Date Raffles

[Jupiter551]

Well I've seen ages ago on Mila's profile she lists herself as a courtesan. I bought a vid from her and I'll say this, she takes a hard anal pounding from some guy, dunno if it was the raffle winner lol.

 

[AerynShade]

Escorting isn't for everyone, but don't think for a minute that it's that much of a jump from cam model to escort, or porn performer to escort. To each their own, but let's not be too judgmental of others.

Not much of a jump from cam model to escort, surely you aren't serious? A large percentage of the MFC girls won't even tell people what state they live in. I have social anxiety issues that render me nearly unable to leave my home. I'd say really very few cam girls would even consider escorting.
(For the record I adore Mila, and think she's bloody brilliant.)

 

[Lord_Latex]

Not much of a jump from cam model to escort, surely you aren't serious?...

Yes, I am dead serious. 14 years experience in the adult Internet business has taught me that, and much more.

Perhaps I need to go make a post in the introduction thread, and explain my background a bit, so everyone knows I'm not just talking out my ass.

 

[SatanJonez]

Not much of a jump from cam model to escort, surely you aren't serious?...

Yes, I am dead serious. 14 years experience in the adult Internet business has taught me that, and much more.

Perhaps I need to go make a post in the introduction thread, and explain my background a bit, so everyone knows I'm not just talking out my ass.

From what I've seen of people in porn, I can believe it to an extent, but in camming (girls who started out camming/only do camming) it's a much more "I'm-in-control-100%" feeling. Putting yourself into a situation where you're meeting up with strangers in a secluded place to exchange sex for money does not replicate that same feeling so while it may be true that some cam girls do escorting as well, I think it would be a slightly large leap than from doing porn.

 

[Lord_Latex]

...I think it would be a slightly large(r) leap than from doing porn.

Yes, it's is a larger leap and therefore much less common, but it does still happen.

and that intro I promised has been posted viewtopic.php?f=12&p=81764#p81764

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Your info is correct. She also use to have some sort of deal where you could pay to make a movie with her. Basically prostitution, but you also got to film it. Classless and disgusting in my opinion, but whatever, each model has their own style I guess.

Wake up and smell the coffee, more than a few MFC models are/were escorts long before coming to MFC.

From one of Mila's web sites. http://www.wix.com/thaiworx/mila-milan
"My name is Mila, and I am an independent international escort. I work worldwide and offer the real ‘Girlfriend Experience’. My base is in Bangkok but I also have places in New York, Vienna and Amsterdam."

Escorting isn't for everyone, but don't think for a minute that it's that much of a jump from cam model to escort, or porn performer to escort. To each their own, but let's not be too judgmental of others.

While I appreciate the laugh I got from your 1970's slang and the camgirl to escort comparison, I'm gonna go ahead and continue being judgmental of others that choose to be a prostitute/escort/porn star or whatever other name is given to people that legit sell their bodies. Sorry for not being down with prostitution dude

 

[Lord_Latex]

While I appreciate the laugh I got from your 1970's slang and the camgirl to escort comparison, I'm gonna go ahead and continue being judgmental of others that choose to be a prostitute/escort/porn star or whatever other name is given to people that legit sell their bodies. Sorry for not being down with prostitution dude

A sex worker is a sex worker, be it cam girl, porn star or escort. It's all still about sex for money in one form or another.

 

[stealthguy]

A sex worker is a sex worker, be it cam girl, porn star or escort. It's all still about sex for money in one form or another.

I would disagree with this to some extent. I think the "all about sex for money" aspect goes out of the window if you really consider the role that the social aspects plays in camming.

 

[Sevrin]

Prostitutes, for the most part, don't carry some special genetic code that predisposes them to sell their bodies on street corners or through the classifieds.

Let's just say that circumstances have a lot to do with it. And let's imagine now the circumstances in which someone might find themselves in once, after having spent the years during which they were most sexually attractive primarily performing sexual acts over the internet for strangers might find themselves in, especially in a depressed economy, once they were no longer quite as fresh as the latest crop of young people seeking their fortunes doing something similar, if they haven't taken the appropriate steps to prepare for future employment in a different milieu or if their past employment comes to present some kind of obstacle to integration into "civilian" life.

