Do you now how to sell yourself/your shows?

[SylvySinclair]

Hi
I thought about starting this thread because first of all, i see a lot of girls complaining about traffic, clients, timewasters and such, but do we remember that before we cam that we actually need to sell ourselves and our services to them?
I heard from a cam model that she wasnt being able to sell shows and that guys are timewasters/twats.
My first question to her was: How do you talk to guys? Do you treat them all the same? Do you talk to him like he was already a time waster and you dont have time to waste? Do you listen to your client and what hes looking for? Do you treat all clients the same? Coz let me remind you, when you sell something, you need to listem to the client and what he wants. Dont talk to him like a robot. In my experience, the way you sell your services to an american is much different from selling to a latino (spanish, italian, french).
Americans and english guys are more into kinky than latinos, the last ones are more into vanilla shows and some romance. Do you take the time to know your client and what hes actually looking for?
I always go with this story: you are the buyer, you walk into a store, you dont know yet what you want, you start trying clothes, still didnt figure out what you want or need and imagine if every outfit you try, the sales woman asks you: ok, now are you going to buy this one? Are you ready? Rushing you to buy and making you feel bad. Sorry, if i get this kind of treatment, Im gonna run for the hills and look for a store where they dont show so clearly that all they want is my money!
Also, do you buy every time that you enter a store? Do you look whats on the shelves and sometimes leave without buying anything?
Well, the same happens to them. I always remember, that these guys are looking for fantasy and to have fun. If i go with : my shows is this, that and that. price is $$$. Sorry, i dont see that guy buying, in fact i see him getting from hardon to a soft one in a matter of seconds and just not buying anything.
I also remember that i have tons of competitors which actually take their clothes off (my case), how am i going to make this guy buy from me, what can i offer that makes him buy from me and not from a girl who will get naked and play with a toy. But thats me, im a non nude model.
I know there are tons of time wasters out there, i get them all the time as many of you do. But my job is to sell and if i suck on selling, i wont be camming, coz all starts with the sale. Am i selling myself right? Do i make an effort to really sell myself without expecting that the guy needs to buy from me because i sure am hot and dont need to do more than showing my pics for him to decide? Well, yes, you do need to do much more than letting him see your pics and decide by himself if he wants a show from you or not, you need to sell yourself like no other girl does, you need to be nice and have patience and you need to be wanted. If you lack on knowing how to sell yourself, you wont sell, coz we have too many competitors and the nice ones win.
Unless you dont care about how many sales you are losing and all is good for you, you will need to change your attitude and try harder to sell before you cam.

Im sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give some insight of what i hear now as a webmistress and how i think some can improve their sales just by changing their attitude a bit.

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[Lilypancakes]

Do not give away things for free. This is your job, you are not a clothing store, period. Timewasters are emotionally and mentally draining and cause distress for many many many (every camgirl I have ever heard of) girls. If they are jerking off to your attention, they absolutely need to pay for it. That is literally your job: to give them jerk-off material. If you are doing it for free, then you are doing your job for free. Do not do your job for free. Otherwise, there is literally no reason to pay if they are perfectly fine with dirty talking you to death, or having you dance, flash, or give free "previews." They are 100% taking advantage of you, potential customer or not.

You will learn in time if someone is genuinely inquiring about a show or service. They will be respectful, they will not ask for free previews/attention, they will be straight-forward and willing to elaborate without diving into trying to get a free flash or dirty talk. If someone wants a free flash or wants to dirty talk for free, 99% of the time, they have absolutely no intention of paying. Giving timewasters attention may very occasionally net you an actual customer, but you are far more likely to lose *actual* customers who don't want to sit around waiting for you to finish humoring a freeloader. It's distracting, it changes your mood in the chatroom, it sets a precedent that you are willing to give away for free, and overall your mental well-being will suffer as you spend so much energy on people using you.

There are literally hundreds (if not more) of posts on this forum alone with girls sharing how harmful freeloaders and timewasters are--not only to your earnings, but to your mental health. Hundreds more posts of girls who share how relieved they are once they decide to not give timewasters/freeloaders/other abusive members any more attention. Never let someone convince you that you need to give yourself away for free to be "worth" it to pay.

