Countdown show ended by Private Show

[Chaotic]

Tonight I was in a model's room and she had a countdown to a shower show. I was very much looking forward to the show so I purchased tokens and tipped a total of 700. The countdown is progressing and she needs just over 900 more tokens for the show. Then the dreaded token sound and the Private Show message appears. She returns some 30 minutes later dripping wet and in a towel.
I ask if she is still going to do the show. She said NO, I just did it in Private. End of the night for her and a few of us are standing there like idiots for tipping.
I know there is no recourse for being fleeced. Now I know why the lounge is so popular....Why Pay..... unless you go private. This is the second countdown show I have seen where people get totally screwed. Never again for me. I will stick to privates with the models I know are worthwhile.

 

[Keithy]

As much as I hate it, this is totally the kind of behavior that justifies the lounge people and the people that will always refuse to tip.

 

[Jupiter551]

more ethical models would do one of these:
a) tell him to spend the same amount of tokens in public and she'll make it worth his while
b) tell him to wait til later
c) tell everyone she'd be back to do the public show and do so

 

[Sevrin]

That sucks, and I don't blame you for not wanting to tip her for anything ever again. She needed 900 tokens more and got twice that for the pvt, and perhaps the tips were slow in coming and she was tired, but you still got screwed. As much as I tend to take the model's side in most cases, members are right to be pissed off at a model when she does stuff like this. I don't spend much time in the lounge, but this type of thing is why I visit a pretty small number of models.

As for what to do, it depends on how well you know the model. If you like her, and want to enjoy her room, I would PM or send her an MFC mail with your complaint and perhaps a link to this thread. You did not mention her name, so she should not feel like you are taking revenge, but she would still get the message. It might be worth a shot, and perhaps it will encourage her to make it up to you.

 

[LilyMarie]

Wow, that's just so rude. I would never even think of doing anything like that, I suppose most models wouldn't >_>
Are you sure you can't get a refund in such a case?

 

[ComicOzzie]

This venting isn't really that helpful if no model's name is attached to it. And I agree, her going private and screwing those who had tipped for a free show is totally not cool. This decision will actually hurt the model financially in the long-run, because if any of those tippers ever send her another token for a public show, I will be surprised.

 

[Sevrin]

This venting isn't really that helpful if no model's name is attached to it. And I agree, her going private and screwing those who had tipped for a free show is totally not cool. This decision will actually hurt the model financially in the long-run, because if any of those tippers ever send her another token for a public show, I will be surprised.

What is the point in attaching the model's name here? So many models have done this at one time or another that calling out just one in a place like this isn't fair. If the model ended her night after that private, she was obviously tired and/or frustrated about a slow night. We have no idea from the OP whether she has a habit of doing this. It would be unfair to punish a model over a one-time thing.

It's fair to bitch about it in her room or in the Lounge, but this place isn't a model review site, and much less a blacklist.

 

[Zoomer]

I am all for name and shame, but there we go I would point it out to the model how much you tipped towards the show and see what she says - give her a chance after reminding her of your tipping. Then I would contact MFC support and complain about her (why? Because the wiki says while they probably won't refund your tokens, they do want to hear about such feedback). After that, I'd be exactly what you are - once bitten, ten times shy In other words, I don't tip girls significant amounts of tokens unless I "know" them very well and trust them to uphold their end of the bargain.

As for this site - general discussion forum. Until Amber says "this sort of topic isn't up for discussion" or "I don't want this sort of topic posted" then post away I say. People have the option to read topics or not, and when they know what is in them from the title - to then complain about them is ridiculous unless they think this is their forum and those who don't post in a manner they find acceptable is an outsider who isn't welcome

Just my :twocents-02cents:

 

[Sevrin]

Meh, calling out individual models for something that happened once - and that's what we are talking about in this case - says more about the perv than it does about the model. We pervs have reputations to think about just like models do. I appreciate how Chaotic brought this up.

