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I'm sure I'll be met with disagreement a bit on this one, but I actually think responses like hers (though it's her statement to make as she was the one called out) do more harm than good. In my opinion, the article about her doesn't just illustrate an issue for those of us who do adult work. The issue at the core of it is that in our culture it's considered fair game to question the choices of adult women. Every time a woman in sex work is questioned, the autoresponse is to climb up on the soapbox and yell about how happy she is. It's great if she likes her job, but let's be fair. Whose business is it other than her own if she loathes her job? Her personal feelings and sex work are irrelevant to the issue. Jumping onto that soapbox and yelling is like walking into the trap they've set. It says "Yeah. Let's discuss my personal, legal decision to do this job. It's your business too!".

Women are infantilized and disrespected by even allowing our decisions to be questioned. If a woman chooses a job that is male dominated or holds a little danger, she's questioned. If she chooses to work while having children, she's judged. If she chooses to focus on a job instead of finding a man and making babies, judged. If she chooses to stay home and let the father of her children handle the financial responsibility, judged.

No one asks dudes in porn why they do it. No one asks a dude why he would risk his life being a cop. No one would ask a dude why he spends his time as a garbage man. And, any dude who chooses to be a stay at home dad gets fucking accolades. But, if men were questioned about their choices they'd look stunned and not go into detail about how fulfilled they are. It's no one's business.

This girl would have done us all a favor by kicking the soap box out of her way, telling the writer of that article to kick rocks back to something worth debating, and continuing on with her business and her eduction. All women need to stand up for our right to make adult decisions good or bad without having to field questions.
 
She's doing exactly what men want want her to do and what women have been doing since the beginning of time. Awesome that she can feel empowered by it but the article was still boring and her views on sexuality seem to come from the 1940's.
 
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JickyJuly said:
No one asks dudes in porn why they do it. No one asks a dude why he would risk his life being a cop. No one would ask a dude why he spends his time as a garbage man. And, any dude who chooses to be a stay at home dad gets fucking accolades. But, if men were questioned about their choices they'd look stunned and not go into detail about how fulfilled they are. It's no one's business.

Cops get questioned about being cops all the time, specifically by their families because they put their lives and their families' livelihoods on the line. Garbage men are looked down upon as if they were intellectually incapable of finding more dignified work. Stay-at-home dads' masculinity is frequently questioned.

The young lady who wrote the article seems intelligent, if a little naive. Anyway, good luck to her.
 
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JickyJuly said:
No one asks dudes in porn why they do it. No one asks a dude why he would risk his life being a cop. No one would ask a dude why he spends his time as a garbage man. And, any dude who chooses to be a stay at home dad gets fucking accolades. But, if men were questioned about their choices they'd look stunned and not go into detail about how fulfilled they are. It's no one's business.

Cops get questioned about being cops all the time, specifically by their families because they put their lives and their families' livelihoods on the line. Garbage men are looked down upon as if they were intellectually incapable of finding more dignified work. Stay-at-home dads' masculinity is frequently questioned.

The young lady who wrote the article seems intelligent, if a little naive. Anyway, good luck to her.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report ... rki,35194/

On a serious note though...regardless of her particular response, she couldn't win, not if she chooses to defend her choices publicly, in a society that condemns them - she probably knows that.
 
JickyJuly said:
The issue at the core of it is that in our culture it's considered fair game to question the choices of adult women. Every time a woman in sex work is questioned, the autoresponse is to climb up on the soapbox and yell about how happy she is.

I seriously doubt that's the autoresponse. I'm sure there are far more 'freshman porn stars' (and camgirls) who don't take to the soapbox, than those who do, even if they are 'exposed.' But obviously we don't hear about them, because they don't want to be heard about.
 
JickyJuly said:
I'm sure I'll be met with disagreement a bit on this one, but I actually think responses like hers (though it's her statement to make as she was the one called out) do more harm than good. In my opinion, the article about her doesn't just illustrate an issue for those of us who do adult work. The issue at the core of it is that in our culture it's considered fair game to question the choices of adult women. Every time a woman in sex work is questioned, the autoresponse is to climb up on the soapbox and yell about how happy she is. It's great if she likes her job, but let's be fair. Whose business is it other than her own if she loathes her job? Her personal feelings and sex work are irrelevant to the issue. Jumping onto that soapbox and yelling is like walking into the trap they've set. It says "Yeah. Let's discuss my personal, legal decision to do this job. It's your business too!".

Women are infantilized and disrespected by even allowing our decisions to be questioned. If a woman chooses a job that is male dominated or holds a little danger, she's questioned. If she chooses to work while having children, she's judged. If she chooses to focus on a job instead of finding a man and making babies, judged. If she chooses to stay home and let the father of her children handle the financial responsibility, judged.

No one asks dudes in porn why they do it. No one asks a dude why he would risk his life being a cop. No one would ask a dude why he spends his time as a garbage man. And, any dude who chooses to be a stay at home dad gets fucking accolades. But, if men were questioned about their choices they'd look stunned and not go into detail about how fulfilled they are. It's no one's business.

