"Don't Watch This Model" threads

[AlexLady]

While I know I have the option of not reading threads that bother me, I still open them to see what the subject is before I continue reading or not.

I'm tired of the "don't watch this model" type threads.

It's not that so many of the threads are just gossip and drama, and a few members on the forum (model and otherwise,) like it.

It's that... we don't do that about every member who is retarded, rude, or tries to scam us. I don't think it should be acceptable for anyone to do that to a model either.

I mean, even if she's scammed or something it's still a manor of trolling, except posters justify it due to their dislike of her.

We can't have a blacklist against members, but somehow it's ok for there to be one for models apparently.


I mean; people have this ability to judge someone themselves. If you don't like her, you don't watch her. That's what the next button is for. That's all it takes.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

It's a double edged sword, Alex.

On one hand, it's calling out models who make other models look bad and makes members not want to continue on the site. I don't know if it's the worst thing in the world to make people aware that these models do exist and one shouldn't just go in and tip a model without know how that model will respond to their request. Information isn't a bad thing and ACF is meant to be informative to some extent.

On the other hand, it does bring negativity and drama to the forums which is something that none of us need. This is also supposed to be a fun place and the negative shit isn't fun.

I think it's worth knowing this stuff, but some of us (myself included) have gone too far with this too.

 

[SatanJonez]

I agree with Alex & I think the thing that bugs me the most is models aren't really allowed to openly accuse members the same way members are allowed (in some cases encouraged) to bash models. With members you guys can do what Alex has said & "just click next"...on the other hand a lot of models have to go to greater length to get rid of some members (some even so far as legal action) and aren't really allowed to warn other models in a public form. Kind of sucks...

 

[AlexLady]

Keep in mind we don't do this privately in the model's only forum either. It's just not necessary or welcomed. Yet somehow it is to do it to models.

I get what you're trying to say Mikey, but conciser this: Anything you say to justify why there should be threads against models holds true to why we should do it towards members, even though we'd never do such a thing.


Take it this way;

"On one hand, it's calling out members who make other members look bad and makes models not want to continue on the site. I don't know if it's the worst thing in the world to make people aware that these members do exist and one shouldn't just go and ban that member without knowing how that member would act in her room."

Yet it's information, so we should post it, right?

I mean, if you can have threads saying "this model is a token begging bitch who scams, don't visit her" I should make a thread with a list of names saying "this member is a begging asshole who doesn't tip, ban him from your rooms."

The sad thing is that there are models who would ban him just from seeing his name in a thread, just as premiums might avoid a model whoms name they see here. Even though people have the tools such as the next button one click away, they don't use it. Worst of all, people turn those threads into gossip rather than forming their own opinion of the model. So yeah, it's not true that people won't just visit her solely because of a thread as we have seen in previous topics members were even asking for names just so that they -didn't- visit her without even knowing her name, let alone having their own opinion of her.



I'm sure you've all been banned from one room or another. How would you feel if every time it happened a model posted her reasonings as to why she did it and why other girls should do the same?

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I totally get that, Alex. I can't say that I disagree with you. If Amber came here today and said "no more threads about scamming models, fake raffles and the like," I'd say "OK, boss" and move on.

My only counter argument would be something like the thread about members quotes that make you say "WTF?" Couldn't that be considered something where members are called out for their stupidity? Even the models version of that thread can be considered the same type of stuff as the threads you're talking about here. I know I've seen some stuff in both threads that made me say "don't watch this model" or "keep an eye out for that idiot member."

Ultimately, I agree with you Alex. They should stop. It's gone too far in some cases. I'm just playing devil's advocate here (it's a role I'm not opposed to playing in debates).

PS- I'm wondering if Amber will want to kick my ass for that "OK, boss" line.

 

[Sevrin]

I'm sure you've all been banned from one room or another.

I can't say that I have. I've fallen out with models, and badly, but we knew each other too well for it to come to that.

I do applaud you for bringing this up, but a lot of the negative threads seem to be started by new members who have made little else in the way of contribution to our forums and mostly come here to air some grievance. Pleas like this will likely be ignored by them and their ilk.

 

[AmberCutie]

I don't want a blacklist thread about members in the models only section because I don't think it's fair that members can't defend themselves about what's said. Anything in the public forum is view-able by the masses, and allows anyone who's called out to speak up and defend themselves if they want/need to.

 

[Bocefish]

The only bad mouthing model/member threads I appreciate are substantiated ones that alert people of thieving beeotches and douche canoe members. I've seen a few models share scammin' member info too. If it's for the general good of the models or members, I don't see a problem provided it's factual.

 

[AlexLady]

Exactly Mikey.

I know I'm just a member here but still it's gone out of line plenty of times.

But I guess you're right Amber, I can see us saying things here where they could defend themselves, but eh... it'd come off as bad rep on the model's part because it's her job to deal with it.


