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I still can't believe this. It's common knowledge that in some cultures that rhino horns are prized for various reasons. The standard prevention has been to cut off the horn (doesn't hurt the rhino). It seems now that they have stepped it up, and insert a poison pill in the horn. The group was giving a demo, and the 20+ y/o rhino died from the tranquilizer.

The group leader was quoted as saying "It's a death that I still chalk up to poaching."
 
I love how they still managed to blame the death on poachers. MFW.
 
Its horrible what happened.
Im from SA and the people are going absolutely nuts about it.
I know our rangers try there hardest to stop poaching, going as far as seriously wounding any poachers they catch in the act. I heard that this reserve is being summoned to court soon for this.
What a shame.
 
Anaesthetics are not safe.
We don't even have safe ones for humans that can be administered simply, and without risk.

In animals, the risk factors are poorly studied, and any time you tranquillise an animal, there is risk.
This ranges from it being really hard to perform CPR on a rhino, to poor position, ...

The 'poison' they are using (as I understand it an insecticide), only has a purpose if it is publicised.
It seems a reasonable approach to reduce poaching - if you can get people to understand that horn is likely 'poisoned'.
One way of getting through to people is to do it on TV.

If there were no poachers, then there would be no need for efforts like this - hence yes, the death is squarely on the poachers.
 
FifthElephant said:
If there were no poachers, then there would be no need for efforts like this - hence yes, the death is squarely on the poachers.

No man, the death is squarely on the person who administered the anaesthetic and (presumably) was not an anaesthesiologist. Regardless of WHY they were doing this, they had a moral obligation to make sure the dose wasn't going to be lethal. Rhinos in zoos don't drop dead regularly from being anaesthetised, I sincerely doubt the conservationist was medically qualified to administer to rhinos.

Saying this is the poacher's fault is like saying a security guard at an airport accidentally shooting someone because they were nervous and had their safety off is the fault of Al Qaeda. Or Al Qaeda saying 911 deaths should be blamed on American foreign policy - it's very easy to pass the buck and claim someone else is responsible.
 
It was an unfortunate, accidental death, but a worthwhile endeavor that will probably save a lot of future rhinos in the long run. Sedating any wild animal is dangerous, but these guys have done it before.

The private reserve near the capital, Pretoria, calls in veterinarians to sedate rhinos so their horns can be treated with a dye and an insecticide, and tracking and identification devices can be inserted.

A male in his mid to late 20s, fairly old for such an animal, could not be revived after being sedated Thursday, said Rhino Rescue Project spokeswoman Lorinda Hern.

"The rhino had an unfortunate reaction to the anesthesia," she said. "Every time you dart a rhino, you take a risk that the rhino might not wake up and unfortunately today was one of those days."

Conservation groups insert poison capsules into the horns of rhinos, which release poison into the horn when it is removed from the animal and are meant to render the horn value-less for hunters seeking to sell it on for use in traditional medicine.

Conservation groups sometimes remove horns from rhinos to deter poachers, as msnbc.com's Dara Brown reported in the video below. The horns are similar to hair or fingernails, and grow back after several months.
 
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http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/09/10364240-rhino-dies-in-anti-poaching-demo-by-conservationists

I still can't believe this. It's common knowledge that in some cultures that rhino horns are prized for various reasons. The standard prevention has been to cut off the horn (doesn't hurt the rhino). It seems now that they have stepped it up, and insert a poison pill in the horn. The group was giving a demo, and the 20+ y/o rhino died from the tranquilizer.

The group leader was quoted as saying "It's a death that I still chalk up to poaching."

Not sure what it is you can't believe? Both anti-poaching techniques require the rhinos to be sedated whether it be removing the horn or inserting poison into the horn. They sedate the rhinos either way and are by no means inexperienced at doing so. There's huge risks sedating any wild animal and this was one of those unfortunate times that ended badly for the rhino. The veterinarian didn't do anything wrong, so I can see how he or she lays the blame at the poacher's feet.
 
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Well said Boce.

While it is sad that this happened, it is important not to lose sight of the fact that it is poachers that are the problem. Yes, this is a tragic outcome, but it is not a reason to either drop conservation efforts of bring down a conservation society over it. Things like this do happen, just like some people go into surgery and never come back out - because sedation always carries a risk.

The conservationists are working hard to protect the animals. They don't do these things without consulting the correct people for it.



Jupiter551 said:
Rhinos in zoos don't drop dead regularly from being anaesthetised, I sincerely doubt the conservationist was medically qualified to administer to rhinos.

Two questions.
1) How do you know what happens in every zoo in the world when animals are sedated?
2) Now you find out they are qualified... are you still on the "omg omg omg" bandwagon, or looking at this as a tragic outcome.
 
Zoomer said:
Jupiter551 said:
Rhinos in zoos don't drop dead regularly from being anaesthetised, I sincerely doubt the conservationist was medically qualified to administer to rhinos.

Two questions.
1) How do you know what happens in every zoo in the world when animals are sedated?
2) Now you find out they are qualified... are you still on the "omg omg omg" bandwagon, or looking at this as a tragic outcome.
1) I know rhinos in captivity are a big deal and don't drop dead during routine tranquilisation.
2) I stand by my statement, anaesthesiology is a science. If the animal was healthy enough to judge it safe to undergo tranquilisation then it shouldn't be a problem, if the animal was in a high risk category (as they claim) then they are negligent for tranquilising it.
 
Each and EVERY rhino is worth trying to save! If trained veterinarians deemed Spencer healthy enough to tranquilize, then who are we to armchair judge? Do you really think they'd invite the media to film their actions if they didn't know what the hell they were doing?? One undiluted drop of a certain rhino sedation narcotic (Etorphine) on bare skin will kill a human within an hour. Tranquilizing agents don't affect every animal uniformly and Spencer had a bad reaction, plain and simple! They certainly look experienced and well trained in their duties treating Spencer:

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What I don't get is why some Asians value rhino horns at $99,000 per kilo for (pseudo-scientific) medicinal purposes. The horns are made of keratin, the same type of protein that makes up hair and fingernails.

This is an outdated image, but you get the point:
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As of November 2011, western black rhinos were declared extinct in South Africa due to poaching.

The Atlantic reports that just a few weeks after the Javan rhinoceros in Vietnam was declared extinct, the West African black rhino, which haven’t been found since 2006, was officially marked down as extinct.

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), which is the United Nations-backed body that makes these types of depressing declarations, has also warned that other subspecies are facing the same fate, all because of widespread poaching.

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/11/12/bla ... z1mC7wcHJ4

Museums in London and elsewhere that have rhino horns on display have been broken into for the sole purpose of rhino horn thievery.
 
It's obvious that some of us are going to have to "agree to disagree". I believe that most (or all) of us are opposed to the poaching of these animals and the market for the horns.

Yes, I still find it unbelievable that:

*Why they chose this "elderly" specimen, it just makes sense that a younger rhino *might* have survived
*Why they chose to make it a media event, any wild animal is going to be stressed at being captured. Am I the only one who thinks the dog & pony show and dozens of extra people present added to the stress on the rhino?
*Couldn't their point been made just as well with a minimum of people present, taping from a distance and giving that to the media?

Most unbelievable is the fact that the group fails to take responsibility for their actions. While poaching is the reason why they cut off and/or poison the horns, it was poor planning and poorer execution that caused the death.

Yes, poaching is a big problem, no doubt about that. I don't have the answers. There are many experts who feel that the preemptive horn cutting doesn't achieve the goals that it is hoped to do.

How about:
*Taking the stockpiles of horns and selling them, take that money to purchase more isolated land for preserves (pipe dream)
*Educating the tribes, make them partners in protecting the rhinos. This has had success in other parts of Africa in regards to elephant poaching.
*Most of the poachers are poor tribesmen who are also suffering from a loss of habitat. In conjunction with education, maybe a stipend could be arranged for them so they can feed themselves.
*This is becoming a bigger problem due to citizens of China and Vietnam becoming more prosperous. In addition to keeping pressure on the governments, pressure should be brought to bear on these global companies (IBM, Apple, etc). (another pipe dream)

There's more, but I have made my point.
 
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Statement about Spencer
Posted on February 11, 2012

As you can probably well imagine, the past two nights were fraught with much reflection, a crushing sense of loss and endless “would have, could have, should have” questions. I woke up with the realization today that, if I were given the opportunity to perform this particular procedure again, there was not a single thing I would have changed or done differently. By anyone’s standards, Spencer’s horn treatment was the perfect procedure – from start to finish, everything ran absolutely smoothly; a fact to which I believe every person present on the day can attest. No less than five wildlife veterinarians, unrelated to the project, concluded that negligence or incompetence played no role in the animal’s death. Dr. Joseph Okori from the WWF and Dr. Brett Garnder from the Johannesburg Zoo in fact said the procedure was performed with great professionalism. To be honest, I myself did not realize disaster had struck until I sat down to do the media briefing after and received the devastating news: “We’ve lost him”. Stupidly, in that instant, I had an “ER moment” – I was convinced we could resuscitate our unresponsive patient with a shot of adrenalin or a heart massage… had it not been for the fact that the “patient” weighed in at a hefty two tons, I think I would actually have tried.

I have unfortunately become, from one day to the next and certainly not by choice, a rhino owner in a very unique position: I have lost an animal due to poaching and I have lost animal in an attempt to protect it from poaching. Although the emptiness and grief is the same, I am at peace with Spencer’s passing in a way I was not with Queenstown’s. Queenstown was a pregnant rhino cow that had been poached on our property along with her two year old calf early in 2010. You see, my sadness over Queenstown was punctuated with feelings of guilt and shame that we had not done enough to protect her. It was because of her that we launched this anti-poaching initiative in the first place. With Spencer, I am comforted in the knowledge that we could have done no more for him.

I am sure many will question the need for this procedure, and why we invited the press to attend it. These are valid questions. Some time ago, we received information that Spencer was a potential poaching target, as he did not form part of our initial treatment sample and was therefore vulnerable. We had reason to believe that he was in danger and scheduled the treatment accordingly. Such is my belief in this project, all the research we have done and the number of successful treatments we had performed previously (we have even treated pregnant cows before – all of whom are in perfect health, as well as their calfs) that I was happy to have the media attend, given that so many had expressed an interest before in seeing what exactly the treatment entails. We were certainly not engaging in any activity we were embarrassed about or did not want recorded. I believed openness and transparency about the procedure would debunk many of the myths that still surround it, hence our willingness to engage with the press.

In my mind, we could only ever have handled the ensuing tragedy by telling the truth. Although I will gladly admit that running away was a very attractive (albeit completely unrealistic) alternative as sheer panic set in. The truth is that, in this industry, losing animals under anaesthesia is not uncommon. In fact, losing humans under anaesthesia is not uncommon either. Rhinos especially, are very sensitive to sedatives and these animals are often lost during relocations, dehornings or other medical procedures. Whenever an animal is immobilized for whatever reason, the possibility exists that said animal might not regain consciousness. Needless to say, this does not mean we should no longer perform medical procedures on animals, only that we be aware of the risks involved every time we do.

On the surface, Spencer appeared to be in excellent health, and the risk of immobilizing him was a calculated one. His heart rate was monitored throughout the procedure and did not fluctuate greatly at all – indicating he wasn’t getting overly stressed. He was turned once during the procedure to ensure that he did not cut off the blood supply to his limbs by laying with his full weight on them for too long, and the procedure was scheduled for early in the morning to reduce the risk of the animal “over heating”. Spencer was darted from a helicopter and all went smoothly with the initial sedation – he did not have to be chased down. He went down approximately 6 minutes after the dart was inserted. His eyes and ears were then covered and plugged to keep his stress levels to a minimum. A DNA sample was harvested, after which the infusion equipment was attached to the horn. This device infuses all of the horn’s “tubules” with a bright pink dye (which makes it impossible to smuggle the dye out of any major port with scanning equipment) and an ectoparasiticide to protect the animal against ticks (rhinos in captivity, where there are often not many Ox-Peckers, are very attractive targets to ticks). Lastly, a tracking device was inserted and the holes in the horns sealed with an epoxy mixture. During the procedure, Spencer was shivering and twitching (called “paddling”, which is a normal response to anaesthesia) and snorting loudly from time to time, with spittle collecting in the corners of his mouth (also a normal reaction to anaesthesia). It is believed that he, for the first time, developed heart arythmia when the wake-up drug was administered, after which he simply did not regain consciousness.

It was only after the veterinary team failed to revive him that a preliminary post-mortem examination was performed during which it was revealed that Spencer had a particularly high body fat percentage. This, coupled with his age (he was in his mid-twenties) could possibly have brought about his negative reaction to the anaesthetic. We are still waiting for the toxicology, hematology and histopathology testing to be completed and will give feedback on the results as soon as we can. However, I can categorically state that the horn treatment was in no way responsible for, or a contributing factor to, Spencer’s passing. Were it not for a poaching situation that will cause the species to go extinct between the next 5 to 8 years, rhino owners would not have to resort to counter-measures like horn treatments, dehorning or relocation (all of with involve immobilization of the animal) to keep our rhino’s safe. Even a full-time anti-poaching unit (which we also have on the property) is not a guarantee against poaching.

What happened was, and remains, a humbling experience. Bad things happen to good people all the time, and we are not exempt from our share of suffering. I am sure that we will face many vindictive attacks about Spencer in days and weeks to come. However, we shall continue the work we are doing with the same level of integrity we always have. I am happy to answer any questions anyone may have about Spencer or the treatment. We still believe that the relative small risk involved in sedating an animal versus the big risk of leaving that animal unprotected from poaching in any one way, shape or form, is a justifiable one. Insurance companies believe the same thing – they are willing to insure animals who need to be immobilized for medical procedures, but they are seldom willing to insure animals against poaching. In over 500 prior procedures, our wildlife vet, Dr. Charles van Niekerk had never before lost a rhino under anaesthetic. His sense of loss is probably even greater than my own.

Spencer’s passing is a stark reminder that rhino poaching is one crime that leaves little room for happy endings.

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I think the stipend, combined with aggressively going after the smugglers, suppliers and street sellers would be more effective than this roundabout and dangerous method of making the horn worthless. I wonder how many rhinos have been killed by poachers who weren't sure whether the horn was worthless or not?

If police were aggressive enough against the other end of the chain the shopkeepers would quickly refuse to handle the stuff, demand would drop off and the stipend would handle things from the supply part.

The poachers may do the killing but from the chart Boce posted showing how much the street value is, they're obviously not the ones driving this.
 
Now that I've cleared up all the prior questions and misconceptions of negligence...

Jupiter551 said:
I think the stipend, combined with aggressively going after the smugglers, suppliers and street sellers would be more effective than this roundabout and dangerous method of making the horn worthless.

Roundabout and dangerous method? In over 500 prior procedures, the wildlife vet, Dr. Charles van Niekerk had never before lost a rhino under anaesthetic.

This is a multi-billion dollar international crime syndicate that uses helicopters, night vision and state of the art high powered weaponry to poach ivory and rhino horns. I'm not sure you understand the seriousness or depth of the problem by your statement.

Jupiter551 said:
I wonder how many rhinos have been killed by poachers who weren't sure whether the horn was worthless or not?

If it wasn't a cost effective means, would they bother doing it? If they remove the pseudo-science value of the horn, there will be no more poaching.

Jupiter551 said:
If police were aggressive enough against the other end of the chain the shopkeepers would quickly refuse to handle the stuff, demand would drop off and the stipend would handle things from the supply part.

Once again... this is a multi-billion dollar international crime syndicate that has paid off law enforcement, threatened and killed people trying to impede their profits or testify against them.


Gee, I wonder why no charges were filed?

Jupiter551 said:
The poachers may do the killing but from the chart Boce posted showing how much the street value is, they're obviously not the ones driving this.

Those so-called ancient Chinese remedies are to blame for a lot of endangered species... tigers, sharks, elephants and rhinos just to name a few.

BTW, just an added little tidbit... Rhinos average life spans are between 35-50 years old in the wild, barring the poaching factor.
 
Sedation in animals is always touchy. I don't believe this was anything but an unfortunate bad reaction.

I've had a perfectly healthy dog die under sedation, that she had been though several times before (dental cleaning) and the last time, she woke up was walking around and an hour later dropped dead.

Bad reaction.

I had a horse also die while under sedation, the dose was light, the horse was middle aged and healthy, and also had had it done before. He just stopped breathing right before he woke up.

Shit happens sometimes.

As for blaming it on the poachers, that statement was pretty simple. if they didnt have to sedate and poison the horns to keep idiots from poaching the rhino for it, the big fella would still be alive and not endangered to begin with.

So yeah... it's the poachers fault, in the end. I dunno why they dont pay out $99k for each dead poacher, then there wouldnt be a problem.
 
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I believe they may have started using poison instead of cutting the horns off in the hopes that the poachers will not know which rhinos have been treated. I do not think the poachers will care, and will continue to kill all they see. They will still collect the horns and hope they can find a gullible or desperate buyer for it. I see no end to the market for animal body parts, when people are still being killed in parts of the world for religious rituals.
 
Shaun__ said:
I believe they may have started using poison instead of cutting the horns off in the hopes that the poachers will not know which rhinos have been treated.

At first, I thought the same thing until I read this in the statement from Spencer's owner:
Some time ago, we received information that Spencer was a potential poaching target, as he did not form part of our initial treatment sample and was therefore vulnerable. We had reason to believe that he was in danger and scheduled the treatment accordingly.

That statement leads me to believe the poachers have inside info or are otherwise somehow privy to which rhino's horns are viable for profit. Furthermore, the horn treatment method is a one time risk for the rhino instead of having to be tranquilized every couple of months since the horn grows back.
 
Bocefish said:
Now that I've cleared up all the prior questions and misconceptions of negligence...

Jupiter551 said:
I think the stipend, combined with aggressively going after the smugglers, suppliers and street sellers would be more effective than this roundabout and dangerous method of making the horn worthless.

Roundabout and dangerous method? In over 500 prior procedures, the wildlife vet, Dr. Charles van Niekerk had never before lost a rhino under anaesthetic.

This is a multi-billion dollar international crime syndicate that uses helicopters, night vision and state of the art high powered weaponry to poach ivory and rhino horns. I'm not sure you understand the seriousness or depth of the problem by your statement.
Well the poachers must be making more per kill than the chart in your previous post claimed if they're flying around in helicopters.

The fact remains, you cannot halt the problem at the poachers end until a) the rhinos all become extinct or b) there is unequivocally no rhinos left in the wild with horns. Of course, even if one of those two conditions were met it wouldn't have any impact on other endangered animals being poached for body parts.

I understand the problem is large, which is exactly why the only way to tackle it is by cutting it off at the end where all the big money is made.
 
Jupiter551 said:
Well the poachers must be making more per kill than the chart in your previous post claimed if they're flying around in helicopters.
As I said earlier, the chart was outdated and just for reference. Anything worth more than gold, illegal, easily available and in high demand will bring out more sophisticated organized crime syndicates. Politicians, law enforcement, customs agents... are either bought off and/or their lives threatened.
Jupiter551 said:
The fact remains, you cannot halt the problem at the poachers end until a) the rhinos all become extinct or b) there is unequivocally no rhinos left in the wild with horns. Of course, even if one of those two conditions were met it wouldn't have any impact on other endangered animals being poached for body parts. I understand the problem is large, which is exactly why the only way to tackle it is by cutting it off at the end where all the big money is made.
That is far from fact. You yourself previously kept coming up with different scenarios to remedy the problem, but now you're basically saying it's useless if there are still rhinos with horns in demand?

