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And it's not just prison either, people make jokes about men getting raped up the ass all of the time!
 
sweetiebatman said:
Spastic? honestly?

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Nordling said:
I guess I don't understand how speaking up and protesting distasteful jokes is a bad idea. Yeah, sure, vote with your feet, don't hang out in places where assholes are talking; but I don't see calling them out for what they are is in any way a bad idea. Spread the WORD! *Rape is not suitable material for comedy.

*yeah, you may have an exception, but I can't even imagine what that'd be.
I don't know that I'd say it's a bad idea. I just find it fruitless. It's one thing to spread the word to make sure others who don't appreciate his statement know and can take actions to avoid him as well. The way a lot of the people went off on Twitter isn't what I would classify as "speaking up and protesting" so much as "shit storm." A lot of people are quite emotional about this. They're letting it off on Twitter. My statements about that have simply implied that I find it rather off-putting. That's just my opinion though. Don't let it bother ya.

I also want to point out that I don't watch his television show and would not attend his live shows unless I considered the person I was going with worth the time.
 
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I think you just fell of the moral high ground then! I HATE that word, having a disabled brother referred to as that over and over by ill educated idiots i detest it as a lazy throwaway term
 
sweetiebatman said:
I think you just fell of the moral high ground then! I HATE that word, having a disabled brother referred to as that over and over by ill educated idiots i detest it as a lazy throwaway term

I never claimed moral high ground. I sided WITH this guy who's comedy I don't even like. I passively defended him.
 
mynameisbob84 said:
I think the word "spastic" is used in the USA as a term to describe someone that is energetic as opposed to handicapped. I think.

Indeed.
 
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FrankieChemical said:
sweetiebatman said:
I think you just fell of the moral high ground then! I HATE that word, having a disabled brother referred to as that over and over by ill educated idiots i detest it as a lazy throwaway term

I never claimed moral high ground. I sided WITH this guy who's comedy I don't even like. I passively defended him.

Yeh sorry reading back you did, I still object to the term spastic though, just my own personal experiance

Mirra however, thanks for being an absolute dick, I said I objected to a term for personal reasons and you post a song?!? WTF?! are you related to this comedian?!
 
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FrankieChemical said:
mynameisbob84 said:
I think the word "spastic" is used in the USA as a term to describe someone that is energetic as opposed to handicapped. I think.

Indeed.

If so then fair enough, and I apologise, It has had a very different connotation here in the UK growing up
 
JoleneJolene said:
And it's not just prison either, people make jokes about men getting raped up the ass all of the time!

Bubba making you his bitch has always been meant and taken in a humorous way in my experiences. Kinda like large Marge making you her prison bitch... Now if I personally knew an inmate that was raped in prison, then it would probably be a different story. YMMV :)
 
JoleneJolene said:
And it's not just prison either, people make jokes about men getting raped up the ass all of the time!
Whenever I hear jokes like that, it feels like it's coming from a homophobic and misogynist place. So men are barely the punchline there either. It's like the (even more crass and childish) of saying "You're a girl!" or "You're a fag!". :roll:
I will admit that the idea of a violent sexual offender ending up on the other side gives me a little bit of a smile. That's not very evolved of me, and since any spread of disease to men in jail will eventually land on women as well, not very well thought through.
 
sweetiebatman said:
Mirra however, thanks for being an absolute dick, I said I objected to a term for personal reasons and you post a song?!? WTF?! are you related to this comedian?!
No problem, bud. And no... my last name is not Tosh and I don't know of anyone named Tosh in my family tree. Oh wait... you were trying to say I'm not funny. Good to see you're not overreacting about a word, a song on youtube, and maybe some other things. I love when subtle differences in English between the US and GB cause people to go nuts.
 
JoleneJolene said:
The_Brown_Fox said:
Bocefish said:
Only time rape jokes are funny is when they're about dropping the soap in front of Bubba in the big iron bar motel.
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YES! I was actually about to say something about 'Bubba'...haha!


