asked, not really impressed with it. That said I'm sure there's people who have never discovered other better sites and will stumble across that first. So it might do quite well.

I was thinking the same thing. I would have better luck putting a goal in my topic for a month or on my profile like raffle style and getting my regulars to tip towards it instead of creating accounts on another site and adding more confusion.

 

[MissHannelore]

*bites lip*

I have to ask, are you taking any steps to ensure quality control? I've seen crowdfunding abused for entitlement's sake, where people have essentially funded several thousand dollar projects and backers have been waiting over a year for their rewards, or the campaign ends up being one giant scam with very poor quality rewards.

Also every project on your site has been 404ing for the past hour. Ruh roh.

Backers of girls on PBG get their rewards immediately after their payment is complete. The girls upload their content as they create their campaign. However I am not sure how the live shows or physical goods are 'policed' as that wasn't an option when I set up my successful fund last year.

 

[PiggyBankGirls]

First of all, thanks for all the feedback!

To your comments:

suramas: I think that'd be the best way to do it. Somehow, we have to integrate the taxes after the girl has entered the amount and before the member gets to see it, and both sides have to understand the nature of the price - because when we just take the VAT from the girls' fees, the payout for them isn't 80% anymore, and that would not be how we imagined it. I'm talking with our development team about the matter, I agree that this has to be changed.
And if MFC really has a PayPal option now, that would be unique in the adult industry, but it probably could be explained with the size of their company, that PayPal actually makes an exception because they can make a ton of money with it. I think for normal/small companies, they'll still not offer it.

hapa74: Well, I get that - about the membership, I already explained that above. We're aware of the disadvantages, but we're dependent on the advantages... As for the name, it's a matter of taste.

mynameisbob84: I'm not sure how to answer this. Maybe this: It's not mandatory to obtain a Premium Membership, the VAT has to be payed with every online purchase and the girls set the prices themselves. So whether the content is actually more expensive than the one on other sites depends on the girls. We've also thought that, with a payout of 80%, girls are more likely to set lower prices, as they get more out of it, and with lower prices, members are also more satisfied. This is just a thought, please tell me if I'm wrong.
And to the email bombardment that comes with a Premium Membership: It also comes with a normal membership - it's just a way of marketing. Personally, I'm also really pissed about getting a flood of mails in my inbox, but that's what the "unsubscribe" button is for - if you don't want to, you won't get a single marketing mail from us.

SenaLuna: We have quality control in different kinds. First of all, we control the quality and availability of the rewards. Donors get videos and pictures immediately after funding. As for the custom rewards, cam shows or worn goods, we have to rely on the girls - but backers can contact us in case that a reward has been missing for some time, and we then contact the girl - if there's no response or the reward still isn't sent to the member, we give the money back. We also try to get "proves" of campaign successes like for example Zelda with her new glasses, Cammi on her trip in DC etc. which we post on our blog so that the members can see that the money has actually been used for what the girl indicated in her fund.
About the 404s: That's not how it was supposed to be ;( we're looking into it.

lexi_love: Well, in the end, this is your decision. We offer 80% payout, I think that's a point that speaks for our site, but I get it that it can be confusing if you have projects on a thousand sites at once.

MissHannelore: Right now, we don't have another policy than relying on you guys - like I already said somewhere above, both members and girls can complain (e.g. if a reward hasn't been sent or if a member has been insulting/harassing) and we'll consequently take the necessary action.

Thank you really much for all your comments, we're taking them all into consideration and see what we can change on the site to satisfy everybody's needs and wishes. Please keep commenting!

 

[LilyMarie]

The 23% VAT is now automatically added to the price a girl has set, and displayed on her fund. I.e., all prices that were previously displayed as $15 are now $18.75, which is good, this makes it more transparent for the user; he immediately sees how much he'll end up paying.

The minimum price that a girl can set for her rewards remains $15, unfortunately.
Including the VAT, this means that a user has to pay $18.75 to be able to get the cheapest reward. I think that this is a problem. I don't want anyone to have to pay $18.75 for a photo set, for example - that could be up to 375 tokens in MFC terms. :?