 

[SylvySinclair]

I totally agree with the part giving away for free, but im talking about knowing how to sell your service, yourself. Its a bit different...

 

[Ambers Troll]

The 'nice' models definitely win, and giving away too much for free is definitely a bad idea.

What always sells me is firstly an invitation of some kind (even if I initiate), then some kind of personal awareness that the invitation has been accepted. Lastly I like to experience the model taking some pleasure in my company, usually in the form of genuine appreciation for whatever I happened to offer.
The form of that can be quite varied, especially for a return visit, but for me it is the basis of all my spending....appropriate attention and appreciation.
This sounds like a lot of work over one member; which it is, but I rarely find myself with no one to spend on and usually turn down invitations many times per visit.

From a sales perspective, you can cheat a few tokens while this customer is exploring, but doing that will likely lose a much bigger sale. After the first purchase I may not be spend for a while, but I will continue to return long term so long as the experience and product is good. I am pretty loyal to what I like even over years.

Some like the small purchase, cheating a few tokens from many customers. I think it is a legitimate plan for a model, you can then throw out the rules and just take whatever comes to you (No selling required).
It isn't the most successful tactic (especially if time is a concern), but it may earn you enough without putting in much work. The site, other models, and members usually dislike the strategy so complaining when it goes wrong won't carry much sympathy, I think the OP was referring to this type.
I always feel sorry for the more inexperienced models who get grouped in with models who play this game, a good reason to gamble a few tokens on someone who may be a jewel. Hopefully they find a way here and a way to shine.

 

[SylvySinclair]

Its nice to hear a different perspective as we can learn from guys a lot and what they look for and wait for, when talking to a model. ty

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

the main issue for me is that I have no clue how to get a bigger audience.
I suspect upgrading my hardware for HD, and investing in a Lush would help substantially, but other than that, I'm not sure how to proceed.

I had a mod last week who managed to draw in a good crowd, but I haven't seen him on since then and didn't get his email at the time to ask how he does it!

do I need to branch out into instagram/etc., off-cam (non-live) avenues, or is it chiefly down to hours spent on cam getting exposure with active patrons? because overexposure and boringness of extensive hours that don't involve a lot of action seem to be potentially a double-edged sword.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Do you have a cam marketing plan? If so, what is it?

the main issue for me is that I have no clue how to get a bigger audience.
I suspect upgrading my hardware for HD, and investing in a Lush would help substantially, but other than that, I'm not sure how to proceed.

I had a mod last week who managed to draw in a good crowd, but I haven't seen him on since then and didn't get his email at the time to ask how he does it!

do I need to branch out into instagram/etc., off-cam (non-live) avenues, or is it chiefly down to hours spent on cam getting exposure with active patrons? because overexposure and boringness of extensive hours that don't involve a lot of action seem to be potentially a double-edged sword.

 

[Influenced]

Unless you dont care about how many sales you are losing and all is good for you, you will need to change your attitude and try harder to sell before you cam.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Do you have a cam marketing plan? If so, what is it?

nope! lol. d'you know of examples I could see? (I googled, of course. but the results were very broad)

 

[DonaDiabla]

Actually, most sex workers should create a marketing plan if they want to be successful in this industry. Social media is a great marketing tool and using it can help you. Usually, I included social media marketing into my marketing plan as well as other means. In addition, what are you different streams of income? Are you doing phone sex, selling boxers, selling socks, or making clips. Are you thinking about getting into affiliate marketing? What are you niches? Who is your audience? What types of shows do you do? I am asking you this because diversifying your income through different streams of adult media can help your career.Plus, you can always have extra income coming in. Plus, may I asked you what is your hustle?

Here is an article for marketing as a webcam model:

http://imaluvmachine.weebly.com/rel...e-love/marketing-strategy-for-webcam-modeling

nope! lol. d'you know of examples I could see? (I googled, of course. but the results were very broad)

 

[Ambers Troll]

Here is an article for marketing as a webcam model:

http://imaluvmachine.weebly.com/rel...e-love/marketing-strategy-for-webcam-modeling

Doing the SWOT analysis seems like a smart idea, and a very important part of a formal marketing strategy. You must always do the work before formulating the strategy.

Keep in mind that long term income will come through your marketing, but that every transaction is a sale; especially for those relying on just themselves for their income. Most people start with sales, then as they earn more money (and time) invest in the marketing.

Gifting/ selling your image or your life (Tweets/ snaps etc.) and creating other ways for a customer/ potential customer to notice you are your main marketing instruments. Customers in the model world are not the most patient of creatures, so we need consistent reminders of what we want. Our pleasures won't wait too long for any model, good marketing can delay that impatience until we next see you.

Sales is a completely different game to marketing, models need to keep developing both marketing and sales to do well.
Sales tend to come through character, reputation, and an awareness of customer needs. Having said that, have a good 'product/ service' and the sales will eventually come.

Customer perception is so critical to sales, but can link to marketing too.
Some potentially good models get quite trapped by others' marketing and sales techniques, especially those models who run too close to the look of certain studio systems. They need to work on market separation (especially on the look in their room) and even stronger on sales to change customer perception of them.
Gaining visibility from customers who usually overlook you is always a good marketing strategy to pursue.

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

Are you thinking about getting into affiliate marketing? What are you niches? Who is your audience? What types of shows do you do? I am asking you this because diversifying your income through different streams of adult media can help your career.Plus, you can always have extra income coming in. Plus, may I asked you what is your hustle?

I'm not willing to be that open in a public setting, but I appreciate your post. (I'm also not entirely sure I know what you mean by 'my hustle', the whole industry to me is a hustle)
I haven't even learned about affiliate marketing yet.

 

[DonaDiabla]

Actually, I was referring to "the hustle" you use to bring in customers and sales.You see, hustling is apart of selling your time and companionship in this industry. Now, some models do not hustle and just are themselves. They get sales that way and that is totally fine.However, many sex workers including myself have several different hustles to bring in and keep customers. Personally; I have 6 different hustles because I work as pso, sugar baby, cam model, texter, virtual escort and affiliate marketer.
In addition, I believe that it is hard to be a great cam model without proper marketing. Now, you do not have to be on social media but you need some sort of word of mouth marketing at least. Particularly as a male model; you could get lost in the crowd of other guys without marketing and it can effect sales. Also, you need to work on sales as well because sales and marketing go hand in hand. My suggestion is to read up on sales and marketing a bit more.

I'm not willing to be that open in a public setting, but I appreciate your post. (I'm also not entirely sure I know what you mean by 'my hustle', the whole industry to me is a hustle)
I haven't even learned about affiliate marketing yet.

 

[Rubi]

My first question to her was: How do you talk to guys? Do you treat them all the same? Do you talk to him like he was already a time waster and you dont have time to waste?

This right here is something I see a lot and does put so many members offside. Sure you will get some timewasters who won't buy no matter what, then still ask a heap of questions but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to be rude straight off the bat. Especially when your personality is a big part of your selling point.

The other week my room was slow so I was chatting with a member and answered 1 or 2 casual questions. Then he comes back 10 mins later and made it rain , which is money I would not have got by being rude to him. I've seen basics converted to paying customers in other rooms too by models who know how to sell themselves.

I will not give the time of day to freeloaders demanding without tokens or asking 20 questions to get off on but part of selling yourself effectively is knowing when to be a sassy bitch and when a customer just needs some more info to buy.

 

[SylvySinclair]

I love this thread because when others give ideas and add with useful info, helps a lot of girls who just needed some different point of view.
Great posts!

 

[uncoveredmanhole]

In addition, what are you different streams of income? Are you doing phone sex, selling boxers, selling socks, or making clips.

thanks to this post of yours which I read the other day, I put the boxers idea in my bio, since I'm cool with that, and a guy I've met before in my room PMed me today about it
I had assumed they'd just float the idea if they were interested, but it seems like listing it on my bio as an option was quite important

is phone sex quite a popular thing on streamate? I've never seen voice-only talked about on any CB bio I've seen.

 

[DonaDiabla]

I never worked on streamate. I was talking about having different streams of income and phone sex could be one of them.

thanks to this post of yours which I read the other day, I put the boxers idea in my bio, since I'm cool with that, and a guy I've met before in my room PMed me today about it
I had assumed they'd just float the idea if they were interested, but it seems like listing it on my bio as an option was quite important

is phone sex quite a popular thing on streamate? I've never seen voice-only talked about on any CB bio I've seen.