OK I know I'm about to likely start a shit storm but why is THIS OK?
I'm sure it's just as traumatizing, and possibly more so (who knows) for a man to be raped in the shower and it happens often. If we are going to pick battles we can't pick and choose pieces to defend.

Sorry, it being publicly and widely acceptable to treat men like soul-less morons is a sensitive subject for me.



You're right...it's not okay. And neither is it okay for someone to come into my room and say "I hope you get raped by that White dick that you worship so much." Sure, you could argue that "two wrongs don't make a right" and tell me to "just ignore it, Fox," but if someone is attacking me like that, the last thing on my mind is what's "right." So you'll have to excuse me if I don't turn the other cheek, and launch into combat mode instead.

And it happens on cam sites (and sometimes forum threads) too...specifically when a model has a troll in her room making nasty comments. Attack her for no reason and piss her off, then you'd better be prepared for shit to get ugly prior to the banhammer.

People should just use common sense and better judgement before opening their mouths. It sure would make life a bit easier, I think.
 
Mirra said:
sweetiebatman said:
Mirra however, thanks for being an absolute dick, I said I objected to a term for personal reasons and you post a song?!? WTF?! are you related to this comedian?!
No problem, bud. And no... my last name is not Tosh and I don't know of anyone named Tosh in my family tree. Oh wait... you were trying to say I'm not funny. Good to see you're not overreacting about a word, a song on youtube, and maybe some other things. I love when subtle differences in English between the US and GB cause people to go nuts.

I'd love to see you move on from people in the street calling your disabled brother a "spastic" driving your mother to an early grave

Not so subtle when you and your family have been dealing with it for the best part of 26 years. There is NO subtle difference there is clearly a massive difference
 
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ShelterLight said:
I've always thought Daniel Tosh was a giant douche.
Rape jokes aren't ever funny to people who have been raped. It's just insensitive to make light of something so painful.

I don't believe the lady who started this had mentioned ever being a victim of rape, but instead just greatly offended by it (understandable). Here is the link to the full blog that was written out. That doesn't make it okay by any means, but the guy was doing his job and she decided to inform he was doing it wrong. I would have told her off too, I just would have been smart enough to do it in a better way.
 
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After reading through the thread I picked up on something no one's really discussed except indirectly...

Is heckling always wrong? If I was in a club and someone made holocaust jokes, and from an obviously antisemitic point of view, yeah, I might stand up and tell the fuck he's a fuck. Comedy is not a sermon in church, and if your comedy is "edgy" or not thought out well...then the crowd has a right to bleep you with heckling.

Years ago, I saw Burt Lancaster on a talk show, he talked about having gone to the Opera in Rome. He said it's nothing like in other countries. He said that Italians bring boxes of fruit and vegetables with them and if the performance sucks, they start throwing. But he also said, that opera is never better anywhere else in the world.

So, I have to take each performance on its own merits. When a comic makes rape jokes or holocaust jokes or kindred...fuck him. Heckle away. If he were to have been smart, he'd probably have mumbled "er...sorry" or the like and moved on.
 
The_Brown_Fox said:
You're right...it's not okay. And neither is it okay for someone to come into my room and say "I hope you get raped by that White dick that you worship so much." Sure, you could argue that "two wrongs don't make a right" and tell me to "just ignore it, Fox," but if someone is attacking me like that, the last thing on my mind is what's "right." So you'll have to excuse me if I don't turn the other cheek, and launch into combat mode instead.

And it happens on cam sites (and sometimes forum threads) too...specifically when a model has a troll in her room making nasty comments. Attack her for no reason and piss her off, then you'd better be prepared for shit to get ugly prior to the banhammer.