There a great number of full-time models on MFC, successful and otherwise, who view their future in this light and do not greet each birthday with eager anticipation, no matter how good they are for tips. This is a good thing to remember when you see a model having a bad day...

Writing this out has makes me realize that I have some amends to make. WML.

 

[Jupiter551]

Camgirl doesn't equal hooker.

However, if you took a straw-poll I suspect a larger percentage of cam models have escorted than women in more "conventional" professions.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

A sex worker is a sex worker

Yeah I get that but you can't put women that get naked on the net in the same category as women that accept cash for sex in real life, things aren't that simple.

 

[Lord_Latex]

Camgirl doesn't equal hooker.

No, it doesn't. The difference from cam girl to porn star to escort is a matter of degrees.

Sevrin also makes a very valid observation, that the step from one to the next is quite often a matter of circumstance.

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

Your info is correct. She also use to have some sort of deal where you could pay to make a movie with her. Basically prostitution, but you also got to film it. Classless and disgusting in my opinion, but whatever, each model has their own style I guess.

Wake up and smell the coffee, more than a few MFC models are/were escorts long before coming to MFC.

From one of Mila's web sites. http://www.wix.com/thaiworx/mila-milan
"My name is Mila, and I am an independent international escort. I work worldwide and offer the real ‘Girlfriend Experience’. My base is in Bangkok but I also have places in New York, Vienna and Amsterdam."

Escorting isn't for everyone, but don't think for a minute that it's that much of a jump from cam model to escort, or porn performer to escort. To each their own, but let's not be too judgmental of others.

While I appreciate the laugh I got from your 1970's slang and the camgirl to escort comparison, I'm gonna go ahead and continue being judgmental of others that choose to be a prostitute/escort/porn star or whatever other name is given to people that legit sell their bodies. Sorry for not being down with prostitution dude

I can't believe you will buy tokens and tip a girl to perform sex acts for you but the though of paying money to have actual sex ( between two consenting adults mind you) is disgusting?

Just because you buy tokens, (instead of using money) and virtually have sexual contact, (instead of IRL) does not absolve you of paying for sex.

I find your line of thinking puritan in origin and also disgusting. Oh and btw before you "judge" me I am not an escort, but I do fuck for money on the the interwebz.

 

[Keithy]

I can't believe you will buy tokens and tip a girl to perform sex acts for you but the though of paying money to have actual sex ( between two consenting adults mind you) is disgusting?

Just because you buy tokens, (instead of using money) and virtually have sexual contact, (instead of IRL) does not absolve you of paying for sex.

I find your line of thinking puritan in origin and also disgusting. Oh and btw before you "judge" me I am not an escort, but I do fuck for money on the the interwebz.

I could go on for hours about how wrong this post is. I'll sum it up with "watching porn is not the same as have sex" and leave it at that, because that's the most fundamental flaw in this argument that without it the rest falls apart.

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

I can't believe you will buy tokens and tip a girl to perform sex acts for you but the though of paying money to have actual sex ( between two consenting adults mind you) is disgusting?

Just because you buy tokens, (instead of using money) and virtually have sexual contact, (instead of IRL) does not absolve you of paying for sex.

I find your line of thinking puritan in origin and also disgusting. Oh and btw before you "judge" me I am not an escort, but I do fuck for money on the the interwebz.

I could go on for hours about how wrong this post is. I'll sum it up with "watching porn is not the same as have sex" and leave it at that, because that's the most fundamental flaw in this argument that without it the rest falls apart.

I just think the hypocrisy is outrageous. I don't want to argue or be mean because yes everyone is entitled to their opinions. No watching porn is not the same as having sex.

It's very odd to be so open minded about camgirls pounding their snatch for you while you throw money at them, but " by god prostitutes are foul disgusting creatures."

To me, in my opinion it sounds like someone subscribes to, "convenient for us weekly."

 

[MadisonLeigh]

Escorting isn't for everyone, but don't think for a minute that it's that much of a jump from cam model to escort, or porn performer to escort. To each their own, but let's not be too judgmental of others.

