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This is actually my most hated tactic. I've had guys come in my room and say they've talked to me on skype, or that they've added me on some dating app I'm not part of, and expect me to know who the hell they are. This is super tacky and honestly borderline gaslighting towards the dudes that thought they would have a chance with the actual girl. Every time a guy comes in all ready to talk steamy because he's been catfished by an affiliate with an image of mine, I get annoyed, and then I usually feel really bad for the guy. He's been talking to a lie. You are, effectively, lying to people to get business. That's a terrible way to start as a cammodel.
 
There are obviously alot of tricks and creativity in between there that make it successful but that's how I make money so sharing it publically isn't a good idea.

And in the spirit of this comment, I think that sharing, opinions, and experiences that I've personally had is completely quenched. The questions that you're asking lead me to two separate thoughts.

1. You're here to gather information, but fail to share in turn.
2. You're here to sell and market yourself and/or your personal brand of "success" to the rest of us lowly souls.

In either case, perception is reality. Think about how many people have already questioned your post. I'm aware that sometimes people operate under a herd mentality, but in this case....you're getting it both from the cam model and member perspective. Methinks it's time you rethink the manner and/or guise in which you post here.
 
You're missing the whole point of the "alternate revenue sources" I brought up in the OP. Building a follower base can decrease the quality of converting for one offer yes. But since the guys are already genuinely interested in your profile you can convert them through alternate ways. (CPA/products/services/influencer promotion). You remember when I mentioned in the OP scaling so that camming isn't your only means of making money? That's the answer to your post.


Mmm yeah no. Having had plenty of dudes wander into my cam room after having these tactics used on them, I can guarantee that they are not interested in coughing up money for anything I have to offer. They're pissed at me, because, in their eyes, "I" deceived them on whatever site they happened to encounter "me" on.
 
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The reason that you're having a bad time here is that it sounds like your promotion tactics are exactly like the ones that a lot of us hate affiliates using our images for. As lots of affiliates already do this, most of us have had the experience of guys coming into our places of work stating that they've had lusty conversations with us before, when in actuality they've been speaking to a big ol catfish. I understand that your situation is slightly different because you have the model's permission to use her image in this way. But in most of our experiences, it is just annoying to have to deal with the repercussions of exactly this sort of bait-and-switch. I get enough guys coming in and asking how they can meet me, without actually listing a profile on a dating app or site. I'm good on that. It's super counterproductive to making money, which is what we are all here to do.

Good luck with that though.
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How I market online is just having a conversation with guys who are interested giving them my models snapchat and then selling premium snap access and cam times through her snaps. There are obviously alot of tricks and creativity in between there that make it successful but that's how I make money so sharing it publically isn't a good idea.
Models can sell their snapchat on their own without giving you a cut.
 
And to the lead them on thing, like I've said before and you may have experienced on a dating app personally these guys and girls are horny lol. If you start a conversation with them and you are attractive they will be extremely interested in you. We don't initiate any flirtation.
Is your name really Donald Trump?
 
And in the spirit of this comment, I think that sharing, opinions, and experiences that I've personally had is completely quenched. The questions that you're asking lead me to two separate thoughts.

1. You're here to gather information, but fail to share in turn.
2. You're here to sell and market yourself and/or your personal brand of "success" to the rest of us lowly souls.

In either case, perception is reality. Think about how many people have already questioned your post. I'm aware that sometimes people operate under a herd mentality, but in this case....you're getting it both from the cam model and member perspective. Methinks it's time you rethink the manner and/or guise in which you post here.
Sounds like "Trump University". :haha:
 
Sigh, its not just as easy as saying "use social media" lol. If you read anything in the OP, what I point to is with social media you have the ability to distinguish yourself more than with the cam sites, if you are creative with it. There are analytical tools and such out there that can help you narrow down and target the right people, as well as social advertisement options that aren't talked about on here, and even information on branding. I thought that would be a good topic of conversation to bring to the forum, but apparently its not lol.

I really really really love conversations about marketing and branding - I think it is absolutely fascinating. But this paragraph in particular left a really bad taste in my mouth. We are cam-models here. Which means we are all free-lance business owners, and our personas are our brand. While some models prefer to work as a hobby and others treat their work as a full-time empire.... This post came across as a bit condescending. It is filled with the assumption that we don't know how to "use social media" creatively, or how to target our audience.

We work on the internet. We sell on the internet. Some of us practically LIVE on the internet. So it is always a little bit... unpleasant when a civilian person comes in, looking to make money off of our work, not sounding as if they know what they are doing, while also implying that we don't know what we are doing either. Your post came across as if models need to pay someone a cut of their profits in order to cat-fish potential clients. While that tactic might work for some models, I don't think a majority will find it useful. It's off-putting, and I think it's a terrible way to begin a model's brand. Your brand is your reputation. What good is money if your reputation is shit and most of your clients think you are a scam artist? I'd rather have my money AND my reputation.

Having cat-fishing as your primary sales-marketing strategy?

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This is also a great example of why I don't let anyone else market for me - except me. I have personally known several models who allowed non-industry people to represent them - and now their reputation is absolutely FUCKED. I would rather learn the skills myself, and be in complete control of my own marketing. That way, if it it goes south, I only have myself to blame.

I agree, social media marketing and branding can be such a fun conversation, and I'd definitely love to see one outside of MO. However, in that case, it might be better to have an actual conversation. Talk about your marketing tactics - and ask about others' experiences. Ask about the challenges they have faced with marketing, the things that have worked best for us. Make it a dialogue, not a low-key sales pitch. Don't assume that we models don't know how to market ourselves or that we don't know how to properly use marketing tools. Especially while throwing around marketing strategies that have the potential to damage a model's reputation, or at least prove to be a giant headache for the models involved. We love sharing knowledge and information here on the boards - and we exchange strategies all of the time. But that's also why models won't hesitate to tell you when something is not a long-term good idea. Which, unfortunately, happens a lot when civilians try to come in for a slice of that "quick and easy sex-work money" pie.
 
I'm actually interested in this what you said in the second paragraph? What part of the business model do in the camming industry would you consider the part that requires luck?

Camming in general has an element of luck. Two similar models can start at the same time. Same image, same camming style, same amount of hard work. One can have instant success, one can struggle.

Same thing with any industry, really. Look at YouTube. Some people work very hard promoting their channel, creating high quality content, but never get noticed. And thats WITH more popular people promoting them.

Since you are so new, it's hard to say whether your success is just luck, maybe it's short lived success, or maybe you do have an effective strategy that will work long term for many models. Buuut I have a feeling an army of angry horny guys is not the best investment.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else wanna find the model he's supposedly working with and rescue her from this weird internet pimping unsuccessfully situation?....
 
Sigh, its not just as easy as saying "use social media" lol. If you read anything in the OP, what I point to is with social media you have the ability to distinguish yourself more than with the cam sites, if you are creative with it. There are analytical tools and such out there that can help you narrow down and target the right people, as well as social advertisement options that aren't talked about on here, and even information on branding. I thought that would be a good topic of conversation to bring to the forum, but apparently its not lol.
I couldn't read the OP, I'm colourblind.

But for real, analytics?! Whoa. What fresh information. Next you're gonna tell us there's a way to optimize search engines...
 
This is actually my most hated tactic. I've had guys come in my room and say they've talked to me on skype, or that they've added me on some dating app I'm not part of, and expect me to know who the hell they are. This is super tacky and honestly borderline gaslighting towards the dudes that thought they would have a chance with the actual girl. Every time a guy comes in all ready to talk steamy because he's been catfished by an affiliate with an image of mine, I get annoyed, and then I usually feel really bad for the guy. He's been talking to a lie. You are, effectively, lying to people to get business. That's a terrible way to start as a cammodel.
Those fake adult dating sites are not SM affiliates. Those websites also use images of MFC models. http://www.datingbusters.com/shagcity-co-uk-has-a-long-list-of-scams-all-exposed-in-this-review/
 
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I really really really love conversations about marketing and branding - I think it is absolutely fascinating. But this paragraph in particular left a really bad taste in my mouth. We are cam-models here. Which means we are all free-lance business owners, and our personas are our brand. While some models prefer to work as a hobby and others treat their work as a full-time empire.... This post came across as a bit condescending. It is filled with the assumption that we don't know how to "use social media" creatively, or how to target our audience.

We work on the internet. We sell on the internet. Some of us practically LIVE on the internet. So it is always a little bit... unpleasant when a civilian person comes in, looking to make money off of our work, not sounding as if they know what they are doing, while also implying that we don't know what we are doing either. Your post came across as if models need to pay someone a cut of their profits in order to cat-fish potential clients. While that tactic might work for some models, I don't think a majority will find it useful. It's off-putting, and I think it's a terrible way to begin a model's brand. Your brand is your reputation. What good is money if your reputation is shit and most of your clients think you are a scam artist? I'd rather have my money AND my reputation.

Having cat-fishing as your primary sales-marketing strategy?

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This is also a great example of why I don't let anyone else market for me - except me. I have personally known several models who allowed non-industry people to represent them - and now their reputation is absolutely FUCKED. I would rather learn the skills myself, and be in complete control of my own marketing. That way, if it it goes south, I only have myself to blame.

I agree, social media marketing and branding can be such a fun conversation, and I'd definitely love to see one outside of MO. However, in that case, it might be better to have an actual conversation. Talk about your marketing tactics - and ask about others' experiences. Ask about the challenges they have faced with marketing, the things that have worked best for us. Make it a dialogue, not a low-key sales pitch. Don't assume that we models don't know how to market ourselves or that we don't know how to properly use marketing tools. Especially while throwing around marketing strategies that have the potential to damage a model's reputation, or at least prove to be a giant headache for the models involved. We love sharing knowledge and information here on the boards - and we exchange strategies all of the time. But that's also why models won't hesitate to tell you when something is not a long-term good idea. Which, unfortunately, happens a lot when civilians try to come in for a slice of that "quick and easy sex-work money" pie.
It seems to me (as a member) that you establish your "brand" with your personality and how you run your room. Your followers are drawn to you and your use of "social media". As your followers retweet, etc. your media it gets you exposure to people that probably have the same interests as they do, and as well, to you.
 
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In short, with our setup my model is getting a lot of exposure through snapchat (thousands of views/day), and grabbing customers through there.


For example something like having your profile advertised on the front page of the biggest porn sites that get hundreds of thousands of views per day, or shouted out on a big sex related instagram page with 400K+ followers would you personally take that route to gain more customers and make more money? Or would you be more comfortable staying within the realms of something like chaturbate where the individual exposure is more limited because of competition & saturation?


Basically would you be willing to put your caming life out there to a hell of a lot more people and make more money doing it, or do you think personally you like just being on sites like chaturbate, and only being exposed to those who seek out the specific purpose of caming on those specific sites?

Whew, okay. So I haven't read any of the responses yet but thought I'd tackle a couple here.

-Most models ALREADY use snapchat and get thousands of views/day, do snapchat takeovers on different accounts and brand themselves. This is already a source that is widely used.

-Considering that Pornhub has a whitelabel for Streamate, a lot of models already do have their profile promoted on the biggest porn sites that get millions of views a day. If they aren't on Streamate, they can always create their pornhub model account and promote from there which not only gets exposure to their 64 million views a day but it also pays out on the ad revenue. Yet again, this is already a source that is widely used by models.

-Instagram is another one where the biggest porn sites already have 400K+ followers and already shout out models. I was just posted on Pornhubs instagram yesterday (they have 2.3 million followers) Myfreecams and Camsoda both have 500K+, also there are plenty of brand ambassadors who are cam models across Instagram, lots of adult toy shops, clothing lines, head shops reach out and send SWAG and give percentages of sales and coupon codes... so... at the risk of sounding like a broken record this is already a source that is widely used by models.

Networking through social media to broaden fanbase is a HUGE part of the industry. If you and your models don't realize this and think that what you're doing is something that no other model has done before, then you are very naive and are behind the times, to be frank.

The way the OP is worded comes across as this revolutionary idea of using social media to brand and cross industries, when a majority of us already do this. Camming isn't some dark corner industry that isn't able to branch out into other areas, it comes down to what the end goal for the cam model is. There are some who like to log on, protect their anonymity and make bank and others who brand on a wider scale. Just because not every model does it doesn't mean it isn't already one of the most prevalent parts of our job.
 
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