People should just use common sense and better judgement before opening their mouths. It sure would make life a bit easier, I think.
Okay... am I the only one drawing parallels between how you say you'll treat a troll giving you shit in your room and how he treated the heckler at his show? I in no way mean to say that anyone should feel his comments are justified. I am merely saying it seems like a lot of you ladies should be able to relate.

He was on stage doing his thing for his comedy show and someone is being a real tool. This person is interrupting the flow of his show. This isn't the first time someone's acted like this and it won't be the last and he was tired of it.

You're doing your thing for your cam show and some guy is being a real tool. He's interrupting the flow of your show and the chat. This isn't the first time someone's acted like this and it won't be the last and you are tired of it.

How many of you NEVER go off on the guy before you lay down the ban hammer? What if you didn't have a ban hammer? I think more than half of us may snap and say something mean. Some may say something in extremely poor taste like he did. Crucifying him makes most of these people hypocrites in my opinion.

sweetiebatman said:
I'd love to see you move on from people in the street calling your disabled brother a "spastic" driving your mother to an early grave

Not so subtle when you and your family have been dealing with it for the best part of 26 years. There is NO subtle difference there is clearly a massive difference

I'll admit that's a tragedy. As for the rest of your post... so much I want to say and all of it will just make you more angry so let me just say this instead. I've had a decent share of tragedy in my family. I don't feel the need to get into details so if you'd be so good just trust me on that. I think I deal with it pretty well. I'm very sorry you won't "get to see" me move on from some sort of tragedy since it seems you would enjoy that thoroughly.

A final thought: I'm one of those premiums who actually has a profile. Under "Meaning of Life" I put the following. "To enjoy every moment you can and make the best of the moments you cannot." Tragedies such as what you describe are not moments you can enjoy. My idea of making the best of situations like yours would have me more focused on educating people of their ignorance. It's pretty easy for me to do because I am so emotionally reserved. Some people find that wooden planks have more personality than I do because of that but it also allows me to try and figure things out before I go with my knee jerk reaction. You went with the knee jerk and wound up freaking out over a misunderstanding of terminology (which you have since apologized to Frankie for) and before you had a chance to come back with that, I posted the first song the word Spastic brought to my mind because that's how my brain functions. You're still freaking out after gaining the knowledge that it was a misunderstanding.

tl;dr - If you're trying to make me feel bad or get an admission of guilt, good luck. I concede only that your family's situation regarding your brother was and continues to be a tragedy.
 
Nordling said:
After reading through the thread I picked up on something no one's really discussed except indirectly...

Is heckling always wrong? If I was in a club and someone made holocaust jokes, and from an obviously antisemitic point of view, yeah, I might stand up and tell the fuck he's a fuck. Comedy is not a sermon in church, and if your comedy is "edgy" or not thought out well...then the crowd has a right to bleep you with heckling.

Years ago, I saw Burt Lancaster on a talk show, he talked about having gone to the Opera in Rome. He said it's nothing like in other countries. He said that Italians bring boxes of fruit and vegetables with them and if the performance sucks, they start throwing. But he also said, that opera is never better anywhere else in the world.

So, I have to take each performance on its own merits. When a comic makes rape jokes or holocaust jokes or kindred...fuck him. Heckle away. If he were to have been smart, he'd probably have mumbled "er...sorry" or the like and moved on.

Heckling in itself is never wrong, many comedians love it to "bounce off" and ad lib, Heckling is a bit of an art form and those good at it will engage in a bit of banter with the comedian

Ranting on the other hand is piss poor.
 
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I used to think Tosh was pretty funny, and IF he had made an actual joke about rape during his set; while in poor taste, it may not have been as bad. That IS NOT what he did. He suggested it would be funny to witness a member of his audience get raped by five men.

Its not funny...ever...period.
 
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I get that he was being heckled and that bothered him so he decided to strike back. This is all totally acceptable behavior.

However, using rape as a punchline in a joke is just not funny and it really shouldn't be something that people deem acceptable and defend. It's such a sensitive topic and if it's happened to you, you'd understand how it can completely fuck your world up and any reminder of it, such as a joke in poor taste, can bring you right back to that moment and trigger all sorts of emotional breakdowns.

I have never watched this particular comedian and have never found snippets of things I've seen funny or particularly offensive, so I'm sure this was just a case of a guy who follows his script or whatever it's called and had no idea what to respond with to make a distracting heckler leave and stop being distracting. He just didn't really think it through beforehand and that probably really sucks for him.
 
Mirra said:
The_Brown_Fox said:
You're right...it's not okay. And neither is it okay for someone to come into my room and say "I hope you get raped by that White dick that you worship so much." Sure, you could argue that "two wrongs don't make a right" and tell me to "just ignore it, Fox," but if someone is attacking me like that, the last thing on my mind is what's "right." So you'll have to excuse me if I don't turn the other cheek, and launch into combat mode instead.

And it happens on cam sites (and sometimes forum threads) too...specifically when a model has a troll in her room making nasty comments. Attack her for no reason and piss her off, then you'd better be prepared for shit to get ugly prior to the banhammer.

People should just use common sense and better judgement before opening their mouths. It sure would make life a bit easier, I think.
Okay... am I the only one drawing parallels between how you say you'll treat a troll giving you shit in your room and how he treated the heckler at his show? I in no way mean to say that anyone should feel his comments are justified. I am merely saying it seems like a lot of you ladies should be able to relate.

He was on stage doing his theme for his comedy show and someone is being a real. This person is interrupting the flow of his show. This isn't the first time someone's acted like this and it won't be the last and he was tired of it.

You're doing your thing for your cam show and some guy is being a real tool. He's interrupting the flow of your show and the chat. This isn't the first time someone's acted like this and it won't be the last and you are tired of it.

How many of you NEVER go off on the guy before you lay down the ban hammer? What if you didn't have a ban hammer? I think more than half of us may snap and say something mean. Some may say something in extremely poor taste like he did. Crucifying him makes most of these people hypocrites in my opinion.

If there is a cam girl who has never fired back at a troll, I fucking bow down to her. I don't put much effort in now a days unless I'm feeling uppity, but honestly, this so much.

When I first read about this my first thought was "I'm always telling people if they don't like me, what I'm saying or how I run my room the best thing to do is to go to the next model". I leave it up to the watcher as to whether or not they will get verbally slapped upon saying something stupid or telling me "you're doin' it wrong". I may be doing it wrong, but it's my room, my business and my job. If you're only going to be a annoying to the people who ARE enjoying watching me, then I will make sure you know you fucked up and then get you out of my way so I can go on being my lovely self.
 
Mirra said:
The_Brown_Fox said:
You're right...it's not okay. And neither is it okay for someone to come into my room and say "I hope you get raped by that White dick that you worship so much." Sure, you could argue that "two wrongs don't make a right" and tell me to "just ignore it, Fox," but if someone is attacking me like that, the last thing on my mind is what's "right." So you'll have to excuse me if I don't turn the other cheek, and launch into combat mode instead.

And it happens on cam sites (and sometimes forum threads) too...specifically when a model has a troll in her room making nasty comments. Attack her for no reason and piss her off, then you'd better be prepared for shit to get ugly prior to the banhammer.

People should just use common sense and better judgement before opening their mouths. It sure would make life a bit easier, I think.
Okay... am I the only one drawing parallels between how you say you'll treat a troll giving you shit in your room and how he treated the heckler at his show? I in no way mean to say that anyone should feel his comments are justified. I am merely saying it seems like a lot of you ladies should be able to relate.

He was on stage doing his thing for his comedy show and someone is being a real tool. This person is interrupting the flow of his show. This isn't the first time someone's acted like this and it won't be the last and he was tired of it.

You're doing your thing for your cam show and some guy is being a real tool. He's interrupting the flow of your show and the chat. This isn't the first time someone's acted like this and it won't be the last and you are tired of it.

How many of you NEVER go off on the guy before you lay down the ban hammer? What if you didn't have a ban hammer? I think more than half of us may snap and say something mean. Some may say something in extremely poor taste like he did. Crucifying him makes most of these people hypocrites in my opinion.

sweetiebatman said:
I'd love to see you move on from people in the street calling your disabled brother a "spastic" driving your mother to an early grave

Not so subtle when you and your family have been dealing with it for the best part of 26 years. There is NO subtle difference there is clearly a massive difference

I'll admit that's a tragedy. As for the rest of your post... so much I want to say and all of it will just make you more angry so let me just say this instead. I've had a decent share of tragedy in my family. I don't feel the need to get into details so if you'd be so good just trust me on that. I think I deal with it pretty well. I'm very sorry you won't "get to see" me move on from some sort of tragedy since it seems you would enjoy that thoroughly.

A final thought: I'm one of those premiums who actually has a profile. Under "Meaning of Life" I put the following. "To enjoy every moment you can and make the best of the moments you cannot." Tragedies such as what you describe are not moments you can enjoy. My idea of making the best of situations like yours would have me more focused on educating people of their ignorance. It's pretty easy for me to do because I am so emotionally reserved. Some people find that wooden planks have more personality than I do because of that but it also allows me to try and figure things out before I go with my knee jerk reaction. You went with the knee jerk and wound up freaking out over a misunderstanding of terminology (which you have sense apologized to Frankie for) and before you had a chance to come back with that, I posted the first song the word Spastic brought to my mind because that's how my brain functions. You're still freaking out after gaining the knowledge that it was a misunderstanding.

tl;dr - If you're trying to make me feel bad or get an admission of guilt, good luck. I concede only that your family's situation regarding your brother was and continues to be a tragedy.

Mate the last thing i ever want is to "fall out with someone over the internet", as that is fucking lame

I admit i should have maybe taken your post in the same light as Frankies and apologise to you, I respect you as a poster on here as you make some great posts, just some words trigger me and i just type furiously!

The problem probably is that I cant become so unattached about my situation, my entire upbringing and subsequent death of my mother have clouded this somewhat" I dont apologise about that because thats who I am but I offer it as an explanation

My apologies
 
Can rape jokes be funny? No, not at all. I don't even find prison rape jokes to be funny.

I read the blog entry that Frankie left and if what Daniel said was word-for-word accurate, then that just makes me more angry and disturbed than what I was before.
“Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her…”

That's not funny. That's fucking horrifying.
 
nancy_raygun said:
Can rape jokes be funny? No, not at all. I don't even find prison rape jokes to be funny.

I read the blog entry that Frankie left and if what Daniel said was word-for-word accurate, then that just makes me more angry and disturbed than what I was before.
“Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her…”

That's not funny. That's fucking horrifying.

There are a couple different versions of what actually was said. The other is just as offensive.

That girl sounds like she has been raped by like, 5 guys.

He's an uncreative idiot when it comes to comedy and hecklers.
 
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FrankieChemical said:
nancy_raygun said:
Can rape jokes be funny? No, not at all. I don't even find prison rape jokes to be funny.

I read the blog entry that Frankie left and if what Daniel said was word-for-word accurate, then that just makes me more angry and disturbed than what I was before.
“Wouldn’t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her…”

That's not funny. That's fucking horrifying.

There are a couple different versions of what actually was said. The other is just as offensive.

That girl sounds like she has been raped by like, 5 guys.

He's an uncreative idiot when it comes to comedy and hecklers.


The second one is what I had read from an article via buzzfeed. I'm still wondering what made him think that was a good idea. I think what's really bad (from what I have read) is that:

- someone suggested it when he asked about topics
- The audience laughed when he made his 'joke'


I do agree that he's an uncreative idiot, hence why his show is basically a highlight for stupid/shocking/slap stick youtube videos.
 
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