Rendering the horns useless is a perfectly viable option and just because there was one bad reaction doesn't mean it's hopeless. If Asians still need their rhino horn pseudo-science medicine, they can help preserve them and eventually breed them to trim their horns every so often. Way more than one way skin a cat, so to speak.
 
Bocefish said:
If Asians still need their rhino horn pseudo-science medicine, they can help preserve them and eventually breed them to trim their horns every so often. Way more than one way skin a cat, so to speak.

I am sorry, but that is a fate worse than death. These are pictures from bile farms. The bears are driven insane I hear. I would much rather they give up their superstitions.

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Hmmm what would I care to ad? Much more than most will care to read so I will try to remain brief while expressing a few of my strongest feelings.

First I must say, Jup I am surprised. I am surprised when ever I encounter anyone of great intelligence expressing what IMO feels like great stupidity. As to the original post and its offering for comment - Yes I can clearly understand the directors sentiment that the poachers were to blame for the death of this rhino. In fact I not only understand it, but would be 100% in agreement with it, if it were not for my strong belief that no one should ever be released in the responsibility of their actions, lest they be completely daft and unaware of their actions.

I am not sure what the solution might be. I am sure what it is not. The idea that there could be an aggressive enough policing of supply lines, and/or places of distribution that you could stanch the flow of the contraband, and therefore stop the trade, is pissing in the wind. The failed war on drugs of the U.S., exemplifies that, while there is demand, and somewhere supply that you will never be able to completely stop the one from flowing toward the other. Efforts to dry up supply lines, and distribution points have most often only served to increase the value and violence associated with the contraband in the short term. That same increased pressure facilitates the development of new lines of supply and places of distribution, thus increasing the numbers of both in the long term.

If this was not such a urgent matter, and there were time, eliminating the demand for the horn would be the ultimate best answer. But there is no where near that kind of time. In the case of china, it is an ancient culture with beliefs in such curatives that go back scores of generations and 1000s of years. Add to that, that when faced with a life ending disease like cancer, that a person is temped to believe anything in their desire to survive.

unfortunately the only hope may be to render every remaining horn value-less.

Or no more crazy than trying to construct an impermeable wall between demand and supply, how about this.

We create a regulated legal trade arrangement between the private owners, and governments who control, and own the last populations of rhino, and a few privileged state wholesalers in china to import/export rhino horn. The Rhino would be no worse off to be tranquilized as often as they now are, to have their horn harvested. The increased supply would lower the cost/value, and in turn make poaching less profitable. The cost of taking the horn would be offset by the revenue generated by the legal sale of the horn. Part of the revenue would be flowing back to the nearby tribal ppl who now instead of poaching the rhino could be employed in the farming of the horn. Which in turn would make the act of poaching, that much less desirable, as the potential poacher would be unpopular and a threat to the legal rhino workers. He would now be hunted where he used to be hidden...

I could go on but I have no real world knowledge or experience of what I suggest, and I am sure someone who did/does could blow holes in this idea, but I hope to make the point that whatever the solution is, if there is one, it probably has to be something radical do to the current state of the rhino.

Maybe collecting as much DNA as we can now, in the hope that if worst comes to worst, we might someday resurrect the rhino, is the best we can do. IDK, its really sort of a sad affair, and not exclusive of the rhino. :( Sorry if I failed again on the brief bit.
I am very tired now & will go to sleep to hopefully dream of happier things.
 
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First I must say, Jup I am surprised. I am surprised when ever I encounter anyone of great intelligence expressing what IMO feels like great stupidity.
Yea, well, there was no reason to get personal. I just hate it when I disagree with my heroes.
 
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camstory said:
First I must say, Jup I am surprised. I am surprised when ever I encounter anyone of great intelligence expressing what IMO feels like great stupidity.
Yea, well, there was no reason to get personal. I just hate it when I disagree with my heroes.
I didn't think it was too personal, you're entitled to think I have stupid opinions lol.
 
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