I asked PBG about this in DM today, and apparently this might change when/if they have a new payment processor.
The guy I was talking to suggested that I upload a video together with a photo set, and setting a price for the combination of both. But people who only want to buy the photo set (e.g. because they have everything else by me) are out of luck if they don't want to spend $18.75.

I've also been thinking a lot about the 20% fee that PBG gets. At first I thought, 20% is so little, 80% is so much, this is awesome.
However if you add the 23% VAT, the girl ends up not receiving 43% of what the member paid. Which is pretty much MFC standards, and this is not a camsite, and it doesn't have a camsite's costs. I just don't know if it can be justified.

I love PBG's concept and style so, so much but the costs are just... ugh.

 

[LilyMarie]

I don't want anyone to have to pay $18.75 for a photo set, for example - that could be up to 375 tokens in MFC terms. :?

I can't edit the post anymore - sorry, I obviously made a dumb mistake here. It should be about 180 tokens, not 375; I accidentally multiplied 18.75 with 20, out of habit


Anyway, here's another thing...
The nag screen asking people to make an account before they can even look at a girl's intro video or the rewards she offers needs to go IMO.
I made a bit.ly link to my fund that I use every time I promote it on Twitter. This way, I can keep track of how many clicks it has gotten. It's been 561 as of now, in the almost 5 days that I've been using it. When I think about how many semi-curious people who clicked, simply closed the tab as soon as the site asked them to make an account before being able to see anything, I get a little nauseous to be honest.
It would be infinitely more useful in a marketing sense if everybody was able to watch our intro videos and see what rewards we're offering, instead of being chased away by a view-blocking, inescapable "you have to log in first" kind of popup.

(The "you ensure their safety and privacy" is pretty misleading, by the way. No one's privacy is ensured; anybody can make a free account, and there's no geo-blocking. I don't understand the reasoning behind having to make an account to view funds at all. Maybe an option would be taking the "some" in "some of our girls are shy" seriously, and letting each girls decide whether a visitor has to make an account to be able to view her fund?)

 

[LilyMarie]

I'm sorry about the triple post, but here's a bit of an update, as I have to correct what I said earlier...

The minimum price that a girl can set for her rewards remains $15, unfortunately.
Including the VAT, this means that a user has to pay $18.75 to be able to get the cheapest reward.

The PBG guy just looked into this again and DMed me that the minimum is actually $10, not $15.
When I made my fund, the FAQ said it was $15, and it still does: http://i.imgur.com/aACaOPF.png
(If I had known that it was $10, I would have set my solo video prices to $10 instead of $15... Now I'm unable to change the prices of those rewards that have already been sold. :|)

 

[Teagan]

They could have one of those boxes to sign up that slide up and down the page while someone scrolls to look at the girls page right? Those are non intrusive (as long as it is just a small clickable box like most are, certainly better than a giant ad IMHO) Then they can at least see the girls page, intro videos, etc and still sign up easily if they want.

Personally the second one of those giant sign up boxes appear before I can even look at a page I close the whole thing. I will never sign up for a site I cant even see first. That's insane.

 

[Gen]

Wow - I just watched Nicole's video and when I went to look at Lily's, there was no way around the popup - I tried harder than I imagine the average viewer would. It just seems like a good way to stop guys from spending money...? I bet if you tracked the pages that different viewers clicked, most people don't donate to the first fund they click on, especially if they're coming from the homepage and not clicking Lily's direct link (for example). It's like on a camsite, someone might click into five or ten or twenty different rooms before buying a camshow...but if you stop him from doing that, he'll just leave and go elsewhere.

I really hope you guys will consider changing that!

 

[PiggyBankGirls]

I've also been thinking a lot about the 20% fee that PBG gets. At first I thought, 20% is so little, 80% is so much, this is awesome.
However if you add the 23% VAT, the girl ends up not receiving 43% of what the member paid. Which is pretty much MFC standards, and this is not a camsite, and it doesn't have a camsite's costs. I just don't know if it can be justified.

