Cropcircles

[SaffronBurke]

While it's possible that aliens created the crop circles/pyramids/etc., I am skeptical. I don't doubt intelligent alien life could/does exist somewhere out there. But IMO, if these lifeforms have mastered inter-galactic travel, they would have to be some sort of super-intelligent species. And if they were that super-duper intelligent, I believe they would be able to find a way communicate with us other than cryptically (crop circles, symbols on pyramids, Stonehenge, etc.). I'm not even going to delve into the fact that the supposed alien's ability to communicate has not evolved in 3000+ years (Egyptian/Mayan pyramids to present day crop circles) :twocents-02cents:

I started down this thread to see if anyone had made the point that has always made me a great skeptic about visitors from other worlds, and I didn't get far.

I am as certain as anything that there are other life out there, but any life form that had the ability to move across the vast reaches of space, would not be caught in our skies as UFO's, or have to use cryptic patterns in wheat fields to communicate.

Well, unless of course they were just doing it to fuck with us?

They are totally fucking with us. That's why abduction victims are never people that the public is going to take seriously.

 

[MyraNorth]

I believe it's possible, but I am skeptical because it is so well documented that humans do this.

But if, hypothetically, aliens created any, some speculation...

Maybe there is space-faring life out there that is very different from the highly intelligent/advanced travellers often expected... Like an enormous wave-creature we can't see that might pass through Earth, leaving an imprint, some geometric pattern, like a big print/track. Maybe each one leaves a different pattern, or each species, and them passing through the spot our planet is in is rare.

Maybe they are so advanced that we seem like monkeys, and they were just doing art.

Maybe they are so advanced, and are in some kind of different dimension, and have perceived us - but can't find a way to communicate, even after so much time. Maybe all they've managed success with so far is a tool that left a mark - and now the next resulting model or theory is in long developement.

Maybe some non-living phenomena that we are unaware of occassionally pulses, and if conditions/positions are just so, leaves a mark as it hits the earth.

I like this a lot too :lol: :

leaving elaborate crop circles in quaint little English towns and then getting the fuck out of there before anybody sees them, laughing maniacally at all the confusion they're causing

Who knows!

@Maya:

(All my comments are directed at the parts not having to do with Jerry.)

Relating to crop circles specifically, as fascinating as the ideas are, my opinion is that the available results about their molecular structure changes are very dubious. That said, as long as taken with a heavy grain of salt and plenty of critical thinking, I think it can be interesting and worthwile to read about all kinds of things humans think about.

I agree with lots of this:

Things are not black and white. If the truth is what you want, then you have to stand back from your own culture, conditioning, personal morals, etc and look at things differently. Even then you probably won't be able to say "yeah I got it, it's definitely this!", because we're dealing with an infinite amount of possibilities. It's important to stay humble[...]. Information is like pieces of a puzzle, and it takes years of research to sometimes really understand something.

[...]

Also, the scientific community, as with many other things, has a mainstream which is influenced by society and its taboos and corruption (think Tesla and cold fusion for example). Therefore not to be fully trusted when it comes to being unbiased in their choice of which subjects to highlight/research/promote."

[...]

One can "know" that crop circles are something worth delving into, due to their mysterious nature (referring to the not man made ones), without adhering to prejudices associated with the bad connotation that the words "conspiracy theory" have accumulated over the years.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, and that it seems from your posts like you are keen to change/evolve your opinions with more information. I like that in people :lol:

 

[Poker_Babe]

I could whip up a few links if anyone wants, im sure i have something saved in my browser.

Please do, sounds hilarious.

What I can suggest though is the movie "Thrive" it mentions crop circles and their possible meanings and it's a great starting point to do your own research.

Edit: also this comes from a scientific standpoint, not from a "romanticizing" as someoneone put it earlier in the thread. I don't like to believe, I like to "know". Just thought I should clarify.

Thrive? lol Scientific standpoint? lol wow just wow

Dude, don't be a douche.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

@Maya:

(All my comments are directed at the parts not having to do with Jerry.)

ME? Have I posted in this thread and forgot?

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Dude, don't be a douche.