I have no issue with escorting, but it's definitely a big leap from cam model to escort. As a cam model, I don't touch anyone, I'm alone in my own home. I can see the leap from porn to escorting a bit easier, because in porn you're actually having sex with another person.
But, at the end of the day we are all sex workers.

 

[bawksy]

I see a lot "date raffles" in last weeks..

what members think about that?

Date Raffles is scam? or not?

This thread seems to have gotten off track, so I'm quoting the original post.

Back to point: Timberland, it's impossible to generalize on whether all raffles are scams are not. Are all date raffles scams? No, but plenty of them are. The raffle is only as trustworthy as the model is. And for many models, that's not very trustworthy. Remember - it's a model's JOB to separate you from your tokens. From faking orgasms to faking fisting to faking squirting to faking date raffles, MFC can be pretty fucking fake. Whatever it takes to get those tokens away.

MFC could actually help legitimize these raffles by implementing a random number generator functionality that is transparent to the whole chat.

 

[Jupiter551]

I can't believe you will buy tokens and tip a girl to perform sex acts for you but the though of paying money to have actual sex ( between two consenting adults mind you) is disgusting?

Just because you buy tokens, (instead of using money) and virtually have sexual contact, (instead of IRL) does not absolve you of paying for sex.

I find your line of thinking puritan in origin and also disgusting. Oh and btw before you "judge" me I am not an escort, but I do fuck for money on the the interwebz.

I could go on for hours about how wrong this post is. I'll sum it up with "watching porn is not the same as have sex" and leave it at that, because that's the most fundamental flaw in this argument that without it the rest falls apart.

Well, I may be wrong but I think the point Lydia was trying to make is not that watching porn and having sex with escorts is the same, but that it's judgemental and from the point of a viewer of porn somewhat hypocritical to suggest escorts are less worthy of respect as people than anyone else.

Keithy and Punk weren't making value judgements about escorts as far as I could see, they were just differentiating between a woman performing on cam in her bedroom, and having sex with strangers for cash - it IS different. Yes, both are related to sexuality, but there are still what many would consider to be very fundamental differences.

I don't consider myself of ever having paid for sex, though I've paid for cam shows obviously...I've never thought of it as the same. If I buy a porn dvd am I cheating on my wife? I doubt it.

 

[Lord_Latex]

If I buy a porn dvd am I cheating on my wife? I doubt it.

But what would her opinion be? Many wives and girlfriends wouldn't be too keen on the idea.

I regularly see guys bail suddenly from cam show chat rooms with a comment along the lines of, "damn, gotta go. wife/gf is home."

 

[Jupiter551]

Yeah depends on the wife but most see a clear distinction between masturbation to porn and marital infidelity. Cam shows are more of a grey area cos there's a live person on the other end - but still most wouldn't (I think) consider it quite in the same league as visiting a prostitute.

 

[Sevrin]

Yeah depends on the wife but most see a clear distinction between masturbation to porn and marital infidelity. Cam shows are more of a grey area cos there's a live person on the other end - but still most wouldn't (I think) consider it quite in the same league as visiting a prostitute.

I am no longer married and I've never felt comfortable hiring a prostitute, so I'm no expert on having sex with them. However, I have gotten to know some cam models pretty well, and observed relationships other members have with models. I can easily see the types of bonds that can develop between a member and a model on a cam site, in the normal course of member/model relationships, being far more disruptive to a marriage than hopping into the sack with another woman now and then, especially if that other woman having sex purely for money.

What's more, it's a lot easier to log on to MFC than it is to meet a prostitute for sex while maintaining the appearance of being a faithful husband, and that makes the temptation to indulge in a chat relationship with a cam model that much easier to give into.

 

[AlexiaRose]

I really have no problem with my bf watching porn (I do)
Im pretty open with stripers, camgirls, and anything that doesnt involve is penis being in some vagina.. I dont think its something you can compare

If my bf tells me hes going to watch some porn or go to a strip club, well thats ok
If he is telling me Hey honey im going to get an escort see you later.. :S

And Im not sure I agree with you on the camgirls being the same as escort,
Camgirls are exhibitionnist, love to tease, I have no problem showing my boobs on the beach or on the internet but theres a big step between showing boobs teasing and taking strangers dick
in the butt..

Not saying theres anything wrong with girls who do stuff like that, but its really not the same thing
As a camgirl theres always the option to ban, ignore, whatever people you dont like, so you can choose when, where, with who and what you will do
I dont think you have the same benefits being an escort..

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I can't believe you will buy tokens and tip a girl to perform sex acts for you but the though of paying money to have actual sex ( between two consenting adults mind you) is disgusting?

Just because you buy tokens, (instead of using money) and virtually have sexual contact, (instead of IRL) does not absolve you of paying for sex.
.

I can't believe you can't see the difference in paying a camgirl to perform sex acts for you and paying someone to perform sex acts on you. I'll pay a stripper to dance naked for me but if she offers me a blowjob for a certain amount of money I'll politely decline. Huge difference

 

[Lydia_Deetz]

I can't believe you will buy tokens and tip a girl to perform sex acts for you but the though of paying money to have actual sex ( between two consenting adults mind you) is disgusting?

Just because you buy tokens, (instead of using money) and virtually have sexual contact, (instead of IRL) does not absolve you of paying for sex.
.

I can't believe you can't see the difference in paying a camgirl to perform sex acts for you and paying someone to perform sex acts on you. I'll pay a stripper to dance naked for me but if she offers me a blowjob for a certain amount of money I'll politely decline. Huge difference

I never said there wasn't a difference. What I was trying to point out was how they are both sex workers and both human beings.

You were saying how disgusting an escort/porn star is basically because they are paid to have sex. Sorry but the fact that a camgirl is paid to perform sexual acts for you isn't a huge difference in moral values. That is ALL I was trying to point out.

I am going to stop now, and no longer respond to this thread. I just hate hypocrisy, and feel the need to point it out. Obviously no one wants to hear such disgusting scourge of the earth people stood up for.

 

[Adrianna_]

I am having a raffle after many demands from my regulars. As I am travelling a lot, for me it is not a big deal to meet someone for dinner, BUT:

1) It is a raffle to MEET me, not date me or sleep with me ( whaaat???)
2) I will meet the winner in a public place only for 1 dinner and a bodyguard will be with me all the time.
3) I will request ID document of the winner and verify it before meet him.

I would never sleep with someone for money in real life and my opinion is that web camming have nothing to do with prostitution.
I am sorry guys, but even it feels pretty real for you, all we sell is just a vision and a fantasy, nothing more.

 

[timberland]

I am having a raffle after many demands from my regulars. As I am travelling a lot, for me it is not a big deal to meet someone for dinner, BUT:

1) It is a raffle to MEET me, not date me or sleep with me ( whaaat???)
2) I will meet the winner in a public place only for 1 dinner and a bodyguard will be with me all the time.
3) I will request ID document of the winner and verify it before meet him.

I would never sleep with someone for money in real life and my opinion is that web camming have nothing to do with prostitution.
I am sorry guys, but even it feels pretty real for you, all we sell is just a vision and a fantasy, nothing more.

i never said date raffle for sex...

I see you make date raffles and with protection is good..

 

[Jupiter551]

I am having a raffle after many demands from my regulars. As I am travelling a lot, for me it is not a big deal to meet someone for dinner, BUT:

1) It is a raffle to MEET me, not date me or sleep with me ( whaaat???)
2) I will meet the winner in a public place only for 1 dinner and a bodyguard will be with me all the time.
3) I will request ID document of the winner and verify it before meet him.

I would never sleep with someone for money in real life and my opinion is that web camming have nothing to do with prostitution.
I am sorry guys, but even it feels pretty real for you, all we sell is just a vision and a fantasy, nothing more.

I understand and agree with your rules - but (and I guess I'm not the type to enter 'date' raffles anyway) but who wants to have dinner with a chick who's only having dinner with you because you paid for it, and accompanied by a freaking bodyguard lol.

I'm not criticizing you or the rules you've set, I just can't imagine how anyone would find such a prize at all appealing. Do they think if you meet for dinner you might fall madly in love with them? lol.

Are you going to spend the whole dinner with some old perv staring at your cleavage and making sexual innuendos? I know the majority of members are probably normal, intelligent people but...I have to wonder what some of these "dates" are like lol.

 

[Cassidy Nicole]

I did a win a date for a weekend at Disney World in Orlando, last year. A good regular friend of mine won, he was the type of regular who wasn't super creepy or only want to see me shove things in my snatch while on MFC, it was more of the friendship... Anyways, it was a great time. I had a "body guard" set to accompany us the weekend, but I felt pretty comfortable with the guy after picking him up at the airport and grabbing lunch that the "body guard" was told he didn't have to stick around with us the entire time.

We had a lot of fun. He didn't sit there and make sexual innuendos at all the entire weekend. It felt like two good friends just catching up. We went to all the parks, went out to a nice dinner, and just had a good time. I really enjoyed it and I think he did too.

I would never do a win a date contest again, not because it went bad or that I am not on MFC anymore, but the fact that so many of the guys who wanted to win and didn't got SO butt hurt over it and really pissed off and tried to set up meetings with me even though they didnt win.

 

[Jupiter551]

I did a win a date for a weekend at Disney World in Orlando, last year. A good regular friend of mine won, he was the type of regular who wasn't super creepy or only want to see me shove things in my snatch while on MFC, it was more of the friendship... Anyways, it was a great time. I had a "body guard" set to accompany us the weekend, but I felt pretty comfortable with the guy after picking him up at the airport and grabbing lunch that the "body guard" was told he didn't have to stick around with us the entire time.

We had a lot of fun. He didn't sit there and make sexual innuendos at all the entire weekend. It felt like two good friends just catching up. We went to all the parks, went out to a nice dinner, and just had a good time. I really enjoyed it and I think he did too.

I would never do a win a date contest again, not because it went bad or that I am not on MFC anymore, but the fact that so many of the guys who wanted to win and didn't got SO butt hurt over it and really pissed off and tried to set up meetings with me even though they didnt win.

Yeah that sounds like fun, because it's at disney world for a start lol...and also that a regular who was a friend won, if it was some random dude who bought one ticket and said "fist ass bb"...well on the one hand I wouldn't blame you for accidentally losing his ticket, but if you let him win it would potentially be awkward and horrible lol.

 

[Cassidy Nicole]

I did a win a date for a weekend at Disney World in Orlando, last year. A good regular friend of mine won, he was the type of regular who wasn't super creepy or only want to see me shove things in my snatch while on MFC, it was more of the friendship... Anyways, it was a great time. I had a "body guard" set to accompany us the weekend, but I felt pretty comfortable with the guy after picking him up at the airport and grabbing lunch that the "body guard" was told he didn't have to stick around with us the entire time.

We had a lot of fun. He didn't sit there and make sexual innuendos at all the entire weekend. It felt like two good friends just catching up. We went to all the parks, went out to a nice dinner, and just had a good time. I really enjoyed it and I think he did too.

I would never do a win a date contest again, not because it went bad or that I am not on MFC anymore, but the fact that so many of the guys who wanted to win and didn't got SO butt hurt over it and really pissed off and tried to set up meetings with me even though they didnt win.

Yeah that sounds like fun, because it's at disney world for a start lol...and also that a regular who was a friend won, if it was some random dude who bought one ticket and said "fist ass bb"...well on the one hand I wouldn't blame you for accidentally losing his ticket, but if you let him win it would potentially be awkward and horrible lol.

I know. I picked Disney because even if it wasnt a guy I got along with I still figured it would be a good time, how could you not have a good time there. Plus the security is very good. lol

I choose to bring a "body guard" due to what if the guy was TOTALLY different than he was online or if the guy who did one tipped 1 tickets and was really inappropriate. The "body guard" I bought wasn't sitting at a table with us or sitting in the row on the ride with us but a few tables away or a few seats back.

I will tell you that a few of the regulars that tipped for tickets, totally changed when the raffle was going on. Even though I clearly said "NO SEX. this is just two friends hanging out or a first date and I never do anything on a first date" they tried to convince me that since they have spent X amount of money or has been a regular for x amount of time that maybe if it went well something could happen... The contest def showed their true colors.