PiggyBankGirls takes 20% of the amount the girl indicates. Let me do some math as well and give you an example of what the costs are if we include the 23% VAT and then only take 20% of that amount:
Let's assume a goal amount of $100. Including the VAT, it will be $123. 80% of that are $98.4. Then we have to pay the VAT of $23, and we have to pay the billing processor who takes 14%. This makes another $17.22. So if we'd include the VAT before paying out 80%, it would leave us with $15.62 we'd need to pay for every $100. And those $15.62 still don't comprehend server costs, staff wages, display advertising etc.
Actually, also without including the VAT before calculating the 80%, we lose money, but PBG is still new and it needs some time to develop a system that is satisfactory to everybody. For the time being, we give as much as we possibly can to you guys.

This is not a camsite, and it doesn't have a camsite's costs

I'm not sure where this information is coming from. Actually, we have exactly the costs of a camsite, meaning the VAT, the billing processor, server costs etc. In fact, if MFC would be allowed to use PayPal now, they'd have much lower costs than PiggyBankGirls.

The nag screen asking people to make an account before they can even look at a girl's intro video or the rewards she offers needs to go

Due to the many complaints we received on ACF because of this, we decided to alter the screen. It'll appear, but it will only appear on every 3rd campaign that a user is trying to have a look at, and there'll be an option to close it.

The PBG guy just looked into this again and DMed me that the minimum is actually $10, not $15.

We're sorry about that, it only came to our notice with your communication, and it's not set in the FAQ yet because we haven't officially confirmed it yet with our billing processor.

Thanks again for all the feedback, it definitely makes us improve (can you even say it like that in English :? )

 

[Fay_Galore]

The nag screen asking people to make an account before they can even look at a girl's intro video or the rewards she offers needs to go

Due to the many complaints we received on ACF because of this, we decided to alter the screen. It'll appear, but it will only appear on every 3rd campaign that a user is trying to have a look at, and there'll be an option to close it.

This was like a 'dealbreaker' to me, happy you took on our opinions!

 

[LilyMarie]

PiggyBankGirls takes 20% of the amount the girl indicates. Let me do some math as well and give you an example of what the costs are if we include the 23% VAT and then only take 20% of that amount:
Let's assume a goal amount of $100. Including the VAT, it will be $123. 80% of that are $98.4. Then we have to pay the VAT of $23, and we have to pay the billing processor who takes 14%. This makes another $17.22. So if we'd include the VAT before paying out 80%, it would leave us with $15.62 we'd need to pay for every $100. And those $15.62 still don't comprehend server costs, staff wages, display advertising etc.
Actually, also without including the VAT before calculating the 80%, we lose money, but PBG is still new and it needs some time to develop a system that is satisfactory to everybody. For the time being, we give as much as we possibly can to you guys.

Thanks for explaining! But then, even when you don't include the VAT (i.e. the way that you're doing it now) you currently only make $2.78 off of a $100 goal if I'm not mistaken?

123
-80 for the girl
-23 VAT
-17.22 billing processor
=2.78

And with my current $2000 goal, if that one gets finished 100%, you only gain $55.60. :shock:

2000 goal = $2460 when you add the VAT
2460
-1600 for the girl
-460 VAT
-344.40 payment processor
= 55.60

And that's without having covered any of your server costs, advertising and staff salaries o____o
I don't want to seem like I'm butting in (but I totally am, I know), and it's none of my business, but isn't that a big problem? I had no idea that the percentage that Zombaio takes is that high, for example. For some reason I thought it would be around 3%.
Another thing that was mentioned in the models only section of this forum by a different camgirl who currently lives in Germany - since your company is located in Germany, why aren't you paying a 19% VAT?


The solution you found for the log-in-screen is great! Very happy to hear that.



I'd like to ask the members around here if they have an issue with not being able to download pictures in a picture set they got as a reward.