Quality post. The overwhelming amount of evidence that you have provided in your post has changed my mind completely. Who would have ever thought that it was humans under alien mind control that were creating the cropcircles. Aliens with guns provided by Obama. Not the smartest aliens, they managed to get here but like aren't advanced enough to make guns or something. Praise Xenu for all the open minded free thinkers that refuse to accept facts like all the other sheeple. The scientific community and all life on Earth are forever in your debt.

 

[Poker_Babe]

Quality post. The overwhelming amount of evidence that you have provided in your post has changed my mind completely. Who would have ever thought that it was humans under alien mind control that were creating the cropcircles. Aliens with guns provided by Obama. Not the smartest aliens, they managed to get here but like aren't advanced enough to make guns or something. Praise Xenu for all the open minded free thinkers that refuse to accept facts like all the other sheeple. The scientific community and all life on Earth are forever in your debt.

How the world did you get all of that from "Dude, don't be a douche"?
OK, let me explain what I meant by that...
You can disagree with her opinions, without totally cutting her down and talking to her like she's an idiot. But you decided not to respond to her in a constructive way. Your response was condescending and hurtful. In other words... you responded like a douche.
Why don't you show some class?!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Why don't you show some class?!

Well, I could be pretty mean here and make a bunch of jokes about "class" but I'll just go ahead and admit to responding somewhat condescendingly, could have been nicer I suppose. I need a kinder gentler machine gun hand or something, no idea what Neil Young meant by this but it seems fitting.

 

[Poker_Babe]

Well that's a step in the right direction I suppose.
Now what would really be impressive is if you apologized to MayaEden for how you acted.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I'm sorry for responding in a condescending manner. Best I can do

 

[MyraNorth]

@Maya:

(All my comments are directed at the parts not having to do with Jerry.)

ME? Have I posted in this thread and forgot?

*facepalm* oops, sorry Jerry, I don't know why I said you, obviously PunkInDrublic and I DEFINITELY do not think of you two as the same dude. Total brainfart.

 

[Poker_Babe]

I'm sorry for responding in a condescending manner. Best I can do

Next time just leave off the "Best I can do" part. :thumbleft:

 

[MayaEden]

I believe it's possible, but I am skeptical because it is so well documented that humans do this.

But if, hypothetically, aliens created any, some speculation...

Maybe there is space-faring life out there that is very different from the highly intelligent/advanced travellers often expected... Like an enormous wave-creature we can't see that might pass through Earth, leaving an imprint, some geometric pattern, like a big print/track. Maybe each one leaves a different pattern, or each species, and them passing through the spot our planet is in is rare.

Maybe they are so advanced that we seem like monkeys, and they were just doing art.

Maybe they are so advanced, and are in some kind of different dimension, and have perceived us - but can't find a way to communicate, even after so much time. Maybe all they've managed success with so far is a tool that left a mark - and now the next resulting model or theory is in long developement.

Maybe some non-living phenomena that we are unaware of occassionally pulses, and if conditions/positions are just so, leaves a mark as it hits the earth.

I like this a lot too :lol: :

leaving elaborate crop circles in quaint little English towns and then getting the fuck out of there before anybody sees them, laughing maniacally at all the confusion they're causing

Who knows!

@Maya:

(All my comments are directed at the parts not having to do with Jerry.)

Relating to crop circles specifically, as fascinating as the ideas are, my opinion is that the available results about their molecular structure changes are very dubious. That said, as long as taken with a heavy grain of salt and plenty of critical thinking, I think it can be interesting and worthwile to read about all kinds of things humans think about.

I agree with lots of this:

Things are not black and white. If the truth is what you want, then you have to stand back from your own culture, conditioning, personal morals, etc and look at things differently. Even then you probably won't be able to say "yeah I got it, it's definitely this!", because we're dealing with an infinite amount of possibilities. It's important to stay humble[...]. Information is like pieces of a puzzle, and it takes years of research to sometimes really understand something.

[...]

Also, the scientific community, as with many other things, has a mainstream which is influenced by society and its taboos and corruption (think Tesla and cold fusion for example). Therefore not to be fully trusted when it comes to being unbiased in their choice of which subjects to highlight/research/promote."

[...]