I just think it's been a bit too much lately and isn't necessary.

 

[schlmoe]

I have no problem calling out bad guys or bad gals, whether they are on the member side or the model side. These people who create disharmony (putting it mildly) on the site can ruin the experience for others and they should be outed.

This is a pretty nice place, where both model and member can let their hair down, get informed about goings on, have spirited discussions and and sometimes laugh up their sleeves at the foibles of their lessors. Should those "outing" threads be allowed here? That's going to have to be an executive decision. If you put it up to a poll, I'd say "yes", but with some caveats.

It's already been noted that a lot of brand new forum members post their vitriol and it sits like a bomb waiting to go off. I have been on many forums that won't publish new members comments until the mod approves it. That might help, as after the poster cools off, he may think better of it.

Another thing that I wouldn't mind seeing is threads being locked. I'm just as guilty as anyone else in beating a dead horse into the ground. Sometimes everyone's tempers have cooled over a certain thread, and I'll happen by. Just trying to prove that I'm a better smart-ass than everybody else, the whole thing blows up again.

Anyway, all's I done is to suggest that Amber do more free work around here. Don't know how she feels about that.

 

[Jupiter551]

There's no blacklist - they're discussions not trials. In the absence of evidence most readers I think give the benefit of the doubt - not that we have any "power" over any outcome anyway - it's just a discussion.

If someone comes accusing a model with no proof and no corroboration - if their story just didn't add up, they get shouted down right quick.

There isn't and shouldn't be a blacklist, and people should make up their own minds about what constitutes the type of person they'd like to spend time with online. In one particular case for instance, a thread about fake raffles, I wouldn't now consider buying a raffle ticket from that particular model (too much doesn't add up to me) but I'd have no issues spending tokens on her in other ways.

If a member scams you or something post it if you want, I doubt anyone here would blink. And anyway there are posts here and there warning against members who scam ie with wishlists and stuff.

The idea kind of reminds me of legal agreements not to talk bad about your employer (even if you know they just vaporized 200 people during an experiment and made out to the press it was an accident). I hate that kind of shit, people should be free to speak their minds as others should be free to respond in kind.


**Schlmoe - just read your post - regarding new members who sign up and post something vitriolic; for me the fact that they signed up to post a complaint says volumes, and without serious stuff backing up what they're saying they're rarely ever taken seriously.

 

[AlexLady]

Yeah but is every model like that worth starting a thread over? I mean, on one hand, we have a 1500 camscore model who is obviously not someone most people would tip anyways because her show sucks. On another there's a model who has children on her cam and has been doing it for months with thousands of people seeing.

It's just not necessary to make a thread against every "bad" model, just as we don't need to make one on every member who says "show ass" 100 times in a row.

 

[Sevrin]

It's already been noted that a lot of brand new forum members post their vitriol and it sits like a bomb waiting to go off. I have been on many forums that won't publish new members comments until the mod approves it. That might help, as after the poster cools off, he may think better of it.

Some forum software allows administrators to prevent members from making new threads until they have made a set number of posts in existing threads. I don't know if phpBB has tools like that, but it might be worth considering. It might help new members to cool off before they start denunciation threads.

 

[Traditio]

Some forum software allows administrators to prevent members from making new threads until they have made a set number of posts in existing threads. I don't know if phpBB has tools like that, but it might be worth considering. It might help new members to cool off before they start denunciation threads.

Only cool if it can be set differently for the different boards. As a lot of the models start with a post in the advertise-section i would hate to loose those posts.

 

[Belgian]

Only cool if it can be set differently for the different boards. As a lot of the models start with a post in the advertise-section i would hate to loose those posts.

phpBB or any forumsoftware package for that matter can be modified to support this kind of functionality and you can make it so it applies only to certain forumids (you will not loose that type of posts).I am more familiar with vBulletin but i know phpBB can do that to.

 

[Sevrin]

It's usually set to something like 5 posts, not a hundred. One post in the intro thread and a few of lols in the screen-cap threads and you're done.

 

[Bocefish]

Yeah but is every model like that worth starting a thread over? I mean, on one hand, we have a 1500 camscore model who is obviously not someone most people would tip anyways because her show sucks. On another there's a model who has children on her cam and has been doing it for months with thousands of people seeing.

It's just not necessary to make a thread against every "bad" model, just as we don't need to make one on every member who says "show ass" 100 times in a row.

Totally agree Alex, and nobody is doing that. However, a heads up on the more egregious ones that involve THIEVERY on either side of the aisle could probably benefit most of us.

 

[AmberCutie]

Can we stop all the speculating on which PHPBB options can be set for this or that? I'm not making any changes right now, I don't see anything wrong with the threads that are being posted, and I think it's hilarious that THIS thread even exists. If I had a problem with a post or thread, I would have dealt with it. If you have a problem with a thread, you can either click past it, or send a PM to me or report it and then I can decide if it's worth doing anything about.