A regular contributed for a photo set that I made exclusively for my PBG fund; turns out that he can't download it and can only view the pictures on the site. He can download every image individually by right-clicking and saving, but he can't download all the pictures at once, and there's 72 of them in this particular set. :?
I ended up uploading them as a zip file on a different host, and sending him the download link for that, so that he can have them on his PC.

I was very surprised that downloading is not an option (girls don't have access to viewing their own rewards, and it's not in the FAQ AFAIK, so I didn't know that) - so I sent PBG a pretty upset DM about it, but now I wonder if members maybe don't see it as that much of a problem? I personally would want to be able to download content I bought to my computer, and not only be able to see it on the site, in case the site is down or gets closed permanently someday.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

So like, I can't be the only one that finds the name condescending and embarrassing and kinda hilarious, right? PiggyBankGirls? lmao Sounds like camgirls are little kids, please donate to my piggybank!! Could have picked a less embarrassing and childish name. I've just always thought piggybanks were associated with kids and this could turn off a bunch of customers.

 

[IndicaDesires]

So like, I can't be the only one that finds the name condescending and embarrassing and kinda hilarious, right? PiggyBankGirls? lmao Sounds like camgirls are little kids, please donate to my piggybank!! Could have picked a less embarrassing and childish name. I've just always thought piggybanks were associated with kids and this could turn off a bunch of customers.

I think it's cute. A little juvenile, maybe, but not really condescending. It's easy to remember and catchy. And I still have a piggy bank, didn't realize cute stuff was only for kids

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Cute stuff is awesome and for everyone but most people associate piggybanks with teaching children how to save money. Camgirls aren't children. Just a really strange name for a porn fundraiser site imo, no offense intended.

 

[IndicaDesires]

Cute stuff is awesome and for everyone but most people associate piggybanks with teaching children how to save money. Camgirls aren't children. Just a really strange name for a porn fundraiser site imo, no offense intended.

I'm not offended. I suppose from a guys pov that it would just be childish. But from a female's perspective, it just seems adorable. And like I said, It's catchy and will draw attention. Besides, isn't the cute, youthful, and innocent look popular?

 

[BarbieLuv]

Cute stuff is awesome and for everyone but most people associate piggybanks with teaching children how to save money. Camgirls aren't children. Just a really strange name for a porn fundraiser site imo, no offense intended.

I'm not offended. I suppose from a guys pov that it would just be childish. But from a female's perspective, it just seems adorable. And like I said, It's catchy and will draw attention. Besides, isn't the cute, youthful, and innocent look popular?

Considering that the people you want to pledge toward any 'fund' on the site are generally going to be heterosexual males, the 'cutesy' name that seems slightly childish potentially being a turn-off is a pretty big deal. The site isn't supposed to just attract models who want to use it, but also grab the attention of the men who will be contributing towards girl's goals. It really does look like a more female-oriented site with the color scheme/layout and whatnot; if you look at most camsites, they stick to either masculine or neutral colors because hey, they know who they're marketing for.

I'm not saying to rename it 'My Fuck Fund' or anything, but I can definitely understand how the slightly childish name could potentially be off-putting to the heterosexual male demographic. And let's face it, they're going to chip in towards camgirl funds more than any other group.

 

[PiggyBankGirls]

I don't want to seem like I'm butting in (but I totally am, I know), and it's none of my business, but isn't that a big problem?

It kind of is - new projects can never be financed completely by themselves, that's normal I think, but the perspective obliges us to think on how to give the members the opportunity to enjoy additional features which come with a cost. We already talked about this when we discussed the Premium Membership

For some reason I thought it would be around 3%.

Actually even PayPal takes 3.4%... adult billing systems are much more expensive than mainstream billing systems.

why aren't you paying a 19% VAT?

Because Translease, the owner of PiggyBankGirls, is located in Ireland and the VAT there is 23%. The office in Germany from which PBG is administered and promoted is a branch of Translease.

The solution you found for the log-in-screen is great!