 

[Chaotic]

Just to add some clarity, this was my first time in her room. During the countdown she was very friendly and having fun with the members. It was late in the evening so she could have been exhausted. She needed to communicate her intentions at some point. Not even to acknowledge those who tipped for the countdown and simply logging off is bad business and rude.
I will never return to her room and I have emailed MFC just to voice my opinion. I did not state her name because I did not want to put someone on blast without giving this person ample time to explain what happened. I understand without naming her I am just venting. I also hope it could serve as a reminder for anyone participating in a countdown show that this can happen.

 

[Tffny]

What a lack of common sense on her part.

 

[Traditio]

I will never return to her room and I have emailed MFC just to voice my opinion.

I totally understand you being angry - but i still think you should send her a mfc-mail. Most models are very concerned about their members and she maybe just wasn't aware of her fault. Even if you will not return to her room it may let her rethink her actions and she will be nicer the next time to other tippers.

 

[JoleneBrody]

If a countdown is really not moving I will take a private or group, then return to finish where we left off. I'll usually take off some tokens for them being patient. Only one time have I gone private instead of finishing a countdown but I got the pm requesting the show in private as I was logging off entirely. It was actually a shower show too, kinda funny. At that point it was so bad that I was giving up entirely on the night so I should hope no decent fella would be pissed I did it in private instead of not at all.

I dunno, Every situation is different. It is very possible that the progress that was made on her countdown was done over 3 hours time and she was sweating, dancing her butt off the whole time and in turn should have been getting tipped anyway.
If a countdown to a show is not completed in a timely manner the model has the right to seek other means to earn money, this is her job.
If your 700 tokens was all or close to all of the tokens earned towards the show then that is just tough. I'm sure you had a great time and got to see lots and lots of boobies and ass while tipping towards the show.

If you genuinely feel like you were taken advantage of then just don't return to her room.
If you think back and you actually were having a great time while you were tipping and enjoying her company ( I can only assume since you were there and tipping that you like her) then I suggest you re-think your reaction.

I honestly get a bit tired of the idea that tipping is only necessary in exchange for videos or a countdown. That is the reason why tips are almost completely dead during a show. Seems a bit backwards to me.

 

[Sevrin]

I honestly get a bit tired of the idea that tipping is only necessary in exchange for videos or a countdown. That is the reason why tips are almost completely dead during a show. Seems a bit backwards to me.

Guys can be like that. We often have to be reminded sometimes to buy flowers for no reason, make plans for anniversaries, take out the garbage, and we need to be reminded to tip cam-girls. We react differently toward being reminded though. The guys who resent being nudged toward the tip button are the ones who never buy flowers.

 

[sxycherrypie]

That would suck. I for one will never do that in my room. If the guy wanted a shower show in prvt I would tell him to tip for the public show,because it just isn't fair to the people who tipped.

 

[Preslye]

This right here is what pisses me off so bad. I mean come on? How rude could this be. This is my opinion ok lets say your countdown show isn't working and it doesn't look like you will make your goal for a show. During my show if anyone tries to take me private I ask them kindly to put the money towards the count down and it would be better than a private because there is no time restrictions. If that doesn't work and the show continues to seem as if we won't be able to complete Then I would say either: Well if no one wants the show I am going to start accepting privates. Then I would A. Either return and continue countdown or B. Send videos to anyone who spent large tips on the countdown. Sometimes if we have a slow night and I have a few big tippers for the countdown but we aren't able to complete it I make sure to send them some photos or videos so they don't feel that their tokens were wasted.

 

[EvaLee]

That is the reason why tips are almost completely dead during a show. Seems a bit backwards to me.

I noticed that if my topic reads 'thanks so much guys! cum show time!' no one will tip me during the show. If I put 'thanks so much guys! cum show time, tip if you love it!' then I will receive tips during the show. I always tell models don't be afraid to mention tipping once in awhile, some people just need to be reminded that a countdown is there or that it shows appreciation. I've had a lot of people in my room just get caught up in the fun of it all and completely forgot about tipping even exists.

 

[Chaotic]

I agree that tipping should continue during the show after the countdown is reached.

To Jolene's post: The countdown lasted all of 30-40 minutes. Myself and 3 others were tipping and clearing numbers off a board. The model was not dancing, just lounging next to a board with numbers. She was fully clothed waiting for the countdown to finish. So, she was not dancing her butt off our showing ass and boobies. She is pretty and the thought of a shower show was enticing enough for me to tip.

I understand if a countdown is dragging along that you might just have to call it a night. That is the risk we take in tipping for a countdown, it is a complete gamble it will finish and a show will happen. I understand the model is working and she needs to reach a goal. No one is disputing that.

What this model did was simply rude. We waited for her to return and she was done for the night. For those of us who tipped for this show and got absolutely nothing in return...we learn a valuable lesson. When you tip there are no expectations, tipping is just for appreciation and admiration. I am sure I am no the first to experience this and nor will I be the last. I guess this was a venting thread after all is said.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I agree that tipping should continue during the show after the countdown is reached.

To Jolene's post: The countdown lasted all of 30-40 minutes. Myself and 3 others were tipping and clearing numbers off a board. The model was not dancing, just lounging next to a board with numbers. She was fully clothed waiting for the countdown to finish. So, she was not dancing her butt off our showing ass and boobies. She is pretty and the thought of a shower show was enticing enough for me to tip.

I understand if a countdown is dragging along that you might just have to call it a night. That is the risk we take in tipping for a countdown, it is a complete gamble it will finish and a show will happen. I understand the model is working and she needs to reach a goal. No one is disputing that.

What this model did was simply rude. We waited for her to return and she was done for the night. For those of us who tipped for this show and got absolutely nothing in return...we learn a valuable lesson. When you tip there are no expectations, tipping is just for appreciation and admiration. I am sure I am no the first to experience this and nor will I be the last. I guess this was a venting thread after all is said.

I completely understand your frustration then. The post was just so vague it was hard to determine what was really going on.
Thank you for the well worded response and for not wanting to "put the model on blast."

 

[GemmaMarie]

I personally don't like to leave a countdown unless it's going slowly, if it is going slowly and I leave to do a private, I return and continue the countdown where it left off. I try not to leave a countdown unless it's really not going anywhere. I personally work my ass off for every countdown I've achieved in public.

However, there have been times when I have been on for a pretty extended period and the tips just aren't coming. Unfortunately for those who have tipped, that's part of the risk of tipping for a public show. I can work it as hard as I can, but if the interest isn't there, it isn't there.

I wish others were more respectful of premiums investments, but a majority of the models I have encountered are. I hope that this will not affect your patronage in other models rooms. Most models are respectful of others and it shouldn't effect your attitude towards us what other models do.

 

[Sevrin]

For those of us who tipped for this show and got absolutely nothing in return...we learn a valuable lesson. When you tip there are no expectations, tipping is just for appreciation and admiration.

No. What MFC says in their boilerplate and how the site operates are two different things. Whatever MFC says to keep us off their backs, in the real world interactions between models and members are based on trust, and the currency underlying those interaction is tokens. They are all we have. If every other model pulled out that "tips are gifts" horseshit, as "the rules" entitle them to just because MFC's not running the metre at that moment, then not one video or set of pics would ever get sold and not one countdown would be completed, because members would not trust any model for anything. In the real world, there is trust.

Shit happens, and another model fucked up. But we all fuck up now and then, including in situations involving our livelihoods and other people's feelings and/or money. That does not mean that we need to assume the position every time we enter a model's room and hope she uses lube. The system does actually work pretty well and tokens are not fucking "gifts" unless you say they are, just because a model welched on a deal the other day. Tokens are currency and most models understand that very well. That said, you can get screwed paying in tokens, but you can get also screwed paying in cash.

 

[Jupiter551]

The guys who resent being nudged toward the tip button are the ones who never buy flowers.

I doubt it, being told I need to tip has seen me cancel a tip I was halfway through completing more than once. I tip for no reason at all sometimes and being nudged toward it is more likely to have the opposite effect on me.

I don't think I'm a scrooge.

I think the ones who buy flowers without being told are the ones who resent being nudged to buy them.

 

[JoleneBrody]

The guys who resent being nudged toward the tip button are the ones who never buy flowers.

I doubt it, being told I need to tip has seen me cancel a tip I was halfway through completing more than once. I tip for no reason at all sometimes and being nudged toward it is more likely to have the opposite effect on me.

I don't think I'm a scrooge.

I think the ones who buy flowers without being told are the ones who resent being nudged to buy them.

We may be thinking of the wrong nudging here but if I did not remind my room of the count down or "nudge" people to tip on occasion I would never reach my goal. The fact is that MFC is very easy to get caught up in and 'forget' to tip. It is a social site full of fun conversation and can easily be distracting from the root goal. Asking Beggars to tip for requests or reminding a room after a three song fully naked dance that at least one tip would be pretty rad is just a part of it, no matter how uncomfortable it makes us feel to ask.

 

[LadyLuna]

See, this whole debate is why I've stopped having countdowns in my room.

What do you do when someone who has consistently spent big money on you comes in requesting private in the middle of the countdown, and then wants the exact show you were counting down to?

For a shower show, well... 3 out of 4 shower shows have made me sick the next day because of how easily I get cold. I thought summer would be good, but no, I still got sick, because no matter how warm I keep my room, the rest of the apartment is always kept cooler for his sake. And with the bathroom door open to keep the camera from getting fogged up, no warm air builds up. And with the shower curtain open for people to see, no warm air builds up. So I get cold, and get sick, from doing 1 shower show. What do I then do if someone wants that show in private?

Luckily, I haven't had to answer this question yet. I've decided, not happening. Here's what will happen: one of these days, I'm gonna do a shower group show. Everyone who wants to watch can join the group show. And if people leave the group show in the middle of the shower, I'll pull the curtain closed and finish my shower in comfort!

Instead of countdowns, mine are simple prices. one person wants to see me do a striptease? Well that gentleman can choose between taking me private, and seeing a happy ending, or tipping 200 tokens in public, and seeing me do a sexy strip tease followed by me quickly getting dressed. Someone tips for something right before the private invitation arrives? Well, if it's something quick, I have a whole 2 minutes to accept the private! Otherwise, an apology with promises of doing it when I get back. A pm when I get back if the guy's not there. And the 15 minute leeway for the guy to claim his purchase. That way, there's no worries! And since the longest thing on there takes a whole 10 minutes, it's not like I'm going to be staying on extra late.

Now, if a person tips at the end of my shift, and I've been saying it's the end of my shift, I'm still not sure on what to do... I'm thinking of saying "Thank you so much, but I need to go to bed, so I'll talk to you later and we can arrange something." And then following through with that. But I know how horrible my memory is, and I'd probably forget to follow through.

 

[Bocefish]

What do you do when someone who has consistently spent big money on you comes in requesting private in the middle of the countdown, and then wants the exact show you were counting down to?

Well... you can either take the private and tell members you'll be back to continue the countdown and do two shows, or politely explain to Mr. Big spender that you're in the middle of a countdown show and he can just tip to get the same show.

If a model rips people off, she won't last long. The grapevines are vast and speedy.

 

[LadyLuna]

What do you do when someone who has consistently spent big money on you comes in requesting private in the middle of the countdown, and then wants the exact show you were counting down to?

Well... you can either take the private and tell members you'll be back to continue the countdown and do two shows, or politely explain to Mr. Big spender that you're in the middle of a countdown show and he can just tip to get the same show.

If he doesn't understand, then oh well. It's your room, run it how you want.

It seems easy to say that, but...

It's really hard in practice. Especially for someone who really doesn't like telling people "no". (I've gotten a lot better at saying no, but still sympathize with those who haven't, and still have my moments where I waver on things that should be an automatic no.)

 

[Jupiter551]

It seems easy to say that, but...

It's really hard in practice. Especially for someone who really doesn't like telling people "no". (I've gotten a lot better at saying no, but still sympathize with those who haven't, and still have my moments where I waver on things that should be an automatic no.)

Sure, but in every business you occasionally have to make a difficult decision - say you're selling something and you accept an offer and then a regular comes along and demands you sell it to him instead.

As difficult as it is, you need to just say "no, I'm sorry I've agreed to do this before you arrived" or whatever. Unless they're dicks, they'll understand.

Regulars etc should get priority treatment up until the point someone else has paid a significant amount for something. I would call 700 tokens significant.

 

[AmberCutie]

For a shower show, well... 3 out of 4 shower shows have made me sick the next day because of how easily I get cold. I thought summer would be good, but no, I still got sick, because no matter how warm I keep my room, the rest of the apartment is always kept cooler for his sake. And with the bathroom door open to keep the camera from getting fogged up, no warm air builds up. And with the shower curtain open for people to see, no warm air builds up. So I get cold, and get sick, from doing 1 shower show. What do I then do if someone wants that show in private?

Totally off-topic here, but are you in the mindset that you catch illness from temperature, rather than viruses or bacteria?

 

[Jupiter551]

For a shower show, well... 3 out of 4 shower shows have made me sick the next day because of how easily I get cold. I thought summer would be good, but no, I still got sick, because no matter how warm I keep my room, the rest of the apartment is always kept cooler for his sake. And with the bathroom door open to keep the camera from getting fogged up, no warm air builds up. And with the shower curtain open for people to see, no warm air builds up. So I get cold, and get sick, from doing 1 shower show. What do I then do if someone wants that show in private?

Totally off-topic here, but are you in the mindset that you catch illness from temperature, rather than viruses or bacteria?

I thought getting cold makes you more vulnerable to the virus/bacteria

 

[Bocefish]

For a shower show, well... 3 out of 4 shower shows have made me sick the next day because of how easily I get cold. I thought summer would be good, but no, I still got sick, because no matter how warm I keep my room, the rest of the apartment is always kept cooler for his sake. And with the bathroom door open to keep the camera from getting fogged up, no warm air builds up. And with the shower curtain open for people to see, no warm air builds up. So I get cold, and get sick, from doing 1 shower show. What do I then do if someone wants that show in private?

Totally off-topic here, but are you in the mindset that you catch illness from temperature, rather than viruses or bacteria?

I thought getting cold makes you more vulnerable to the virus/bacteria

That's a myth

Facts:

1. Almost everybody becomes infected whether they are chilled or not, if cold virus is dropped into the nose.

2. One study has looked at this question. It was found that colds were no more frequent or severe in volunteers who were chilled than those who were not.

http://www.commoncold.org/special1.htm#top

A sudden transition in temperature, such as going from a very hot to a very cold environment or vice versa, will weaken your resistance as your body tries to re-balance itself quicker than usual.

High heat is usually also associated with high humidity, which means that unless you are accustomed to that, this also increases your risk for getting ill.

It is often believed that colds and flu and other infectious diseases can be caused by cold weather, changes in temperatures, being wet outside, or having wet hair, etc. None of this is correct information.

People also often say that being cold affects your immune system so you are more susceptible to infections. This is also not correct. When this is discussed, it doesn't just mean feeling chilly or even getting "goosebumps" or shivering. Hypothermia can have negative effects on your entire body including the immune system, but just being cold is not hypothermia. When medical studies use that term, it is used to refer to a specific measurement of core body temperature.

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