This girl would have done us all a favor by kicking the soap box out of her way, telling the writer of that article to kick rocks back to something worth debating, and continuing on with her business and her eduction. All women need to stand up for our right to make adult decisions good or bad without having to field questions.

I think it would be great if we lived in a world where women weren't judged for choosing to work in the sex industry and therefore didn't need to defend themselves when questioned about their lifestyle. Clearly, we're not there yet though. I think the author did the right thing by contributing to a dialogue that there's still much need for. As long as there are men out there who think that because a woman chooses to have sex for money, she somehow "deserves to be raped", and as long as there are so-called feminists out there who think that women who choose to use their body as an asset are somehow undeserving of the equality and dearth of judgement that they're theoretically striving for; the author's message bears repeating again and again :twocents-02cents:
 
I think the point I was attempting to make was skewed somewhere. I don't think people should stop judging one another. Assessing others is human nature. Women, however, are scrutinized to a ridiculous point and the way we react perpetuates the cycle. If this woman wanted to open a dialogue about her personal path on her own terms, cool. But, the fact that she allowed a dialogue to be built up after being called out for a job that is legal gives credence to a story that's not news. When we react defensively to something that does not need to be defended, it looks sketchy and invites further questioning. The article about her might as well have been titled "I Found a Porn Chick Who Does Booklearnin'". In camgirl terms, she got trolled. Instead of just telling the troll to fuck off, she fed it hard. She made the first article look way more legit than it should and brought it a hell of a lot of attention.
 
I see what you're saying, Jicky, but I really appreciated her response. She separated women in the sex industry by choice vs. by force, which is not something most "happy porn ladies" do. And maybe it would have been more real and honest if she had talked about how sometimes she just fuckin hates her job, but I really believe she could not have won with everyone regardless of how she responded. And then thing I think a lot of us don't keep in mind is...this is not news to us, as "people in the industry." Hearing about well adjusted porn stars is something we don't bat an eye at because...well, this forum is full of 'em. But to your every day person I think her article might have resonated in some way and I am thankful for that.

I agree that women are judged far too harshly for their choices, but I see no reason people shouldn't speak out when they are. If she made just one person believe that sex workers are real people then I am all about this article.
 
I agree with BBellvue. I think the fact that this has blown up to the extent it has shows that there are still a lot of people that a message like this needs to reach. AND the fact that people are treating her as horribly as they are needs to be brought to light, in my opinion. The fact that there is nothing in our society to protect women like us from attacks like this, because society feels we are undeserving of it, is ridiculous. Also a lot of people dont realize that sex workers are just normal people. We can be smart, we can have dreams, we can be happy, and we arent a bunch of women who daddy didnt love. Her being a student at Duke really shows that. If she had ignored all this she would be suffering in silence, and a chance to bring the story from the perspective an actual sex worker to people who otherwise may have never heard it would have been swept under the rug. She wasnt forced to respond. She chose to speak to her schools paper about working in porn.
 
The only thing that stood out immediately was the "I wouldn't want to work for a company who'd discriminate against sex workers".

Whilst on one hand I can completely and utterly agree, it should not be a barrier to a job; If you are qualified, and the right person, you should get it.

But I can kind of see how even the most liberal of minded HR people would think... "this is a potential sexual harassment suit waiting to happen" from other employees thinking they're either having banter, or worse, thinking they may be able score. Yeah, the latter types should definitely be fired but if it's not all transparent there's a potential lawsuit.

It must be really hard. It's not how the company treats individuals, it's how individuals employed by said company may behave.
 
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Zoomer said:
But I can kind of see how even the most liberal of minded HR people would think... "this is a potential sexual harassment suit waiting to happen" from other employees thinking they're either having banter, or worse, thinking they may be able score. Yeah, the latter types should definitely be fired but if it's not all transparent there's a potential lawsuit.
I don't think I follow this...how is formerly - or even currently - working as a porn star a "potential sexual harassment suit waiting to happen"? You think some guys just should be excused from sexually-harassing sex-workers who work in a non-sexual role with them or in some other job? Is it okay to date-rape prostitutes too then?
 
No. I think you're intentionally misunderstanding the post to try and put something in there that wasn't, then cranking it up further by adding a load of insinuations on top.

Read again. :hand:
 
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Well played that psychologist. The look on the presenters face when it became clear that the psychologist wasn't going to shame the student was priceless... "but, but, this doesn't fit our tidy little narrative... sex is icky... this harlot should be publically shamed... I better passive aggressively do some shaming and voice my own irrational fears and protestations under the guise of speaking for the audience...".
 
I've never understood why right-wing Religious moralists and extreme feminists get together to proclaim porn work "exploits women." The girls get good money (far more than the guys), work in a clean, air conditioned environment, and go home after a couple of hours of work.

I had a "legit" job that paid some of my college expenses- working construction part time for just above minimum wage. Busted my ass in the hot sun all day, eating cement dust. Came home at the end of the day filthy, exhausted, and with about as much money as that porn girl made in minutes.