Thanks

I was very surprised that downloading is not an option

As I told you already on DM, we thought that girls, especially when they're amateurs who haven't published any erotic content yet, would appreciate the fact that rewards can't be downloaded so they'd not be nude on the internet from one moment to the other, and that girls who've already worked in the adult business would appreciate it as well because they don't get any money from the free distribution of their content. The option that you can save the pictures by right-clicking on them could seem to be a flaw, but with screenshots and the source code, there's always a way to save the content if you want to, so we just tried to make it more difficult. In doing this, we adjusted to sites like suicidegirls.com, there, it's exactly the same.

But are there any other opinions about that? Basically, we don't have any problems with making the content downloadable. It would be kind of negative for traffic as returning users are good for ratings and further sales, but it would increase the user experience. We just thought that you guys would appreciate that we try to keep your content from being distributed for free on the internet...

 

[PiggyBankGirls]

the 'cutesy' name that seems slightly childish potentially being a turn-off is a pretty big deal

I can definitely understand how the slightly childish name could potentially be off-putting to the heterosexual male demographic.

This is your opinion, and there may be arguments for that opinion. There are counter arguments as well (duckfaces, girls who write words like "purrrfect", porn sites with names like "barelylegal", the fact that "teens" is the most searched porn term, the sugardaddy image) but in the end, I guess it'll stay a matter of taste. So far, we've only received negative feedback about that from girls.

And let's face it, they're going to chip in towards camgirl funds more than any other group.

Sorry, I don't understand that, I'm German and "chip in" is beyond my English limits :?

 

[BarbieLuv]

the 'cutesy' name that seems slightly childish potentially being a turn-off is a pretty big deal

I can definitely understand how the slightly childish name could potentially be off-putting to the heterosexual male demographic.

This is your opinion, and there may be arguments for that opinion. There are counter arguments as well (duckfaces, girls who write words like "purrrfect", porn sites with names like "barelylegal", the fact that "teens" is the most searched porn term, the sugardaddy image) but in the end, I guess it'll stay a matter of taste. So far, we've only received negative feedback about that from girls.

And let's face it, they're going to chip in towards camgirl funds more than any other group.

Sorry, I don't understand that, I'm German and "chip in" is beyond my English limits :?

'Chip in' means 'pledge towards the fund'.

 

[Gen]

I assumed the name was meant to sound a little bit amateur with the intent of being like MyFreeImplants or MyGirlFund - meant to sound like a place that non-camgirls go to be naughty and make some extra money. It doesn't sound juvenile to me, it just sounds less like a place where professional camgirls go and more where I'd expect to find non-pro college girls just trying to pay tuition or whatever. Maybe I'm the only one who saw it that way but I think that attracts a certain kind of member just the same. MyGirlFund also has a pink, girly colour scheme and it's full of guys who like that kind of amateur nude thing rather than the career camgirl, and that site clearly does alright for itself from a financial standpoint. Just my two cents though!


But yeah - I would absolutely make the content downloadable! Guys who really want to save it would find a way to anyways, but if they're paying for it, they should get to keep it on their hard drive. That's something I think is really important!

 

[LaceyRoyce]

I'm in the process of posting a fund up now, I'd just like to say two things...

#1 I really want to be able to offer custom videos.... for high rewards. I don't see how i can do that.

#2 Please make us be able to make a downloadable option! If some girls don't like it then just put it as an option for the girl to choose (and make it clear to the consumer). I market that my content is downloadable to my guys. If they go here and can't download, I'm going to get negative feedback. My solution to this will be to provide links privately to anyone that can prove they contributed to my fund.

- I like the name. I think it suits

Oh one more suggestion - for worn lingerie... i charge a different price for US shipping vs worldwide. If we could have an option that allowed us to select 'domestic' shipping vs international.

 

[Rose]

I absolutely have to second Lolli's suggestion for customs!!!!!

Custom videos are a HUGE source of my income and can be incredibly lucrative. It would make marketing my fund a lot easier and draw in a bigger crowd if there was some way that I could offer custom videos/pictures through your site. Through twitter I have found several people that buy regular custom products from me and I could see them wanting to use your site if they could order customs through there. :twocents-02cents: