careful with some models

[Zoomer]

yes now i only make this...
Tip for raffles or clean boards... is dangeours..

Tips are dangerous full stop! There is NOTHING to ensure what you tip for happens. Like any service, if it's not "pay as you go", then you really need to know/trust said model for "pay now collect later" types of events. WRT tips, MFC states no refund policy - only with privates.

 

[LadyLuna]

Tips are dangerous full stop! There is NOTHING to ensure what you tip for happens. Like any service, if it's not "pay as you go", then you really need to know/trust said model for "pay now collect later" types of events. WRT tips, MFC states no refund policy - only with privates.

Tips are gifts and not bribes so please do not send tips and then demand something in return, that's not fair to the models.

Just as in real life, tips cannot be reviewed or refunded.

See MFC Wiki-Tips if you don't believe me.

MFC meant tips to be a GIFT from the member to a model, NOT for it to be used as a method of payment. This is why models who don't do anything for tips are completely within their right.

HOWEVER, a model going back on her part of the bargain is bad for business. Word spreads- this model is a liar and a fraud. Those of us in the US who know anything about business know about this. Especially with as much as the "false advertising" law suits happen. However, in countries that don't have a lot of entrepreneurship (people starting up their own businesses), the people probably don't get that a business going back on it's word doesn't last very long.

Amber doesn't allow us to post blacklists. So, there currently is no place for us to quickly get a list of members who can't be trusted. I know of a few off the top of my head that I haven't said a word about. Instead, we are simply advised to receive payment before giving services. I will say that for awhile, I banned anyone who promised tips for something and then never tipped. Out of 100 people, only 2 actually tipped when I gave what they wanted. The rest disappeared the instant they got it.

This puts us in a tight spot when a member gets ripped off by another model, since he now wants to be sure of the goods before he pays, but we won't give it until he does pay. The only solution I can see is either stick with group and private, or start small and work your way up (tip 10 for whatever, then 50, then 100... and so on). The best protection you gentlemen have is word-of-mouth. Tell everyone who ripped you off and how, and she'll lose her business so fast it won't be funny.

On the model side, not only will 98 out of a hundred rip the model off if they can get away with it (maybe more), but it's very possible they either don't get away with it very often OR they actually do follow through with their favorite models, just not with anyone else, so it's hard to say "this one will always rip you off".

But, I must stress again, that if the tip is a GIFT, then nothing is expected in return anyway.

(I flash for every tip, cause I like to flash)

 

[Rose]

Tips are dangerous full stop! There is NOTHING to ensure what you tip for happens. Like any service, if it's not "pay as you go", then you really need to know/trust said model for "pay now collect later" types of events. WRT tips, MFC states no refund policy - only with privates.

Tips are gifts and not bribes so please do not send tips and then demand something in return, that's not fair to the models.

Just as in real life, tips cannot be reviewed or refunded.

See MFC Wiki-Tips if you don't believe me.

MFC meant tips to be a GIFT from the member to a model, NOT for it to be used as a method of payment. This is why models who don't do anything for tips are completely within their right.

HOWEVER, a model going back on her part of the bargain is bad for business. Word spreads- this model is a liar and a fraud. Those of us in the US who know anything about business know about this. Especially with as much as the "false advertising" law suits happen. However, in countries that don't have a lot of entrepreneurship (people starting up their own businesses), the people probably don't get that a business going back on it's word doesn't last very long.

Amber doesn't allow us to post blacklists. So, there currently is no place for us to quickly get a list of members who can't be trusted. I know of a few off the top of my head that I haven't said a word about. Instead, we are simply advised to receive payment before giving services. I will say that for awhile, I banned anyone who promised tips for something and then never tipped. Out of 100 people, only 2 actually tipped when I gave what they wanted. The rest disappeared the instant they got it.

This puts us in a tight spot when a member gets ripped off by another model, since he now wants to be sure of the goods before he pays, but we won't give it until he does pay. The only solution I can see is either stick with group and private, or start small and work your way up (tip 10 for whatever, then 50, then 100... and so on). The best protection you gentlemen have is word-of-mouth. Tell everyone who ripped you off and how, and she'll lose her business so fast it won't be funny.

On the model side, not only will 98 out of a hundred rip the model off if they can get away with it (maybe more), but it's very possible they either don't get away with it very often OR they actually do follow through with their favorite models, just not with anyone else, so it's hard to say "this one will always rip you off".

But, I must stress again, that if the tip is a GIFT, then nothing is expected in return anyway.

(I flash for every tip, cause I like to flash)

very well said. thank you for posting it's a two way street between cheating members and lying models.