Hell, I would have loved to be "exploited" by porn rather than doing that job. :)
 
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I've never understood why right-wing Religious moralists and extreme feminists get together to proclaim porn work "exploits women."

So you think it's just the 'right-wing Religious moralists' and feminists that think porn exploits women?

I'd be willing to bet that a very large majority of left wing liberals would say the same thing. It's a stigma that crosses all political lines and genders. How many left wing mothers do you think would suggest porn as a career for their daughters?

Even Playboy is skeptical of her feminist porn argument

If you haven’t heard, there’s a freshman at Duke University who moonlights as a porn star. During school breaks, Belle Knox (that’s her porn name — she’s still keeping her real name under wraps) flies to Los Angeles and shoots adult films. She uses the money she makes to pay for college…as well as purchase iPad minis and designer handbags, according to a profile of her in the Duke Chronicle. Her identity was revealed on campus in January when a male friend got drunk at a fraternity rush event and told others. The story of the freshman porn star quickly spread by word of mouth and text.

Initially, Knox shied away from the spotlight after being criticized by her fellow students and receiving anonymous sexual threats. But soon, the future gender studies major who says she’s a Libertarian decided to use her notoriety to become a voice of feminism in the porn industry and disclosed her story to XO Jane, the Cut and other blogs.

On Tuesday, Knox was again a top search term when Playboy published an interview with her in which she revealed her porn name for the first time. Again, she tried to make her case for adult films as a venue of female empowerment saying that while many feminists fight against the porn industry — arguing it degrades and objectifies women, gives a generation of porn-obsessed men unrealistic sexual expectations, and overall hurts our relationships — there needs to be someone within the porn industry fighting for women’s sexual autonomy as well as their self-expression.

It’s a sophisticated argument from a student at an elite school. But even with Playboy it fell flat after the interviewer repeatedly questioned her about some of the more degrading things she’d done on camera. And it’s gone nowhere with her peers online who have been brutal in their critiques: “So being choked, spit on and degraded is now empowering? Feminist logic…I’d rather have my dignity and loans than work as a prostitute. I’m sure Daddy’s proud,” someone commented on a Collegiate ACB board.

Perhaps Knox thought that the judgements against her would be less virulent from a generation that has grown up with unlimited access to porn. But though we’re living in an era when everything from clothing ads to salad dressing commercials is verging on soft core porn, she’s finding that there’s still a stigma attached to actual sex on camera. And now the freshman, who might have thought she had control of the situation when she was anonymous, finds herself on the defensive, even when questioned by the very industry she’s trying to defend. The Playboy interviewer was skeptical of the idea that porn was the only way Knox could have paid for school:

PLAYBOY: Is that what this is really about for you—the skyrocketing cost of higher education in America?

KNOX: Absolutely. My story is a testament to how fucking expensive school is. The fact that the only viable options to pay for college are to take out gigantic student loans, to not go to college at all or to join the sex industry really says something. We need to recognize that there’s a gap between what middle-class and upper-middle-class families can pay and what they’re asked to pay. We also need to stop looking at loans as a solution to fix our education system, because they’re crippling our economy.
Student loans are an absurd burden on anyone, but most students find jobs on campus — doing research for professors, working at local stores, writing. Porn may feel more empowering to the self-identified libertarian Knox than waitressing, but I promise that her frat boy peers won’t see it that way. And employers definitely won’t see it that way. (Knox says she hopes to be a women’s rights and civil rights lawyer.)​

The rest of the interview degrades her even further, asking her questions about her parents’ reaction to the news that she has sex for money and constantly referring to the “facials” she receives in many of her pornos. Knox’s quest to put a positive, feminist spin on her work is failing. In most adult films, women are depicted as objects who are there to please the man in whatever way he might choose. And as Gloria Steinem pointed out typical pornography normalizes a relationship of dominance between men and women. So it’s not surprising to note Knox’s protestations that anyone who derides porn is sexist aren’t gaining much traction.

If Playboy is questioning your foray into the porn industry, you know you have a problem.

But before we mock Knox for her naiveté, remember that Knox is a freshman. Teenagers are not great at making life decisions, and it seems based on her interviews that Knox is just as much a confused adolescent as her peers in college. Sure, slut shaming her for her choices is wrong. It’s her body, she can do what she wants with it. But she doesn’t know how to process her newfound fame. The Duke Chronicle article reads: “In our first conversation, she mentioned her complete fear of the news going public, but in one of our most recent conversations, she giggled and asked, ‘Do you think I’ll be on Ellen?’”

College years are full of bad decisions that we must justify to ourselves and our roommates later in our dorm rooms. For most, you live, you learn, you move on. But this decision will likely haunt Knox for the rest of her college and professional career.

http://time.com/13095/the-duke-porn-sta ... he-claims/
 
I imagine what happened to this poor girl must be pretty close to the worst nightmare of some undercover camgirls :/

I think at this point - in fact since that guy first outed her - she's just trying to make the best out of a bad situation; in some ways she's made it much, much worse unless she can really make it big as a porn actress.
 
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