This should sum up my thoughts on it pretty well, combined with this thread I made earlier.

 

[AlexLady]

I started this thread by saying I know I didn't have to read them.

 

[AmberCutie]

I started this thread by saying I know I didn't have to read them.

I know, yet you still posted that they shouldn't exist. This forum is for discussion about everything under the sun, but especially about MFC and cam sites/models. Instead of going on to post this thread (twice, as there is one exactly like it in models only area and I'm not afraid to say that here) you could have just moved along. And now that a billion people have thanked you for the initial post, I'm sure you feel completely justified in it. I hate to say this, but I feel like lots of your posts in the last few months have been very soap-box'ish and I don't think this thread is any different.

 

[AlexLady]

Eh, I used to post just standard posts but that stopped being fun since things are taken more seriously now. So now I only post when there's something to say, which is probably why that is. A few models have done the same by keeping to the model's only area.


I never said which ones should be or shouldn't be, I just suggested that not all hate and personal gripes between members and models have to be shared here.

I brought it public because it's a public issue, not a model one.

I never meant for this to cause you more stress than you already have, Amber, I just wanted things to be fun again and not well... yeah.

 

[Keithy]

Yeah but is every model like that worth starting a thread over? I mean, on one hand, we have a 1500 camscore model who is obviously not someone most people would tip anyways because her show sucks. On another there's a model who has children on her cam and has been doing it for months with thousands of people seeing.

It's just not necessary to make a thread against every "bad" model, just as we don't need to make one on every member who says "show ass" 100 times in a row.

Totally agree Alex, and nobody is doing that. However, a heads up on the more egregious ones that involve THIEVERY on either side of the aisle could probably benefit most of us.

I've avoided posting in this thread up to now, even though I've written a few responses only to close them.
But here I go.
First, yes a model with 1500 cam score has a thread about her. She's scamming pretty badly and it's a pretty big deal to a lot of people. She's obviously used different names. I think someone posted it up to five different names. Being a forum for MFC and the issues with it, this seems acceptable. Also the model can defend herself if she wishes, since it's open to all.
Second, scamming people out of tokens and someone saying "show ass" are NOT the same thing. In fact, I'm not even sure how a member could scam a model like this to get tokens out of them. But if someone did it, I would sure as hell expect that model to tell others about it and make sure it doesn't happen again.
And the "model who has children on her cam and has been doing it for months with thousands of people seeing" is more of a general discussion. There's rumors, gossip and all that. The type of stuff the model in question ENJOYED. There are people on both sides of the coin talking about her. I don't think anyone said anything about her scamming or a fraud. It's been gossip about how people love her or hate her. As a model, that's part of your job you take on. That's not part of being a customer.

I never said which ones should be or shouldn't be, I just suggested that not all hate and personal gripes between members and models have to be shared here.

I agree, but certainly, She That Shall Not Be Named (But Is Named After A Barbara Feldon Character) is a notable relationship and not a personal gripe. And the new one that's been a hot topic seems to be notable too, since it's apparently large scale and there are a lot of people trying to get something done. So not all hate and personal gripes are being shared. Some get shared, most get buried and ignored. Those that are notable get talked about.

I love you Alex, I really do. I enjoyed sitting in your room and listening to you talk, you have a wonderful relaxing voice. But I think this thread is pretty silly and that's all I have to say about that.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I'm tired of the "don't watch this model" type threads.

Where are all these threads? I see 2 threads where people are callin out scammers but that's about it. Did they get deleted?

 

[Keithy]

I'm tired of the "don't watch this model" type threads.

Where are all these threads? I see 2 threads where people are callin out scammers but that's about it. Did they get deleted?

There have been a few, but pretty much everyone ignores most of them as useless and it drops into obscurity.

 

[hisexdrive]

So you have to contribute to the forum before you can air a grievance? Come on now. Would it be better to start a few "I love so&so's boobs" threads before making a thread about a scammer?

I'm sure you've all been banned from one room or another.

I can't say that I have. I've fallen out with models, and badly, but we knew each other too well for it to come to that.

I do applaud you for bringing this up, but a lot of the negative threads seem to be started by new members who have made little else in the way of contribution to our forums and mostly come here to air some grievance. Pleas like this will likely be ignored by them and their ilk.

 

[Jupiter551]

So you have to contribute to the forum before you can air a grievance? Come on now. Would it be better to start a few "I love so&so's boobs" threads before making a thread about a scammer?

Well this isn't the Better Business Bureau, or a specifically for the airing of public complaints, you're just a name on a screen and on the internet anyone can say anything.

Noone is suggesting you should go round making posts so that you can air a complaint, but a larger amount of input than "she's a scammer!" undeniably speaks to your credibility (or lack thereof if people think you're a duplicitous asshat).