 

[Jupiter551]

Concerning what the OP wrote....yes the guy is undoubtedly an idiot to send all that money to anyone he doesn't know, on a camsite or anywhere.

However, surely there's something illegal about her scamming it too? Yeah it's his fault...but as far as laws are concerned it's not okay to scam someone just because they're an idiot lol.

Tipping a model is one thing - it's, as noted, a gift. You can't demand anything by it. Transferring money to someone on the pretext of them doing something whether it's meeting you for a date, selling you some shares, or anything, without the intention to follow through and/or to extort more money is a confidence trick. A con. And yeah it's illegal.

Wikipedia regarding "Romance" cons

Romance scam
The traditional romance scam has now moved into internet dating sites. The con actively cultivates a romantic relationship which often involves promises of marriage. However, after some time it becomes evident that this Internet "sweetheart" is stuck in his home country, lacking the money to leave the country and thus unable to be united with the mark. The scam then becomes an advance-fee fraud or a check fraud. A wide variety of reasons can be offered for the trickster's lack of cash, but rather than just borrow the money from the victim (advance fee fraud), the con man normally declares that they have checks which the victim can cash on their behalf and remit the money via a non-reversible transfer service to help facilitate the trip (check fraud). Of course, the checks are forged or stolen and the con man never makes the trip: the hapless victim ends up with a large debt and an aching heart.

To me at least, this sounds like a (minor) variation on the above well-known con...and the woman's profession, the guy's stupidity etc etc...has nothing at all to do with the fact that it's a con lol.

$80k is not a small amount of money, and while I agree the guy is a complete fucking idiot, that still doesn't give her the right to con him out of his savings... and convincing guys to transfer money to your bank account for things you never intend to do is fraud, not camwhoring lol.

 

[Zoomer]

Tips are dangerous full stop! There is NOTHING to ensure what you tip for happens. Like any service, if it's not "pay as you go", then you really need to know/trust said model for "pay now collect later" types of events. WRT tips, MFC states no refund policy - only with privates.

Tips are gifts and not bribes so please do not send tips and then demand something in return, that's not fair to the models.

Just as in real life, tips cannot be reviewed or refunded.

See MFC Wiki-Tips if you don't believe me.

hehe, I am very familiar with this as I've read the rules multiple times - I am merely correcting his idea that tipping for skype or to clear a board "is dangerous". I am pointing out that all tips are "dangerous" in exactly the same manner. No tip is a "guarantee" of anything! As I said, if you trust the girl - then go for it! But a tip is the same as any tip, doesn't matter what you tip for. The topic, undies, a skype show, a competition...

My personal fav of rules is this:

We are NOT able to issue token refunds for:
Tips (Tips are gifts and cannot be reversed, just like in real life.)
Group shows and spy shows (You can leave this type of show any time.

(you can leave a private at any time too...)

I personally like it because you read this:

Receiving payment outside MyFreeCams
Models are not allowed to ask for, or receive, payment from members outside of the website.
For example, if a model wants to sell her underwear to a member, or perform any other miscellaneous transaction, then please arrange the transaction using Tokens.

So, all payments through tokens...but nothing will be done if the payments aren't honored when agreement is paying for something specific :lol:

So I stand by what I said - if you don't know the model, I wouldn't bother tipping unless you are sure whatever you are tipping will be achieved. Whether this is a topic, or for a flash (she specifies!). Tipping for a topic such as a public show, for 8k of tokens, when the model may get just 4k in 3 hours and log off...its risky. A risk you take spending your tokens. I urge caution - observe the model for a few nights first to see what she's like perhaps.

As for legality - yes, I agree, I'd say she's broken the law too. I found it amusing several ladies saying they'd happily do it - but I like to think it's tongue in cheek and not honest. In the US I imagine you could get to court for this. Considering this lady is likely in Europe, dunno about the guy, I imagine it'd be far far more difficult.

I don't, however, think he's been duped out of $80k from what I understood... he's willingly given up all that. It's just the flight and associated stuff that'd be questionable.

 

[Jupiter551]

Hmm it seems the only safe way to buy a model's panties would be to take her private having discussed beforehand that the private would last x amount of minutes and the purpose of the private would be to observe her boxing up her panties, taking them to the post office and mailing them lol.

Then if she didn't do the above you MIGHT be able to ask for a refund on the pvt lol.

I don't, however, think he's been duped out of $80k from what I understood... he's willingly given up all that. It's just the flight and associated stuff that'd be questionable.

I dunno, you could argue that the entire purpose of a con job is to convince the mark to part with their money willingly, the point being the intention is to take the money under false pretences. Nigerian scams have been successfully prosecuted internationally, it's not out of the question - depends on the details.