One can "know" that crop circles are something worth delving into, due to their mysterious nature (referring to the not man made ones), without adhering to prejudices associated with the bad connotation that the words "conspiracy theory" have accumulated over the years.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, and that it seems from your posts like you are keen to change/evolve your opinions with more information. I like that in people :lol:

Thanks! You're completely right about the last thing you wrote, that's what I was trying to convey. I don't really have "set" opinions about stuff like this, it's more like possibilities that I accept as probable trying not to be biased. Information about these things is so hazy most of the times that you gotta roll with what you got and not write anything in stone. And it's important to not dismiss something as "silly" or "impossible" just because it doesn't fit into "my comfortable stable reality".

I mentioned electromagnetic activity and molecular structure simply because I remember those being the most fascinating things I had heard about crop circles and, if proven, shows it can't just be made by an average joe with average technology.

Hell I'd even say there's the possiblity of crop circles being made by humans with back-engineered alien/future technology to serve as disinformation and confusion. How's that for a twist?

Thanks for calling out punkindrublic hehe. Pokerbabe, no need to get an apology from him. I'm used to his kind (or the kind he's choosing to reveal) and a forced apology from a hard head is as good as a headless hammer

 

[Fay_Galore]

I really wished (and sort of asked) that we could keep this civil without jumping at each other's throats when you go "omg someone on the internet is wrong TO MY STANDARDS". Discussion is great and can open everyone to new insights and ideas, however if you're rusted shut in your believes and are not able to communicate this in an adult way, it's to everyone's benefit to re-read what you've posted and ask yourself, is this really a fun/interesting/argumented post adding to the subject.

That's that.

Nowwww, I am that kind of person that's pretty open to different views, especially on stuff that isn't 100% proven to be real ór bullshit. so, that's why I find cropcircles fascinating. I do really find schlmoe's post interesting and I hadn't thought of it in that way, if it's outer world source, it *should* have evolved!
but on the other end, we don't even know what we know! There's a fair chance there hás been alien communication, maybe even alien sighting, but we just don't know about it. If this was the case, I think it isn't a bad idea for NASA/government to keep this hidden from the public to avoid panic/fear/obsessions.
Not saying that's the way it is, just saying that there's possibly a whole world of knowledge that's being kept from us. We know for a fact a lot is not being shared as it is, why couldn't this also be the case for alien-business.
so, to get back to my point, (and I'm just fantasising here) what if those cropcircles are there because that's the way for them to try and communicate to the people, and we're not taking her bate, or understanding it. or saying it's rubbish

Also, one of the most popular theories why most cropcirles are found in the wilthsire area/south of england is because of the meridians/energy and historical sights. Stonehenge, avebury, glastonbury, all highly spiritual places with big 'energy flows'. Humans might not be aware of why these places are so special, but alien might? different senses? it ís a coincidence that that area is filled with mysterious and mystic sights from ALL ages. from prehistoric to very recent.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

So, anyone got any proof of these cropcircles being related in any way to aliens or something to read that might change some skeptics minds? See a lot of posts debunking the alien claims but don't see anything supporting the possibility of a different cause. Can't have much of a discussion/argument if one side has no proof to back up what they claim is possible, anything is possible in a way. When everything one side is saying can be easily explained/debunked, what's the point? Gotta let people believe what they want to believe.

 

[RubyDimples]

Anyone remember the t.v show Unsolved Mysteries? The crop circle documentaries were pretty awesome if you ask me..

 

[LadyLuna]

Feelings are not black and white, very true.

Ethics are... tricky. They are black and white, in the sense that actions will either hurt others or they won't. But they are not necessarily black and white because different people will have different ideas about what is right and what is wrong.

Facts, however, are definitely black and white. Something is either true, or false. Either I ate a cookie this morning, or I didn't. There is not "I feel" about it.

Either a crop circle was made by humans, or it wasn't. Either a crop circle was made by extraterrestrials, or it wasn't. It is totally possible that some were made by humans while others were made by aliens, but each individual one had only one cause. Thus, it's very black-and-white.

Here's the thing. We need proof. An "undetermined cause" does NOT mean "aliens did it". "We don't know why" doesn't mean "aliens did it". As for what our technological capabilities are, not one person on this planet knows every single thing everyone else on the planet is capable of doing. There are people out there who have invented ways of doing things and just don't care to share those things with the rest of the world. So we can't ever say "this is outside present human technologies".

We all know people will lie to get attention, that's why eyewitness testimonies aren't supposed to be given much weight. Further complicating that is that humans are perfectly capable of accidentally fabricating memories. We also know that we can totally forget things which we definitely did do. Put the two together, and it's entirely possible that a person will forget doing one thing, and fabricate a memory of doing something else at that exact moment, making it seem to them impossible that they did what they actually did do, because they really remember doing something else at that moment.

Thus, it's possible that a person remembers doing something that they didn't do. When they say "I did ___", they are not lying, but they are also not telling the truth. It's also possible that a person can't remember doing something that they did do. So they say "I didn't ____", and they aren't lying, but neither is what they say true. THIS is where the "it's not black and white" thing regarding facts comes from. NOT that we can choose whether or not to believe that arsenic is poison. And NOT that each person can choose to believe whether or not he or she ate a cookie that day.

Here's a thought for you. A farmer might plant some corn that has certain genetics in a certain region of his field, and another set of corn that has different genetics around it, and then different genetics around that. Why might he do it? So that if a virus or fungus infects the corn, it might not be able to get all his corn. Another option, he might plant a specific field with that genetically altered corn and make the crop circle specifically in that section, to get attention for his farm. "See, aliens had to do it, this corn has different genetics than the rest of my field! Come buy my corn, that was touched by aliens!" (As he marks it up to be more expensive than his neighbor's corn.)

 

[PunkInDrublic]

^Awesome post LadyLuna, as usual.

 

[camstory]

Feelings are not black and white, very true...

..."See, aliens had to do it, this corn has different genetics than the rest of my field! Come buy my corn, that was touched by aliens!" (As he marks it up to be more expensive than his neighbor's corn.)

I tried to get Monsanto to ship me some far out genetic corn, but when they found out I had no land to sow, they sent me arsenic.

So yes, sign me up, I would love some alien touched corn, (alien, reverse tear drop head, glowing appendage, wrrrrring ray gun, alien - not they entered from Mexico, so they're all mexican, cuz they speak mexican, aliens, aliens, you understand) and I'll pay top $ for it. Do you have a mail order catalog? Hey, you could totally do a crop circle of the month, sort of Harry and David gift basket thing, with corn, wheat, parsley, soy, alfalfa...

I second the nice post sentiment Miss Luna! I'm a huge fool, and my foolin' is the antimatter to your super sensible post. (You understand even if no one else does. )

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Was this thread just meant to be a fun circle jerk for conspiracy theorists? I see some innaccuracies on this page and things that have been proven false but I don't want to be more annoying than I already have been. Plus, the alien people aren't providing anything to the topic when questioned. It's okay to have a fantasy thread but pretending like you want a discussion and then not responding to anything that debunks your claims, seems pretty clear that this thread is just a fun thread for those that enjoy this type of entertainment.

 

[Fay_Galore]

I think you mean me by 'the alien people', I don't mind discussing both sides, I just don't want to be in a discussion with yóu because you come off quite aggressive here. That's why I didn't respond to your post, I don't think that's fun ahead, so to speak.

and besides that, I don't think ányone here said 'yes, cropcircles are an alien product and that's the truth' because no one said that. we're all just exploring the possibilities.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I think you mean me by 'the alien people', I don't mind discussing both sides, I just don't want to be in a discussion with yóu because you come off quite aggressive here. That's why I didn't respond to your post, I don't think that's fun ahead, so to speak.

Ok so respond to someone else's post if you really want to discuss both sides

we're all just exploring the possibilities.

While denying reality and facts and providing no reasonable arguments to believe these possibilities.

Sorry if I come off as aggressive

 

[weirdbr]

we're all just exploring the possibilities.

While denying reality and facts and providing no reasonable arguments to believe these possibilities.

Sorry if I come off as aggressive

Punk, the thing is that you can engage people who don't necessarily believe in the same things as you do (specially when it's not based on good data) in a more constructive manner - for example, instead of reacting aggressively like you did, you could ask for more data on specific items like I did on my reply. That by itself can lead to the person researching more and finding more data that will make them question their own position and learning more... Or will show that they are unwilling to believe the facts in front of them when faced with data that contradict their beliefs, at which point it becomes easier to point out the issues with their logic (or lack thereof).

I am a strong believer in skepticism, however it needs to be applied wisely - you cant act like Richard Dawkins frequently does and go saying things that read/sound like 'you are not only wrong, but you are stupid for believing that' as that leads to people ignoring you (and other skeptics) for being rude know-it-all assholes; if we want to improve society's understanding (of science and other areas of knowledge), we need to gently nudge them towards searching that knowledge by themselves and let them stumble through it - it is a long, windy and sometimes confusing/painful road, but only when individuals come to their own conclusions based on good data they will stand by it ; otherwise they can easily be led to believe they were fed lies by a third party.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Dawkins approach can be quite effective in certain situations but yeah, will be working on a kinder gentler machine gun hand. Researched it, doesn't fit really, but I learned a little bit about old school George Bush.

 

[camstory]

Dawkins approach can be quite effective in certain situations but yeah, will be working on a kinder gentler machine gun hand. Researched it, doesn't fit really, but I learned a little bit about old school George Bush.

Honesty and truth if not twins are next of kin. And expressing less than our 100% blunt truth is in fact less than being 100% honest. But there are two major problems with being always blunt in expressing our truth. 1: Our truth is relevant to us, and no matter how based in fact, how supported by centuries of brilliant others, set in the most solid stone, it seems a fools folly to ever be 100% certain of anything. In a world that sprung from a singularity, a world in which the most solid stone is in fact mostly empty space, can we be absolute about anything? Yes!, might be the right answer, but to be so sure it is so right, that the question is forever dismissed to me seems no less silly than aliens playing pictorgram.

But lets throw 1 out b/c I don't expect it to make much sense to anyone except me. Two has already been expressed pretty well, so I will quickly support it in the hopes you might not just repeat it back in your words, but that it might really give you pause the next time you feel like being 100% honest and blunt in your truth. (and I know at one level it is empowering and feels good to be bluntly honest.) But it often is also shellfish, absent of care and love for others, and most important non productive if what you hope to do is persuade other to see things in a like way. None of us wants to be wrong, but most ppl of reasonable intellect, some maturity, and not possessed by any sort of crazy hokas pokas, can handle learning we may have been less than correct, when the lesson is delivered kindly. (Hell sometimes I jump in not sure if I have anything right, b/c I love learning and know most here will kindly tell me I am wrong or less than correct in >or< a kind manner.) I also no longer give a shit if some prick is a mean bastard, but that was not always the case. And I'm sure it is not the case with many here. For most ppl Mean Prick trumps all else, and you slip over the event horizon. (Perhaps that is why it seems some fail to respond - you may have slipped past their event horizon.)

I guess I'm saying you have the choice to mix a little kindness in with your honest truth, or be a blunt honest mean prick in your truth. It wont make much difference to anybody if the hateful gravity of your choice pulls you towards everyones event horizon. Or, maybe it will make some difference to some if your choice is to kindly help some to understand your truth?

 

[Nordling]

This thread could have been fun. I keep up hope.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I can do fun

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[jeff98902]

Some scientific theories on how crop circles are made other than extraterrestrials.


http://ddig.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/mit-crop-circles/

http://www.zmescience.com/research/studies/the-science-behind-crop-circles/

http://www.bltresearch.com/published/semi-molten.php

http://www.journeyswithsoul.com/articles.php?id=19

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/ufo/the-math-and-science-behind-crop-circles

 

[camstory]

I apologize if my last post here was a little much, and b/c the conflict here was not so much about right/wrong, correct/incorrect, about that black/white that Miss Luna had well diagrammed, and my rant was.

I can't apologize for feeling the need to rant, that's just part of who I am. You see, when ppl who seem to have no real reason to dislike each other/s, act unfriendly, or conflicted toward each other/s, it drives me fuckin goofy. (Yes it is a short trip) I think that is b/c I don't like conflict in general, and needless conflict specifically. And for myself, avoiding needless conflict in these sort of circumstances through a tiny bit of social grace & diplomacy, is almost always the easiest thing in the world.

So I am sorry if my rant was not so sensible & seemingly unrelated to actual detail, but if it conveyed in any measure a sense of, “why the fuck can't we be a little more congenial & tactful in our communication with one another” than for that I am in no way sorry. Good night, or morning as the case may be. :hello2:

 

[MayaEden]

Well yesterday I was gonna post here but ended up forgetting about it and turned my computer off with the post still in preview mode, oops. It was something related to cultural bias on articles relating to crop circles, and a mention to one of the links jeff posted above.

Anyways, recently I found interesting things about this guy called Dr Levengood. He performs experiments on crop circle planties but seems to be one of the very few. From what I understood, other scientists are not really willing to replicate his experiments. I also saw a youtube video talking about how he faked his university credentials (therefore, debunking his experiments). To me that really doesn't mean anything. One can know just as much about plants and stuff as a PhD guy without ever getting an official university degree. And it would be understandable for someone to fake their credentials in order to be minimally taken seriously in a society which validates someone's opinions/knowledge based on their social status.

I did however find this really interesting website. Here they basically summarize their research and provide their sources. Good base to do your own research, I haven't read it all yet but here you go http://www.greatdreams.com/crop/hoax/hoax.htm

Later on in the article he says the following which I thought I should highlight

"I am not saying that these claims are "true." I say that there is enough evidence to warrant further investigation by those interested.

I do believe it is wise to be skeptical. But I am also skeptical of the bias of the mass media and the claims of the hoaxers."

After that he explains what a "selective skeptic" is and I gotta say it reminded me of the actions by people like punkindrublic. I put a bit in spoiler so it doesn't take up much space.

Spoiler

The selective skeptics tend to use techniques similar to political spin doctors. They often setup their arguments by painting a picture of their opponents as "believers" in various paranormal claims. This hints that the claim is to be taken as an absolute belief. The suggested "spin" is that such a big claim must be proven absolutely. In most cases, I think, the word "belief" is not intended to be an absolute. It is not claimed to be a scientific fact that everyone should accept. In most cases the claim is simply that there is some evidence or reason to think that a certain phenomenon is paranormal.

Theories presented are often attacked as if they were claims of fact. The "spin" suggests that absolute proof must be given along with the theory, otherwise the theory is to be rejected. In my view, various theories should be presented, including non-paranormal theories, and then the evidence can be compared to the theories. Each person can determine for themselves which theory, if any, seems most supported by the evidence.

Selective skeptics sometimes say that there is no "evidence" at all to support certain paranormal claims. The "spin" seems to be that the "evidence" must absolutely prove the claim. In my view, the word "evidence" in these cases is intended more like that used in a court of law. The "evidence" can always be disputed. Judgments are made based on the convincing power of the evidence, but the judgments are not considered absolute. Yet, we act on the results, such as a death sentence based on a single reliable witness.

By carefully setting up the "spin," the selective skeptics attempt to put their opponents in the position of having the burden to "prove" the paranormal claim. The "spin" is that the selective skeptics must be considered "right," if such proof is not presented. The "spin" is that all science is on the side of the selective skeptics. As I see it, the selective skeptics simply have alternative theories, not a case that has been scientifically proven. They are in the same boat as the rest of us.

In the worst cases, the selective skeptics use the technique of ridicule. This is sometimes subtle, such as statements indicating that the opponent is childish or gullible.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Anyways, recently I found interesting things about this guy called Dr Levengood. He performs experiments on crop circle planties but seems to be one of the very few. From what I understood, other scientists are not really willing to replicate his experiments. I also saw a youtube video talking about how he faked his university credentials (therefore, debunking his experiments). To me that really doesn't mean anything. One can know just as much about plants and stuff as a PhD guy without ever getting an official university degree. And it would be understandable for someone to fake their credentials in order to be minimally taken seriously in a society which validates someone's opinions/knowledge based on their social status.

Just a different perspective on the faking of the Phd part. To me that does mean everything, including completely throwing out and ignoring everything he has done. It's useless. If he hadn't made the claim of having a Phd it might still have valid points. But the fact that he lied means no one will ever consider his work.

In practically every single science and engineering organization I can think of there's a Code of Ethics. Every one of them contain a paragraph, or more, on honesty and trustworthiness. He's already showed he has no ethical boundaries by lying. So the assumption going forward now on everything he produces is that it will be a lie as well. No credible scientist would ever want to be associated with anything to do with him.

His work might have been brilliant, but it doesn't matter. He himself broke the ethical trust and put himself in that situation. Nothing more from him can be trusted at all.

In most of these fields, the code of ethics is taken very seriously. If you mess up, people die. This particular example no one's life is on the line. But they generally take it just as seriously. Everyday people make major decisions based on what people with degree's say. Lying about it is not tolerated.